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The Tram Stop #2
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The Tram Stop #2
The Tram Stop #2
Another shot of the tram stop. This old guy just happened to walk into the image. How does this compare to the previous version? (People)
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Steve R. Inman
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    Excellent! Did not see the previous version, but I like the effects!

10/28/2007 2:40:28 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Steve. The earlier one is on the first page in my gallery as I only posted it a few days ago.

10/28/2007 3:25:14 PM

 
Alexis Yobbagy
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I love this tram shot too!!! This city street scenes really turn my crank!!!

10/28/2007 4:21:38 PM

 
Holly Hitchcock
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This is great, Peter. The motion vs. still is right on target. The B/W is perfect as well.

10/28/2007 4:32:53 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Alexis and Holly.

10/28/2007 4:33:50 PM

 
Mike Perez
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Great motion blurs, Peter! I didn't see the previous version but this one is great.

10/28/2007 5:43:55 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Mike.

10/28/2007 5:48:04 PM

 
Lester A. Garcia
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Hi Peter! This is a powerful image. The different expressions of the people on the bench is just terrific.
The old man with the cane compliments the image. GREAT!

10/28/2007 6:14:12 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Lester.

10/28/2007 6:33:55 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
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how did you actually make this one happen? Can a take a guess? high shutter speed, and a lower AV setting to catch just those on the bench?

10/28/2007 11:10:12 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks for the comment Amanda. Actually quite the reverse. The shutter speed was 1/20sec to allow the people in the background to blur due to their motion while keeping the subjects on the bench sharp. I added a bit of help in that in post-processing. A very slow shutter speed would have achieved the result I was after but I couldn't then have maintained sharpness of the people.

10/28/2007 11:19:00 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
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oh darn, I knew that. I mixed it up. Thanks for the info.. Im trying to remember it and keep it straight.

:)

10/28/2007 11:38:42 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
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did you have to change the AV at all? or just the TV? Does it automatically keep those sitting still sharp even at a slow shutter speed?

10/28/2007 11:40:54 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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It did sound like that Amanda :-) There's a lot to learn when you are starting out in photography.

10/28/2007 11:40:54 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Amanda I leave the camera on aperture priority and then adjust the aperture to get the shutter speed (A mode) I want although you could do that the other way around using shutter priority mode (S mode). (Note that Canon and a few other manufacturers like the use of Av and Tv which is bizarre and redundant as the v is pointless and S would be much better as S stands for shutter or speed while I presume T stands for time. Not to mention terms which I find quite confusing as a result of them not being logical.) Whether it keeps those sitting sharp depends on whether they move around at all and how much of the frame they fill. Even at 1/20sec you can get a fair bit of motion in a person. It really amounts to how many pixels they move in a given time. As long as the motion is less that a few pixels during the exposure they will appear sharp. Does that make sense to you?

10/28/2007 11:58:00 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
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I know what you're saying with the Canon TV and AV, that's exactly what makes it hard to remember. . . the terms aren't logical....

it does, I'll have to read over it a couple times, but so very helpful. . .

10/29/2007 12:42:21 AM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Glad to help out Amanda. You could even do the arithmetic if you wanted to get some more exact values of shutter speed and motion.

10/29/2007 1:01:31 AM

 
Rhonda Burger
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I totally agree with the Canon TV and AV comment.
I think the people in the background of the first picture look more like reflections...then of course in the 2nd they are moving.
I thought it was funny how you spoke of the first guy being alone...the second photo is still alone. Look at all their body language. No commaraderie there.
Nice image Peter. Rhonda

10/29/2007 8:20:01 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
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no arithmetic Peter, that's ok... :) it's enough to try to figure out the AV and TV. . . lol.. .

thank you though :)

10/29/2007 11:20:00 AM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Rhonda and Amanda. Rhonda the body language here is interesting even more so when you know that the guy at the end and the woman next to him are apparently a couple although you wouldn't guess that from the photo.

10/29/2007 1:15:02 PM

 
Susan M. Campbell
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I like both versions. The first one had a feeling of loneliness as the man sat by himself waiting for the tram. I love the feeling of motion in this one. That man on the left had perfect timing and didn't even know it. Nice work!!!

10/29/2007 6:38:13 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Susan. I agree with you. The images are different and I can't decide which one is better. You have to be lucky sometimes when people get into the right position by themselves.

10/29/2007 6:43:04 PM

 
Lisa J. Boulden
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Such a cool and wonderful scene!
Powerful!
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11/3/2007 10:26:13 AM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Lisa.

11/3/2007 2:00:35 PM

 
Kay E. Mahoney
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Congratulations on your finalist, Peter.

11/26/2007 4:14:23 PM

 
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Congratulations Peter on your finalist! B-

11/26/2007 4:21:05 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Kay and Barbara.

11/26/2007 4:45:10 PM

 
Steve M. Harrington
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Good on you, Peter! :)
Steve

11/26/2007 5:07:49 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Steve.

11/26/2007 5:33:16 PM

 
Donna LaMattino Pagakis
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Congratulations Peter, excellent work. Creative and cool sense of motion, great tones too!

11/26/2007 6:21:10 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Donna.

11/26/2007 8:42:42 PM

 
Erin Tyler
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Congratulations on your finalist!

11/27/2007 6:18:07 AM

 
Dennis Flanagan
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I think your choice of Black and White is what made this shot. In colour there would have been a lot of distractions. Now we are drawn to the people. Good job and Congratulations.

11/27/2007 11:50:36 AM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Erin and Dennis.

11/27/2007 12:41:28 PM

 
Esther Smith
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Very creative! Congratulations on your Finalist Peter!

11/27/2007 10:21:18 PM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Esther.

11/28/2007 3:32:54 AM

 
Alexandra Hankova
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Very interesting. I like the "movement" in the background.

12/1/2007 9:03:58 AM

 
Peter R. Hammer
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Thanks Alexandra.

12/1/2007 12:25:23 PM

 
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