 Robyn Gwilt |
In-Camera Sharpening I'm sure its been asked before, and I tried to looking at the previous questions, but there are soooooo many! Can anyone advise if I should try to sharpen "in camera" - Canon EOS 350D - Do I go into my parameters and up something, or just stick with PS - I'd really like to reduce some of the time spent in PS. Thanks.
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Bob Chance |
Robyn: From all accounts that I have read, most people prefer using the "unsharp mask" in PS, or whatever photo editing program you're using. Although the "in-camera" sharpening parameter works, in so doing, it creates little doughnuts or halos that most photographers dislike. If you shoot Raw, you could also use the Digital Photo Professional program provided with your camera. It uses a more complex algarithm than the one in the camera. As a starting point, if using the 'unsharp mask', try setting the percentage to 50%, the threshold to zero and the radius to about 1.5 - 2.0.
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Kay Beausoleil |
Robyn, if you sharpen in-camera, you can't change your mind later and make the image less sharp. Sharpening is a science and an art, and it takes practice, yes, but eventually you'll find it less time-consuming in PS.
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Paul Tobeck |
Sharpening is more art than science, and to leave it to the camera is not a good idea, unless you're just taking snapshots. Different subjects require different sharpening techniques. I use a lot more sharpening on a landscape or flower photo than I do on a portrait, for example. Ask 50 photographers about sharpening, and you'll get 150 different techniques. I have all my regular sharpening routines set up as actions in Photoshop, which saves a lot of time. A great place to start is Dr. Glen Mitchell's .pdf tutorial on sharpening, which can be found here: http://www.thelightsrightstudio.com/tutorials-pdf.htm Look for "Putting a fine edge on your sharpening technique" and download the .pdf file. He also has some great free sharpening actions you may find usefull. Hope this helps - have fun and keep shooting.
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Robyn Gwilt |
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Peg |
Robyn, My understanding with the 350D is that your camera will do some sharpening automatically if you shoot in jpeg. The only way you can negate in-camera sharpening completely is to shoot in RAW. Stock Photography sites, like alamy.com, demand that you turn off in-camera sharpening before submitting photos for sale. They said their clients prefer to get the RAW image and sharpen it as they wish. I guess the question is: Do YOU want to make the decision on sharpening or do you want the camera to make the decision. Shooting in RAW affords you the chance to do all the post-processing. I hope this helps. Peg
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Robyn Gwilt |
Thanks Peg - I guess I have to get some more memory cards, and start attacking RAW!! I guess in the long run, I want to make the decision, so I suppose I answered my own question :) Thanks for all your contributions
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Peg |
Hi again, I have the 350D also and have been trying to shoot more in RAW. My files are now about 6 mB in size versus 3 mB when I shot in the largest jpeg. So I just sprang for a new OWC external hard drive to handle them all. I also keep a 1 gig card in my camera all the time and I love it. Good luck to you, Peg
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Jerry Frazier |
No, never. It seems quicker. but, the best results are to turn all that in-camera stuff all the way down, i.e., sharpening and contrast, and do that on the computer. The in-camera software isn't all that good and binds you in a situation where you don't want to be bound. For instance, in the sun. Sun bouncing off skin can look horrible. If you just turn you contrast and sharpening down, you can shoot and not worry about blow out. Then you can adjust later in PS. Of course, if you shot RAW, that wouldn't be an issue. And, RAW processing is faster than JPEG.
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Robyn Gwilt |
Thanks again. How far down do you suggest turning the contrast and sharpening? One or two notches, or just level it on about .....O..... the zero? I sometimes have no option but to shoot at midday, and our sun is very very harsh, so even dappled shade can present a problem. Are you saying even this can be sorted out in RAW?
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Craig m. Zacarelli |
Hi Robyn... lol to much sun huh? thats what you get for living in Paradise...lol Just kidding. You can raise the sharpening in cam by adjusting it. It will only work in JPEG mode though. If you need specifics, look in the manual and if you dont have one, im sure theres one on line in PDF format you can download for free. I have been shooting JPEG large/fine in my 30D because PS hasnt come out with the RAW converter yet.. well I thinnk they just did but I keep forgetting to down load it..lol Anyhow, I think im likeing it.. allot! first reason, It makes me think more about the shot, if it can be done, will it look good, will it be over or under exposed..blahh blahh blahh! secondly, it saves a boat load of time during editing.. and thirdly, I was never really good at sharpening..i allways went over board! So now I just save the original as a TIFF and run with it. I figure..I paid $1,400.00 for this freakin camera..its gonna do some of the work damnit! lol. I am loving it! Craig-
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Pete H |
"... as I think it might offer me the 'action' which I can apply to more than 1 pic." ++++++++++++++++++ Robyn, It will be even more time consuming when you get into masking and selective sharpening. You didn't think post processing was easy did you? LOL All the best, Pete
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Robyn Gwilt |
Hah, paradise Craig?? Its freaking 5deg here in the morning, and we're freezing our butts off (ok, it warms up to about 20deg in Joburg during the day, but the light is still very harsh!) I paid that for my 350D - the exchange rate, import duties, taxes etc are VERY harsh here!!! Glad you're enjoying the 30D - thanks also Pete, yeah I guess I was looking for an easy way out...:( Back to the screen I guess. I've done a bit of selective sharpening, but not really the masking - I'm too bladdy tired at night after all the editing, to read the manual, but all you guys at BP have been fantastic insofar as quick tips etc. Thanks :)
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Jerry Frazier |
When I shoot jpeg, I turn down contrast and sharpening all the way over to the left side. I don't want any contrast or sharpening. Try it out. You get a much nicer result, in the end.
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Robyn Gwilt |
Joe, do you just select like Parameter 2, and make that your 'setting' - sorry, don't know how else to explain it?!I've just been shooting my daughter at dancing, and tried a bit of RAW, but its time for bed, and I'll have to check it out tomorrow (sometime between editing the new wedding pix, dancing, and leaving for a weekend away - for a dance competition! The joys of teenage girls :)
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Jerry Frazier |
If you shoot RAW, it doesn't dmatter what your setting are. If you shoot JPEG, there are some custom settings, turn the contrast and sharpening all the way down.
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- Darren J. Gilcher Contact Darren J. Gilcher Darren J. Gilcher's Gallery |
Joe, how and why do you get nicer results with the contrast and sharpening turned down. My 20D has them one notch to the right as the default setting.
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Slim Brady |
I don't have time to read this whole thread so hear it is. Leave your menu alone! Shoot raw and then sharpen will be the last thing you do. TIP - use the multi vitamin action, it does everything you need.
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