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Avoiding Lab Cropping of 1/4 in Per Side


I would like to know if any of you know of an online lab that does not trim off 1/4 inch per side of their prints. My uploads are correctly sized, etc....everything good to go, but every lab I have used to date, including Mpix, White House, Adorama, and more trims prints about 1/4th inch per side. Know a lab that does not do that?
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July 04, 2010

 

Pamela Njemanze
  I've used Mpix and never had any cropping issues with them but I printed 8x12 not 8x10 otherwise there wd be cropping. What sizes were cropped?


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July 05, 2010

 

Alan N. Marcus
  Format ratio:

Your camera has a format ratio of 1:1.5 more universally called 4x6 (note 3 x 1.5 = 6).

Stated another way, we multiply the height of the image by 1 1/2 to calculate what the length of the print must be.

As an example - you order 4x6 prints (that's 4 inches height by 6 inches length). OK - do the math - 4 x 1.5 = 6. That is an exact fit. That tells us, the lab can make 4x6's without cropping off any of the image from the sides or top.

Now if you order an 8x10's. Note 8 x 1.5 = 12 - this math tells us that you cannot make an 8x10 without lopping off 2 inches from the length. Stated another way, the lab will make the requested 8x10 but to do so they must crop off 2 inches from the length. What they will do is split the excess two inches and take an inch away from the left and an inche away from the right of the length.

What can you order that will flaunt the whole image without a crop.
3 by 4 1/2
4 by 6
5 by 7 1/2
6 by 9
7 by 10 1/2
8 by 12
9 by 13 1/2
10 by 15
11 by 16.5
12 by 18

Note the length is 1.5 times the height.
Why is this true? The ratio of height to length was established in the early years of the last century when the first 35mm film camera was made. It was the Leica first marketed in 1923.

Now the print size 8x10 inches was a popular drawing paper size that preceded photography. Note 8x10 has a ratio of 1: 1 1/4 meaning it is more nearly a square rather than rectangle.

Format sizes (print sizes) evolve over time based on application and technology. My crystal ball tells me that 8 1/2 x 11 will be the most popular size of the future because this is the size paper that is the ordinary (typical) output of the computer printer.

Maybe my crystal ball is cloudy but mine tells me that HD TV with its format ratio 9:16 (1:1.78). Will have a strong influence on future camera formats and print sizes. Look for prints 8 1/2 wide by 15 inches long. Otherwise just blow off what I say calling it gobbledygook.


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July 06, 2010

 

Alan N. Marcus
  Correctio: 3 x 1.5 = 6
Was to read 4 x 1.5 = 6
Sorry I will stand in the corrnor ---


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July 06, 2010

 
kathleenkparkerphotography.com - Kathleen K. Parker

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  Thank you both very much. You know I have sized photos at 5x7, 8x10, etc and then taken them into these sites but they are always cropped a bit on each side. Then I said, whatever, and took in an 8x12 and cropped it to 8x10 and so forth.........same thing. I am going to have to think about your very helpful info and soak it in. Again, thank you so much, Pamela and Allen.


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July 06, 2010

 

Pamela Njemanze
  Wow Alan, great history knowledge... and the sizing lesson is great too :) Kathleen: Depending on the photo, often I have gotten 11x14 frames matted for 8x10 but still ordered the 8x12 so I can control more how it's cropped (personal preference)rather than trying to do it online and i'm sure some wd disagree, but it will work in some cases. I don't even cut the photo, I just let the extra space sit on the mat. Usually there is no or little price difference in 8x10 or 8x12.


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July 06, 2010

 
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