 Peter W. Marks |
selfish uploads The category should be "Betterphoto" but you don't have this one. I thought the purpose of BP was to further folks' interests and skills in photography. You only allow one image a day in the contests which I am fine with but you allow uploads of 150 or worse at a time into galleries. Many of us use the "incoming" page to see who and what's new but having to wade slowly through (we can't all get DSL) 150 plus wedding images is soul destroying. Why not have a seperate section for those who only want to use BP as a storage file and not have these appear on the incoming pages? Pete Marks
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David Pratt |
A good point Peter. I too agree with you and I have a high speed connection. Swimming through tons of wedding and HS football games takes alot of time, when you just want to see whats new out there..
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
They have the option upon uploading to have photos public or private. So if those that choose public have a lot of photos to upload, I'm not sure how you can avoid having to look at them, or have them appear, with something that's made to show the most recent ones that are uploaded.
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher  Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGall2.php?catID-560 This link gives you new contest entries only.
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- Carolyn M. Fletcher Contact Carolyn M. Fletcher Carolyn M. Fletcher's Gallery |
...OR, you can use the pull down menu under contest (above) and I think Recent Entries takes you to the above link.
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Peter W. Marks |
I realise that Carolyn and do use that feature daily but there are thousands of images that are never entered into contests. And dare I say that often there are many of these that are far more interesting than a bunch of the "make an image to a formula so that it will win a contest" entries. I am not anti-contest by any means, there is some super stuff there, but they would be a whole lot more fun if folk would go out on a limb occasionally and not enter another darned flower image! I would love for someone (a judge for instance)to explain to this guy what it is about a full frontal shot of a daisy that makes it win worthy! Pretty? Yes. Perfectly in focus? yes. "Awesome DOF?" Give me a break! but yes. Great capture? Must have been a great adventure wandering out to their front yard! Perfect composition? Hell it was cropped to fill the frame- what's so win worthy in that? Thanks for coming back to me guys. Have a great weekend. Pete
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
I see your point, but that's not something the site can really do something about.
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Peter W. Marks |
I understand what you are saying Gregory but if BP knows how to limit competition entries to one a day their programers sure as heck know how to write a few lines of code to limit other entries to five or so a day. All it takes is the will on BP's part and hey, we are paying customers too! Of course it can be argued that the person who uploads 150 wedding images pays but with five a day they would have to spread them over a whole month and it might persuade them that just because their camera can fire off four or five shots in two seconds it really isn't necessary to load every last one. Just chose the one where the kid doesn't have his eyes closed and show that to the world! Pete
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
You can't put a limit on how many photos a person can upload at a given time to their own gallery or web site just because you don't want to look through the page that shows all uploads. That's like wanting a library to limit the number of books so you won't have to walk to the other side of the library to find what you want. Besides, that doesn't interfere with learning purpose of the BP.
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Chuck |
I have to agree with Peter. I'm new to this forum but have been looking at photos/art on this site for well over a year. My wife bought me an XTi for Christmas and I am trying to learn as much as I can about taking photos and creating art. I like to look at the new arrivals as well as contest entries for ideas, compositions, etc. I really don't understand why someone feels they need to show EVERY photo taken of a wedding from ceremony to reception. I've taken quite a few photos with my new camera but maybe only a few that I would even consider posting and I'm not sure they are what I want shown. I do know that I didn't become a member here to be posting multiple "snap shots" of my kids being silly just to be posting to a photo site. I love many of the wedding photos also, expecially the candids of bride and groom gazing into each others eyes....those photos say something. If I only have time to look at maybe 3 new pages per day, I really don't want them to be all of the same thing. Sorry for rambling.
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Heather M. Wareham |
I know for the contest you can only up load one a day. So if you look through thoses pages its what people think is there best shots. I know you might not think its the best pictures but in there eyes it is. I think if you see pictures that people up load to there files you might see a picture that they think isn't that great but you think is great. Or you might want to ask were it was taken. I do think it alot of pictures if you up load your pictures of your hole wedding and a trip you might have taken three hundred pictures. Im sure the pictures they have up loaded are just there FAVORITES not all the pictures they might have taken. I know I try to just up load my favorites. Well This is just my thought Thanks
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
In my year and half here, I've never once considered browsing the "New Arrivals"... I mean, if the contest alone features 800+ entries a day, how many new photos get put onto BP per day? 3,000? 5,000? More? Remember it isn't just the Free Galleries... And, it isn't just a matter of people posting images say, for their clients to review (so they upload a hundred wedding shots at once.) People are regularly uploading images to be part of a chat thread, to illustrate a point, etc., to upload images for a class, to upload a bunch of photos at once that will take some time to sort out and organize in their galleries, later. (And to upload those pics of their kids being silly, perhaps for grandma to view later.) I personally think the idea of trying to stay on top of all new incoming images on BP would be a pointless endeavor for me... I don't know why that link even exists, because you could never hope to catch every new entry during a day. I find it already impossible just to try and stay on top of watching the 800 new contest entries each day... Nor do I want to, really. I much prefer to dip into the contest entries from time to time, based on mood, maybe skim a category... (in addition to periodically viewing the galleries of my favorite photographers on BP, which I save as favorites in my Explorer Links for easy access.) Then, when the winners come out, I get to enjoy the best of what I missed, in a much more digestible format. If someone has uploaded a true masterpiece, and didn't enter it into the contest, I may never see it... but then, it suggests to me that the photographer isn't all that interested in capturing a wider viewing audience anyway, since the contest is one of the easiest, most popular ways to "get your work out there" amongst the BP viewers.
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anonymous |
Just make it easy on yourselves - don't view the new arrivals, if you don't like wading through hundreds of wedding photos. Or if you do want to view the new arrivals, then - well, don't complain. It doesn't take very long to click from page to page. I agree with Chris B - staying on top of the new incoming images???? Man, turn the computer off and go outside. I know I shouldn't take this thread personally, but I have slightly, I have been one of those people who have added 60+ wedding photos to my gallery. The reason - as of today, I didn't have my own personal website, my clients needed to see my wedding photos and I needed somewhere to show them. To date, I have been using my premium gallery as a temporary website until I finalised mine. I wanted potential clients to see more than just my 5-10 best shots of the day, I wanted them to see how I captured a wedding from start to finish. This was the only place at that moment for me that could do it. As far as I see it, I pay for my gallery, I have every right to add what I like when I like as long as I don't go over the quota. But, as of today, I will no longer need to, as I have finalised my website and it is finally up and running. I don't mean to sound snappy, tonne of voice doesn't come across very well in print, but yes, I am disappointed in this thread. Nat
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Julie Wall |
I agree with Nat. I've been a member for what? 2 years or so? I didn't even notice the incoming gallery link (how bad is that? No powers of observation and I call myself a photographer! Oh the shame!) I've had my premium gallery up 2 years in April, which I pay for, there by giving me the right to post just as many pictures as my alloted storage space will allow. Now if I upload ALL my pictures in one day, and they all suck (in someone else's opinion) I'm sorry you had to wade through my family's cheerleading championship, football games, reunion shots, and yes, that daisy in the front yard. With the exception of the daisy (which I laid on cold dirt and concrete on my stomach to capture because *I* thought it was pretty, and it sold, btw, so apparently someone else did, too) I have done none of the above. I am very selective about what I post in my gallery, because I do show it to people to get constructive criticism from my peers locally, as well as using it to find out which prints my family members want. And maybe my photos are REALLY bad...I mean, I've never won a contest on this site and have entered more times than I care to mention, but apparently the judges saw something in that other guy's daisy that they didn't see in mine, and that's great...I enjoy looking at the finalists' (haven't been one of those yet, either) and winners' images to see what I can do to improve in my technique. I, too, apologize for sounding a little offended, but, yes, I took this a little personally myself. I don't go for all the styles of photography out there, so I just look at the categories that interest me and read the q's and a's to find my answers. Have a great night, all! Jules
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Peter W. Marks |
Oh dear! Ruffled a few feathers here, didn't I! Sure didn't want anyone to take offense and of course had no way of knowing that there would be any forum users who post multiple wedding photos etc reading my post. I certainly didn't want this to develop into a pissing contest but I don't think I suggested anything outrageous in appealing for folk to give some passing thought to other users. As for membership giving us a "right" to upload as many etc etc, I have to totally agree that it isn't against BP's rules and certainly didn'y suggest it was, but to use an analogy, I have the "right" the drive down a narrow one-way street at 10 miles an hour unless it is posted otherwise but that would be very selfish if there was a line of vehicles behind me. And just as an aside, I never suggested I looked at every incoming page did I? With my first coffee in the morning at 5.15am I try to take a look at the first two or three pages before hitting the shower. And Nat, I am cursed with a very slow dial-up with no opportunity to have cable or DSL so yes it does take an age to "click from page to page" Sure I could take your suggestion to switch of the computer and go outside. 5.15 am, snow on the ground and a windchill of minus 5F. I am sorry I offended you but you trying to kill me girl? lol My original post was not aimed at members (mea culpa, mea culpa) but perhaps mistakenly I was hoping BP staff would at least consider the point I was making. I had no idea that the galleries were being used for commercial purposes so if you guys are OK with that I shall just have to shrug and say "so be it!". Love your work guys. Have a great weekend. Pete
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Tamera S. Phillips |
Well I'm one of those people who post "another darned flower image" but I take no offense. I happen to love working with flowers and find that I've gotten pretty good at it. I reach outside the box every now and then and in fact - two of those images were finalists this month. I don't care what people use their galleries for. I'm just here to learn and share. To each his/her own.
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Sharon Day |
This is interesting :o)! #1. LOL @ soul destroying wedding photos. Rude but funny! BTW, I enjoy nice weddng photos even if I do dislike looking at people photos for the most part. Not here as much as friends that think you have nothing better to do than look at the family album with 100 shots of the life of Aunt Betty while they have to explain each shot. Little kids are cool, but snapshots are soul destroying too :o)! I wouldn't dream of asking people not to upload them though. #2. I liked Gregory's response, "That's like wanting a library to limit the number of books so you won't have to walk to the other side of the library to find what you want." Sure glad our library doesn't limit books LOL. #3. Flowers. Ok so you don't like flowers either, Peter. Just as a matter of curiosity what do you like to look at?? LOL #4. Ruffled feathers?? Nope, not me :-)! I think the whole thing is funny :o)! Thanks for the laugh.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
More like you have the right to drive down a narrow street, but think it selfish that other people are leaving for work around the same time you are, making traffic heavy, causing your dial-up AMC Pacer to over heat in the slow moving traffic. It really is a ridiculous request.
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Peter W. Marks |
Good morning Sharon! 1) The only thing worth looking at in wedding pics are the bridesmaids.Well at least they were when I was avaialable and they were available! 2) The library analogy isn't as good as you might think. My library and probably yours too has aisles and cross aisles so that I can start browsing anywhere I chose or walk straight to the section with "ZEN" or "Zoology". I don't have to start at "Aarvark" and slowly walk every aisle. 3)Sharon, I do like flowers but genuinely am curious as to why they seem such a popular subject. What emotion do they stir in the photographer and the viewer and especially the judges? What do I like viewing? Beautiful women,boats, and crumbling rust and decay. Boy, do I empathise with crumbling decay! And did I mention beautiful women? lol Have a blessed Sunday.
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Sharon Day |
"Beautiful women,boats, and crumbling rust and decay. Boy, do I empathise with crumbling decay!" Ok, that clarifies things a little. The solution is for BP to categorize all incoming photos by subject AND quality. Simple solution :D.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
That's why you go to where you might find what you're looking for, like a contest winner categories or even thru individual deluxe sites, instead of whining about a link that to takes you to every single picture uploaded regardless of where it's going or what it's for.
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Susan Fox |
I'll throw my 2 cents in. Peter you asked: "What emotion do they stir in the photographer and the viewer and especially the judges?" Sometimes a photo is just a pretty photo with no intent to evoke an emotion. It reminds me of something Renoir said about his paintings: "What seems to me most significant about Impressionism is that we have freed painting from the importance of the subject. I am at liberty to paint flowers without their needing to tell a story." I think that applies here as well. A photographer is free to produce a pretty photo without having to convey an emotion or tell a story. And just because a photo just seems pretty to you, without creating an emotion, it may to someone else. It's all subjective, which is what makes art and photos so wonderful.
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Peter W. Marks |
No one forced or invited you to come on this thread Mr La Grange. So for someone who is so insecure that he has to use a purple typeface in order to get noticed, it is somewhat juvenile to insult someone who addressed his original, perfectly reasoned query to the BP staff.
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Sharon Day |
Gregory can defend himself, but he does have a good point about visiting galleries you know you'll enjoy. I must have a hundred galleries bookmarked. When I get tired of looking at the mundane I start clicing on favorites. Susan, I love that quote from Renoir!
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Heather M. Wareham |
Well Everyone see's something different. Some will like flowers some will not. Some will not like looking a picture of just a red door. Every picture will move someone different. We all don't see the same thing or feel the same thing about pictures or anything at that. Just like this thread everyone has there own thoughts about it. ya not everyone wants to look at wedding pictures or flower or fruit or trees. Well in that case don't. If you go to the photo page they have the pictures in groups. So that way you can look at what you like. I think everyone is taken it to personal. Relax and Enjoy the photos that we personaly like. To you all HAVE A GREAT WEEK SMILE.
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Julie Wall |
Hi, Peter... Decay is something I've been shooting over the last couple of weeks. I haven't had a lot of time to upload, so you won't see them in my gallery just yet, tho. As far as pretty girls and boats? You won't find many of those in my uploads, but you might find crumbling rust amongst the daisies. :) I kind of had to laugh yesterday. My best friend and I were out shooting decay (i.e. old ramshackle buildings) and it was freezing cold. BUT there was a daffodil coming up all by itself, and I wanted to try some apeture tricks with my new camera. I was down on all fours on the corner of two state highways shooting this daffodil, feeling somewhat conspicuous, and thought about this post. And smiled. Happy Sunday, all of you! :) Jules
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anonymous |
Peter Ok, "I have the "right" to drive down a narrow one-way street at 10 miles an hour" is not a good analogy. As, in Betterphoto, viewing "recent uploads" is not the only way to view photos in this place, unlike the street, where that is the only way to get home. As for Gegory, you didn't invite anyone to this thread, and we have all given our two cents worth (that is what forums are for), but because you didn't like Gregory's answer, you said "No one forced or invited you to come on this thread Mr La Grange" - not very nice. Digging at him personally too about any "insecurities" he might have, was a bit low as well. As of 2 days ago, I never even new there was a "new arrivals" button to view the new down loads (until you pointed it out with this thread), so I never knew uploading 60 photos to my own personal gallery that I pay for would upset or offend someone. Although, yes I know it wasn't directed at me. But, there are many ways to view photos in BP, not just through "new arrivals". So, I feel fine and can sleep at night knowing I am not holding up the traffic when there are other roads that can be travelled. I understand it must be difficult with a slow dial up connection. But unfortunately, that is something that you need to work with/deal with going forward if what you want to do and what your service provider can offer doesn't match. Nat
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Who Me? |
hey, you forgot about the stolen avatars. Gregory is very smart and I don't think he is insecure, just creative.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Well there wasn't a velvet rope across the door, so I just came on in. It's the child like qualities that have me seeing people free to upload as many pictures as the want. Not counting the total limits per gallery and deluxe sites of course. Now if I had some typical juvy in me(you know how entitiled teenagers can be), then I might agree with making everybody only upload 5 a day because otherwise it's an inconvenience to me. Almost forgot, the avatar disclaimer. I am the creator, animator, and curator of all cartoons everywhere.
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Who Me? |
OK Chuck Jones. I'm sure warner bros. would like to send you a royalty check.
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