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Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
 

Healthy Critique


Hello,

Can some of you please take a look at my pics and give me a healthy critique.. . the good, bad, and ugly... I love and want it all. .

I posted a pic in the critique section above this one, but despite my "Success" messege upon posting, I see no picture.. hmm?

Thanks so much!


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10/29/2007 12:19:16 AM

 
W.   
We don't see no pitcher either, Amanda!

Kinda tough critiqueing . . .


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10/29/2007 9:39:46 AM

 
William Schuette
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2006
  Hi Amanda, I looked through your gallery. You have a lot of nice compositions in there. A couple I didn't think worked so well were the portions of wedding dress but that may just be me. Skin tones looked a little off so I was wondering what color settings you were using and whether you were shooting raw. They looked a lot like your were shooting raw in color mode II which often leave skin tones a little dark and red. You may also be just slightly underexposing. A lot of your portraits appear to be backlit. Are you using a reflector or fill flash to get some light back into the face without overexposing the background? Just some thoughts. I enjoyed looking at your gallery.

Bill


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10/29/2007 10:26:10 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Hey W,

no I meant in my gallery, I did post a pic up in the critiqueing blog section above thise blog section, but hadn't seen it last night after posting.

Thanks Bill I'll take another look at those, The sections of dress were of special request to have details caught up close. I am capturing the images in RAW mode and that does explain why this dark complected girl looks so much darker in the pics..
I think I did have underexposing in mind, to prevent from overexposing.. I was exposure compensating for my exposure compensator... lol. .. oh that was a bad joke. . . :)

no reflector just trying to sucessfully bounce my fill flash off the correct surfaces. .. thanks so much...


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10/29/2007 12:02:38 PM

 
William Schuette
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2006
  Amanda, Sounds like you are a textbook case of overcompensating. Anyway, I often find that converting from 16 bit images to 8 can cause some shifts in color and contrast. Also, you need to check the color profile of the picture you are posting. The web works on sRGB but I work in AdobeRGB and if I fail to convert the profile of the 8 bit jpeg I am posting, it often comes out too dark on the web. Now I convert the profile of the jpeg to sRGB and lose some color and contrast that I have to compensate for with a curves or levels adjustment so that theposted picture looks pretty much like what I have on my monitor. Finally, I have not found that I really need to bounce fill flash as it is not intended to overcome the ambient lighting. Try using it straight on and if it is too much dial down the flash value 1/3 to 2/3 of a stop.

Bill


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10/29/2007 4:52:09 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  When you say 16 bit do you mean RAW?
So, in cases where i'm indoors and the colors are already vibrant and bright, there's no need to shoot in RAW mode? Would that save me trouble in the post processing steps?

Thanks for those other tips I took notes on it...

Do you think the bridal sessions look to photoshopy? I'd like to create that glowy feel, but after staring at them for so long I can't tell if I went too far...?

Thanks!
Amanda


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10/29/2007 6:46:32 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  unless your idea is to depict your photos in a cloudy,surreal state,they are not sharp.
you seem to lack a passion or vision?the idea I took this shot and why doesn't it work..
if you want photoshoppy,and a grasp of what?you need to explain.
decent shots are just that,and I have many...


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10/29/2007 9:21:16 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Well, when one is in a learning mode, it is sometimes hard to depict thier passion or vision correctly, does not mean they don't have it.
I actually was trying to depict a luminescent soft focus feel for those bridal shots, I know they aren't sharp because I used a soft focus filter on them. I don't want photoshoppy - I am trying to learn the proper balance between, hence- learning mode.


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10/29/2007 9:51:13 PM

 
William Schuette
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2006
  Amanda, 16 bit refers to the amount of color information that is used. If you go in photoishop under image . mode you will see selections for 16 bit or 8 bit. Raw files, PSD and Tiff files can be 16 bit. Jpegs can only be 8 bit. So when you convert a 19 bit image to an 8 bit image you are losing a large number of shades of color that the computer has to decide what to replace it with and sometimes can cause the picture to look flat. The main advantage of shooting raw is that it gives you far more ability to adjust exposure, white balance, color and saturation in the computer. I liked the attempt on the soft focus and thought ity worked on the picture. Some of the pre wedding shots were so sharp they could benefit from a little clean up work on some of the brider's blemishes - no one has perfect skin. Don't try to make it perfect, just clean up the more distracting blemishes. As far as Samuel, I don't know what his problem is, but from his gallery his passions are obviously his dog (really cute) and the saturation slider (ughhh).

Bill


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10/30/2007 5:09:11 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  thanks so much! you're very helpful...
Basically when convert down from a higher bit to the Jpeg 8 bit you'll need to go in and adjust for what was lost in that conversion. Beacause otherwise it takes away too much and will kill your effort at a nice shot. How can you tell sharpness once they've already been soft focused? (I might be a text book case for over doing that too- yikes!)

Thanks!


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10/30/2007 10:21:07 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  "As far as Samuel, I don't know what his problem is, but from his gallery his passions are obviously his dog (really cute) and the saturation slider (ughhh)."

What?! Did Sam get photoshoppy with his pictures?


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10/30/2007 12:38:45 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Hey, hold on a sec... I'm asking for help from other experienced photographers whom I may see as mentors... not for insults and back and forth jabs.. Did I not say "please critique me" that means I know I need help, not "im an expert- no one compares" c'mon now. . .


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10/30/2007 3:34:40 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  I have asked a pretty direct and honest question, go ahead and answer I promise I wont cry... :) I need this to help learn, and your eyes are as good many. . . go ahead and say if you think some of them are too photoshoppy...


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10/30/2007 3:47:27 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  hey amanda,
take your portraits pic.the light on the guy ain't complimentary.yes he is exposused well,but either the background is blurred or in focus,not kinda washed out,semi in focus.part of the photo or not.f8 ain't bad..then you want to shoot at mid day?
the pose was good,the light was bad.dappled and soft works much better.
oh the bantor.me,or I and photoshop?oil and water...i can crop now so the world really needs to be wary.
I suggest you visit all the galleries of the people who respond to your question,ask for help from a gallery you enjoy and can help you.
why clean or correct a problem?you'll be fine,it's just a learning curve.
sam
ahh greg


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10/30/2007 9:56:52 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Thank you Sam, notes taken.. .


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10/30/2007 11:36:21 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  hey bill,
they are just photos in my gallery.your cheap accusation that I was in someway enhancing them...kinda rude.well downright bogus.you insinuate I missed the real class on light and capture.that shutter speed/aperture available light,and being there doesn't combine to show those results?without filters,to be so patient as to look for conditions?not fair..
clueless in fairmount.


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10/31/2007 9:49:04 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  Hey Amanda...I'm not into shooting weddings (done 2) but I found that going through those overpriced boring wedding magazines that women insist on buying when their BF asks for their hand....are a great guides. In looking at the wedding photos I just am not feeling the angles and photos...doesn't mean they're not good. To me a great photo captures your eyes then causes you to feel some type of emotion...A great wedding photo should bring you back to that time or make you wish you were there.


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10/31/2007 10:41:29 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Hello, Thanks for taking a look! I agree, (I should specify on those shots) Some of them (small bridal preparation day) were requests to get details of the dress, which she is in love with. I understand your observation since I didn't specify. Notes taken, helps me see through different eyes. . Thank you..


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10/31/2007 10:49:27 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  "...your cheap accusation that I was in someway enhancing them...kinda rude.well downright bogus..."


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11/1/2007 12:11:20 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Are you up a little late Gregory? :)


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11/1/2007 12:29:48 AM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  i guess the bit of personal assualt did kinda offend me greg.but if you could please point out in my post where I went wrong?
concern?
a lie?
i know photoshop?
so a typicl assualt on a gallery,unfounded and false should be ignored?
you splain that to me and yourself.i really want to hear it?
now I apoligize to amanda for cluttering up her thread.even though I am a party to the fault.
bob


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11/1/2007 9:33:17 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  A pair is two
A shoe is wear
The left shoe is right
But the other is where?



Schisms


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11/2/2007 1:04:07 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Hey Gregory,

I went back and took another look through your eyes, and I am changing some things that I've done ESPecially with those bridal shots. . It's cool to see how as you progress along you change and shape your views and perceptions.

Thanks!


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11/2/2007 1:16:23 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  My eyes?
Is that a rental?


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11/2/2007 9:04:02 AM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  Obviously Greg, Amanda is wise enough to realise she's going to have to change her angles and bring a dog to the next wedding she photographs....that way both you and Sam will like her photos....Hahaha. I just had to say that but I know you're both laughing


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11/2/2007 9:36:42 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  "Hahaha. I just had to say that but I know you're both laughing"

Nah, but you hear an echo better when you're the only one, so that's probably it.
I haven't said anything about her pictures. I was talking about Samand the other guy said. (It's all in the riddle.?)

But if she wants my opinion she can have it.


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11/2/2007 11:05:59 AM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Opps no, I meant Oliver... I borrowed his eyes..


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11/2/2007 12:05:24 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  Thank you Oliver...

It looks like the other guys are getting lost in each other.. . I got 3 good individual opinions out of this thread...not bad I suppose.. lol..


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11/2/2007 12:09:46 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  Isn't it funny when I'm considered the SERIOUS guy....that would have saved at least 3 helpless relationships....but they were really attractive.......


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11/2/2007 12:41:16 PM

 
William Schuette
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2006
  Sam, for an example of rude, just re-read your initial post. It was not only rude but lacked any insight whatsoever. If you can't be complimentary at least try to be helpful otherwise your just borish.

Bill


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11/2/2007 3:21:22 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  this is print.
lacks the smile on the face of the person posting,catch that little bit of quaint sarcasm through a look.even a raised eyebrow.
if I offended amanda,that's her call,not yours.she has the option of contacting me and saying i'm rude,yet could I explain.or shut up!
so I was the bad and the ugly as per request?thought I played the part pretty well.the rest of you feathered friends seem to have a problem with that?like someone else here just re-post what someone else says and makes fun of them?amanda needs to think and challenge herself,then she will get better.
ah the name calling,geeeez.


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11/2/2007 8:18:13 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  "...like someone else here just re-post what someone else says and makes fun of them?"

Quoting and satirizing the irony.


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11/3/2007 8:03:43 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  W.S....I just love the fact that I'm outing them.....I'm better than a CIA Spy.......I like it when you call me Big Papa.....


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11/3/2007 9:07:43 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  I like SEX.....thats alllll SEXXXXX


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11/3/2007 9:16:20 PM

 
Amanda  M. Freese
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/18/2007
  what in the world are you guys talking about?


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11/3/2007 9:23:59 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Me, that second cartoon illustrates what I'm talking about.
Oliver, you'll have to ask him. Think he's been drinking.


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11/3/2007 9:37:54 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  hahaha.....OK you're right.....can't hide it..
wait....him or me....????? who was drinking????


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11/4/2007 1:49:58 AM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  how is rude going there bill?she seems fine with my post.even although I intended to help,your perception was different.ah well.
but i'm sure you critiqued at least one of her photos?aaaah.
not a shot,a question.well,not even a question.
sam,the pot calling the kettle black..


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11/4/2007 7:24:24 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Okay, I was going to give you some time to see if you'd get it. But let's look at it closer.
You have always dismissed everyone's photos that have used a digital camera as being faked, only relying on photoshop, not being real, or something to that effect.
Now, contrast that with what we have here. We have somebody that says of your pictures that they look like, as he put it,"...his passions are obviously his dog (really cute) and the saturation slider (ughhh)."
And your response to that is you say they are "cheap accusations", "...bogus..", and this is the really good one,"...you insinuate I missed the real class on light and capture.that shutter speed/aperture available light,and being there doesn't combine to show those results?without filters,to be so patient as to look for conditions?not fair.."
So now that the shoe is on the other foot(answer to the riddle), you have a problem with it.
Full of it.


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11/4/2007 9:46:59 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  full of it.why make that conclusion,to take a shot?
so your ok with the galleries you see with all the editors picks?
somebody just assumed and took a shot?one person puts the shoe on the other foot.naah.more like a misunderstanding.
or hopefully not jealousy.apparently I offended.i do expect it.a challenge.
challenge me greg,i understand my answers aren't textbook,hate professors.authority figures.i listen with one ear,a flaw.
so someone took a shot,bite me was my initial response,now,i am ok,anyone any different?the ol count to ten.


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11/5/2007 9:20:22 PM

 
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