 Sharon Day |
EFP Watch I can not believe this but I do not get an EFP every day :o)! So lazy me doesn't have to search out galleries of those that do get daily EFP's I'm hoping for a daily update here. Thanks for playing along!
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Diane Davis |
I just got one for the 24th.
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Diane!
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Sylvia Rossler |
Got one on the 25th :o)
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Philip Frederiksen |
Nice thread :-) Also got one from the 25th
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
At least now I have a place to cry. LOL
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Susie Peek-Swint |
26th are out :)
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Glad you started this thread, Sharon. My last EFP was the 19th, I believe. So since mine submitted on the 24th doesn't have a button, I guess it didn't make the cut. I keep watching, but it is nice to know when they come out.
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Tressie Davis |
I like this thread too, thanks for starting! I have an entry from the 23rd that apparently didn't make the cut, but I didn't enter another until the 28th....I'm anxious to see!
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Sharon Day |
Thanks everyone! I really appreciate you all responding. My last one was the 22nd so I'm way behind in them and like I mentioned, I'm too lazy to go looking for them in other galleries :o)!
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
8/22 last one for me too, so far, Sharon. :( Bummed that, like you, I do not get one a day! hehe
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Sharon Day |
Hey Chris, I've noticed some of those that get them every day sign their photos. Maybe we should start signing our photos??? :D
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Kara L. Hendricks |
I sign mine... And I don't get one everyday...lol
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Sharon Day |
Oh shoot, I knew someone would come along and tell me this won't work LOL. One can dream :D.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I have a question..........I have resubmitted a few images from previous months for the Aug. contest. They already had EFP's. So, besides cuising thru the EFP's, is there anyway to know if it made an EFP for Aug? I did happen to see one of my resubmits in the EFP's but not others. I was just wondering if anybody has any other ideas on the resubmits.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
THe latest I have is for the 25th, but my submission from the 26th was resubmit that already had an EP. I do not think there's a way to determine if a resubmited "EP" made it thru the first round of a subsequent month.
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Susan Fox |
I don't have one on the 26th. At least not yet :-)
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Philip Frederiksen |
HAHA Susan :-) Me niether
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Just found one on my 26th...
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Chris! Obviously I'm not getting them or I'd post when they come out LOL.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
27th appeared on mine, today...
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Sharon Day |
Oh my goodness! I haven't had one since the 22nd. They've forgotten me :o)! Thanks Chris! Thanks for the 25th update, Ken!
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
My dry spell is over now that I have a button for the 27th. (Nothing 20-26)
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Sharon Day |
Congrats, Les! I'm glad to hear your dry spell is over! Guess I can't complain (shouldn't anyway) but I just love those little buttons :o). I have a few up to the 22nd.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Nothing for me on the 24th. I had resubmits from the 25th to the 28th and a new one on the 29th. Are the buttons out for the 29th yet?
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Debra K. Johnson |
I do not think so.
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Tressie Davis |
EFPs for the 28th are out...
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Colleen Farrell |
I noticed an interesting thing ... I had an EFP on a photo (in July), but it lost it when they were still having glitches in the system. I resubmitted the photo (in Aug) and it didn't get an EFP button the second time. So, since BP has fixed the missing EFP glitch, that means either they can change their minds and remove an EFP, or different judges are looking at the entries at different times.
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Tressie!!! Colleen, I think mine go missing before I get to see them ;)! I haven't seen one since the 22nd :O)! I really want to thank everyone for posting when they see them. This makes it really easy to keep up with them. Congrats to those of you who are getting them and good luck getting a few finalists from them!
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I think they have really cut back on the number of EFPs they are handing out. Up until about the 19th when things ground to a screeching halt for several days, I was averaging EFPs on half my entries and had been ever since they began using the buttons that told me for sure which were picked. I did get one on the 19th but have only had one since then--on the 25th. Maybe I have just had a lot of weak entries lately, but as I look through the comments here and also through others' galleries, I wonder.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I started to doubt myslef as well. Last month (July now)I was getting tons of EFPs and won 5 finalist. August may be a dry month for me and I have not changed my style of skills. Maybe new judges with new picking styles? My two MT theme images for August we some of the best I saw posted in the category and I did not get an EFP for them. They were some of my best work. I can't wait to see what wins.
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Susan Fox |
I had 23 entries and have gotten 14 EFPs so far. There are 5 photos I am waiting on since they haven't done those dates yet. Seems to be about the same EFPs as I got last month.
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Sharon Day |
Nikki's comment, "weak entries" and Les' comment, "started to doubt myself" really disturbs me. There is a LOT to this contest I will never understand. I know of a gallery that has an EFP since they started handing them out for nearly every single photo. Now why is that? Does this person excel so much more than the rest of us? I'm sorry but the answer is no. While I have to say I like their work it is not better than MANY members who do not get medals every single day, it's no better than some who rarely get medals. Why you ask would this person be so blessed with medals? That is a mystery none of us will ever know, but realistically it makes them no better than those of us who aren't getting medals every day. Just luckier. Sour grapes? Maybe, but even if I was the one with an EFP medal for nearly every entry I would not not consider my work better than many who aren't receiving them. I would just consider myself luckier. I do not doubt my photos aren't good enough to win. I am just not getting the medals for whatever reason. Unlucky? Probably :D. DO NOT EVER allow the results of this contest to doubt your work.
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Colleen Farrell |
Sharon, you make a good point. As a beginning photographer, I have to admit that I do doubt my abilities if a photo isn't acknowledged with an EFP or better. On one hand, that's been good for me--it inspires me to improve my technique and stretch creatively. On the other hand, I always see fabulous photography on the web, in books, etc. by professional, successful photographers that I *know* would not win a BP contest. As much as I like BP and enjoy the contest, I think there is a certain "look" that gets recognized by the judges. So I'm sure the BP winners aren't the only great photos on this site. :D
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Sharon Day |
Colleen, I have an old issue of Outdoor Photography with some of David Muench's work featured. Several shots of his landscapes looked to be taken during the day. Gorgeous shots too, but I looked at those and shook my head in sadness...they wouldn't even get an EFP at BP LOL! You rarely see wins in the N&L category that were taken during the daytime.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I agree with you Sharon. We shouldn't let getting or not getting an EFP to dictate how we judge our own work. There are several images in my gallery that don't have buttons. Some never even got comments. But becasue I like them, they will stay in my gallery. I've noticed some people have deleted all images except those with buttons. I won't do that. My gallery is my gallery and if I like an image and believe in it, that is enough for me. Sure, I like the buttons, it's like a pat on the back, but I don't let it discourage me. If nothing else, it helps me to improve. And remember....there are so many entries into the contest that some really nice ones will be overlooked.
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Debra K. Johnson |
I know how everyone feels it can get discouraging at times.
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Margie Hurwich |
Sherry, you are so right! My month of August was spent entering photos that I've entered previously. Some with EFP buttons, some without. Out of the 11 that were submitted without EFP buttons, I got 6 added. I was thrilled...but that doesn't mean I don't like the others any less.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I agree with Sherry too. It's amazing watching folks' galleries--all the non EP shots are now missing, as if they're inferior. It's your gallery; you should keep what YOU like.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
One for the 29th appeared overnight...
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
28th No, 29th YES!
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Sharon Day |
Finally!!! LOL!
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Debra K. Johnson |
Ditto... 28th No, 29th YES! LOL!
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Colleen Farrell |
Ditto, ditto! :) Hey, do you think that means nobody was on EFP watch on the 28th? LOL
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Tressie Davis |
I got the 28th, but not the 29th...guess I have to be different. :-)
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Tressie Davis |
Ok, apparently sometime between my last post and now I DID get an EFP for the 29th...
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Sharon Day |
This is a first...I get to announce the 30th is out :).
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Susan Fox |
I got one for the 29th and 30th too. Now I am just waiting on the 31st and then I'll know my EFP number for August. So far I have 16 out of 23 entries. Not too bad.
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Sharon Day |
That's good, Susan! I think I have 15 and entered 31 times last month.
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Sharon Day |
31st is out!
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
...and still coming; 10 minutes ago, my 31st didn't have one... now it does.
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Tressie Davis |
Same here...
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Colleen Farrell |
I do think the judges are getting pickier; either that or there is somebody new looking at the entries because it does seem like they're picking fewer EFPs. I'd love to know whether it's still about 1/2 the total number of entries ... anyway, I've been looking through galleries of some great BP photographers, and there are plenty of photos that should have EFPs that don't. I just don't understand why the judges haven't asked for my opinion yet! LOL
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cj patterson |
it seems that not getting EFPs has now become like not getting a finalist...we all know that there are plenty of wonderful photos that are overlooked for finalists each month, so it stands to reason that some will be overlooked for EFP as well. while I think its great that bp is doing something to recognize some of those photos that don't make it on to finalisits and wins, it now appears that ppl are getting discouraged and frustrated if they don't receive a EFP. I say keep doing what you love and shooting what you love...Its been proven time and again that a photo that goes one month without recognition could be recognized another month. It happened to me. One photo, I really believed in was overlooked twice and I kept resubmitting and it finally made second place... Shoot for yourself and what appeals to your heart and you can't go wrong...Although, I do believe in learning the rules and becoming more techincal competent as well as artistically and think we should all strive to improve, but its okay to break the rules every once in awhile...sometimes the beauty lies within breaking the rules...and if it gets recognized great, if not, great...if it satisfies you as an artist, then it's a winner in my book, with or without a silver or gold medal...
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Colleen Farrell |
I'm not discouraged or frustrated in the slightest. I just enjoy speculating on the mysteries of the contest. In fact, if I knew exactly who the judges were and exactly how they judged the entries, the whole thing would be a lot less fun for me.
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Sharon Day |
I enjoy the speculation and mysteries too, Colleen! I suspect knowing the judges and their preferences wouldn't really matter. I guess it's something to do when passing the time at the computer. I don't watch much TV. I don't have time to LOL.
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Revonda L. Gentry |
I have to disagree with CJ because getting an EFP is nothing like getting a finalist or winner...and so is not getting one! lol
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cj patterson |
great...i am glad to here this revonda and colleen...i wouldn't want people out here to get discouraged just because they didn't get a EFP...or finalist or place for that matter...i think EFP is encouraging and lets people know they are on the right track which is a good thing!!!
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I agree with Revonda. Getting an EFP is really nice, but a finalist or winner is WOWEEEEEEE, makes one do flips and cartwheels in your living room and your family thinks you have totally flipped out. But, like I said before, I shoot for MYSELF first and if the judges like it, great, if not, I STILL like my images, even if I'm the only one in the whole world who does. Afterall, WHO do you shoot for????
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Kathleen Rinker |
Amen Sherry, I couldn't agree with you more.
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Sharon Day |
I saw one for 9/1...not mine :(.
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John Caruso |
Well, my entry for 9/1 was a repost of a photo that already had an EFP. At least it didn't LOSE it, LOL!
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Steve M. Harrington |
I think there is some confusion from the lingering memory of EFPs. When they were first instituted they were a dime a dozen and were, I think, casually selected by whoever was "at the switch" when the image was uploaded. EPs are a different matter. BP has said they are the images that have passed the first round of judging. I asked and was told that EPs are selected by the judge who is doing the category the image was entered in. That makes sense. The idea that a couple of individuals could screen acceptable images in all categories would discredit the contest. Personally, I would like to be able to shut off my EP medals. I want people to study my images at face value and fear the medals may create a bias. Along with looking "busy," I think they create the impression that those images are superior. Yet, some of what I consider my best work has received no EP. Don't get me wrong. I want to receive EPs in hopes of doing well in the contest. I just would prefer to get rid of the gaudiness and have people view my work.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I agree with Steve 100%. Not getting an EP button does not mean your image has less value...it just means it does not appeal to the Judges. Take the MT for example...what is the Judge looking for? You may have the best image, technically speaking, but if it does not have that "kid running on the beach" that the judge is looking for...oh well, you’re out! It’s so subjective! I dropped three images into last month Theme and not one got an EB button. And I know technically they were perfect because I went out deliberately to shoot for the theme. FYI: This coming from someone who last month got 4 finalists and 1 second place. I know my images are good…but I can’t read minds. LOL I can't wait to see what they were looking for!, not judging on.
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Steven E. Ray |
I emailed BP support three days ago on this very issue wondering if my gallery was suddenly blacklisted for some reason :) I think I am putting up some of my best work and zilch. Albeit, last month they were handing out medallions like candy, this month, the judges are asleep it seems. Not that the EFP medallions are that which supports ones photography skills, but at the same time, it is a valid question to ask "why many then suddenly none?". Any person with a value system will immediately want to know why the sudden change in recognition. I ran through the EFP gallery and found most are mid to late August, but only found one for 9/1. Therefore something is either technically amiss, staff on vacation, or BP initial award recognition is severely squelched. If anyone gets a clear answer, please post a response!
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
I think you'll find that they simply work in waves... whether that means daily compiling of EP's, but not daily activation of the medals, or, playing "catchup" every few days, by going through the accumulated entries up to that point, and picking EPs... (I suspect a mixture of both, actually!) And with September being Summit month, I think they're even busier than usual! Sharon once suggested they used to make a second sweep at the end of each month, to go back and give one last looked for any overlooked great images... I have an EFP on my 9/1 entry, but it was an August entry, resubmitted 9/1; so I really don't know if it was an EP under September (since I've not heard 9/2 has been processed) or, if it could be the result of Sharon's "sweep" idea... Any of the 9/1 EPs out there, on first-time-uploaded, 9/1 entries? Ah, such mysteries!
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Sharon Day |
You know what, Chris...when I mentioned they used to make a 2nd sweep it was long before there were jillions of entries. I bet that is no longer possible. Does anyone know how many entries there were for August?
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
39,988 entries according to Janine, who checked at midnight, PST, 8/31. I'm happy to count my 9/1 EP as a September EP... just wasn't sure if the possibility still existed that they did a "final once-over."
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Chris! I wonder if that's a record month? I don't keep track anymore. I just have a feeling they pick them and move on. I still do not delete my photos from the previous month until after the winners have been announced just in case.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
In the 21 months I've been entering & keeping track, it is a record, by a significant jump over the previous high of just over 29,000. (And when I started, they were around 21,000 per month, so I don't imagine it was ever above 30,000 until now.)
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Sharon Day |
Looks like at some point in time they will need to limit entries. I know a lot of people HATE that idea, but I don't see how they can keep up with the growth. I would rather see them limit the entries than be so late getting the results out.
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Debra K. Johnson |
I agree with you Sharon. Or we will need alot more editors & or judges.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I may get slapped for this...LOL...but if you limit the entries to, say, 15 a month, some folks will lose interest in checking out BP every day. And there's the perception that less entries means a more thorough look by BP staff. Heck, it could allow BP to cut back personnel to save costs, cause there's less photos to look at. There's a flip side to every coin. Before they displayed EPs, it wasn't an issue. Now, the lack of EPs, or a delay in the EP process, implies that BP isn't as thorough in their looks. Or, maybe it's always been like this...My vote is to leave things as is, cause a change could be for the worse.
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Sharon Day |
I personally wouldn't mind them limiting the entries but at one time I would have been seriously bummed. I agree it would probably cause people to lose interest and might not be the best idea when it comes to traffic.
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Steven E. Ray |
This is the response I received from support less any reason why there is minimal review activity "Thanks for your email. I am sorry there are those frustrated by the Editor's picks process. There is no way we could be ignoring anyone's particular images, or any photographer in particular, as we are not at all aware of the photographer at any time in the judging process." This didn't really address my question as to why the EFP does not appear active, but it does offer a snippet of the process :) With double the entries and the Summit this month, I am guessing they lack sufficient eyes to equal the task.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
One last comment..then I'll retreat...BP is a business. I think the contest is an anchor. The more folks that enter the contest, the better the chance that folks will sign up for $$ galleries or get enrolled in classes. If you limit the participation in the contest, then folks will go to other web sites. It would be the first domino to fall. Again, my personal opinion and I'm open to the counter arguments for limiting participation in the contest.
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Sharon Day |
I agree with you, Ken! When I say I wouldn't mind if there was a limit I sure wouldn't try to impose that on anyone else. I am not quite as addicted to the contest as I once was, but those EP or EFP buttons has about got me hooked again. Not sure that's a good thing or a bad thing LOL. BTW, don't retreat too far :)!
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Sharon Day |
Steven, your mini pic just cracks me up! I love dachshunds.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
LOL Sharon. Thanks for the support. I think you (and most of us) took the EP hook, line, and sinker..look at the interest it's generated on a "daily" basis... :-) Heck, we even have a forum thread just trying to keep up with when BP posts EPs, so we can keep the interest running! And people are deleting their "non EP" photographs, as if they're inferior. Who would have predicted EPs would have that much effect on us. :-)
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I agree that the EFP's have generated more interest. Before they came out, we had to wait until the end of the month for the contest finalists and winners list to be announced. Now the EFP's have become a mini-contest and I think it has sparked interest on a daily basis rather than waiting for the end of the month. I just hate that so many people are deleting nice images from their galleries that didn't get a button. My button-less images will stay, only because I like them....
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Philip Frederiksen |
I aggree Sherry
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Colleen Farrell |
Maybe people are deleting EFP-less images because they want to revisit them and resubmit. I've moved a lot to the "back" of my gallery because it's an easy way to order them and see which I might want to resubmit--and because I think visitors to my gallery might want to see which of my photos have won. (If they're all on the first page, people don't have to wade through to other pages, lol.) But everybody has different goals and gets different things out of various aspects of this site. I don't worry about what other people do or don't do with their images, or why they enter the contest or don't. I guess I just have enough to deal with trying to get my own photos taken and uploaded! lol
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I wanted to ring the bell for an EFP on the 2nd.(flower) My "Beer Can Rooster" I posted on the first did not get the judges attention.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
I'll ring the 2nd bell, too... (Which for me was another resub from my favorite "overlooked" August entries!)
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Mick Burkey |
So, if I submitted a picture on the 1st and a picture on the 2nd, and the one from the 2nd has a EFP button but the one from the 1st does not, does that mean the one from the 1st will not be moving on in the contest and I can slink into my cave of despair and rejection? At least for that one picture?
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Colleen Farrell |
Yes, slink away, Mick! ;) LOL
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Judyann Plante |
Don't despair yet, Mick! I have seen my own photos entered into different categories come up with EP's at different times. Everyone has different ways of managing their galleries. Personally, I mostly display photos that are award winners (either at BP or elsewhere) or that have EP's in my gallery, not because I think less of the EPless photos, but because I think my gallery is mainly viewed by BP members looking to learn, be inspired, or encouraged. I don't delete EPless photos from my gallery until well after that month's contest is over. Then my favorites are still displayed on my website.
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Christiana Auer |
I am new to this site, but how do you get Editors picks? Do you have to enter them into contests first? Or do they just pick from your uploaded photos on your gallery?
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David W. Orias |
Christiana, you may submit one photo a day into the contest. Entered photos are then "judged" and if the photo "catches" the judges eye, then it is awarded a Editor's Pick button which means it will proceed into the next round of judging.
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
Just a report that I have an EP from the 3rd. (Missed on the 1st, as so many of you did, and got one on the 2nd.) It was a resubmit of one that never got an EP earlier, and I resubbed it in a different category this time--title "It's a Job."
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Mitch! I really appreciate everyone keeping us up to date on the latest EP's!
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Debra K. Johnson |
Got mine for the 3rd also.
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Colleen Farrell |
My latest is the 3rd ... I wonder if there will be a bunch more coming out on Monday for last week.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I got one last night the 4th
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Colleen Farrell |
I also got one yesterday for the 4th ... I guess our hardworking judges work all weekend.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
While going to check if my 4th got one (none, so far!) I just noticed an "upload artifact" in the image... in the collage, the 3rd image appears to have a horizontal bar of off-color, near the very bottom of that image. That same "bar" appears in the bottom-right corner of the 4th image of the collage. They don't apper in my original file of course, and I hadn't noticed them when I uploaded on the 4th (though I could have missed them; my work monitor is much brighter than my home monitor.) Any thoughts?
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Colleen Farrell |
Chris, I can't find your collage. On your first page, the oldest non-EFP photo I see is the Statesman, dated 9/5/07. Sometimes when I upload photos, they get broken up, as if all the data isn't going through at the same time. When that happens, the image is broken into "bars," sort of. I'm wondering if something similar happened to yours. Maybe try re-loading it if it doesn't get an EFP today ...
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Sorry! I should have provided the link. As it is, between then and now, it made EFP! ;) http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.php?photoID=4566077
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I just checked and have and EFP for the 5th.
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Colleen Farrell |
Chris, that photo is a stunner!! And the off-color bars don't show up on my monitor.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Thanks, Colleen, and thanks for looking for the "bars"... this office monitor really isn't cut out for viewing BP! I miss my trusty CRT at home.
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Sharon Day |
I got one for the 28th of last month :o)! I'm sure it didn't have one the other day.
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Cyn Valentine |
6th and 7th
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Kerby Pfrangle |
I got one on the 7th. It my white flower with the little spikes on it. It really cute.
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Anna Diederich |
I just got one for the 8th....:)
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Colleen Farrell |
7th and 8th just came in for me, too.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I guess I should consider myself lucky as I got one on the 6th 7th & 8th, but the one I really wanted was on the 5th. My DD entry. It's getting harder and harder to get an EFP with nearing 40000 entries a month.
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Steven E. Ray |
Got a 6th EFP today. Skipped my 4th entry which everyone thought was winning material. Wonder how many good ones are falling through the cracks? http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/big.php?photoID=4572705&catID=&style=&rowNumber=3&memberID=222018
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
I'm with you, Les! (Well, honestly--I want one on every image I enter! hehe But I, too, was really hoping for one on my DD blurred image from the 5th!) Steven, I think your first MP-E macro was simply overlooked in the crush of entries; I'm glad you're resubmitting it!
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Kathleen Rinker |
Got one for the 7th, named it If I Could Paint.
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Sharon Day |
Les, it's difficult to get wins on any kind of photo where you've layered a texture photo with a scenic photo in PS. Before the EP's I rarely saw a finalist from those types of photos. They are some of my favorite effects as well. Here's one of my favorites. No EP on it either. Steven, reenter that one! It was a cool shot!
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Colleen Farrell |
Sharon--I remember that photo of yours from looking through your gallery! I really like it!
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Kai Eiselein |
Woo Hoo both my entries this month scored EFP's. I don't generally do "landscape" style shots but Big Sky got one and my entry in the monthly theme "Illusion" got one. Be warned if you look at "Illusion", you may get queazy if you get vertigo, the photo appears to move as you change distance to it. It may look like a digital manipulation, but it the effect was all done "in camera". :)
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
They're out for the 9th. I'm happy to see I'm not the only obsessive BP member.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
How odd...I got an EFP for the 10th, but my BEST IMAGE of the month on the 9th got passed up. THEY MUST BE BLIND!!!!
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Sharon Day |
I'm very happy to get one on the 10th of my little dog! :)!
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Victoria Sutherland |
I got one sometime over the weekend...not sure which day, but found it yesterday. I also got one for last month so now I'm looking forward to seeing if that one makes it any further.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I haven't received one yet for the 10th, and I really like the photo. Sometimes mine seem to come a bit later, so we'll keep hoping. I believe that they change the judges frequently and I guess success depends on how your images sit with each different judge.
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Kathleen Rinker |
I got another one for the 9th, swirl of fire.
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Colleen Farrell |
I'm surprised--I submitted one fairly late last night (the 10th) and it already has an EFP. But once again, one of my best photos, imo, got passed up.
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Anna Diederich |
I didn't get one for the 9th but did get one for the 10th.
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Sharon Day |
Anyone have one for a photo past the 10th? Just wondering if they stalled out???
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I haven't gotten one for the 11th yet. I think my photo is worthy, but I don't always seem to agree with the judge.
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Susan Fox |
I got one for the 10th on my Sunlit Summers which makes me very happy :-) I think it's my favorite of all the photos I've taken so far. Nothing yet for the 11th though.
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Heather |
I Did not get one for the 11th yet,This Had me a Lil Scared!! lol,Because I thought it was a pretty good one... but I see that no one has yet reported one for the 11th yet... thats good for me...lol
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Anna Diederich |
I got one for the 11th. :)
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Margie Hurwich |
I'm really anxious to see when the 12th comes out. My 11 year old daughter entered her very first photo on that day. I'm hoping she will get an EFP. http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.php?cat=&photoID=4625974
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Susan Fox |
Are they done with the 11th? Good luck to Kimberly :-) I hope she gets one.
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Sharon Day |
I haven't gotten one for the 11th either. Good luck to Kimberly, Margie!
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Margie Hurwich |
Yippee!!!! Kimberly got one!
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Susan Fox |
Margie I am so happy Kimberly got one :-) I hope this encourages her to go out and take more photos. I'm disappointed my Summer Breeze didn't get anything.
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Sharon Day |
Congratulations to Kimberly's first EP!!! WTG! I got one for the 13th :).
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- Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Contact Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas's Gallery |
I got one for the 13th too!, they are going fast!
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Colleen Farrell |
It's beginning to seem like the more we like our images, the less likely they are to get an EFP! }:/
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Margie Hurwich |
My daughter got home about a half hour ago. I showed her the EFP button under her picture and explained what it was. I don't think she could have smiled any bigger!
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Sharon Day |
That's great, Margie! I am so happy she got one!
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Margie Hurwich |
Me too!
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Debra K. Johnson |
"It's beginning to seem like the more we like our images, the less likely they are to get an EFP! }:/" Isn't that the truth. I feel as tho my work has gotten alot better & I have only gotten 1 efp this month. URGH!
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I have only recieved one EFP this month also. And, like the rest of you, on images I like more than some of my others..... I had a real boost though today, if you guys don't mind a little bragging......I won Best in Show in the amateur photography division at the Tri State Fair in Amarillo, Texas. (Over 600 entries). Since I've had a dry spell with the EFP's, this win was really nice encouragement. BTW, the image is 'Red' in my gallery. It didn't receive an EFP but won this contest. So it really goes to show that Photo. is subjective.
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Judyann Plante |
Margie, A BIG congratulations to your daughter! She must be thrilled! And a BIG congratulations to you, too, Sherri! Went to your gallery I love "Red." what a great encouragement to get this recognition for your work! I had gone for 5 months without a finalist at BP when I won Best in Show at our county fair this summer. That particular photo had made finalist at BP, but I also received first place in the amature open category with another photo that has gotten no recognition at BP at all after three submissions. Certainly can be a boost to one's confidence to receive recognition elsewhere.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
My last one was uploaded on the 10, recieved a EFP on the 11th......My second one was uploaded on the 9th and recieved on the 11th.....My first EFP was uploaded on the 3rd, and not recieved until the 10th...I think they must be getting pickier or maybe a new bunch of judges. I feel something way different is going on this month. I also am assuming that they must have a different judge for each catagory and do their photo's at their convience. I dont feel there is any set time for recieving them as they are always so scattered. I feel like the rest of you, the more we like our photo's, they don't recieve a EFP badge. I have seen, out of focus photo's recieve a EFP, that were not even in the montly theme. I had 14 last month, and 3 as of right now for this month. I have seen some VERY awosme photo's not even recieve a EFP this month. ALSO, if ANYONE can tell me what the montly theme is actually suppose to be, or what it is they are exactly suppose to consist of it would be greatly appriciated. A blur can be taken multple ways!!! I feel it should have been explained a little more in depth. THANKS for any help and best of luck to each and everyone of you! Have a nice night! Sharon, thanks so much for starting this thread.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Margie, my congrats to your daughter! I bet she is excited, and you a proud Mom. Judyann, sounds like you've done very well in your county fair. While winning here at BP is great, it is nice to win at a local level where people actually know you.
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Margie Hurwich |
Thanks everyone! My daughter is definetly thrilled!
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Sharon Day |
Nancy, ours is not to reason why... LOL. I'll never be able to figure out the contest to my dying day and believe me I've tried :o)! As for the monthly theme. I think it was originally supposed to be photos taken with a Lensbaby but that would have seriously limited how many people could participate so I guess they decided to expand it to be blurs of any kind. To me that would mean, PS blurs, in camera blurs taken while panning or zooming the lens, maybe photos taken with a spot filter on the lens. You could shoot flowers through the blossoms of other flowers for blur effects. Many different ways to blur a photo. I have to say the theme this month has been interesting. Honestly, I don't know when I've seen so many awful photos. I feel sorry for the judges having to look at them all :o)! I'm glad you're enjoying the thread!
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Philip Frederiksen |
@ Margie Congrats on your daughter. She also have a very good mentor to learn from :-)
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Margie Hurwich |
Thanks, Philip!
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
BIG Congrat's to your daughter, I just took a peek at her photo and left a coment. Such a nice capture. I am sure she will have MANY more to come with a good mentor as you helping her as Phillip said.
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Margie Hurwich |
Thank you, Nancy. I saw your comment, but Kimberly won't see it until tomorrow. She is only 11 and already in bed. Mom should be there too!
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
My philosophy on the idea of blur is to have a focal point that is reasonably sharp and the rest of the image can be blurred or out of focus. But it doesn't work for me if the entire photo is out of focus or blurred. Afterall, don't we all have thousands of those in the trash?
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Thank you Sharon and Sherry, appriciate it!
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Margie, I went to look for Kimberly's image and wanted to know the title of it. The link you added didn't work for me. So , would you tell us the title so we can look at it and comment.Thanks.
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Susan Fox |
Congratulations Sherry and Judyann on your wins!!! Ok can anyone tell my why my "Summer Breeze" did't get an EFP? I know it's not as good as "Sunlit Summers" but I still think it's good enough to move on to the next round. I have to agree about some of the entries in the MT this month. I have never seen so many bad photos. There is a big difference between artistic blurs and just being badly out of focus.
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Margie Hurwich |
Sherry, there are only two shots in Kimberly's gallery. Her last name is Cozzolino if you want to do a search on her. The shot with the EFP is called Reflections.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
Susan, I understand your frustation. As a big fan of your photos, I believe they are all worthy of a EFP. I look at some of the pictures (especially flower pics) and wonder how they got picked and some of mine didn't. With the large number of entries today, I guess a lot is luck and the whim of the judges. Under no circumstance should we lose confidence in our own work since I don't believe that not getting a EFP means they aren't worthy.
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Sharon Day |
"My philosophy on the idea of blur is to have a focal point that is reasonably sharp and the rest of the image can be blurred or out of focus. But it doesn't work for me if the entire photo is out of focus or blurred. Afterall, don't we all have thousands of those in the trash?" Sherry, I think it all depends on what the photographer is trying to accomplish. I have a couple of total blurs I like due to the abstractness (is that a word?) of them, but I don't like them all. I saw one in a gallery just this morning I liked really well and it had no focus either. It will be interesting to see if it gets an EFP. This particular member hardly misses a day. I guess it boils down to subjectivity to some extent. Susan, I liked "Summer Breeze" too, but I don't think they are moving all photos to the next round that are good enough. With so many entries now I doubt they can. I have entered every day this month and only have 6 EFPs. I hope all the rest weren't total duds LOL.
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Melissa Malisia |
Subject - EP Watch :) I had 13 EFP's last month and 1 from this month. I too think that maybe 1 or 2 more of my entries (not all ofcourse) are EP worthy from my this month... like my 'Red & Blue' & 'Have a Great Day'. Melissa :)
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Colleen Farrell |
The only thing I can think of that's preventing some terrific photos from getting EFPs is that while they make be aesthetically quite beautiful and technically perfect, they may be lacking some unusual, quirky, unique feature that would catch the judge's eye. It could be that with the bar being raised ever higher thanks to the huge number of promising photos, the judges are looking for this unique factor more and more. Another possibility is that the judges think a particular entry is not in the best category--even though it meets all the above criteria. So, I think if there's any chance a photo could go in more than one category, and it doesn't get an EFP, we should try it in a different one.
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- Mitch Spence Contact Mitch Spence Mitch Spence's Gallery |
Colleen, I think you are absolutely right in this. I used to not reenter things much, but often I waffle around so much trying to decide on a category, because somehow many of my things could go in two or three areas, that I've just lately begun to do that much more now. Will have to see how that works out finally, but there are now EFPs on things that didn't have them before (well, some on resubs in the same category as well). I am convinced, although I have no proof at all, that the initial judging is likely done by looking at thumbnails only, which would make sense given the huge numbers of submissions, so your comment on the "quirky" impact thing seems highly likely to me. It also would explain to me the reason that EFPs sometimes don't seem to actually pan out when one opens them--that is, they have technical problems that aren't apparent in the thumbnail.
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Michael Skelton . |
I can see most people are expressing pretty much the same things as myself this month. I have a few EPs for this month but the photo I think is the best didnt receive a button. "Cloudland_road_Farm . But I have a feeling that this month may be a bit more work for the judges.I think there were about 40000 photos from August ,with September's contest the last of the summer and also there is the 3rd annual summit this month so the people at BP are probably pretty busy trying to accomplish so much this month. Since I will be on vacation the first 2 weeks of October maybe I'll just enter the photo again next month.Or who knows , maybe its just a terrible photo ;o) Anyways best of light everyone.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I agree with you Sharon about the photographers' intent with the intentional blur. I like the ones that have the abstactness to them. I'm not saying those are bad. I just see some really good ones and some really not-so-good ones. I like yours. I'm wondering if BP is getting pickier with the EFP's to bring down the total number of entries the judges have to view at the end of the month.
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Ron Sloan |
I am thinking that there may be a self imposed limit on the number of EP's "awarded" to minimize the final selection process.With so many entries into each category,it has to be very time consuming toward the end of the month. (Either that,or most of my recent submissions sucked.....lol maybe both!)
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
As far as the EFP's..... I got one for the 13th. I had just about quit looking......
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I received one on the 13th, too, ending a 3 day dry spell. Hope next week goes better.
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Colleen Farrell |
I'm about to give up. My last one was the 10th.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I had almost given up, too. When I went back to look to see when my last one was before the 13th (which was the 5th), lo and behold there was one for the 14th. Just two hours ago, it wasn't there.
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Kathleen Rinker |
got another one for the 16th, Finch Hollow
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Melissa Malisia |
I got one on the 13th... "The Wild One." http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/big.php?photoID=4629657&catID=&style=&rowNumber=2&memberID=179495
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Sharon Day |
I got one for the 13th so I was finally able to finish my project.
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Margie Hurwich |
This is wonderful, Sharon!
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Colleen Farrell |
Well, I got one for the 15th but once again I'm mystified why it was picked over some others ... I'd had it sitting in my files for months. Maybe I should dig up some more moldy oldies. ;)
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Kim S. Hansen |
Yeeeeeesssss! I got one for the 14th!!! Woo Hoo! I got one last week and now I am obsessively checking back every day to see if I got another one. It's so addictive.
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Sharon Day |
LOL @ the moldy files, Colleen! I say go for it. I think I read once that a photo that got GP was entered three times before it got noticed.
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Colleen Farrell |
I think I will, Sharon--you know what they say, "nothing ventured, nothing gained." :) Kim, welcome to EFPrs Anonymous. LOL
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Margie! Colleen, thanks for welcoming Kim! I'm sure we have a lot of new members checking out the thread to see when the EFPs are awarded. I am afraid I would never be able to remember all the new names and faces so here's a big welcome to everyone! Welcome!!!
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Margie Hurwich |
Well, I checked my daughter's gallery...and she got a second EFP! She just giggled when I showed it to her today! She submitted another one, but this time of a dog...not a building.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
WHOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO, I got one for the 15th, montly theme entry!
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Kim S. Hansen |
Congrats Nancy! Adorable shot! Margie, your daughter is so talented!
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Margie Hurwich |
Yes, congrats Nancy! And Kim, thanks so much. She has much too learn, but hopefully she will grasp on pretty quick!
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Thank you Kim and Margie, I appriciate it! Margie, I looked at your daughters entry today, she is definatly taking after you!
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Sharon Day |
Congratulations to Kimberly, Margie!!! She's on a roll :)! I got one for the 16th :).
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Margie Hurwich |
Thank you, Nancy and Sharon!
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
BIG CONGRAT'S Sharon!!!
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I received a EFP for the 15th & 16th. Anyone receive an EFP for the 17th yet? Also, any ideas when they might release the finalists for August?
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Susan Fox |
My Summer Breeze ended up getting one. The Powers that Be must have been tired of my whining :-) Nothing yet for me for the 16th or 17th. But for some reason mine always show up later. Leslie you have a while to wait. Finalist are usually announced around the 24th of the month. Keep your eye on the Count Down thread.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
Got one for the 17th. I currently have 11 EFP's out of 18 entries...with the 18th still to be judged.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Mine tend to arrive later in the day, and overnight, I've noticed... Got a 14th & 15th, but they came out of order for once, 15th arriving first. Nothing on 16 or 17 yet :( Brings me to 10 of 18 entries thus far so I can't complain too loudly!
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
I hope no one takes this the wrong way...but is it really important to know how many EPs folks got in the month, or a running tally? I know many struggle to get one, let alone 15 or 20, or whatever. It can come across as bragging, and I don't think that's the intent...
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Kim S. Hansen |
You have a good point Ken. EP's are a really big deal to me and I don't have anyone around me to share the excitement with. So, I came here to celebrate. Bragging was never my intention!
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Sharon Day |
I apologize if I've done that too. I do not want to brag either. I enjoy them a lot and want to keep up to date on when they've been awarded since I'm not getting very many. I'll try to keep my totals to myself, however I don't really have anything ot brag about LOL. Kim, if you want to email me about your excitement go right ahead :D. No one around me gets too excited over stuff like that either.
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- Ken Smith Contact Ken Smith Ken Smith's Gallery |
Kim, my comment was not aimed at the joy of getting the EP--I think that's super!!!
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Kim S. Hansen |
Thanks guys! I need to find a photo club in my area so I can spend some time around other addicts! :)
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Philip Frederiksen |
@ Kim Are you located in Denmark? Your name sure looks like a danisk one :-)
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Well, Kim, if addicts are what you're looking for, you've come to the right place!!!
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Kim S. Hansen |
Nope, but I would love to visit Denmark someday! I'm in Vancouver, Washington. Right next door to Portland, Oregon. I can't complain! It's beautiful here.
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Shooting Star Photography |
Sorry Kim, I feel the need to clarify something you just said...LOL As a Washingtonian, I need to point out that Portland is next door to Vancouver, not visa versa. :-) Vancouver is next door to Camas. We can't have those Oregonians getting big headed!
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Kim S. Hansen |
LOL!!! True! I do prefer Vancouver to Portland any day. I just browsed through your gallery and you have some beautiful images!
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Yipee......just got an EFP for the 17th. This is an image I wasn't too sure of. One of those that you go hummmm, who knows???
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Marianne Fortin |
I just got an EFP for a resubmitted photo that didn't get one before (Pampas Grass). I originally submitted it in the Monthly Theme because it involved Gaussian Blur (Orton effect). Then I deleted it and resubmitted it to Digital Darkroom and now it has an EFP. Just to let everyone know that they should resubmit photos they like - you never know!
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Melissa Malisia |
I got an EFP for the monthly theme, "Teddy Bear Night Light." First time I snagged an EP on the MT. Congrats to all the EFP's on this page!
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Philip Frederiksen |
@ Kim Hansen is a very common last name here in Denmark :-)
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Kim S. Hansen |
I get a lot of comments on my last name. The funny part is that it's my ex-husbands name! My maiden name is Franklin and I've traced it back to England. My mother's last name is Blosser. German? I kept the name Hansen because it's my daughters name too.
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daryllucarelli.com - Daryl R. Lucarelli Contact Daryl R. Lucarelli Daryl R. Lucarelli's Gallery |
What is an EFP anyway?
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Sharon Day |
Daryl, it stand for Editor's First Picks, but now I think they are just Editor's Picks. Both mean the same thing though. It simply means a photo is progressing to the next round of the contest...I think :o)! Does anyone know of someone who has not gotten an EP and did get a finalist?
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- Cora Miller Contact Cora Miller Cora Miller's Gallery |
Sharon, this is Jim Miotke's response in another thread about the disappearing EFP emblems in July which says to me: no EFP, no finalist. Question: "Did the computer glitch kick the photos out of the running for that month's contest or just knock the buttons off them? IOW could a photo that lost its emblem still be a finalist or winner without our having to resubmit it?" Jim's answer: "The photos did not make it to the next round so I would encourage you to resubmit. The emblem should have stayed anyway (and will on all future photos that don't go further). Bottom line: I do encourage you to try again either this month or next."
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Kim S. Hansen |
I emailed them to ask about this. EP's are photos that move on to the next round. That's all. So, your EP's are the only photos that have the possibility of winning.
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Sharon Day |
Thank you, Cora & Kim! I thought it meant they have moved up in the contest but was not 100% for sure.
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Kim S. Hansen |
I just came from eating dinner and there was a new one! It was the photo that I uploaded yesterday. They seem to be catching up!
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Amber J. Skene |
Whoo Hoo!!!!! I just got my first one for the month that was for the 17th. I am on cloud 9 right now. I have been trying hard and have felt down lately that I am horrible at this, but this has made my day. Just had to share :)
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Philip Frederiksen |
@ Kim - Okay I see Still it's a very common lastname in Denmark. I have not heard Blosser before
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Sharon Day |
Congrats, Amber!
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Melissa G. Meiselman |
I have a question. If I find one EP for a particular date in someone's gallery, does that mean that is it for that day and they are on to the next day? Also, I am a bit confused. I am getting far fewer EP than in the past. Have you others experienced the same thing?
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Kim S. Hansen |
I think it depends on the catagory. I got an EP for T&P five days after I posted and an EP for People the day after I posted it. I've only enter a few pics before this month so I can't answer your other question.
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Judyann Plante |
Melissa, I think almost everyone seems to be getting fewer EP's this month than in the past. May be due to the increased number of entries. It also seems they are coming out at all different times. But they seem, for the most part, to come out by category for a particular day. Although some of my friends received EP's on florals on the same day I had entered one. I thought my image had not made the cut, then two days later the EP appeared in my gallery. Probably they get posted whenever the judge responsible for a particular batch of entries gets to it.
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Sharon Day |
So, what's the latest date now?? I haven't had one in a few days I don't think.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
The latest one I received was for the 17th (animals). Mine always seem to come in late. Anyone seen any for the 18th or 19th?
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Susan Fox |
The last one I got was on the 16th in DDarkroom
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Kim S. Hansen |
18th under People. I Posted the pic on the 18th and heard on the 19th. That's the fastest ever! The previous one took five days.
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Emily Geddes |
Anyone get 19th People yet?
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Emily Geddes |
Phew! I got EFP today for the 19th people submit. It's one of my all time favorite pics. Just glad it made the first cut.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Mine submitted the 19th (Details and Macro) got an EFP. One of my favs!
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Susan Fox |
Still nothing for me since the 16th. Seems they don't like any of my photos after that :-)
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Sharon Day |
I have one for the 20th.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Sharon, the EFP you got on the 20th, what category was it in?
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Sharon Day |
Animals. Do you think they have done CA for the 18th? I kinda hoped to see one for the18th but not yet.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I haven't received anything after the 17th. My entries for the 18th and forward are flowers and catch all.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
My last entry for CA was the 15th and it didn't get a button. My last two EFP's were for Monthly Theme and Details and Macro. Has anyone seen one for the 20th for DDR? I'm under the belief that different categories will come out at different times because of different judges. Any other opinions?
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Sharon Day |
In all honesty it never occurred to me they had different people sorting out the EFP's until someone mentioned it here. I think that could be a possibility if the EFP's come out at different times according to category, but if not then I think it's unlikely more than one or two people do the culling. I can't imagine BP has 10 people on staff to sort through the entries but I could be wrong.
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Kim S. Hansen |
Is anyone else getting discouraged? I thought I entered some good ones since the 19th. Sigh.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
Since no one has received any EFP's recently, my guess is that they are all busy finishing up the August contest. Hopefully we'll see them return next week.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I got one for the 18th in DD, I think this morning. I could swear I checked my gallery early this morning--know I checked it last night--and just now checked again and it was there.
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Sharon Day |
Kim, I don't think discouragement is the right emotion for not getting EFP's. Disappointment yes, but not discouragement :o). Not getting an EFP, finalist or win does not necessarily mean your photos aren't good. It just means they were passed over for whatever reason. I entered a photo of my top seller in a microstock site and it was passed over by the judges twice, but that doesn't stop it from selling :).
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
One appeared on my 9/20 entry, sometime in the past few hours today... (Catchall category)
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Sorry, I need to correct my post of an hour ago. The DD that appeared today was entered on the 20th, not the 18th as I reported. I had forgotten that I uploaded this a couple of days early.
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
I just received an EFP for the 20th (flowers), but nothing for the 18th & 19th.
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Sharon Day |
Does anyone know what happens if you decide to re enter a photo that has an EFP button? Does it keep it's button, lose it, is it possible for it to move up in the rounds further? Just curious if they can still win if you resubmit them.
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Sam Britt |
What an interesting thread. I've gotten fewer EFPs lately, like a lot of you.
Should you delete the image, and re-upload it, for it to be considered in a contest, or is it OK to enter the originally submitted image from "Edit Your Photos"? The reason I ask this is that I noticed several finalists that were origianlly submitted months ago.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Sam, I believe you answered your own question! :) Yes, you can resub an image from your Member Center, and yes, it can go on to win... (Janine's Grand Prize winner from 2 or 3 months ago is a perfect example of a resubmit winning--and winning big!--without a fresh upload for the month it won.) I've got a goodly number of Finalists on resubs, and I very rarely upload a fresh copy, unless I've made a change to the image. Sharon, I personally believe the EFP doesn't matter, on resubs... the medallion doesn't go away however, so you don't have a visual clue that it may or may not be advancing in the new contest. (Hey... just like the old days, when you couldn't tell immediately!)
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Hi YA'll Sharon, the answer to your question is YES, the button stays there..I e-mailed them and aske them that very same question, here is the e-mail reply Hello Nancy, -- BPSupport@betterphoto.com
As to way up, Sharon, I would in my own opinion think they would have to have more than a couple people doing these pick's. Shoot, when I first started in March, there were approximatly 22,000 entries, it has almost doubled. I can not see 2 (say for an example) going through 1000 plus entries a day, I don't see how they could keep up.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
OH WHOOOO HOOOOOO I just looked, seeing is all of you are now getting them, I just got one for the 20th, Nature and landscape.
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Sharon Day |
WTG Nancy! Those are hard for me to come by! I have never had a scenery photo make finalist in N&L.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Thank you Shaoron, it is a hard catagory, as I think they ALL are LMAO! COngrat's to everyone that just g ot now and before!
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Thank you Sharon, it is a hard catagory, as I think they ALL are LMAO! Congrat's to everyone that just g ot now and before!
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Emily Geddes |
Just curious, have any of you "found" your EFP on the reload gallery?
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Sam Britt |
Thanks Christopher & Peaches for your responses. Emily, I have seen some of my EFP's on "reload" before, but not my most recent ones. I kept clicking "reload," but never found any of them, although there were several images that kept coming up again & again. I'm not sure if the "reload" is completely random, or if the images are on some sort of rotation cycle. Any ideas, anyone?
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Melissa G. Meiselman |
Has anyone considered the possibly that a computer with sophisticated image recognition software is doing the initial cut. The technology is there to do something like this. Computers recognize images according to the various algorithms the programmer uses.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
YeeeHaaaaaw. My DD entry for the 20th got an EFP. One of my favs...... I sure hope a computer isn't making the first cut. I honestly don't know how it could. Consider this month's theme....beautiful blur. Alot of what you would normaly expect from a photo doesn't really apply to this category. And being that Photog. is so subjective.....Just my 2 cents worth....
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Melissa G. Meiselman |
Sherry, it would be easy to set up the parameters for each category with enough detail not to leave out worthy images. The computer then becomes a sorting machine...not perfect, but there are a lot of great images left out as well as mediocre images with EP. What professional photographer would participate in looking at nearly 40,000 images in a month??? Do they have amatures sitting in front of computer screens doing the picking for minimum wage? All of this costs money and BP is not a non-profit organization.
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Sharon Day |
Sounds reasonable to me, Melissa! I recall once Jim Miotke said they did not use a computer for sorting like some contest sites, but it's been a while since he made that statement. I wonder if image recognition software can set the parameters to choose certain people more than others too? I know of members here that almost never miss a day of getting one too. BTW, that ain't me :O).
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Melissa, I don't think BP is a non-profit...
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Zack G. Ahern |
I really don't think the first selection is done by computers. If you are going to make the first selection with computers then why not make the rest too? This is obviously not the case in my opinion and just by looking at past winners you can tell they were hand selected. Guess we will never really know unless BP tells us though. Either way, the number of entries, and quality entries at that, reviewed each month is staggering.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
I, for one, would be disappointed if they are selected by computer. I like to think that professional photogs are selecting (or not selecting ) the images that get EFP's and further. If my images get picked, I want it to be on their own merits, not what a comp. program has selected according to some algorithms. That's too scientific for me, and Photog. is art and we all have our own likes and dislikes and is too subjective for anything else except the human eye. Now you have 4 cents of my opinion.....
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Melissa G. Meiselman |
Think about this. BP is a for profit organization with, I would guess, a very small staff. The instructors get a cut of the tuition for the courses they teach and I really do not think they are part of the selection process...they have a lot to do with the courses they teach. Also they are not part of the "staff." So my question is...who and how many would sift through all these images? In the early days of BP the numbers were managable. Now I do not think they are. If you were to a google of picture recognition software you will get a lot of hits and would see the sophistication of this software. I am not accusing BP of using computers. This was just a thought I had given the number and how quickly they came up with the finalist announcement. Also there was a change when we began seeing the EFP. Recall when we saw some and shortly after they disappeared? Well BP said the programer was on vacation and the problem would be fixed when he returned. However they could not go back in time and replaced the lost buttons. Again...this is just a though.
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Sharon Day |
One thing I totally agree on is I do not think the instructors are a part of the initial selection process either. They not only have their courses to manage but I would imagine they have full time careers as well. There's no way they would have the time to involve themselves with the initial selection process. I tried to find the thread where Jim said they do not use software for the selection process but couldn't find it. It was a long time ago before the contest grew to such huge proportions.
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Colleen Farrell |
This is a fascinating thread ... just had to pop in and say that. LOL.
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Colleen Farrell |
Oh, wow--the mysterious EFPickers are up late! It's 10:30pm PDT and I just gone one ... wasn't there a few minutes ago.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
BIG CONGRATS Colleen, I have gotten them at 2 or 3 in the morning or later lol...They must be die hards lol!!!
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
Colleen, what catagory and day was it for?
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Zack G. Ahern |
I just got one for the 20th in flowers...really wasn't expecting one from that one. As to the use of computer software for the contest...the only thing I could find on google was facial recognition software, which is completely different than a program that distinguishes from a good photo and a bad photo. Possibly the editors have a program that allows them to scan great number of images at a time or something, but I really do not think it is automatic. Guess it will remain a secret to us BP members right now!
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Judyann Plante |
Hi everyone. Jim recently said on the radio show that they looked at every photo in the contest.
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Sharon Day |
Thanks, Judyann! Big job then!
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Amber J. Skene |
Just looked this morning and I have recieved one for the 20th for flowers. Whoooo Hoooooo! My second for the month. It appeared over night or this morning.
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Sam Britt |
I like to get EFPs, and I would like to think that human and not a computer program selects them. I've only gotten 1 EFP lately, and I have lost at least one emblem in the past, for who knows why, but I'm not overly concerned about it. I just want to keep enjoying this website. Even it an image doesn't make it to EFP, that doesn't mean it's not good, no one likes it.
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Sharon Day |
While anything is possible I think it's unlikely they use a computer to choose them too otherwise they would give more wins to people who purchase websites. I have had emails in the past from people with websites that kinda expect to get the occasional win since they consider they are supporting the site. Each time that has happened I have checked out the websites and found photos worthy of finalists and wins. It's just a big mystery and fun to try and figure out but I don't really care how it's done. Judging by my own lack of success in recent months I have to come to the conclusion that my photography is going downhill though LOL. Not that I believe that :D.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
I'm with Sharon. I don't believe software is involved in picking... I think they probably use software to facilitate---or rather, probably custom administrator pages within BP's web design... perhaps something like a view of several entries on a page at once, with a yes/no checkbox for speedier processing; I do think the first cut is somewhat cursory out of necessity (time & quantity) and that the various staff members of BP (not instructors/judges) handle that first round.
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Colleen Farrell |
Peaches, my latest was for the 21st, in Catch-All.
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Melissa G. Meiselman |
My latest was for the 21st, as well, and it was entered into the Catch All category. The title of this image is, yak yak yak.
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Sylvia Rossler |
Got one on 22nd :O)
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
FYI: 9/22 N&L appeared for me today...
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
I just got after 9:00pm my time (7 BP time) 21st -Flowers Congrat's everyone!
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Colleen Farrell |
Hey, I got one for the 23rd, flowers--I'm happy because it was a resubmit of an older photo that didn't get an EFP the first time around.
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Nancy (Peaches) Harker |
WHOOOOOO HOOOOOOO Congrats Cheri and Colleen!
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
I just got one for the 23rd on my butterfly (animals category)It seems most of the butterfly winners are comming from N&L and D&M. I took a chance and tried animals. (fingers crossed) Not to Brag...(Ken) but I have 16 EFP's from 23 so far. Still waiting on the 24th and 25th.
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Anil Soman |
I got an EP icon on my first photo! :)
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Judyann Plante |
Congratulations, Anil!!!
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Sharon Day |
ROFL Les! When you get one nearly every day like one BPer I know then you'll have bragging rights :D.
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sherry-adkins-photography.com - Sherry Karr Adkins Contact Sherry Karr Adkins Sherry Karr Adkins's Gallery |
Has anyone received an EP for the 23rd in DDR?
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
People have received EFPs for the 23rd in DDR. Go look at about page 13
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I just got one for the 23rd in T&P.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
23rd, EoD, within the last 25 minutes or so...
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Kim S. Hansen |
Is there a way to view EFP's other than the 'reload' gallery? It won't reload for me. I have to refresh and it takes me an hour of refreshing to get to the next day. Is it this way for everyone? I'm stuck at the 15th right now.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
You got it, Kim... for viewing other photographers EP's, that is the only way short of looking in their individual galleries.
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Melissa Olsen |
Has anyone gotten an EFP for the 23rd in catch-all yet?
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Sharon Day |
I heard of and saw one for the 24th. Not mine though :o).
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Kelly M. Erland |
This is probably a stupid question.. How can you tell what day the EFP's were given on?
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Sam Britt |
I was wondering that myself. I've had some EFPs that it took a week before I saw an emblem in my gallery. Yet I've seen EFPs in other galleries that were given the next day after they were uploaded. Still no EFPs for me lately, I guess I need return to my comfort zone!
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Hey Kelly... it helps if you are obsessive, like several of us on this thread! ;) The easiest way to see "what day they're up to" on EP's for yourself, is to look at your own Contest Entries. (In your Member Center.) There, you can see the date you entered it (if you're not keeping track of that info offline) and when you drill into an image you can see if if has an EP. We then know the latest date someone has spotted an EP, when and if that person comes here and says "I got one for X date". Generally, the analysis of entries, for first-cut (ie, EFP is first cut) go in chronological order, though once in awhile, you will find they are up to say, the 25th, and suddenly one appears on an image you entered on the 21st. The mysteries of BP!
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- Leslie McLain Contact Leslie McLain Leslie McLain's Gallery |
My last EFP was on the 22nd for flowers. I have entries in T&P, Design, Flowers, & Catch-all since and nothing. Everyone is probably busy getting ready for the seminar so we may have a wait.
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Katrina McMeans |
Yeah, I haven't gotten any in about a week, and I was a little curious because, not to brag, but I'd been getting them very regularly and these new pictures were of no lesser quality than the ones before them. Well I'm glad to see that it's not just me who hasn't gotten any lately.
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Colleen Farrell |
My latest is the 24th, DD. I don't enter or get an EFP every day so that's probably not the latest they've been sent out. I have a feeling the Summit won't slow things down, that the folks doing the picking at this point aren't necessarily the final judges/staffers going to the summit. Just a feeling. Sam, awhile back (several weeks) BP sent a note to somebody saying the EFPs were updated weekly. But who knows if that's still the case ... ;)
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Sharon Day |
I don't get them every day by a long shot. I think there's only a select few that do. Not sure what it is about their photos that stand out from the rest. When I figure it out I might give it at try :o).
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Emily Geddes |
Hmmm ... 24th Flowers, anyone? I don't think I have any fingernails left.
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- Les Rhoades Contact Les Rhoades Les Rhoades's Gallery |
This morning I received an EFP on my "Twist and Shout" flower for the 24th.
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Emily Geddes |
Thanks for letting me know Les. At least now I can stop checking my gallery. [Although I thought "Susan's Halo" was one of my personal bests in the flower category.] Thanks to Sharon for starting this thread. Even if I don't always respond, I check here often - as I'm sure others do too.
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Sharon Day |
You're welcome, Emily! It seemed easier than going looking for them :D.
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Sharon Day |
Ok, it's been suggested we retire this thread due to scrolling and start a new one. What do you all think? If we do that I'll put the new link at the bottom of this one so you'll know where to find it again. It shouldn't be hard to find though :).
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Kim S. Hansen |
I was just thinking the same thing. Go for it!
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Sharon Day |
EFP Watch #2 thread. Just click on the link.
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Bunny Snow |
For what does EFP stand? I've heard of EP but not EFP.
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Sharon Day |
Editor's First Pick, some call them Editor's Pick :).
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