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Gagan S. Matharoo
 

Canon 400mm F4 DO lens


 
  tigress
tigress
Camera Model Canon EOS 7D
Firmware Firmware Version 1.2.5
Shooting Date/Time 6/3/2012 5:19:17 AM

Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/60
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation -2/3
ISO Speed 800
Auto ISO Speed OFF
Lens EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Focal Length 120.0 mm

Gagan S. Matharoo

 
 
Hi All

I am now using a Canon 7D and I like to shoot wildlife, for which I am using a Canon100-400 F4.5-5.6 L USM IS lens. But I find the performance is not good enough in low light( shooting at dawn or dusk). I am planning to upgrade to a 400mm F4 DO Lens.

Is anyone using the 400mm F4 DO lens, can you give inputs on performance and image quality. How is the performance in low light ?


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June 11, 2012

 
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  Don't have the DO lens, but in reading your comment, you're talking about going from f/4.5 to f/4---which isn't too much of a "speed" improvement, I think... You're already shooting at ISO800 on the 7D; I'm wondering if you'd need to consider an even faster lens, such as an f/2.8?


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June 12, 2012

 

Jeff E Jensen
  I don't own the 400DO, but I have shot with it on a number of occasions. The big advantage of it is the weight. It's pretty light compared to the 400 2.8. On the long end of your 100-400 you are getting f/5.6, so you will see an improvement with the f/4.

You can see some of my images shot with the lens on my blog:

http://blog.jeffejensenphotography.com/search/label/Canon%20EF%20400mm%20%20f%2F4.0%20DO%20IS


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June 12, 2012

 

Lynn R. Powers
  The photo you presented of the beautiful tiger was taken with your lens at 120mm and you are asking about using a $6000+ 400 DO lens??? The 400DO would only have allowed you to take a photo of the tigers head instead of the entire body at a slightly higher speed. You could have taken the same photo with the 100-400mm lens if it was mounted on a tripod and increased the ISO to 1600.

Part of the problem is with your shooting habits.

Shooting at dusk and pre dawn are not condusive to good photos unless you are using auxillary lights. A better time is two hours after sunrise and two hours before sunset.

Automatic exposure should NOT be used. Do not make the camera do your selecting for you. You are the photographer and should decide which is more important to get the shot you want.
Choose either Tv or Av and then put the camera to work. Also do not be afraid of using Auto ISO in changing under challenging conditions. I had one case where the aquarium had tanks with many different lighting situations so I used auto ISO, for the first time, and managed to get a "Finalist" in the monthly contest with a photo at ISO 1250 taken with a 40D.

The only time to use Evaluative Metering is in cases like this where the lighting is even or the colors are the same, as in a green forest or a dark swamp. The rest of the time use partial or spot metering.

You used the exposure compensation in the wrong direction. Using it at -2/3 decreased your effective ISO to 500, not the 800 that it was set. If you had set it at +2/3 you may have had enough shutter speed to stop the blur in his rear leg. (I didn't mind the blur especially under the conditions).

You have a sophistacated camera which will take fine photos, better than my 40D, but you need how and when to use its different functions. I keep my camera manual with in my camera bag so I can consult it when I wish to try something that I haven't done for the past year or more.

Under the conditions that your sample photo presents the 400DO would have been no better without the versatility.


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June 19, 2012

 

Gagan S. Matharoo
  HI Lynn

thanks for the extensive in depth review of my photo. I do agree about polishing my skills with the camera. The big problem though is that I dont know how to edit the photos much except with the Canon software. I have ordered the Adobe Light Room software .
The timing to shoot these beauties cannot be defined as I have shot these in the jungles( These tigers are wild and not in a zoo)the time to enter the reserve is at 5AM and I got this family of tigers walking just next to the driving path 15 minutes after I entered. The time/place/ condition of sighting is most uncertain. I shall be uploading a few photos from my trip to the tiger reserve of the tigers and other beautiful animals/birds.( would appreciate your comments on those)

also isnt it better to under expose rather than over expose and burn the image. Under exposing does help in editing and getting a better image than an over exposed one.

thanks


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June 19, 2012

 

Lynn R. Powers
  I am going to reply backwards to your inquiry. That is the way I do everything. :=)

Over exposure was used on film cameras when shooting negative film both color and B&W to get the shadow detail. With digital we are taught to "expose to the right", ETTR. This is in reference to the histogram in the camera. BUT if the histogram touches the right side you will have burned out highlights so the correct exposure is just a little left of the right hand side of the graph. A single pink flower will have a curve in the center with nothing on either side. That is normal and proper for the subject. The photo of the tiger may produce a jagged line that connects from the far left side to the far right side. That is because you have managed to get every shade possible and it is still a proper exposue.

The only time I use minus compesation is when there is a heavy haze, not fog, in the area or strong glare. I do a lot of photos while on the water and the glare in the sky will give me a false reading even though I always use a lens hood. In this case I will use a -2/3 compesation. But when shooting a bird in flight I select a plus compesation in order to get the detail on the underside of the bird.

To be fair to you the photo you took with the equipment used, and conditions, is as good as any camera would have gotten. If the Exposure Comp had not been applied perhaps the rear leg would not have been blured.

If you are not shooting RAW I recommend that you start doing it immediately. From the beginning I shot RAW+JPEG and after 3 years I had a program with a RAW converter and redid 2/3 of my photos and what I thought was excellent before came out as "terrific" using the RAW converter. I would recommend that you start out with Adobe PSE 10 before using lightroom. With the RAW Processor you can bring out highlights in a matter of seconds, change your WB, enhance your detail in the shadows, and adjust your exposue from as little as .05 to 2 f stops plus or minus. Most of mine are less than .25 f stops which is better than the .33 that the camera offers.
Lightroom is good for catalogueing(sp?) but a simple file system works well for me after six years using digital. Both LR and PSE10 have RAW converters.
Except for this past year I have averaged 3000 photos a year. Since Ocober 2011 the weather and lighting have been so bad that I have only taken 100.

I wish you much luck in your pursuits to capture those beautiful animals. But don't waste $6000 until you are a full time pro and can write it off as a business expense. Instead send me the $6000 so I can purchase the 1Dx. :=0 :=)


Lynn


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June 22, 2012

 

Nicholas Semo
  I shoot wildlife photos on a regular basis and they are all taken in the wild. That means shooting when the critters are most active, which means dawn and dusk. Buy the fastest lens you can afford and you may still have to boost your ISO. I sometimes shoot with my ISO at 2500 with my D700. You can fix noise but you can't fix blur. Shooting wildlife in their natural habitat is tough business.


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June 22, 2012

 

Gagan S. Matharoo
 
 
  female tigress
female tigress
Camera Model Canon EOS 7D
Firmware Firmware Version 1.2.5
Shooting Date/Time 6/3/2012 5:19:19 AM
Owner's Name
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/60
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation -2/3
ISO Speed 800
Auto ISO Speed OFF
Lens EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
Focal Length 120.0 mm
Image Size 5184x3456
Image Quality RAW
Flash Off
FE lock OFF
White Balance Mode Daylight
AF Mode AI Servo AF
AF area select mode Manual selection

Gagan S. Matharoo

 
  female tigress again
female tigress again

Gagan S. Matharoo

 
 
HI Lynn, thanks for the tips. I shoot only in RAW and I use the CAnon software to convert and edit the photos. there is a BIGGG hitch to shell out $6000.00 ( In india it is prices more than that)
but if you can plan a trip to india we could go along to shoot the pretty cats in the wild

P.S. what u have to say about the other pics I have put along with this reply.


Nicholas - you should also visit india if you like to shoot wildlife. The big mean animals are a plenty here.


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