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Photography Question 
Kim Moyle

member since: 7/13/2004
  51 .  RGB vs. CMYK
So why is it than when you send images for professional printing, sometimes they want CMYK and sometimes RGBAnd Also if CMYK is mostly the norm for printing, why do pro cameras still default to RGB and not CMYK?

1/13/2005 1:15:23 PM

Ann Hall

member since: 1/14/2005
  Are you sure they aren't accepting RGB and then charging extra to convert it to CMYK? That's frequently the case. I'd ask.
As to why RGB instead of CMYK: RGB is for screen display, and many people prefer to work in RGB on the computer then convert to CMYK for printing. RGB also offers some advantages when working with various color and image manipulation tools (once the image work is done, then it would be converted to CMYK for printing).
Generally, you get better results going from RGB to CMYK than the other way around, so having the image in RGB initially is more versatile. That is, you can get good results converting to CMYK for print, but if you need to use the image online or for on-screen presentations it's already in RGB.

1/14/2005 2:17:31 AM

doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  Are we talking the sRGB of Internet posting, or the Adobe 98 RGB that many contemporary scanners scan into? Do both convert equally well to CMYK? As I understand (or fail to), CMYK is a narrower gamut than Adobe RGB. Is CMYK even narrower than sRGB?

1/14/2005 7:44:27 AM

Vince Broesch

member since: 6/5/2004
  People see RGB, so cameras see RGB. Photo printers print using RGB. All colors can be seen/printed in RGB in theory. Where K (black) comes in is where the press, or other printer, has a problem getting a good black due to CMY inks that are not perfectly pure. So a black ink is added. Having a black ink gives the press a simple way to print a rich black, and also prevents over-saturation of the paper that would occur if you layed down 100 percent CMY. It's called gray scale replacement, where a black ink replaces equal amounts of CMY ink. The gamut of offset press CMYK does not print as many colors as RGB, especially greens, so it is best to edit in RGB, then convert to CMYK for separations for press.
Just some technical junk, but it's all about the output end, the printer. The camera is RGB like people. I hope this makes some sence.

Vince
www.PhotoAgo.com

1/14/2005 5:44:07 PM

Roy Blinston
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/4/2005
  The reason graphic designers and printers sometimes ask for your image to be sent in RGB or CMYK is this. When an image is converted from RGB to CMYK it goes through certain algorythms of conversion (in preparation for separating into printing CMYK plates). During this process the colour will change. Only a certain range of colours can be printed with CMYK (because they are inks not beams of light as in RGB). If you send an image in RGB to a Designer or Printer, this image may look very bright and vibrant on your monitor. The end result after printing could be disappointing (and hence you may get into arguments). If the designer/printer asks you to convert it to CMYK (so you can see the change in colour) this is maybe safer (for him). But many people don't know how to do this and do not have the ability to "edit" the picture to get the best results in CMYK. Hence more time is wasted discussing it and giving lessons over the phone about a very technical area. If you output an RGB file to a desktop printer it automatically converts the file on the fly into CMYK in the background without your awareness. There is no such thing as RGB inks. I am a Graphic Designer and always ask clients to send in RGB to save time. Also, if the pic is converted to CMYK but saved as a JPEG - this will not "display" properly inside email packages and hence it will appear damaged (causing more problems with time). Hope this helps.

1/18/2005 10:38:06 PM

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Photography Question 


member since: 12/24/2004
  52 .  White vs. Black Matting on Black and White Photos?
Hi! I am just curious about other people's preferences on using white or black matting with black and white photos. What do you prefer?

1/5/2005 4:06:48 PM

Mellanie 

member since: 7/16/2004
  I really think it depends on the photo. Well, for me it does. I know that doesn't really answer your question, but ...
Usually, I go with white.

1/5/2005 6:32:07 PM

Shauna Linde
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/10/2004
  I've never really compared the two side by side - but when I was in school we always did black matting so that's what I prefer. I think in the long term it may not get as discolored as white can from smoke or age, etc., although that probably has to do with the quality of the paper. Mellanie has a good point - hold the picture in question up to both colors and see which one seems to fit better.

1/5/2005 6:38:45 PM

Beverley Merson

member since: 10/30/2004
  Here are three thoughts re your question.

White matts can discolour, but black matts can and do fade especially if they are ever in direct sunlight.

I have always found that black matting constricts the eye and may crowd (or focus)the picture while white matts lets the picture breathe.

The balence of white and black tones in the picture may also be a determining factor.

Do you want the white/black matt to create a contrast or a compliment (compliment as in blend with) to the picture.

Hope this has given you more to think about.

1/10/2005 8:38:39 PM

Rhonda 

member since: 7/15/2004
  Hi,
have you looked at white matting with black core (when they do the cut-out, it is black around the edge). This looks great and adds depth to the image. You can also purchase in black with white core too I believe.

Rhonda

1/10/2005 10:07:25 PM

John Sandstedt
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/8/2001
  If you're into competition, remember that many judges are extremely partial to white matting. That is, they'll downgrade score for any colored mat other than white! This goes for color or B&W prints.

As to which you should use, it really depends on your personal choice [or that of a client] and the image your matting.

As I'm in the proces of filling the walls of a relative's home, I've inserted images into PowerPoint Slides to allow white anf black matting effects to be compared. In some respects, this is better than using the actual matboard "angles."

John

1/12/2005 7:54:37 AM



member since: 12/24/2004
  Thank you to all for your responses. It's certainly given me a lot to think about.

Thank you!

~M

1/12/2005 8:22:16 AM

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Photography Question 
Sobia Chishti
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/13/2002
  53 .  Good Place for Digital Prints
I am looking for some excellent online company to print my digital images - especially black and white. I will appreciate your recommendations. Thanks and happy new year to all.

1/1/2005 7:23:04 PM

  Sobia,
Check out the info in this thread:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=13348

It includes mention of some labs.
Regards,
Peter Burian

1/2/2005 5:49:06 AM

Dianna S. Kujawski
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/25/2007
  ofoto.com and snapfish.com are a couple of good places that I use for online prints.

1/4/2005 12:00:27 PM

Karolyn Munson
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/30/2004
  Sobia -
I have been using Shutterfly (www.shutterfly.com) and have been VERY pleased with the results. The prints I have gotten back are excellent - very good quality. There's no way to tell they are digital prints. I've even blown some up to 16x20 size and had great results. I highly recommend it. I've also had B&W's and sepia tones printed and thought they were great.
Kary Walter

1/4/2005 12:00:49 PM

  Sobia,
Well I aleady see that someone has recommended SHUTTERFLY.COM
I also have had outstanding results. Resonable pricing.

1/4/2005 1:39:06 PM

Bob in Pensacola

member since: 9/19/2003
  I just made the switch to digital about 6 months ago and was turned on to a company that is great for digital prints. Low, low pricing and very good work. I would recommend this company to everyone. They will do it all!
www.totalimage.com
Good Luck!
Scott Caristi

1/4/2005 1:59:04 PM

Sobia Chishti
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/13/2002
  Thanks all of you for your help. I'll go to all wbsites everyone has recommended. Thanks again.

1/4/2005 7:46:40 PM

Dale Ann Cubbage
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/4/2004
  Sobia, I would like to recommend whcc.com. White House Custom Colour, they are a professional online lab that only does digital work! They are excellent and affordable! You should check them out!

da

1/4/2005 8:49:50 PM

Ralph Velasco
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/27/2004
  I've done alot of research on this subject and tested alot of different online companies because I had to get about 20 prints made recently. The one I've found to be the best is Mpix.com (and I'm not at all affiliated with them). Their shipping is high per print ($4.95) but if you order several prints the price per print comes down. Also, their drymounting is superb and inexpensive compared to the others I've looked at.

1/5/2005 8:00:30 AM

Mellanie 

member since: 7/16/2004
  I have also heard that Mpix.com is very good. Might be something to check out.

1/5/2005 7:05:57 PM

Sobia Chishti
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/13/2002
  Dale, Ralph and Mellanie, thanks for your response and help.

1/6/2005 9:29:15 AM

Craig 

member since: 7/15/2004
  Check out www.righttouchphotolab.com They are an excellent lab that will go out of their way to meet your needs. Their prices are some of the best for the high qaulity that they offer. They are currently reformating their website, so if you have problems accessing it over the next few weeks, you may need to contact them via phone toll free (866)638-5880

1/7/2005 7:46:28 AM

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Photography Question 
Sharon Barberee

member since: 4/15/2004
  54 .  Help with Printer Settings
Help Guys and Gals ... I just purchased the Epson R300 printer. Its print quality is outstanding. Here is my problem: I cannot figure out how to set the Portrait vs. Landscape setting so my photos come out correct. I have tried changing the setting itself by the preferences, also changed the size of print, but they still don't come out right. Landscapes are coming out like portraits!!

1/1/2005 11:25:44 AM

  Sharon,
Try this: FILE ... PRINT ... Select PREFERENCES ... then, select PAPER. Under Orientation, select Portrait or Landscape.
Regards, Peter Burian

1/2/2005 6:01:16 AM

Laura Berman
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/23/2004
  Sharon,
Peter's answer may be for Windows users because I didn't recognize it as the way I select orientation. I'm a Mac user and this is what I do: In your photo program (PhotoShop, Elements, etc.) you have to select the orientation as follows: File>Page Setup. Once there, you click on a button in either the landscape or portrait orientation.

Hope this helps,
Laura

1/6/2005 8:03:30 AM

  Yes, my comments were based on a Windows based computer.

Peter

1/6/2005 8:08:05 AM

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Photography Question 
Herculano 

member since: 11/26/2001
  55 .  Borderless Prints
Hello,
I am still shooting in film but now have a Canon Lide80 scanner, Photoshop Elements 2.0, and Epson r200 printer. I am trying to print borderless 4x6 photos but always get a border. Is it the scanner, the software, or the printer? I think I have chosen all options to get borderless but to no avail.
Thank you for any input you may have! Thanks again!

1/1/2005 6:53:49 AM

  Herculano,
It's not the scanner or your software. Not all printers can make borderless prints, but the Epson R200 can.

BorderFree™ printing in popular frame-ready sizes: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=37368464

Try this: FILE ... PRINT ... PREFERENCES ... PAPER. Then select NO MARGINS or whatever similar option your printer software provides.
Regards, Peter Burian

1/1/2005 8:54:57 AM

Karma Wilson
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2004
  Hi! My canon I860 produces very nice borderless prints and great color. It wasn't too expensive either.

Karma

1/4/2005 10:52:25 AM

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Photography Question 
John Sandstedt
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/8/2001
  56 .  After-Market Ink
I remain an advocate of the manufacturer's product line - but does anyone have any thoughts on using after-market ink suppliers for inkjet printers?

12/28/2004 12:35:29 PM

Vince Broesch

member since: 6/5/2004
  For stuff that does not need to last, I have been using the ink from PrintPal.com. I've been using it for two years and I see no difference from the Epson ink. Of course, for prints that I sell, I use the genuine Epson material. I have two printers, so if I'm just printing a letter or something like that, I send it to the printer with cheap ink/paper.
Vince
www.PhotoAgo.com

12/28/2004 3:06:22 PM

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Photography Question 
Wayne Redden

member since: 10/9/2001
  57 .  Lifespan of Prints
What is the expected lifespan of prints made at home from a digital camera? I have some black and white prints made in 1960 from a 35mm camera and they still look new. Will the ink used last that long?

12/26/2004 7:06:59 AM

Vince Broesch

member since: 6/5/2004
  It depends on the ink and paper that you use. You can check with the manufacturer of your printer/ink/paper. I use the best Epson pigmented inks, and Epson says they will not fade for 75 years. Of course, it all depends on exposure too ... my 1977 Corvette has faded paint on it; of course, it gets a lot of sunlight that a photo probably would not get, so storage is always a factor. But if you use the best paper and pigmented inks, I would say you are as good as real photographic paper, 75 to 100 years without much fading if stored out of sunlight.
Vince
www.PhotoAgo.com

12/26/2004 5:33:21 PM

Coleen M.

member since: 5/25/2004
  Try the Wilhelm Imaging Research, Inc. Quoting from the Web site: "... conducts research on the stability and preservation of traditional and digital color photographs and motion pictures. The company publishes brand name-specific permanence data for desktop and large-format inkjet printers and other digital printing devices". This is a great resource.

12/30/2004 9:17:14 AM

  Here is where you can find info on the permanence of prints made with specific printers on specific 4x6 size papers.
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/4x6/4x6_permanence_preview.html

The site also has other info, on other printers and papers, such as http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/R800.html

You kind of have to search around for links to such data sheets at http://www.wilhelm-research.com

The bottom line is that some prints are extremely lightfast (e.g., 100 year on-display life), while others will fade quickly. Depends on the exact printer and paper combination.

BTW, re: Old prints made many years ago using conventional printing and papers: Old color prints fade much faster than old black-and-white prints.
Cheers!
Peter Burian

12/31/2004 9:42:30 AM

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Photography Question 
Seth 

member since: 3/18/2004
  58 .  Tops of Photos Getting Cut Off
Hi all,
I've been noticing lately that the tops of my digital pics are getting cut off when I have the photos printed. When I asked the man at Ritz why this was happening, he explained that digital cameras save photos in more of a square shape, so when you try to print a 4x6, the top (or bottom) will get cut off. My questions:

1) Is this true?
2) I'm thinking of getting the Digital Rebel ... will the same thing happen with a Digital SLR??
Thanks!

10/3/2004 11:38:55 AM

Naomi Williams

member since: 7/10/2001
  It may be that the photos are being stretched to fit the frame.
Digital camera photos are not the same shape as those of a 35mm camera (because the ccd is a different shape), but you should still be able to get them printed without the heads being cut off, though.

10/3/2004 10:24:56 PM

Jon Close
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/18/2000
  Most digi-cameras have sensors in 4:3 format, which exactly matches traditional TVs and computer monitors. Enlarged, a full-frame print is 4.5" x 6", so that to get a 4x6 print, 1/2" is cropped off.
35mm film and digital SLRs like the Digital Rebel record images in 3:2 format, which give 4x6 prints without cropping. On the other hand, this format has considerable cropping in 8x10 images - 2" cropped from a full-frame 8" x 12", where the 4:3 format loses only 2/3" from the full-frame 8" x 10.66".

10/4/2004 8:26:26 AM

Scott Pedersen

member since: 11/18/2001
  When I upload to york the digital prints are 4 X 5.3 or 5.6 something like that. They are not 4 X6 and I am givin that choice at the time I do my order. The digital format is different than a standard 35 mm soThey are not cropping off anything. I did understand this was something photofinishers were going to for digital so maybe Ritz hasent caught on yet.

10/5/2004 3:50:52 AM

  I crop my images in Photoshop (either on my camera card or a CD) before taking them to the developer. This way I can be sure they are being cropped to suit me.

10/5/2004 6:16:34 AM

Gail Cimino

member since: 2/19/2003
  You should check your camera manual, you may have the option to change this yourself. I have a Kodak EasyShare DX6490, and I can set either 4:3 or 3:2. I have been using 4:3 and trying to train myself not to crop too tightly in the camera, so that in Photoshop I can crop for any size print I want.

10/5/2004 11:01:10 AM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  At the kiosk select the proper size for digital, approx 4" x 5" or ask for full frame pictures.

10/5/2004 11:55:29 AM

Lorraine Jones
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/10/2004
  The first time I had my prints from my Sony Mavica printed, most of my prints were cut off at the top. I was horrified. The photo lab explained to me about digital format, etc. After that, before I get my photos printed, I go into Photoshop, create a new canvas(4x6, etc.)and drag my original photo over to the new canvas, then I do a free transform to fit the image in the canvas. With the Mavica, I noticed that when I resize, I get a lot of cropping, but with my new Canon Rebel, it's just perfect. My photos would fit in a 4x6 with virtually no cropping. This actually kind of surprised me after my experience with the Mavica. I guess the 3:2 format (as Jon mentioned above) explains it. I also agree with Jon about cropping in 8x10 prints.

10/5/2004 6:32:05 PM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  It's not the problem with digital cameras and their size of prints. You're not going to a lab who has the new equipment to make the correct digital size prints. 4x5 to 4x5.5. Therefore, like I said, you must tell the lab to make full frame prints, no cropping.

Hmmmm...Ena, I'm not familier with the Rebel Digital. Is it actually exposing a 35mm format 4x6 proportional image?
Is your monitor proportional to 4x6 size or just about square in size?
If you look at your 'square' monitor and the 4x6, do you see everything in the 4x6 print(top and bottom) that you see in the monitor?
Or are you stretching out the image to 6"?

So, if I have a Rebel and look thru the 'square' monitor and make the exposure
then it will do one of three things, if I understand correctly.
1. It will add to the 6" sides that I will not see in the monitor, or
2. It will automatically crop the top and bottom out, or
3. It will stretch out the sides to 6" making people fatter.

Digital format is basically the same as a 645 medium format. You're going to get a 4x5 size print., etc.

Therefore, the only 35mm digital format cameras are the Canon 1DS and Kodak DCS.

10/5/2004 10:31:01 PM

Jon Close
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/18/2000
  >>"Therefore, the only 35mm digital format cameras are the Canon 1DS and Kodak DCS."<<

This is not true. The 1DS and Kodak DCS Pro series are the only ones with a digital sensor that is the same dimensions as the 24mm x 36mm film frame of 35mm film. But all of the interchangable lens digital SLRs by Canon (Digital Rebel, D30, D60, 10D, 20D, 1D, 1D mk II, 1Ds, 1Ds mk II), Nikon (D70, D100, D1_, D2_), Fuji (S2 Pro, S3 Pro), Kodak (DCS series), and Pentax (*istD) use the same 3:2 format as 35mm film. The Olympus DSLRs use 4:3.

10/6/2004 6:16:50 AM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  Thank you John for correcting me. I have only a Canon A75(non SLR) digital. I have used a Rebel and it didn't appear that the monitor size was 3:2 ratio. So of course my assumptions. Is that so with other digital SLR's monitors?

My thoughts of course were based on full frame 35mm because of my architectural and interior work using very wide angle lenses 14mm and up, and shift lenses 24mm and up.
So someday Canon may come out with another full framer for only $2,000 or less. And all I need are manual controls.

10/6/2004 11:10:01 AM

Lorraine Jones
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/10/2004
  Hi, Ken. No, I don't think the Rebel actually exposes a 35mm format 4x6 proportional image. When I go into Photoshop to get a 4x6 size, I actually have to resize it by dragging at the corner of the image to get the size proportional (i.e., stretching out the image to 6") but when I do that, there is virtually no cropping of the image (I will get the whole image into a 4x6 canvas)--bottom or sides. And yes, I do have a square monitor.

10/6/2004 11:21:15 AM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  Apparently the Rebel is 4"x5.3 instead of 4"x6".


10/6/2004 5:04:35 PM

Gail Cimino

member since: 2/19/2003
  Ena, I'm a little surprised at the technique you describe - creating a 4x6 canvas, free transform, etc. All you need to do in Photoshop is go to Image > Image size and change either the width or the height. You should keep "constrain proportions" checked. The "resample image" option is a whole other discussion, which has been addressed previously on this site . You should know about this even using your method - because you're actually resampling when you use free transform.

10/6/2004 8:28:24 PM

Lorraine Jones
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/10/2004
  Hi, Gail. Yes, I do use the Image>Image Size in PS (that is what I use when I resize the photos I enter into BP's photo contest) and I have also used "resample image." I guess I use the method I use to reassure myself that my image will indeed print correctly in the size I want. -Ena-

10/6/2004 9:02:42 PM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  Ena...why do you feel you need to distort the photo and stretch it to 6" when the proper image is 4"x 5.3"?

Are you thinking that there is some sort of digital error and you feel it must be corrected to 4x6?

Do you feel you need to use the whole 4x6 paper so that there is no waste?

That's like me taking a 645 medium format photo of you which prints out to 4"x5" and stretching you out to 6".
You shure would look funny.

APS format is a 4"x7" image. So, should that be 'corrected' to 4"x6"?

There are a variety of photo formats producing a variety of images sizes.

There is a consumer misconception that ALL digital images should be 35mm format size. And those mini-labs are satisfying the consumer by producing cropped full size 4x6's. And if asked by an aware consumer that there is something wrong with their photo, and what's the mini-lab's answer? Ask them. The Best answer I like is "that's the problem of Digital, they have different sizes". Wow!

If you don't have a lab nearby who can produce the proper size photos for you, send your images by email to www.fromex.com and they will mail you the finished custom photos. And it's better quality than my Epson 2200.

I appoligize for my offensive attitude towards you here regarding this matter.

Regards, Ken

10/6/2004 10:12:29 PM

Lorraine Jones
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/10/2004
  Hi, Ken. Nope, I am printing my images at home with a Canon i960. I only go to a lab if I'm printing a bunch of photos--and I don't even send it to a lab--I use a Kodak PictureMaker machine and I print from a CD.

Also, I don't distort my photo when resizing because I drag one of the corners while holding the SHIFT key. If you don't hold the shift key, then of course, your image will be distorted--but then, you probably already knew that :-)

10/8/2004 6:27:42 PM

Ken Henry

member since: 9/16/2003
  Thank you Ena, Fortunatly I'm able to use graphics design artists to redesign, correct, 'manipulate' my images for me. This gives me time to work behind the camera. I would not be able to afford the type of equipment and programs these designers have.
I have learned to become a better photographer because of these artists. One time I had a really dificult lighting situation. And I told the artist,
"Why don't I just take the picture with what I can do and you can do the rest in the computer. (we were making a catalog of stairways for a mfr)He Say's,
"I charge $175.00 per hour, become a proficient and true photographer by getting it right the first time." (I do have another who charges only $25 per hour.)
So, I pursue that final, pure, unadulterated exposure. And it does get easier.

regards, ken

10/8/2004 8:38:13 PM

Karrel Buckingham
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/28/2004
 
 
 
I have had this same problem (in fact, I have 35 photos sitting beside me, with parts cut off, check out pix of Timothy with his missing snout & antler tip). You have to resize them before you take them to a do-it-yourself print machine. At Ritz Camera, if I give it to the guy, they come out correct without me resizing them. In fact, he has told me to give him as much information as possible and he will print them correctly.

10/11/2004 10:52:44 AM

Lorraine Jones
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 3/10/2004
  Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. Thanks, Karrel, for posting.
-Ena-

10/11/2004 2:09:36 PM

Emily C. Barker

member since: 7/29/2004
  I use Shutterfly.com to print all my photos. As of right now, the print "standard" sizes, meaning 4x6, etc. But they promote that they are working on other sizes. Anyway, you can post your picture to their website, and then move the picture around so that it is cropped just how you want it. It will still get cropped, but you can decide where you want it cropped.
Hope this helps. Emily

10/13/2004 12:03:58 PM

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Mitzi 

member since: 9/12/2004
  59 .  Which Software and Printer Works?
I am no professional photographer but love taking pictures and have recently purchased what I thought would be a good combination for developing digital photos. I use a Canon Digital Rebel, a Kodak professional 8500 digital printer, and Adobe Photoshop 7. When printing my pictures, it's like a roll of the dice. Sometimes I get beautiful pictures, sometimes they're so grainy and dark. Can someone offer any advice? Thanks in advance.

9/23/2004 6:14:23 PM

  The only way to avoid printing on a trial-and-error basis is to spend the time and money to establish an ICC workflow, where all of your devices are calibrated. For printing, it is the monitor and printer that need to be profiled. Once you have done that, then you eliminate the need for test prints because what you see on your monitor and what comes out of the printer are a match.

The least expensive and easiest way to get started on this path is o purchase Monaco EZ Color 2.6 with the Optix Colorimeter. The Monaco package does an excellent job of calibrating your monitor and a reasonable job of calibrating your printer. If you do not want to hassle with making printer profiles you can have them done for you at www.Profilecity.com, but you will need to hardware calibrate your monitor!

9/23/2004 10:02:33 PM

Doug  Elliott
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member since: 9/18/2004
  There are two additional pieces of equipments that will give you the results you want. Go to Inkjetmall.com and get ICC / ICM color printer profiles. You can buy the library or individual profiles. I use only two and therefore I didn’t spend the money to get the library since I don’t use all the different types of paper. I would like to suggest that you also get the Color Vision Spider Pro. These profiles and monitor calibration units are valuable in keeping your monitor calibrated and your printer printing what you see.
Good luck.
Doug

9/24/2004 9:36:00 PM

Gregg Vieregge

member since: 11/10/2000
  Calibrate your monitor. Adobe gives a gamma adjustment. Go to control panel, appearance and you should see a gamma icon. Send that to your desktop for future reference. Open an image of a person in photoshop and minimize the screen so your can open the gamma adjustment next to it. It will ask to set your contrast to the highest level and adjust the brightness to make the little square do dark but not black. In the nest steo it will have you adjust the grey sqaure to make it blend to the background. As you move forward it will save your adjustment. This is a good start. When printing with the 8500 go to properties and click off the extrelife button. This eliminates the 4th lamentate layer. Your prints will have a really cool high gloss appearand, much like metallic 3-d paper. Unfortuneately Kodak never made an a good owners manual with that printer. Instaed they keep you buying extented waranties for support.

9/28/2004 6:42:17 AM

Cookie Serletic

member since: 9/13/2003
  AN easier way would be sell you kodak printer and get a nice canon printer. I got a canon I 475D AND I LOVE IT! It comes with a canon software for easy print. various sizes, paper options I can print on glossy, pro glossy ,reg paper, even canvas. I never print out of my photoshop programs , colors are never right. I shoot withthe D30 and the prints come out great with this printer and software. I have never calibrater my monitor. No fancy one either. but the colors are pretty close for me. If I am selling photos they still go to the pro lab. :) AFTER ANY EDITING.

9/28/2004 12:30:53 PM

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Jeff Hartman

member since: 9/16/2004
  60 .  Printing Problem
I am using Elements 2.0 and have a new HP 7960 printer. When I try to print a borderless 4x6, it keeps turning it into a 4x5.33. I can not get it to stay borderless. I set it up, hit preview, hit print and it turns out with white space on each end. Can somebody walk me through this so that I can do it right.

9/17/2004 5:56:08 AM

Dave Cross

member since: 4/8/2004
  Hi Jeff. You don't say what camera you're using. But I suspect that your problem is that the image aspect ratio is 4:3, which gives a print 5.33" x 4". A 6" x 4" print has an aspect ratio of 3:2.
Most non-DSLR digitals have an image aspect ratio of 4:3 (same as TV). DSLRs usually have the "35m" aspect ratio of 3:2.
You won't fit your 4:3 image onto a 6x4 print without either white ends, cropping the top and bottom, or distorting the long edge to fit.
Hope this is some help.
DC

9/17/2004 6:35:36 AM

Lorraine Jones
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member since: 3/10/2004
  Hi, Jeff. This happened to me the very first time I printed my digital photos. I took a CD to Wal-Mart and used one of their Kodak PictureMaker machines. All of my prints were cropped either at the top or at the bottom. I then got a little lecture from the lab there and was told the same thing that Dave mentioned above.

So now, I go into PS, open a new canvas (4x6, for example), then drag a copy of my photo into the new canvas. If your photo is smaller than the canvas, you can free transform your image to fit the canvas. I do this for any size that I want to print (because if you go 2x3, your image would be too large, so you have to free transform to decrease the image size). Now that I do this, I can get a borderless or no border print (I print at home on a Canon i960 printer).

Hope this helps.

9/28/2004 4:36:05 PM

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