 Sharon Day |
Pet Peeve Everyone a pet peeve so I thought I'd mention mine. If you're entering a photo of a place or landscape please include the location. Ok, I've been guilty of not mentioning locations too, but I'll try to remember. It really does make a photo a bit more enjoyable. Thanks!
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Samuel Smith |
then just ask in the category,where was this taken.like you said,i don't,but others need to?shutter speed,aperture,time of day?we need guidelines as to submitting photos?and then sure,no,it was'nt manipulated? I agree.now ya don't think any photographer would lie.is that where we are?well. just a question,not a judgement,sam
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Raymond H. Kemp |
Boy, do I agree with both Sharon and Sam's thoughts on this subject. I'm surprised how many contest winner images that I've seen that have little to no information about the capture of the image itself. Equally surprising was the many times I inquired about the image only to never receive a response from the photographer. I'll scroll through what seems like 6000 "atta boys" and not one of those were equally curious about how the image was taken??? Ray
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Bob Cammarata |
Location, species identification and technical data does make a photo much more enjoyable. Also,...a brief synopsis on the description line about the place or animal presented is beneficial. (Sometimes we like a little history, geography or biology lesson.)
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Sharon Day |
I don't see why anyone would lie, Sam. Unless they had something totally unusal they made up in PS. Even then they could just give some vague answer. I'm trying to do better. I saw a long thread about leaving off f/stops and shutter speeds and other relevant info so I went back and filled in when I used a long shutter speed for something like veiling water. I've never been very good to add that info because I usually have to adjust exposure in PS. Unfortunately I rarely get exposure exactly right.
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Samuel Smith |
hey sharon when I see a photograph of a building,old barn,etc. and the color runs all the way up to the roof line,and by the way,from the shadows it's not hard to tell the time of day to within an hour,there should be a slight change.but the notatation under the photo reads,some sharpening in ps. I agree with some here that enter the contests,i don't,that if a new background is inserted in a photo it should only be entered in digital darkroom.they're beautiful photos,but not quite real.another argument entirely I guess but takes away some of the credibility of photography. new members are overwhelmed with all the post production.they've been sold on the,this camera takes amazing pics story.some are ridiculed by the more proficient program users who label theirs as snapshots,or like was mentioned,won't return an email when asked for help. so sharon,as a member of this site,to me it's a lie. don't get me wrong,there are many here who help unselfishly.but a small number comparatively. is a following of great accolade members a new science I missed in high school?i think I took study hall. well,miffed enough people off,sam
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Colleen Farrell |
Hi everybody, I agree with all of you-- more information is helpful. On the other hand, I used to put in more detail than I do now. The reason why is because in a recent thread on this topic, someone pointed out that with post-processing of photos (just standard stuff, not replacing backgrounds, etc), the aperture and shutter speed values become almost meaningless. For example, if I take a photo with an EV of +1.0 but in processing the RAW image I change that to +.33, should I include all that data? I don't think so. I do always describe the subject, and say when I've used flash or something unusual--other than just holding the camera and pressing the shutter button. Maybe I should also include the use of diffusers, reflectors, etc... Again, I do agree that location, identification of subject and also what lens is used are all helpful. BTW, I also have made inquiries about how a photo was taken, and I get an answer about 75% of the time. Maybe folks just accidentally overlook the question if it's in a huge pile of "attaboys." ;)
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Heather M. Wareham |
Me being a new member I would like to know were the pictures were taken even the setting if they would like to put it. But even the setting might not help if they have sharpened or added more contrast. If they are not posting the picture how it looked when they added it to there computer with no work done. Then there is not point Of them telling us the setting there camera was set on. Because even if I had everything set the way they had it set my pictures will not look the same becuase they have doctored them up with some other program. I do think it a great Idea to say where the picture was taken. I would like to know what part of the world they were taken in. Well I guess I said my two cent in my own way.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Enjoy the food without a print out of the recipe?
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Mike Rubin |
If you are going to list the settings, then say why you chose them. A new person may not have a clue what the seetings mean but can learn a lot from the explanations. Let's get back to being more helpful around here.
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Samuel Smith |
colleen and heather,you made the same post.one as a novice and one as quite prolific as to a photo program.yet two complete ends as to a goal.the print without the recipe,the print with a recipe.ok,i guess one does exclude the knowledge of post processing.but not the goal.thanks greg. mike,you do yourself wrong.you never quit being helpful.but seetings. can't believe I did'nt p someone off,i'm slipping,sam
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Colleen Farrell |
Good points, all ... I'm going to do better from now on!
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Looking at some photo discussions, with photoshop filters done to it or even without, people who say things about the photos and they don't ask what was done. Even making comments like whatever filters you used or whatever was done, it looks great. So people still don't bother to ask.
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Samuel Smith |
do it for yourself colleen,approval is not a goal. I will step over and say I would like to see more of a sense of yourself in your gallery,and not a sense of a contest. sure, question a photo gregory,i got emails to laugh yourself to sleep.the adamant claims. it's a lot of fun,sam
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Colleen Farrell |
Don't worry, Sam, I plan to add information to be *helpful*, not for anyone's approval. I've learned from reading the shooting data on others' photos, and I imagine others could learn from my including a bit more on mine. At the same time, I realize the shooting data (at least f-stop and shutter speed) doesn't tell the whole story of every step that goes into making a photograph. As to your curious perception of what's in my gallery, I'm perplexed by your belief that there is no "sense of myself" in my photos, but rather a "sense of a contest," particularly since you know nothing about me. LOL But then, we often see what we want to see, eh? ;)
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Some people see what ain't even there.
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Samuel Smith |
you are helpful,you posted to this thread.that's positive. it takes only a few things,such as bio and postings to correlate a summation. your skills are very apparent in your gallery,very nice work.yet,and here's where I tend to ruffle feathers,so selective. you were very nice in your response.but can't we try to see what others see. that the apparent overexposure in a members gallery photo should not be given?or I guess the intent to help.even after the 20 atta boys? but if 20 says it's great,here's where you come in,it's great? this has everything to do with your opinion,and mine,and all,sam
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Heather M. Wareham |
I think they should have a page were you show your pictures with no work done to them. It seem that all the picture have been sharpened, cropped, coloured, lightened, shaped, highlighted or something else. I would like to see picture that have had no work done to see them in there true form. I look at picture and think wow that great how can I take a picture just like that. But fine out that there was lost of work done to it after it was taken. It would be like the picture with no MAKEUP lol lol. The just a thought.
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Sharon Day |
I know a landscape photographer whose work I'd like to see before editing. I don't want to show mine though LOL.
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- Dennis Flanagan Contact Dennis Flanagan Dennis Flanagan's Gallery |
Heather, unless you shoot in RAW, you won't see an unprocessed shot. And the nature of RAW is so that the photographer has more latitude in post-processing. Even in color film, you don't see a "naked" shot. The colors have to be adjusted in the lab, otherwise they would come out very flat too. About the only way you will see a true unedited shot is from slide film.
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Samuel Smith |
boy naked.i'm in enough trouble around here. my prints,400 speed film gets developed at cvs one hour.then I scan my photos and upload them here.are they as sharp as the prints,ah not really.do I care,ah not really. please don't get frustrated heather.trials and tribulation. some spend 5 minutes shooting and 4 to 6 hours editing.in no way can I say it's wrong,it's just not me. like the original question,even with the settings,is that the result you'll get?kinda,a grey area. maybe we trip our own triggers. sam
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Peter W. Marks |
I'm with Sharon on folk telling us where a place or landscape image was shot. This is not a demand, just a grovelling request that if you can spare me a few moments to do that it would bring me incalculatable joy! lol It adds nothing to the actual image of course but not to know where the image was shot is for me like trying to plan a vacation from a a travel brochure which has only pictures but doesn't say where they are of. When a place is named my curiosity leads me to google it and then explore all the websites relating to it. For instance, an image of an old mill is just that, an image of an old mill and as much as I love the weathered timbers and peeling paint, when I can read about its history and location I travel there in my mind and perhaps plan to visit one day. Now to the issue of whether the technical details add much to the image. The techies love that stuff of course and I wouldn't want to deprive them of their kicks, but in my own ignorance I have never been able to make much use of it; there are just too many variables for me to try to replicate the conditions under which it was shot. Greg made the cryptic point that queried whether we need to have the recipe to enjoy food. No! But at a dinner party when the hosts dish up something with an exquisite sauce on it you bet I ask if they can tell me the secret ingredients! Well, the coffee pot is empty so I should get on with my life. Have a great weekend friends. Pete
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Ah yes, and you should never feel any inkling that you don't have to hesitate one bit if you want to know, "what kinda sauce is this?". So go ahead and start clicking on those comment and contact buttons and just ask away. 
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Samuel Smith |
oh pete,then your also in agreement with colleen.that with the advent of photo programs settings are non important,that if you can go visit that place,your shots will render a better scene.a summation,not an accusation.that it's not a starting point,given time of day,lighting,whatever.hmmm.point well taken. but with my brief expierence with you,it is more of a visit to that place.i'm hoping it looks like that when you arrive. sam
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Films made to make things look more saturated has never been an issue. But keep up the good fight.
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Sharon Day |
Sam, settings are important only to a point. If you expose your shot based on what the camera meter is telling you I just don't see much point in adding that to the description. Let's think about this a minute. This is a CONTEST site. Sure it's a learning site too, but if a person wants to learn they can take a course OR ask the photog. If a person does not know the difference between shooting at 1/125th @ f/16 and 1/1000 @ f/5.6 then maybe they shouldn't be entering a contest :o). In all honesty I don't feel like messing with it. If I add it I have to go back to the EXIF to see what I did and that's a pain. AND it does no good to offer that info if you have to adjust it in PS but that's been said a couple of times now. For photos where it matters I do list it. As an example that would be when I enter a shot of water taken with a longer than normal shutter speed. None of it really matters. Unless I want to comment on every entry and say "nice shot, where is this?" it's unlikey anything will change. How many people do you suppose read the Q&A every day?
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Bob Cammarata |
It might be nice for some to learn at least what lens and other accessories were used. It's doubtful that aperture/shutter/post-processing info would really benefit...since a dozen people can attempt to follow the same recipe and come up with a dozen different results.
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Sharon Day |
True, Bob! Lenses are important too. I never think to put those and I do like it when someone puts what lens they used.
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Carol Teal |
When I first became a member, It did help me many times to see what aperture and shutter speed were used. Of course, many times I didn't get the same result because maybe the photo was shot at a different time of day or under different lighting conditions, but it gave me a good starting point. I would even look at some (like the waterfalls) and write down the info and put it in my camera bag so I could try it! :) I didn't get to try it out much though, because FL doesn't have waterfalls, except for manmade ones! :) I do include it on most of my photos, even going back to the photo in RAW Shooter to look it up. Usually it isn't much trouble because I still have it open with the photo still there.
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Samuel Smith |
foghorn leghorn here gregory.i have seen the different nomenclatures of films,chromes.not a clue.np,vc,npz. not a clue. however,i never saw a film with flood effect.would'nt have bought it anyway. i probably would have thought it came from a shop swamped by katrina. ah well,sam
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Ah, flood filters and the like, although a step and piece of equipment is eliminated with a direct digital camera picture instead of a scan of a negative, more a different beast than a film/digital being more valiant. Good day Mr. Leghorn 
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Samuel Smith |
not at all.only to question sincerity. sometimes with our own cause our vision is selective.knowledge is patterened.goals are isolated and the result is what?well,what we want.. no pet peeve,just a lack of understanding,sam
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Sharon Day |
Shall we return to the "pet peeve?" There is "no selective vision, knowledge patterned, isolated goals or lack of understanding" here. I would sincerely like to see people add in their description where a photo is taken. If it's a big deal then don't do it, but I will still wonder where the heck the pic was taken :o)!
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Mike Rubin |
Since this is a world wide community, Including the location is a good idea when it comes to scenics.
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Deborah Liperote |
I wish we could list what equipment we have. Like lens and lights, flash etc. like other websites not just the camera we shoot with. Then we could somewhat figure out what lens the picture was shot with. If they listed that automatically we wouldn't have to list what lens we used everytime in order for someone to get an idea of what lens was possible used. Just a suggestion.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
You could put that in your bio.
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Samuel Smith |
well ok,your pet peeve.is it to underscore your objective? sure I took a look at your gallery.many little notes,but lacking the info you prescibe,or ask others to do.hmmm. what about me.your sincerity wanes where I sit. you don't list much of anything.big deal.but with so many winners no one else has a clue either.could be a deceptive practice to get members to view your gallery.what's the take,here I am? rude or opinion,red relic
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Sharon Day |
What do you want, Sam?? A location for all the flower shots? You did not find one landscape photo in my gallery that didn't say where I took it. MY objective was to try and encourage people to put the locations of where a photo was taken, NOT camera settings. I'll let someone else do that particular pet peeve although I think it's already been done. I think you are confused. If not then you are confusing me ;)!
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Debby A. Tabb |
Hey Deb, How ya been? you can list your equiptment used such as lens ,light or camera settings ect. when you upload your pic. Or you can even go back and add that under: sign in and go to Edit you photos. and add discription. Have a great night, Debby
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Samuel Smith |
i want nothing.some would like to know the name of the flower.bearded iris,flaming hibiscus. I like the mystery to view a photo and go ahead and feel stuipid and take a guess. a backyard scene with an adirondack chair,taken by a person who is a retiree of ireland.it's neat in my narrow mind,not knowing,he retired out east in the u.s.. so I asked in a query,but I got to meet someone.pictures made,or a bit of that persons past,younger years,that shows basically who that person is,but only if we look. I was told several years ago by a town council member that if we raised our youth center membership fees we would only have to deal with half the kids,at a town meeting.i went.. another local died yesterday in iraq,i guess i'm not sure of pet peeve. we can help each other,but I guess the importance is my problem.wait,hold on,i have a list. hope your all fine tonight,rambling sam.
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Sharon Day |
Point taken on the flower shots, Sam. I have some named and others are not. I'll go back and name the ones I can identify. For the rest of it I'm sorry, Sam. Only a parent of a soldier feels worse than I do about what's happening in Iraq, however, you won't hear me speaking against the war. Our servicemen and women need our support and carping about the war is not supporting what they are trying to do over there, not that I'm accusing you of protesting the war by mentioning the death of a solder, not in the least. I come to BP so I don't have to think about it all. The news is depressing enough without injecting it in to the Q&As. So is city politics. If you have a pet peeve list then it sounds like you need to start your own pet peeve thread. This one was about identifying a landscape scene and just because I would like to know where a landscape photo was taken doesn't make me an insensitive person. Maybe I should have titled this, "photo pet peeve" so no one would mistake me for an uncaring individual.
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Glenn E. Urquhart |
Amen, Sharon!!! My son is an officer in the Marine Corp. Like you, I come to BP to escape all the political garbage all around me. Thank you for your comment of support... much appreciated.
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Samuel Smith |
don't go back.why?let these people contact you.geeez your a nice enough person,you'll respond,leave some mystery.perk their interest.might meet some,um,individuals. but to be sorry,i've got one opinion. b.s.it's just mine,and boy could I be so wrong. I say it and i'm right?bogus. escape,might work,sam
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Sharon Day |
You're such a nice person, Sam. I like to think I misunderstand you but I don't believe so. And by-the-way, since you don't know me then don't presume to tell me what kind of person I am or how I feel. You don't seem to mind picking on people and calling them liars in the Q&A so does that make you a "nice enough person"? I've met some, "um individuals" here. No thanks!
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Nobu Nagase |
...he is Sam-I-am..., ...took a bunch of pursuading... ...now likes green-eggs-and ham... ...so, never know... :)
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Samuel Smith |
point received and I appreciate your sincerity. grinch here.
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Samuel Smith |
maybe it just seems an oddity to me that out of the 45 guys I graduated with in such a little town of under 3,000,that 2 of them have lost sons in iraq. it just seems so unfair to me my community is paying such a high price. I have 2 kids that played ball for me,both marines.one's in iraq,the other states side. my 2 daughters stepbrother returned from afghanistan 2 weeks ago. escape..no I think we're stupid,meaning our community,i think we give too much. support=i believe in them,i will support them,or,i will carry their body bag off the field. all this happens.it's not a tv show or just a news report.but I will carry them off the field of battle and lay them at rest at their parents feet.i will look in their eyes and say thank you.i will tell the whole family how proud I am to have known them.as tears flow no sense is made of any of this,yet a sacrifce was made,but nothing changes. sleep tight tonight my friends,for in the morning the same problems will exist even after the deaths of so many. sam
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Peter W. Marks |
We seem to have come a long way from a perfectly sensible request for more information about photographic images to a very moving piece of prose about war and its consequences. This is a very legitimate part of being an artist as without this awareness of all of life (and death), I would suggest that one would be limiting one's creativity. Sam, it is interesting that you are able to give the statistics of class size, town size and number of death and perhaps this demonstrates how things have changed over the past fifty years or so. We are now bombarded in the media with daily body counts which it could be argued takes away from any well considered thinking about the consequences of not fighting that war or cause. In Britain, every town square or village churchyard has a war memorial listing the names of the fallen in two world wars. There was no TV giving us a body-count several times a day, no images of body bags or flag draped caskets being unloaded from aircraft. Mourning was a very personal thing shared only by family and friends and close neighbors and it was only years later that these names were publicly recorded in stone or bronze. Was this a good or bad thing? Would the war have ended sooner if the news programs had told us that yesterday another few hundred airman died on our bomber raids or were blown up by submarine warfare? I don't know the answer, but there can be only few of us who would have relished learning German or Japanese
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Kai Eiselein |
Thank you, Peter. Sam brings up this subject in every thread he posts to. I am a media professional, so deal with the war on a daily basis. I, too, know several young men and women who are serving in Iraq, including my wife's younger brother. What Sam doesn't seem to understand is that there is a time and place to vent his frustration, but it is not here.
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Samuel Smith |
i send my greatest respect to you peter.my father who served in the phillipinnes,he once spoke of an ear that landed on his shoulder.i didn't understand at 12 years old.but it wasn't long. these body counts are our friends, daughters,sons. friends sons.not just a count,not a stastistic. I guess I have become ashamed at myself,that I can't change things. I suppose my pet peeve is noted. sam
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- Dennis Flanagan Contact Dennis Flanagan Dennis Flanagan's Gallery |
Sam, as a Vet, there are lots of things you can do. Visit a VA, go to the airport and meet returning troops, volunteer with the USO... And you can always vote.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Anybody wishing for a peaceful film vs. digital debate?
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- Dennis Flanagan Contact Dennis Flanagan Dennis Flanagan's Gallery |
I'm still standing by my stance that music CDs will never replace vinyl LPs.
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David Pratt |
There are CD's, I am still using 8-track...
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Peter W. Marks |
Ah yes! And then there are those of us that are hoping that glass plate negatives and wax rolls will make a come-back! I believe the cause of Sam's frustration and indeed mine is that on a basic level we have more than just a gut feeling that we are among the millions that are being manipulated by 'big business'and man's greed for more monetory gain. Pete
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Samuel Smith |
film. media professional.one person cannot be a media professional.kinda narrows it down to one view or opinion. only thanks to peters generation can we even voice what we think. the media reports what editors approve.they worry about guidelines and liable.they wallow mashed potatoes back and forth in their mouths and can't figure out which side they're going to talk out next.they work on hand gestures to deliver a point,quote numbers,and talk of victims.just a thought. I vote,still have an original cream album on vinyl. oops forgot,the media,which is also influenced by politicians,seems to discredit and defame citizens who wish only to voice an opinion,and then legalities set in and geez. of course I think I just quoted easy rider.get a grip. dead kids,not dead numbers. been thru riley's childrens hospital with my own daughter.maybe I should put a photo of her glass eye in my gallery. no,more of a stealing parents from families,gone.so you write the letter that explains why that child has no father or mother. write it and post it,don't hand them the flag folded up,not the package speech,the real reason.i want to read it. still have a turntable,sam
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