 Susan M. Hembree |
Copyright Violations on Flickr FYI...To All Photographers here at BP. It has been discovered that a few albums on Flickr is loaded down with images from BP photographers...particularly winning images. I do believe this is a violation of copyright, especially if you have not given permission for these people to do so. I would suggest that you all do a search of these photos and if you find yours there contact Yahoo. Here are the links to the albums: http://flickr.com/photos/76861508@N00/page9/ http://flickr.com/photos/khanhdung_pooh/page9/ Where to contact Yahoo: http://info.yahoo.com/copyright/details.html
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Susan! I did see one of mine there. What bothers me more than seeing it there is having to send an email telling them to quit it LOL.
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Sarah G |
BP should list this on tomorrow's POTD or in an alert of some sort. They have the means to reach a lot of people with their newsletter e-mail lists, etc.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
People might want to look through here too. Jusst in case. http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/gallery.php?mem=103922
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Sarah G |
Stuff on khandung_pooh appears to be mostly September and October 2005 winners. The site doesn't look to have been used in over a year, but that site states "Some rights reserved" on all the BP photos there. The person is giving permission for other people's work to be used in this manor -- "You are free: * to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
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Corinne M. Thompson |
Gregory what exactly are you trying to say here?
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Siete Meeter |
Thanks, Susan! I did see one of mine there. What bothers me more than seeing it there is having to send an email telling them to quit it LOL.
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher  Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
At least they have our names on them. Usually they don't when they steal one over there. I suppose they just click the send this to a friend button and they have it at their disposal. NOW can we have an option to turn off that send to a friend button?????
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
If you want to see if you're photo is on Flickr...assuming they give you credit...just type your name in the search box. I don't think folks can download from BP; e.g., right mouse click, save as. So, they must be clipping out the pixels with an extraction tool.
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
Sure you can. I'm not going into how to do it, but it can be done.
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KV Day |
Betterphoto helps make it very easy to steal photos with the "share this with a friend" email links. Your going to get more and more of this now. With Genuine fractals program they can enlarge that thumbnail to clear decent size. I stated that in a previous thread that was immediately deleted. BP obviously doesn't want anyone to know.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
Maybe it's the definition of download...I can lift anyone's photo from BP in less than 1 second, using a simple extraction tool. But this is different than "downloading", based on my defintion of "save as." We're saying the same thing...it's easy to lift a picture...no argument there. Admittedly, I've never used the "Share this with a friend" option..
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Todd Bennett |
Corinne, The person Greg is refering to was caught about a year ago with a few stolen photos from another site.
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Sharon Day |
I believe they can lift photos exif and all. I had a friend "steal" one of my photos and put it on his blog just to prove it can be done. I'll have to ask him about that again to see if I'm correct or not. He explained how it's done but I don't recall. It was more involved than a screen shot or right click though.
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Sarah G |
Hope Jim knows the head of Flickr. They need to talk to each other. The stuff was lifted off of BP's site and BP (not just the photographers themselves) needs to ACT. It is well PAST time for the photo industry to stop putting up with it. The music industry ceased putting up with the "little guy" stealing quite a while ago.
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Todd Bennett |
Sarah, Won't happen here. You might get a bandaid; but, nothing more.
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Sarah G |
Yes, I've got a couple of teenagers who have told me that getting the stuff off of this site requires no extractor, or whatever it is that has been discussed. Unfortunately, the best way to avoid copyright violations on the web is to not be on the web. Wouldn't BP love that? Do they care? This is out in the open now. WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
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Sarah G |
I know that Todd. Meaning what you say costs. BP doesn't care to mean what they say. They know that people will still be here paying for the "no response" method of doing business.
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Stan Lubach |
The reason that lifting a photo is so easy is because the URL to the photo can be seen in the source for the html page---just the nature of how the web works. Displaying photos via Flash adds some measure of protection because the user never sees a direct url.
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Sarah G |
Yup! That's what the teens told me and showed me. The URL stuff.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Some of you are blaming Ford for auto theft.
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Sharon Day |
Just as a matter of curiosity, what is BP supposed to do about it? There's still the screen copy. To my knowledge they can't do anything about that. It would be nice to hear some thoughts from someone in management and I think we probably will whenever they get back from doing whatever they're doing. I still think that's why there were so few finalists this time, at least I hope that's why.
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Jerry Frazier |
Here's what BP can do about it. It annoys me that I have to upload my images to the BP server. This is the reason I have not uploaded anything for a long time. I want all my images on my server. Most site allow this. The reason is that I can track when people are linking to my server. So, if they link, I can see where my stuff is. And, as long as they are linking, I don't usually care. It's when I see a download, or theft, where I get pissed. With BP, you can only steal, you can't link. The solution is simple. Allow us to link images into the BP galleries from our own servers.
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Todd Bennett |
Sharon, There's a 99% chance BP will not respond. I'd almost bet a year's sallary on it; but, with my luck, this would be the one time they did address this issue. Quite honestly, I don't know what else BP could do to help. I am fairly computer literate; but, not to this extent. There are things, however, that people can do to protect themselves; but, nothing is 100%. Except not posting on the internet at all. People should only post pics that are at 72 ppi resolution (correct me if that should be dpi, I get the 2 mixed up), which is fine for computer viewing and you might be able to get a good 4"x5" print from one of these if they were stolen. You can attach a watermark from Digimark which is registered with them and can be traced. Once registered it can find all instances where a watermarked photo is used on the internet allowing the photog to take corrective action. Of course, there is registering your photos with the copyrights office which offers you more copyright protection and gives you some backbone if you feel the need to fight a copyright infringment case. Other than this, I don't know of any other protection out there. I've done some limited research on the issue; but, have yet to come up with much.
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Todd Bennett |
Interesting points Jerry. Hadn't thought of that.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
How many regular folks have their own servers?
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Sharon Day |
I don't have a server, Gregory, and I think I'm pretty regular LOL. Thanks, Todd! I've actually head of people that upload 300ppi to BP. I resize to 72ppi. Like you pointed out there's not too much they can do with it. My biggest gripe is having to deal with it. I did leave an message for the person to remove the pic. If they don't then I guess I have to email Flickr and provide the full size file. I have it, it's just a pain.
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Susan M. Hembree |
Ok, just to let you all know that I originated this message as an alert to all photographers here about photos being taken from the site and put on another without authorization. I know if mine were there I would want to know about it. I started to write each individual in private e-mails, but there were just too many people and I just don't have that kind of time on my hands. Hopefully, then this can spread through the grapevine to help protect everyone's interest here. I also hope that this is all this thread will be about and not turn into any kind of sour grapes discussion thread for things that have occurred in the past or things about BP of which they may not yet have found a solution for or have complete control over. I would hope that we will try to keep things positive here at BP. I have also contacted BP technical about this and have confidence that they will do their best to remedy the situation. I have never been disappointed before with any concerns I have had in the past that I have written to them about and hold high what is said in their mission statement concerning honesty and that they do strive to meet the member's needs here in the best possible way. I do believe the BP staff have a great deal of integrity here. This may very well be a pretty large problem to solve in just one day. So, let's be patient and give the BP folks a chance; I'm sure things will get solved to everyone's satisfaction and sooner or later we will hear or see some kind of suitable response.
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Jerry Frazier |
Gregory, I thought all photographers had their own website on a server. You can have one these days for around $8/mo. When I say 'my own server', I mean I rent space on a server. ALOT of space.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
What ppi you upload doesn't matter, I don't think, because they're all displayed the same way. You can't upload an image that's a 300ppi 8x10, and take it off a gallery the same size. You'll just be uploading bigger than necessary file sizes. I put in server in the search, and came up with lists that looked like you could buy an actual server, but looked like you had to have it hooked up to something. Or at least subscribe to something, because it said it cost 380/month(the high one) I didn't read enough to get all the information. But that's one of the reasons that made me come to bp in the first place. I didn't know how you get a website. I knew that there are web designers and web hosters(host), but not about getting your own site. Things like a site going down and who do you call to fix it. Finding out about bp and that maintenance, registering the name, and all that be done for was good for me, since I didn't know anything else. Plus I know somebody that has a site and he said that when he puts something up, he just sends the pictures to someone and tells then where to put them. And I didn't like that. Even if it's not that much to do, I still don't like the 2nd extra step. I'd rather delete or upload whenever I want. It'd be cool to have a server in your own house/apartment if that's possible and something that's financially worth it. I just never knew exactly how it was done.
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Sarah G |
Well, when you comment you keep this thing up near the top of the new category. That's a possitive thing. If we all put the link to this Q&A on our photos the news might get around faster. I'd even consider contacting people if I knew who hasn't been contacted yet.
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Samuel Smith |
my last server was my dog and by the time I got my beer it was half gone.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Some people think starting a thread means some kind of ownership and that you can't evolve into other points that naturally come up. No one to worry about that.
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Debra Booth |
Susan, Thanks for getting the word out about these Flickr sites! I have placed a comment on the one of mine that is being used, and I plan to follow through with an official complaint with Yahoo using the link you also provided.
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Terry R. Hatfield |
After numerous emails to yahoo about the copyright infringement looks like GBPackers447 is no longer active!
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Sharon Day |
Great news, Terry! I haven't looked yet today and was wondering.
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Stephanie Lyons |
The person named "khanhdung_pooh" also stole one of my images from BP. I will have to go through the pain of getting this taken care of, and will do so ASAP. Is this something that we can prevent from happening in the future, or do I need to delete my profile and images from BP completely? With all these comments, it sure would be nice to hear SOMETHING from a representative at BP ... In the meantime, I'd like to thank Alison Greenwood for bringing this matter to my attention. She had to do some investigative work to identify that my image was there, and in turn - she kindly let me know about it. Thank you Ali ... BP ... your comments????
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- Dennis Flanagan Contact Dennis Flanagan Dennis Flanagan's Gallery |
There really isn't anything for BP to comment on. The images are not being downloaded or stolen from BP. The technology to my understanding is not out there to prevent someone from doing a simple screen capture of yours or ANY photo found on the Internet. If BP were selling or giving your work away, you have a valid complaint. But once you put it out there for the world too see, it's also out there for the world to steal.
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Siete Meeter |
Good work!!!GBPackers447 is no longer active!!!!!!
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Sarah G |
I'm sure that this it just the tip of the iceberg. The copyright warning BP flashes up if you back click is only a last ditch effort to work at someone's conscience. Considering that you don't even have to back click to "borrow" the image, I'm sure it does a lot of good. Guess with Stephanie contacted all the people have been contacted on khanhdung_pooh. I contacted some. I still can't find two pics on the site that have white boarders around them--Man behind water drops and hawk in tree. It is OBVIOUS that other people's stuff has been copied to that gallery too...so who knows.
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Sarah G |
I found this link listed on BP by Eloise Gregory when I was "wandering around" BP. It is interesting if your interested in the "Photonapping" stuff. It does deal mostly with amateur stuff but, I also think the end of the article discusses a trend in photography. It's got some "food for thought" if nothing else. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/08/AR2008010804626.html
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- Cora Miller Contact Cora Miller Cora Miller's Gallery |
Susan, thank you for posting this. And Sarah, thank you for notifying me. I have contacted Yahoo regarding all 10+ photos that were in khanhdung_pooh's gallery and was successful in having his gallery removed from the Flickr site.
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Sarah G |
Great news! I had noticed that a few of the pics had been removed a couple of days ago. It is great that the site is gone. Glad you were able to get it done Cora.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
from the article "For Niall Kennedy, the issue was hypocrisy -- the casual smugness with which corporations seemed to say, Copyright? What copyright? " That's like the lady that got caught poaching photos in BP. Her and her family had that attitude.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Correction. She and her family.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
One other thing about that article. I notice that, even though the actual size wasn't indicated, Virgil Records was able to steal a photo of the internet and make a printable ad with it. I knew with the increase in web based businesses that poaching photos would become more prevalent, with no resolution problems. Maybe there's ways to get quality printable images from a sized-for-web pictures, if you have the money to pay for what's needed.
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Jesse C. Plummer |
Sadly, the right click prevention does not work with ALL web browsers. I won't divulge the names of those that ignore it but they're out there.
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William F. Clair |
I can right click on any BP picture using the new gallery. These downloaded photos can be used for beautiful cards to be sold in any store. This is a common use of stolen photos. The site in question is making money off the Google Ads above the stolen photo. Click on a link and they get paid. Also, look at the high number of posts these people (one has over 36,000 posts)have. And they are site Admin and moderators. If you think your stolen photos are not being used to make money...think again.
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Stephanie Lyons |
Yeah ... I think it's long overdue that I just remove my images from BP ... they already got me once that I know of ... who knows how many more images of mine are floating around out there because of these galleries. Bye all ... good luck to you.
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William F. Clair |
Stephanie, you have removed all your photos from your gallery. However, I can still download any and all your photos. Please contact me if you would like to know how I do this...William F Clair
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William F. Clair |
All 157 of them!!!!
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Stephanie Lyons |
Sigh ... yes, please do enlighten me if you would. I sent you my email address earlier. Thank you for the help!
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David Van Camp |
There is a solution to unauthorized web publication of images, but, I'm afraid it won't be available to any us non-pros (or, at least, those of us not willing to spend the very high cost...) It's called watermarking, but it's a different kind of watermarking than putting your copyright text in the image. Basically, a registered code is imbedded invisibly in the image. Then, search engines (of which google is not, but easily could be one) regularly scour the web and inspect images for those invisible 'watermark' codes. If found, a database look-up identifies the registered owner of the image and can notify or provide an on-demand list to the owner of all such occurances for each registered image. Such technology is already in place, and has been for quite some time. But it is expensive. dvc
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