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Clouds on the Beach
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest SECOND PLACE Winner
 
 Copyright  Bob Jones @ ImagineWales.com
Copyright Bob Jones @ ImagineWales.com

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Brinn MacDougall
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    This is very striking..love the colors..well done, Bob!

5/25/2004 10:22:32 AM

 
Marie Fields
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Gorgeous image, Bob!

5/25/2004 10:30:28 AM

 
Marja H. Konimäki

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Wonderful image!!!

5/25/2004 10:38:35 AM

 
Lori Ditlefsen

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Very nicely done Bob!

5/25/2004 11:02:30 AM

 
Kelly Abernathy
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Beautiful! -K

5/25/2004 11:29:56 AM

 
Casey A. Hanson
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This is awesome Bob! The colors are stunning, very nice.

5/25/2004 11:47:02 AM

 
Theresa McCloskey

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terrific shot Bob - wonderful colors :-)

5/25/2004 11:55:11 AM

 
Alisha May Furbish
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Holy cow- spectacular!!!! A winner in my book!

5/25/2004 12:27:39 PM

 
Kristen McKain
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Wow.. I must have missed this one.. I dont know how, though! Congrats!!

6/15/2004 12:49:33 PM

 
Kelly Abernathy
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Congratulations! -K

6/15/2004 12:55:59 PM

 
Donna LaMattino Pagakis
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This is so beautiful, a well deserved win!!!! Love the colors!!!!

6/15/2004 2:22:42 PM

 
Cathy Barrows
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Congrats!...beautiful

6/15/2004 2:37:50 PM

 
Thomasa 

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WOW! The sea foam makes it look like you could walk on clouds. Great colors and I love how the foam leads your eye to the sunset/sunrise. Nicely done!

6/15/2004 3:37:58 PM

 
Dan J. Holm
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Absolutely stunning shot! Congratulations, Bob!

6/15/2004 5:00:26 PM

 
Diane Dupuis-Kallos
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Stupendous Bob! Congrats on your 7 finalists and good luck!!

6/15/2004 5:30:35 PM

 
Jim Kinnunen
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Wonderful image and great exposure!!!

6/15/2004 6:31:00 PM

 
Jennifer Rennison

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This is absolutely beautiful, stunning! Congratulations!

6/15/2004 8:09:59 PM

 
Evy Johansen
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Wow - this is beautiful! As always... Many congratulations Bob!

6/15/2004 10:06:02 PM

 
Kasia Elser
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CONGRATS!

6/16/2004 6:14:48 AM

 
Kasia Elser
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CONGRATS!

6/16/2004 6:14:49 AM

 
Peggy Wolff
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Wow is right! What kind of work was done on this?

6/16/2004 7:06:22 AM

 
Karen Engelbreth
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Many congratulations, Bob!

6/16/2004 7:19:34 AM

 
Doug Gould
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This image is so beautiful and unique, Bob. You must be proud of it! Congrats.

6/16/2004 10:23:19 AM

 
Gianna Stadelmyer
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Congratulations, Bob! This is fabulous:-)

6/16/2004 11:44:59 AM

 
Alisha May Furbish
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Well deserved congrats!!

6/16/2004 12:12:42 PM

 
Kelly Abernathy
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A well deserved win! Congratulations - I just love this shot - so beautiful! -K

6/16/2004 6:30:03 PM

 
Patrick Campbell
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I love the spectacular color and the intentional blur of the sea foam. Congrats Bob!

6/16/2004 6:38:32 PM

 
Evy Johansen
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I'm so glad to see this beauty as a winner!! Congratulations on your second place win, Bob! Very well deserved!

6/17/2004 12:13:42 AM

 
Mette Vendelboe Allison

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Congrats! Great photo!

6/17/2004 12:44:45 AM

 
Donna W. Neal
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CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN Bob!

6/17/2004 3:33:07 AM

 
Paul C. Gazzanigo
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Congratulations, Bob!

6/17/2004 3:33:46 AM

 
Donna J. Eaton
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A big congratulations Bob! Stunning work as always! ;-)

6/17/2004 5:14:32 AM

 
Deborah  Sandidge
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Congratulations, just beautiful!

6/17/2004 6:19:20 AM

 
Lori Ditlefsen

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Congrats on the win Bob! Well done!

6/17/2004 6:36:37 AM

 
Jennifer Rennison

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Congratulations on your win, a beautiful image!

6/17/2004 7:25:12 AM

 
Susana Matos
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amazing!!!!!!!! as usual! Congratulations on your win!
Cheers from Portugal, Su

6/17/2004 12:25:15 PM

 
Mary K. Robison
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Superb, as always. Congratulations!

6/17/2004 1:59:13 PM

 
Robin L. Wehrman
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WOW this is outstanding , beautiful colors, Congratulations on your well deserved win !!

6/17/2004 2:35:52 PM

 
Anton Falcon
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just amazing! many congrats to you, Bob!!

6/18/2004 7:43:35 AM

 
Dolores Neilson
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Bob ...your photography just keeps getting better and better! Congrats to you my WElsh friend! You're one of the best!

6/20/2004 7:44:49 AM

 
Carol Brill
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Congratulations, Bob, what impressive colors, composition, and exposure in this amazing image!!

6/20/2004 9:50:38 PM

 
Jim Collier
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With all due respect to Bob, this shot is way, WAY too color saturated. Actually it's not the shot--which is technically sound and artistically pleasing, saturation aside--it's obviously the digital post-processing.

As a general observation and not a criticism, I simply do not understand why grossly oversaturated sunset shots like this are SO popular (even with a photo-savvy audience), and win so many amateur contests! For example, this shot is so unnatural-looking, it's distracting. And for purely "artistic" value, the artifacting caused by too much saturation is glaring. (Notice the uneven tone, bleeding, uneven color shifting, etc.) If I were judging, I would severely penalize this, and shots like it, on over-saturation alone.

To my eyes it would have been a GREAT shot if it wasn't so severely oversaturated. I looked at Bob's gallery and he is very talented and has some great shots, and obviously doesn't need any suggestions on HOW to not over-saturate it. (I really love his wide-angle shot of the sheep in the green valley.) Although, there are a small handful of other oversaturated shots--but not as bad as this one.

A small gripe I have with this site, related to this, is a total lack of constructive criticism. We NEED constructive critiques to collectively grow as artists and technicians. Instead, it seems to be all sunshine and glowing superlatives, even for really horrible submissions--whose creator could really benefit from constructive pointers from the more experienced members. It's obvious some people feel compelled to encourage newbies to keep at it, but heaping praise on shoddy work doesn't work for toddlers, much less mature adults who would really appreciate specific pointers targeted specifically to their submission, and from which they could truly benefit from! (I will say though that the total lack of UNCONSTRUCTIVE flames is very nice, and a nice change of pace from most places on the internet in general.) I would suggest a change to the site: instead of just a "comments" field, call it, "What I like about this shot". Then add another field called, "What could be better"--which would encourage everyone to offer constructive criticism for every comment, rather than just blowing sunshine up you-know-where!

So, departing from high-concept discussion, here's my constructive criticism specific to this submission: Bob, nice shot. You are obviously a skilled artist. But I wouldn't have used nearly so much color saturation! Perhaps try not using the Hue/Saturation dialog, or if the over-saturation was a side-effect of increasing the contrast, use Hue/Saturation to back it off, back to natural levels. I know amateur contests seem to favor grossly oversaturated sunset shots regardless of the presence of over-saturation artifacts, but buck the norm!

With sincerity,
Jim

6/22/2004 8:40:27 AM

 
Jim Collier
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Also, one reader commented "nice selective blur on the foam". It looks to me that it is "UN-selective", natural blur, induced by motion and a slow shutter speed, rather than in digital post-processing as apparently suggested. That's a second [very small] gripe I have with this site (although overall I love it)--the comments are mostly stand-alone, not interactive and feeding off one another. No one else corrected, countered, corroborated, or even mentioned that comment about the foam. I'm not sure how to encourage that better though! Ideas? ;-)

6/22/2004 8:44:13 AM

 
Bob Jones
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Jim ... e-mail me I would really like to discuss this with you ...

Bob

6/22/2004 10:46:21 AM

 
Sharon  McClung
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This is terrific! Congratulations!

7/4/2004 12:45:30 PM

 
Joy Rector
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I was reading jim collier's comments and along those lines I would like to see along with the winning photos the reasons why each winner was chosen...what about the photo/art piece was singled out as a winner. I think this would help the rest of us develop our skills and continue to learn. I also like the idea of ""What I like about this shot". Then add another field called, "What could be better"--which would encourage everyone to offer constructive criticism for every comment" that Jim mentioned.

This is a wonderful site. I have taken over a thousand dollars worth of classes and visit it every day to try to learn more to improve my own work.

And Bob I like the photo. I live in an area where our sunsets/sunrises and not nearly this colorful but I am sure there are such in other parts of the world.

7/7/2004 6:38:49 AM

 
Katleen R. Struckle
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Congrat"s on your win Bob! Wonderful image!!

7/14/2004 8:51:16 PM

 
Dolores Neilson
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Who says colors have to look "natural"??

While I can respect photographers who don't care for lots of bold color, it is important to keep in mind that we can manipulate our photography for the effect we like just like painters do and it is still an acceptable art form. Painters overexaggerate strokes, colors aand reality all the time, and no one complains about that. The only time I feel it is not acceptable is with photojournalism...as that is the art of capturing reality. Ansel Adams was the father of manipulation though many may not realize it. What came out of his darkroom was not what he really saw....dodging and burning to his heart's desire to achieve the effect he felt would have greatest dramatic impact...and people loved his work! Sure color wasn't overexaggerated (how can it be with B&W?)...but his skies were! Composites sell...yet they're hardly real. And who cares?? It's how it makes you feel that matters. If the photo is visually appealing, then the photographer has done his job.

Joy...to request that the professionals who have to judge thousands of images every month spend extra time writing why EACH winner was selected is unreasonable. In fact, we don't pay to enter here....it's free for everyone. To ask them to do more is not really fair. Our photos are judged by professionals and we don't have to pay a thing. They're already giving alot I think. I see your point..but from a site that's free, it's way too much to ask. Imagine how much more time that would take! Just my thoughts.

9/11/2004 5:48:52 AM

 
Joy Rector
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you're rigtht Dolores there are thousands of entries in the contest each month. But only a few of those are selected. I was talking about the first and/OR second place winners and there are not that many. I was only trying to participate in the discussion and offer ideas.

9/11/2004 8:18:58 AM

 
Dolores Neilson
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Hi Joy..I wasnt' criticizing you. I understand you meant the winners only. But you're incorrect in that there's "only a few". There are a total of 111 first and second place winners...and a grand prize. That's 111 commentaries on each winner...that's what I was talking about. And that's not counting the finalists! Judges have difficulty going through the selection process as it is...without 111 commentaries to post in addition to that. It's still an unreasonable request IMHO. Considering what they have to do.

9/11/2004 8:32:51 AM

 
Joy Rector
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Point taken.

9/11/2004 9:05:27 AM

 
Fawn  M. Schutt
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Amazing! I love the colors!

9/2/2007 8:37:51 PM

 
Pamela Oms
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wonderful colors

9/11/2007 3:58:15 PM

 
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