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Karma Wilson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/27/2004
 

Professional verses home versions of software


A few questions regarding software:

1. If I were to buy a student version of Photoshop and then by some miracle were to sell some images, what is the implication? It's for non-commercial use only, right? Would that be considered commercial, or am I misunderstanding?

2. What are the differences in certain versions of noise reduction software? Is home version acceptable, and again, is it only for non-commercial use? (Specifically I'm looking at Noise Ninja).

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5/15/2007 5:54:06 PM

 
Tareq M. Alhamrani
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/26/2006
  I am away from USA and Europe [I live in the middle east], so if you think that if you use non commercial softwares for commercial purposes then why not buy commercial softwares?
I am wondering if I use Photoshop student version, who cares if I sell my photos by useing student photoshop.
I don't think it is illegal if I use even MS paint and I sell my photos that they will ask me which softwares did I use to edit or post processing my photos.
I can edit my photos with any software doesn't matter if I will use for commercial or not, and I think that versions are just for the usage and the customers, I mean not all people can buy full photoshop, so they produce student version for example for those people who don't want full features of official commercial version, and if the budget is tight to buy that full version, so if you can afford full commercial versoin then go for it, if not then why you worry to use student version for commercial purposes, sell you works without any fear and have fun, I feel jealous now.


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5/16/2007 4:10:07 AM

 
Ariel Lepor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2005
  When you buy software, words like "home" and "pro" only refer to how good the software is. You own everything you make with it. If you are a student and buy a student version, that is because you are a student, and it is in order to support students. Home versions of programs, unless the license you buy specifies something different, just means it is for the average user. Pro versions have more features. If you own either one, you can do whatever you want with the results.

SO: YOU CAN SELL YOUR PICTURES, EVEN IF IT WASN'T A PROFESSIONAL VERSION OF PHOTOSHOP YOU USED TO EDIT IT. THIS HAS NOTHING WITH COMMERCIAL OR PERSONAL USE, as far as I know.


Regarding noise reduction, as it says on the Noise Ninja purchase page, higher licenses have some more features, such as use as a plugin with Photoshop, higher bit support, and multiprocessor support (if your computer has more than one cpu, as is the case with the intel macs).
I'm sure you've heard me talking about Helicon Filter here. It's much like Noise Ninja as far as noise reduction goes, plus it can edit other aspects of a photo. The licenses for this program are pretty much the same as for Noise Ninja, and there is also a free version. It only runs on Windows, btw.


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5/16/2007 9:55:34 PM

 
Ariel Lepor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2005
  Here is a old version of Helicon NoiseFilter. It only has the noise reduction ability, and doesn't have some of the advanced noise reduction in the newer versions, so the file size is much smaller than the current one, but maybe it will fit your needs.
http://www.photo-freeware.net/downloadstart-eng.php?id=190
Windows only.


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5/16/2007 10:03:51 PM

 
Denise A. Zabor   I contacted Adobe personally about the student version being used for commericial purposes. However I asked them about creating digital scrapbook elements for sale not tweeking or fixing photographs and they said the home and student version could not be used for commericial purposes. In other words I could not make profit off of anything I created with those versions. I was told in order to make a profit I would have to buy the full commericial version of Photoshop. Sounds like a fine line so I'm not sure if these rules apply to enhancing photographs as well I wouldn't thin so because you own your copyright to your photographs. You create digital scrapbook elements from the software tools in photoshop.


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5/17/2007 8:59:31 AM

 
Ariel Lepor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2005
  Like I said, if the license you agree to when buying or installing a program specifies something, that is the way it is. If Adobe software works the same for home and pro versions, then I would expect such a restriction could be in order, but it really is crazy, from my point of view, to tell people what they can do with the images they edit. I doubt you'd find the same restriction with other software, and you, Karma, should check with Adobe yourself, just be be sure.


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5/17/2007 10:44:26 AM

 
Ariel Lepor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2005
  Denise, since Adobe has absolutely no way to enforce this, why do they distinguish?

Just think: You make a graphic in Adobe Photoshop Home for you private use. One year later, you think to yourself, I want to use this for my business logo. But then, Oh, Wait! I made my copyright image in software that wasn't made for professionals! If this is what Adobe expects, I am surprised. If you make something, regardless of the program you use, you own the copyright 100% and can do whatever you want with it. It would be like saying, "Since my camera is point and shoot and not DSLR, Olympus would get angry if I sell one of my pictures."


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5/17/2007 10:48:55 AM

 
Denise A. Zabor   I know, it doesn't make sense to me either and I am just relating what I was told by adobe, but if you were using it for commericial purposes in a photography business or scrapbook business and somehow got called on it and had to produce a product id for your software. It could cause you some problems with copyright infringment as far as Adobe is concerned. I wonder if spending the few extra hundred dollars is worth keeping your business from getting sued in such a case. Downloadable free brushes and plugins online are also copyrighted and cannot be used for commericial purposes. So like I said its a fine line, but I think I would rather be safe than sorry.
Adobe said the user aggreement does say not for commericial use on the student and home additions. I don't remember seeing it either when I downloaded my Photoshop program.


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5/17/2007 11:06:38 AM

 
Ariel Lepor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2005
  Denise, I don't think it would ever happen that someone asks me how I make my graphics and for proof of that I own the license to the software. Furthermore, using a program that you bought is not copyright infringement. Using a graphic you make with it is not copyright infringement, since you made it for you and not Adobe. So where would the problem occur?

Having said that, I don't use Adobe software. For graphics, I use Inkscape, and a bit of GiMP, both of which are free for any use. For image editing, I use Helicon Filter Pro.

But still, I don't expect that other companies say what adobe says, and I don't think anyone would ever be called on by a company to prove that the software they used has the correct license.

It's a surefire way for a company to go out of business: Sue a guy who uses their program to make a graphic, and who uses that graphic for work.

Maybe Adobe meant that for a company that gives 100 workers the program to use, they would need the professional version. Ever heard of "home office"? How about a home license? ;)

Bottom line: There is no way for anybody to prove that you used a certain program to make a graphic.


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5/17/2007 11:27:19 AM

 
Denise A. Zabor   I think you should let Adobe in on that secret. LOL!


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5/17/2007 12:47:14 PM

 
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