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Mary Quite Contrary
 

Strobe, modeling light and umbrella question


Hi! I am looking to invest in a strobe with a modeling light and a white reflective umbrella. I have a Sony camera, nothing professional. My question is how can I fire the umbrella using a regular camera? Can this be done or must I get a camera which has a connector to connect it to the camera? Can it be fired without a direct connection? Thanks so much for your help and interest in my inquiry!


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May 05, 2008

 

W.
 
"Can it be fired without a direct connection?"

Yes, Mary, it can. If your off-camera flashgun has a US$ 10 slave eye, an on-cam ('peanut') flash can be used to trigger it.

HOWEVER,
1) if your on-cam flashgun fires pre-flashes (for AF and light metering)* it will trigger your off-cam flashgun (with the slave eye) to fire BEFORE the shutter opens, wasting its light and NOT illuminating your frame while the shutter is open, and
2) your on-cam flashgun will also illuminate the scene and reflect in every mirroring surface, and
3) you might even get (keep) red-eye.

*pre-flashes are usually so fast that the human eye cannot distinguish them from the main flash. You think you see 1 flash, while there are at least 2.

Have fun!


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May 06, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Mary,
W is quite correct. If you have a hot shoe on your camera you can use the shot to connect to the strobe, either with a wire or with a radio. I prefer not to use the built in strobe, first because of the reason Mr. Smith mentions, but also because the recycle on built in strobes is often several seconds long. This means you miss shots you would have made with a cord or a radio slave. This link (www.siskinphoto.com/magazine4c.html ) goes to an article on sync that appeared in Photo Techniques.
Thanks, John Siskin


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May 06, 2008

 

Pete H
  Mary,

All the answers above are correct.

Which Sony do you have?
I would not worry about recycle times on your Sony if you are just getting into studio lighting. Sooner or later I'm sure you will be looking to purchase a DSLR if you really enjoy portraits etc...

Personally I no longer use a sync cord.

John; your opinion on using the onboard flash to trigger the studio strobes omits a truth. You probablt meant to say "with P&S cameras"

I use my Nikon DSLR on cam flash all the time; BUT I use it at 1/64th output.
The recycle time (at 1/64th is much faster than my studio strobes when used at full output, AND, at 1/64th, there is not nearly enough light to contribute to the shot...Not enough to even cause a catch light!

A radio slave is only one option. There is no way I would be tied to a sync cord. I don't shoot from a tripod when doing portraits, so the cord is wayyyy to restrictive and dragging a cord around is dangerous in my shooting method.

Pre flashes?..Usually only true if red eye reduction is turned on.

W.S "your on-cam flashgun will also illuminate the scene and reflect in every mirroring surface, and you might even get (keep) red-eye."

True with a P&S..NOT true with a DSLR with variable output.


Pete


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May 06, 2008

 

W.
 
"True with a P&S..NOT true with a DSLR with variable output."

You can have one guess what camera type the OP wants this remote flash firing for:
"must I get a camera which has a connector"...


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May 06, 2008

 

Mary Quite Contrary
 
 
 
Hi! I have a sony DSC-N1. What if I were to buy an external slave flash attachment like the Sony HVLFSL1B or something like Metz MZ 52822D 28 CS-2 Digital Flash, although I think the latter is not suited for sony so scratch that. Would the former be a better alterntaive to a strobe setup or would I need the strobe setup in addition? Thanks so much for your input! :)


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May 07, 2008

 

Pete H
  Ok..I looked up your camera model. No hotshoe..The Metz MZ 52822D 28 CS-2 is worfully underpowered for any serious work as far as calling it "studio" work..

Get the outboard strobes, softbox, umbrella..whatever.

Looking at your original question..."Hi! I am looking to invest in a strobe with a modeling light and a white reflective umbrella"..you will have spent in the area of DOUBLE what your camera is worth on a starter strobe/umbrella setup.

Best bet?.Get a better camera. (i.e) a DSLR

Using outboard strobes with light modifiers with your camera is akin to installing bias ply tires on a Ferrari! LOL


Pete


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May 07, 2008

 

Mary Quite Contrary
  Thanks for your input. I am looking into a DSLR but thought I could make some use of this camera. So would getting a DSLR alleviate my need for a strobe/umbrella setup or will they just be easier to fire but still be a necessity? thanks!


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May 07, 2008

 

Pete H
  UNCLE!


anyone else care to try?


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May 07, 2008

 

Mary Quite Contrary
  sorry, I don't mean to be a bother. please don't worry about my question


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May 07, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Mary,
High quality lighting is a joy to create no matter what camera you use to record it. If you start with poor light even the finest camera will give poor results. So you will need good strobes if you want to create fine portraits, or good architectural studies or even good product shots. As a friend of mine once said there is no problem in photography you can't solve by throwing money at it. I teach a class her called Understanding the Tools of Photography Lighting. You may want to take it after you get that DSLR. Thanks, John Siskin


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May 07, 2008

 

W.
 
Mary,

always use appropriate tools for a job. Don't try to hammer nails in with a screwdriver. A Sony DSC-N1 is a snapshot camera to fit your pocket. It doesn't even have a viewfinder. Take snaps with it. That's what it was designed for. Forget making posed portrait photos with it. It was NOT designed for that.

Good luck!


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