 Susan M. Smith |
July 2008 EFP Discussion Happy July to everyone! If you are celebrating a Holiday tomorrow, have fun and BE SAFE. The ER is not a lot of fun and I'm pretty sure they won't let you take pictures there....LOL. There will be a lot of discussion on the contest changes and how that relates to EFPs. I am as anxious as everyone else to see how that plays out. Please visit the thread Jim started for additional discussion of the contest changes at: http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.php?threadID=32565 Also, don't forget Cheri's thread (EFP Watch for June #4) for posting your EFPs as you receive them (I hope we still are?): http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.php?threadID=32550 As always, I look forward to hanging out with ya!
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Teresa Norris |
Hi Susan and everybody! Checking in!!
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Christie R. Bielss |
Good morning! Taggin' in. Now, where's my caffeine...........and chocolate.....
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher  Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
Checkin' in.
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Susan M. Smith |
Oh crapola!!!! I totally forgot about a new idea I had!! The contest countdown was always referred to as "Cocktails and Chocolate" which is just fabulous!! Better than the Oscars anyday. I was going to give this thread the same type of permanent name: "CHEERS AND TEARS" - EFP discussion for July 2008...lol After all, everyone here has a pretty good sense of humor :)
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- Elida Gutierrez Contact Elida Gutierrez Elida Gutierrez's Gallery |
PLEASE GO TO NEW DISCUSSIONS!!! We need to take Accion!!
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Sandy Hawkins |
Checking in...........
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Hi all. Love the chit chat. Thanks, Susan.
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Sharon F. Morris |
Checking in :-) Happy 4th to you all.
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Joanne Kramer |
I like to pre judge the EFPs. If I get there before the judge, I am going to "predict" if the photo IMO will be a pick. That way I can participate in "predicting" what the judge will choose. I may be wrong most of the time, but usually I will hit on some. Have a good 4th.
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- Elida Gutierrez Contact Elida Gutierrez Elida Gutierrez's Gallery |
I need some CHOCOLATE!!! Not, a TEQUILA!!! And Happy Independence Day!!!!
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Karen Celella |
Susan, I love the "cheers and tears" title. Thanks for sharing the other threads so we are better informed. Right now I am strongly in the TEARS corner. No EFP's since June 4! I'm devastated!! I was very lucky though because I decided to buy the "Basic" gallery right before the price went up. Whewww! I'm here for the long haul because I love the people here. I'm sure it will all work out in the long run.
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Susan M. Smith |
Djoanne, that is such a neat idea. I'll tell you, offering critique is often one of the best ways to expand your vision, which will only improve your own art. I don't find it easy to do, but then, when is growth ever really comfortable? Some folks in a photo group I belong to (and have been absent from lately...boohoo!!) will often look at each members submissions for the month, then pick their favorite from each. This was so much fun and it was always interesting to see who was right on with their picks! Now, to try and predict the judges, well, I say go for it! What better way to expand your vision and your own work by attempting to see through others eyes!!! Good on you! Elida, there is a different, more accurate way to pronounce Tequila..... To kill ya!!!!!! So stick with your chocolate. At least there are health benefits. That is, until they decide tomorrow that chocolate will kill you too! lol Karen, I too love the cheers and tears. After all, that is what the discussion is about. I've been where you are and no doubt will be again! Most others I've ever heard from have gone through the same. There are so many variables in the judging process here at BP. There are the images that BP tends to favor and those they don't, there are different judges with different tastes at different times on different days! I think the best barometer to go by is your own!! If you really can't figure out what you are "missing" ask someone. There are so many here more than willing to lend you their "eye" if you need it. Dang, there are so many questions in the air right now. Will there still be EFP's, Finalists, 2nd place and so on. I hope that perhaps the contest will see fewer entries and that will improve the judging capabilities. But then, if they eliminate Finalists and 2nd Place, well I'd be a goner, since those are my only "realistic" goals at this time :)
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Joanne Kramer |
Thank you, Susan. I was thinking of a way that viewers could participate in the judging. Who could be offended if we said EFP potential before the judge? I think it would sit better than to rate a photo 10, 8, 7, etc. I would hope others would join me. Just go to "recent entries" and start "judging".
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- Elida Gutierrez Contact Elida Gutierrez Elida Gutierrez's Gallery |
LOL Susan, so chocolate it is, one white chocolate and one Dove chocolate, I couldn't decide. You want some? I have to go. I have to distract miself, today I'll receive my new DSLR camera and this wait it's killing me. Until Monday BPers!!!
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- Elida Gutierrez Contact Elida Gutierrez Elida Gutierrez's Gallery |
Forgot to say, HAPPY INDEPENDECE DAY AND WEEKEND!!!
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Susan M. Smith |
Djoanne, that's a cool reason to just start browsing tons of images too. But how do you keep track? Elida, yes please :))))) Dove for me. But not too much...sounds like you'll need it. Plus I don't want to kill the taste of the tookillya!! hahahaha!
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Samantha L. Dean |
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Joanne Kramer |
Susan, I wrote to BP to ask if a contest entry couldn't remain on the same page instead of being pushed back. That way you could keep track of which page you were on. The way you need to do it now is start on the last page and work forward to where the judges haven't been. BP needs to put in a search for the page # of contest entries so you wouldn't have to go through them all every time. I think it gives one a good idea what the judges go through to do first picks. I don't intend to go all the way and pick a winner....only first picks. We could call it PEP...predicted editor's pick. You see a lot of great photos this way.
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Sharon Sawyer |
Checkin in. Cheers & Tears...love it. LOL Thank you Susan for starting the new thread and directing us to Jim's thread re BP gallery changes. Happy 4th of July to all my neighbors to the south. I met a girl from Boston yesterday who was here for our Canada Day's celebration. To everyone else around the world... Have a Great Weekend. Stay safe !!!
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Susan M. Smith |
PEP, I love it :) It's a great acronym for peer review too, cause if you get a pick it would sorta pep you up! (no I haven't hit the tookillya yet). Sharon, I tried the new gallery but it still has the bugs. I won't like it if we can't see the badges cause then we'd have to cancel these threads! So I will just have to be patient like everyone else :)
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Sandy Hawkins |
Susan...the badges are there now! Go look at Jessica's lovely new gallery.
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Jessica Jenney |
Thanks Sandy! The medallions are there! Yippee!
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Sharon F. Morris |
Only shows up on the large image. Yesterday and this AM I had my Gallery switched over to the new version. And two comment I got on 2 different images showed up as coming form me?? I thought that was really strange.
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Joanne Kramer |
I started my PEPs in the flower category. I like the Peer Editor Pick
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Stephanie Frey |
Just checking in. Just got home and need to take care of the family! Love the name suggestions BTW!
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A P |
Don't yikee to fast Jessica. I couldn't open your pictures up to leave a comment. They still aren't working yet and I'm staying on the classic until ALL is working fine.
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A P |
Could someone please tell me about these Peer Editor Picks you're talking about.
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Joanne Kramer |
I started PEPs so I'll attempt to explain. If you read above here is where I first started to talk about peer's pre judging if a photo, in their opinion, might get an EFP. You can go to Contest, Recently submitted, and a certain category that interests you. Then just start looking at the pages and see if you can predict which photos will get EFP. I just type in PEP....peer editor pick. later when the EFPs come out by the "real" judges, you can see if you "judged" correctly. You don't hurt anyone's feelings with a rating, and you don't have to leave a lengthy comment. At least someone knows you like their photo and saw it in the contest. I hope that explains what I would like to see happen here for more peer input.
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David Van Camp |
I think "favorites" could easily serve the peer picks concept, however, what's missing is any BP page to let people know what images are the top fav submissions of the current contest month ... right now, one can see a list of all time favs, but, obviously that favors pics that have been up a long time and most likely contest winners (would expect, not having checked.) dvc
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A P |
Oh thank goodness Djoanne. I thought it was the next "change" BP was handing down. Actually it's the next thing I expect to change. We'll be voting on each others pictures and it will turn into a complete popularity contest. UGH!!!
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Joanne Kramer |
This is second guessing the judges...if they do EFPs. The Editors have the final and only say so it won't be a popularity contest. If it were, I wouldn't win that's for certain. LOL
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Karen Celella |
"Karen stop Boo-Hooing. I just checked out your Gallery and there is NO WAY your not going to get the badge for that Heron. It's incredible." "Karen trust me. If it doesn't get the badge I'll scream "recount" right along with you." Ann, it's official, the Heron did NOT get an EP!! Boo Hoo Hoo
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Sandy Hawkins |
Boo hoo hoo here too! My darling fawn image "Waiting for Mom" got passed over too! I was really surprised on that one!
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Karen Celella |
Oh Sandy, I'll share my tears with you. "Waiting for Mom" is wonderful. Mine is called "Coming Home" and it's actually an Egret, not a Heron, but I didn't want to confuse the issue with Ann. LOL
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Joanne Kramer |
I love my Daisy Refresher photo. If I don't get at least an EFP soon, I will be in shock. I did have a gallery full of EFP and then deleted them all to have a fresh start. And now I'm unable to get one back. One thing I spend too much time here, but what the heck, I'm retired.
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Jessica Jenney |
Sandy! I can't believe it didn't get an EP!! Resubmit! Actually I've seen an image rebubmitted 3 times and went on the get a First Place Win!
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Susan Fox |
Karen are you open to a slight critique on Coming Home? If so let me know :-)
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Sandy Hawkins |
Thank you Karen for sharing my tears and Jessica for sharing my shock at them passing it over. I will resubmit....how long should I wait? Karen...your Coming Home is very nice as well!
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Karen Celella |
Susan, I would love a critique! It doesn't have to be slight, give it to me in full. That's what I'm here for and wish I could hear much more critique. Otherwise how will I ever improve. Thanks in advance.
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Stephanie Frey |
Does anyone know how to sort the photo order in the new galleries? I went to the old photo sort order, but after I played around in there the photos in the new gallery are still the same. I just don't like the order they came up in once you open each category.
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Sarah G |
Can't sort, yet. See ... http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.php?threadID=32595 They're "talking" about what's working and what's not over there.
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Susan Fox |
Karen I just sent you an email :-)
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Kitty R. Rodehorst-Hanna |
Does anyone else have trouble commenting on peoples images that have tne "new" style? When I bring one of them up there is nowhere to comment on the image! :-( I just tried a few minutes ago! k
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
No you're not alone. I just got an email from Jeana about the same thing, so I'm sure it's everybody..they still have the note up that they're working on stuff, so let's give them some time to see if they fix it.
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Kitty R. Rodehorst-Hanna |
Thanks Carolyn! :-)
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Stephanie Frey |
Thanks Sarah!
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Wendy P |
I haven't checked my gallery in several days so I may be too late on this, but it looks the new gallery layouts now have the efp buttons. I didn't notice that the last time I logged in.
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Sharon Day |
"CHEERS AND TEARS" - EFP discussion for July 2008...lol" As far as names go it just doesn't get any better than that one! Very good, Susan!
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Susan M. Smith |
Thanks Sharon! Now if I don't get working on my pics I'll have to take up writing catchy jingles or thread titles for a hobby...lol I think Cary said something a little ways back about Djoanne's PEP idea. The Favorites had/has limitations, like you mentioned. Also, you can't tell who made your pic a fav, like you can when someone chooses you as a Fav Photog. And then there's the "current" entry issue. Tell you what tho, if BP could make that work, it would be really cool. Unless there is a flip side to that, which I'm sure there is, I probably haven't thought of it yet...lol.
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A P |
Sorry getting back late. Where the heck have I been?? Just sent personal emails out to Karen and Sandy but glad to read on to learn Susan helped Karen with her Egret (sorry don't know my birds very well do I VBG) Karen you did a beautiful job on it too. And if Susan ever wants to help me I'm ready to listen anytime. VBG Sandy I totally agree with Jessica. Re-submit because that is just a lovely wildlife capture. So boo-hoo to those who should have gotten 'em but didn't, congrats to the ones that did deserve 'em and got 'em, and for the others we'll just sit and scratch our heads. I have 3 nieces coming into town to run around LA in 109 weather. Wish me all luck I don't pass out. And I apologize in advance for my lack of comments in the days to come.
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Susan Fox |
Looks like the Editor's First Picks are no longer there. The page comes up but no photos. Wonder what that means???? www.betterphoto.com/gallery-editors-current.php
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A P |
Hopefully just another glitch. Hopefully it's not because they are doing away with them because that would truly BREAK MY HEART!!
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
They're still in our galleries, so probably a glitch.
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Sharon F. Morris |
I don't like the fact that the new galleries do not have a comment button.
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Wendy Moghadam |
I wonder if they are still doing ep, its very very quiet in here
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A P |
Susan I just tried that link again and it still shows nothing. So is this their way of telling us no more EP's? Is the fact that there is no comment link on the new galleries mean we'll no longer be able to comment? These are two questions I for one would really like to know the answers too. I don't understand why they just won't tell us what their plans are. Why BP?????????
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I think it's premature to say EPs are going away, just because BP has done something to the EP area on BP...they know how much the medals mean to folks...heck, they'd be blind to not see the EP forum threads. I bet we'll see more EPs tomorrow...and if we do, then that should answer your question about EPs... I'm keeping my fingers crossed they're still around.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I just went to the EP Watch post and BP posted a bunch of EPs last night.
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Susan Fox |
But those EFPs were for June photos. It is entirely possible that they will stop with July images. Then again it could just be a glitch. Guess will just have to wait and see. I really wish someone from BP would simply let us know what is going on instead of making us wonder and speculate.
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Steve M. Harrington |
As an added concern, according to Alexander, Travel and Place had 1,988 images entered in May (6.4% of entries), yet there were a mere 13 Finalists (0.65% of T&P entries.) Of course, all but two of the finalists were also winners! I offer this image as an example of a concern that is widely held. I am prepared to take some "shots" over this. Some changes need to be made!
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