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John P. Sandstedt
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What Printer Settings to Use?


I just got a response from Canon regarding which printer settings should be used when using the Canon S800 and Kodak Ultima Phot Paper (either glossy or satin finish.) Canon indicated that Kodak recommended the "plain paper" setting and the slider adjustment to "fine."

This makes little sense to me - although I'm willing to try it. Does anyone have any other suggestions?


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5/29/2003 7:22:23 AM

 
doug Nelson   I'm no expert and have not used that printer or paper. The makers arrive at these recommendations, I'm told, by taking into consideration the ink droplet size and properties of different papers. You might want to try other combinations. Also, try to find a Shutterbug magazine review of your printer for some papers the reviewer liked.


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5/29/2003 10:09:42 AM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  Thanx, Doug.

I just started a subscription to Shutterbug - but, I'll check the web site. Also, got an e-mail from Kodak confirming use of the plain paper setting.


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6/2/2003 5:30:08 AM

 
Andy 
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  I hope you haven't purchase the Kodak paper yet. Beside the Canon Photo Paper Pro, that's the only paper I tried. I have a Canon S9000 and the ink and this Kodak Ultima paper DO NOT go well together. I just stick with the Canon paper and the prints are so good. Also the Canon paper is a little bit cheaper than the Kodak paper. If someone has a different result, I would like to know.


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6/2/2003 7:04:02 AM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  I've used a lot of different papers in addition to Canon's. For Christmas Cards, I had success with HP Cards [half fold]. These are glossy on one side and flat [matte] on the other. Good to great results.

This prompted me to try HP one side good, one side matte for 2003 calendars. Again - good to great results relative to the purpose. That is, being able to write notes or appointments, etc.

Then, I went to HP "top of the line" paper and had horrible results. That's what prompted me to Kodak papers. Until I heard from Kodak, I had mixed results - couldn't control anything. Kodak recommended the plain paper setting at fine. In the first attempt with Ultima Satin, I was pleased but not totally ecstatic. Obviously, some fine tuning will be required. I also tried the glossy/fine setting - this was terrible.

Since I still have several HP sheets, I think I'll play with the plain paper/fine setting here also.

It's interesting that you suggest that Canon paper is cheaper. I can get 75 sheets of Kodak Ultima glossy or satin for about $25.00. [J's, Price Club.] Canon PhotoPro - 15 sheets for about $14.00 [Staples, Canon e-Store.]

I agree that the results with PhotoPro are great. I'm less enthralled with Canon glossy. But, my interest remains in the different effects possible if we can utilize different papers. I'd like to think that we might be able to approach the variations possible when one goes into the wet darkroom to work with the various papers that are available.

Andy, thanks for your response.


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6/2/2003 8:35:46 AM

 
Andy 
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  When I got the pritner, I thought the Canon paper will be expensive and Kodak advertised their paper is the best. I thought all photo papers are the same. So I bought 2 twenty-sheet packs of 4x6" from J&R for about $9 each. The result was terrible. Then I got the 4x6" Canon Photo Pro twenty-sheet pack from B&H for $6.95 each (the Kodak Ultima from B&H is $7.95 each). I also got the 13x19" from Best Buy for $25 (10 sheets) but B&H listed for $19.50. I wonder if any one try the Ultima paper on other printer with great result!


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6/2/2003 12:02:35 PM

 
Sreedevi Swaminathan   I tried the Ultima on my Epson 820 stylus. I first tried it printing two color pictures. I thought it was the most amazing paper in the world. I've used Epson's high quality glossy paper, which is great, and they're regular glossy paper which is as good as Staples brand glossy paper- you get prints that are good enough for anything not really important. But the Kodak was so real and brilliant- and for once the color was exactly the same as what I saw onscreen.

So then I tried printing Black and White. I don't know what the hell was going on. It looked like the ink splattered all over. I thought there was a problem with the nozzles, so I checked and cleaned them and decided to test on the cheaper Staples paper and everything came out fine. So I put the Ultima in right away to make a second print (just thumbnails) and it was the same thing. I don't really understand it, because ink is ink, but somehow it doesn't take to black ink very well.
But color is beautiful! Make sure you edit the marks from your photos well, because it picks up everything.


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6/3/2003 3:44:05 AM

 
Connie Diring   I have tried the glossy Ultima with a Lexmark Z65 printer and gotten great results. Have sold a lot of photos on this paper. We'll have to see how long they last though.


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6/3/2003 6:16:14 AM

 
roger christian   Ilford papers have been rated very highly in tests. Give them a try - a variety of surfaces and sizes.


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6/3/2003 7:44:51 AM

 
Artur    Every printer manufacturer is creating special ink and paper coatings to maximize image quality and longevity under regular lighting condition (hanging on the wall under glass), So mixing paper from other manufactures than your printer may work but your image longevity will be compromised. It will probably fade quicker than on proper paper. And in stead 40 years you will get only 2.
Check this site for fading info: http://www.wilhelm-research.com/


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6/3/2003 10:02:38 AM

 
Amie Kyte   John,
I have the Canon s900 and use Epson papers with it. I'm very pleased with the results... I mainly use the heavy weight matte paper and premium glossy. With the matte I set it the paper to "matte photo" and usually check the vivid color box on the effects tab, this gives me great color. For premium glossy I set paper setting to "Photo paper plus glossy" and get great results. I had this huge stock of Epson paper from my previous Epson photo printer (which had never ending printhead problems) and experimented with settings, the ones above are my favorites. There's a great wealth of info at Yahoo groups... just search for a group about Canon printers and you'll find the one I'm talking about. I learned a lot there. Good Luck!


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6/3/2003 12:41:34 PM

 
Eileen Haines   We have a Canon S600 and, after trying other printers and other paper, will only use Paper Pro. We also found that Canon software prints our photos in the best quality. PhotoRecord prints borderless 4x6 prints just great. Price is not our problem, finding it in stock is. So we stock up when we find it in our local stores.


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6/8/2003 2:48:38 PM

 
Elaine C. Carbone
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  I have a Cannon S800 printer. I donot like Kodak Photo paper. I have the best results with Ilford Galleria Photo Papers. My favorite is the Classic Pearl & Smooth Pearl. I use the setting that Ilford recommends, high glossy film , which is fine. And also use the the Photo Image Optimizer through the whole page on the Cannon Printers settings. I do use Cannon Photo Paper for general photo printing ,but for more special look I like the Ilford. Also for special artwork try Ilford Fine Art Paper . The price is $14.99 for 25 sheets ,the fine art paper Is a little pricey 'but I by it in sample packs . They are great for both Black & White printing & color. If your fussy about your photo & how they look it's well worth it. I have tried Kodak's Ultimate photo paper and donot like it. Good luck! Elaine


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6/21/2003 1:49:15 PM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  Thanks to all of you who responded to this question and, especially, to you Elaine. I rcently went to the Ilfor web site and was thinking of ordering some. That you have the S*)) is important to response to my question.


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6/23/2003 5:13:31 AM

 
Michael L. Ridgway   I've heard wonderful things about Kodak paper, but the Satin Ultima Picture Paper is quite simply horrendous. The shadows are terrible. I'm curious too. Is there any way to force good results from this paper?


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6/20/2005 3:02:14 PM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  Mike -

I inadvertently made a B&W print using Ultima Satin and, surprisingly, it was the best B&W inkjet paper I had tried to that point. Once, again, your must treat Kodak Ultima as if it were plain paper. it makes no sense, but that's what Kodak advised several years ago.

Of course, now I'm wondering where Kodak is going in all of this. I think I have the last 30 sheets of Kodak 8.5X14 photopaper in captivity; it lets me approximate an 8X12 print. Of course, it's not the Ultima grade!
And, now, Kodak has announced it will stop making B&W photo paper. George Eastman must be rolling over in his grave.

But, do check out Ilford inkjet papers. I especially like the Pearl finishes. One needs to be carefiul using some of the glossy papers as the Moire Effect seems to appear for no reason. I also had that problem when I tried certain Epson and HP papers on my Canon S800.

John


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6/20/2005 3:38:59 PM

 
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