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dave 
 

Making us male photographer look bad


Bill Bradford spent much of the 1970s and 80s luring attractive young women by posing as a model photographer and showing up at model car shows and bars in Southern California, Illinois, Texas and Florida.


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11/12/2006 12:34:28 AM

 
Jon Close
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/18/2000
  ???


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11/12/2006 8:02:20 AM

 
Raymond H. Kemp
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/2/2004
  He's talking about the California killer on death row where he murdered some of women he photographed. The police are trying to track down the other models to see if they are still alive.

I don't think the actions of one kook casts that heavy of a shadow on "male" photographers.


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11/12/2006 8:41:07 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  The image of Daves went down a couple points.


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11/12/2006 10:17:39 PM

 
KV Day
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/25/2005
  LOL Greg.. I spit my coffee out at your mini pic lol TFF


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11/13/2006 3:45:46 AM

 
dave    well my problem lately is that I have to have their friend come along (which is a distraction) or hire an assistant(which they insist on a female). Ever since they aired that show on this pyshco photographer. Then I get drilled with questions by the mothers and also have to sign a contract that states anything I do with the photos has to be ok'd by them first. The worst is when the mothers come along on the shoot (which is understandable, they want to protect their children) and coach them and ask me to erase certain photos and "let me see that one" to approve. I love to do these senior shoots, but it has become a 911 thing all of a sudden.


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11/13/2006 10:28:08 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  It will probably die down. Otherwise you'll have to stretch your people skills, for lack of a better term. Get your point across that you welcome and understand her being there, but you're also killing the vibe. The more the daughter relaxes, has fun, has a flow, the better the pictures will be. Quit interrupting and we'll get to the editing out at the end.
Try having her hold a reflector and tell her just stand there.


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11/13/2006 11:22:45 AM

 
dave    always easier said then done. I'm the nicest guy "maybe too nice" and that might scare them. Nice guy always come in last place, serves to be true.
At $350 for the sitting fee, I don't think I could get them to hold the reflector (but I did have a nice chuckle at the thought).


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11/13/2006 11:29:02 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Then try the relate tactic. Say you saw the same story, you have the same concerns, you want to cooperate and if there's a certain type of photo you want or the daughter wants, speak up. But there can be a point where constant outside input becomes interruption and that takes the fun out of it. And put it on the mother that it's the daughter that's being robbed of the fun.


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11/13/2006 11:35:06 AM

 
Jon Close
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/18/2000
  >>"well my problem lately is that I have to have their friend come along (which is a distraction) or hire an assistant(which they insist on a female). Ever since they aired that show on this pyshco photographer. Then I get drilled with questions by the mothers and also have to sign a contract that states anything I do with the photos has to be ok'd by them first. The worst is when the mothers come along on the shoot (which is understandable, they want to protect their children) and coach them and ask me to erase certain photos and "let me see that one" to approve. I love to do these senior shoots, but it has become a 911 thing all of a sudden."<<

All of this sounds like something a prudent photographer working with minors would WANT to do any way to protect themselves against charges of impropriety. The clients are concerned with their safety and privacy, but you should be equally concerned with protecting yourself from charges of indecent conduct.


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11/13/2006 1:48:44 PM

 
dave    I just know the difference being alone with the subject and would rather risk it. I don't mind if they wait in the car nearby, just don't want them there on the spot. When you have new people in front of the camera, they get shy when someone else is watching. The shyness is almost non-existent 1 on 1 from my experience.


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11/14/2006 10:55:27 AM

 
Jon Close
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/18/2000
  And what's your contingency if a 17 yr. old becomes completely uninhibited while shooting 1-on-1; then when you give them the proofs she has regrets/embarrassment and her upset parents come after you with charges of contributing to the deliquency of a minor (or worse)?


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11/14/2006 12:11:28 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  UH OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


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11/14/2006 2:36:32 PM

 
David A. Bliss   "And what's your contingency if a 17 yr. old becomes completely uninhibited while shooting 1-on-1; then when you give them the proofs she has regrets/embarrassment and her upset parents come after you with charges of contributing to the deliquency of a minor (or worse)?"

You never let it get that far. If a minor subject starts acting or posing inappropriatly, you end it right there. A sitting fee is not worth the risks. Especially for senior portraits, most people will not question if you ask them to sit a different way, because that pose in inappropriate.


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11/14/2006 3:07:01 PM

 
Oliver Anderson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/16/2004
  Freakyyyyyy. You're photographing a minor, you want her to be uninhibited and you want to work 1 on 1. All I can say is that would raise a FEW red flags with me.


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11/14/2006 3:55:30 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  And the paranoia rolls on thru.


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11/15/2006 12:04:56 AM

 
dave    I didn't say I would shoot sexy pictures (no way)!!


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11/15/2006 12:48:33 AM

 
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