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Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 

STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY #22


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10/24/2006 5:55:40 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/10/2005
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  Just wanted to say Top of Morn everyone, and DEB hope u r enjoying that Morning Coffee, I'm off to get mine.

Glad to see a new thread get on the way....

Tootles
Donna
"Photographer is about like and how we present it to the viewer"


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10/24/2006 6:33:50 AM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Just wanted to say hi! I'm still reading but have been busy. Hope everyone is doing well!


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10/24/2006 7:01:39 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
 
 
  All Smiles
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  So cute
So cute
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Hey all! Here is the little girl I photographed last night. So cute!! The parents didn't want anything spectacular. Just a close up, really.


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10/24/2006 8:52:09 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Too cute Danielle.

I made it to the new thread have a great day. Gotta go yell at corporate a little more. I will NOT lose another applicant due to their slowness in decision making. I already told them if I lose her they best get looking for a new DM as I can't do this. It is Christmas time here hello wake up and smell the coffee here!! I NEED STAFFING YESTERDAY.

renee


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10/24/2006 10:22:06 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi all, Deb, I'm so glad to see another thread start!

Danielle, that baby is so cute! Esp in the second pic. She looks kind of "squished" in the first one.

Deb, thanks for flipping the photo. I hadn't meant I didn't know how to do it, but if I did, then the wording would be backwards on her shirt. I really wished I had planned ahead...but I took so many pics of the two of them, who knew which ones we would have chosen.

Also, I had already figured it out about the hand placement on Courtney's pic. I am just sooo happy with Ashley's, and wish her's came out as well! Thanks for your time Deb! Jess


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10/24/2006 2:48:02 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi, All. Just checking in to keep up to date. Been busy with personal stuff. My studio is temporarily closed since we moved, but I'm still getting orders in from my clients back in Houston. I've been practicing and playing, though, my latest work is in my gallery here at BP. My poor kids! My only subjects lately, and my son is in kindergarten now, so my daughter is subjected to mommy's harrassment!! LOL! She's actually starting to really like to be in front (and behind!!) the camera, now, though. Lately my work has been limited to nursing my family back to health. My son was sick, then my daughter got sick, then my son broke his arm, then my daughter got sick again, now me and my hubby are both getting sick and simply exhausted... so it's good that I'm not busy with the studio right now. Glad to see this thread continue and some renewed interest in it. Hope all is well!!!


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10/24/2006 3:01:46 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi Laura, sorry to hear about your family. Hopefully your get your new studio up and running soon without any hitches! LOve the new pics in your gallery,and esp love "Angelic" I saw some of the maternity pics on your other website, and really like them. How do you keep the wings on the baby? that's one thing I ws wondering. J.


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10/24/2006 4:44:41 PM

 
On3 Photography
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/15/2006
  just trying to keep up ...


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10/24/2006 10:15:26 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Hey, guys can anyone help me or give advice on how I should proceed with the following issue. This totally ruined my day!
A few months ago I started creating cards and announcements using photoshop. Well today I recieved this email from some card company in New Jersey:

"Shawna:

I recently came across your site at http://www.bellatristanophotography.com and was concerned to find that your cards and announcements page contains several designs that are copies of some of the designs on my site, http://www.metrobabycards.com. All of my designs are clearly copyrighted and protected by US and International Copyright Laws, as well as registered with the US Copyright Office. I take copyright infringement very seriously, and it is unlawful to infringe on copyrighted material.

Your Julia/Ryan/Modern Christmas designs are direct copies of my Chloe/Edgar/Warm Wishes Designs.

I'd rather handle this personally with you and not have this escalate any further than it has to. I would rather not involve my attorney. If you would remove all the designs mentioned above from both your site and myspace profile, I will consider this matter closed, as long as none of your future cards and announcement designs look like any metrobabycards.com design.

Be advised that if no response is received by this Friday, October 27, 2006, my next step will be to contact your web host (with my proof and sworn statement of copyright) as they may become involved in any legal action I may have to pursue in order to protect my copyright. You can put an immediate stop to this legal process by simply removing my copyrighted designs.

Thank you very much for your attention to this matter. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at info@metrobabycards.com.

Thank you.

Christina
www.metrobabycards.com
modern birth announcements for the metro baby"

I had never heard of this company and am not sure how to proceed. My cards also have a copyright on them, and I found this info on the www.copyright.gov website:

"How to Secure a Copyright
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See “Copyright Registration.”

Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is “created” when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. “Copies” are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm. “Phonorecords” are material objects embodying fixations of sounds (excluding, by statutory definition, motion picture soundtracks), such as cassette tapes, CDs, or LPs. Thus, for example, a song (the “work”) can be fixed in sheet music (“copies”) or in phonograph disks (“phonorecords”), or both. If a work is prepared over a period of time, the part of the work that is fixed on a particular date constitutes the created work as of that date.

If a work is prepared over a period of time, the part of the work that is fixed on a particular date constitutes the created work as of that date."

They are very similar, but how do I know she didn't copy mine, I mean its just 3 pictures in a row with some block coloring and dots?
Any help would be appreciated as I have no previous experience with this and am shocked at how crazy some people are.


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10/25/2006 4:24:04 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Personally Shawna,
I would just leave it be, you files will have the " crated dates" on them.
Fully copy righting is vERY expensive for each design, I doubt the are truly leaglly copy written.
How ever, if they are, she will have to provide Proof of cretion date as well.
and the copyrighted material includes the portraits used, I am sure you did not photograph the same subjects.
Plus litigation is VERY, VERY expensive, Big companies can't do it for there designs, only thier Portraits.
Wishing you the very best,
Debby


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10/25/2006 5:27:40 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Crap o matic. They have so many card designs on their site they could probably contact anybody whose ever designed a card and tell them they're infringing on a copyright. Not helpful... but true.

Okay I don't really know much about this subject but what does she care?? You're not competition. People who didn't have pictures taken with you can't get cards with you. You two have nothing to do with each other. And you have a copyright too. So I say you write her back (so she doesn't contact the host) and tell her that your work also has a copyright (and that you suggest she remove her stuff or you'll contact her host... JK). See where it goes from there. Hopefully they'll be friendly.

Good luck!!


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10/25/2006 5:27:48 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  I process aviation manuals and we don't copyright the format/forms of our manuals as we found out that a person only need change your form slightly and that then alters the copyright of your form, i.e. "Original Created" work.

It is my understanding that if the original work is altered then it is no longer considered copyrighted, as you are not showing the "created original" work. If you showed the original created piece of work in its entirety then it would be an enfringement on the person's copyright.

You can also go to www.legalzoom.com for additional legal terminology and advice for photographers, BP also has someone here that helps with Legal Advice for Photographers I believe.

In regards, to "how do you know if she didn't copy your work" the original copyright would have had to been dated, and I am sure that your work although not copyrighted has "properties" data of when created, modified, accessed. Also, if it is your photography your EXIF data would verify your work.

You could also request before any removal that she fax/email a copy of the original work with copyright for verification/authenticity.

I hope this helps Shawna


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10/25/2006 5:28:54 PM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Shawna, I responded to what Jessica asked me earlier and copied your question over to there, just to avoid cluttering up Deb's studio thread. But unfortunately, I feel compelled to respond to what she's said here because she's giving you some really bad advice. In fact, her advice is fraught with so many legal pitfalls and inaccuracies (other than the comment about the cost of litigation) as to lead you into a sense of complacency. She's basically telling you to do nothing. You can't NOT do SOMETHING.

If you were sued for infringement, for example and failed to respond, the Court could take a default judgment against you in the statutory amount of $174,000 for each copyright violation the plaintiff proves. Debby says ignore the cease and desist request. She's simply incorrect.

Debby says:
"Personally Shawna,
I would just leave it be"

This would be the absolute worst thing you could do.

"....you [sic] files will have the " crated dates" on them."

This has NOTHING to do with actual copyright law. Arguably, it could be considered one of many triable issues of fact in court. But it has nothing to do with proof of registration, creation or being able to litigate or defend claims of your copyright.

"Fully copy righting is vERY expensive for each design, I doubt the are truly leaglly copy written."

Timely Copyright registration is the cheapest and best protection an artist including a photographer can have and in fact, should have to protect their work. Work can be submitted to the Copyright Office in bulk for the same filing fee. $30 bucks can buy a lot of protection.

"How ever, if they are, she will have to provide Proof of cretion date as well."

Creation dates have little to do with this. Registration is what she needs to prove before she can file a claim infringement.

"...and the copyrighted material includes the portraits used, I am sure you did not photograph the same subjects."

But this is the same problem. If the work isn't actually registered, you can't protect it.

"Plus litigation is VERY, VERY expensive, Big companies can't do it for there designs, only thier Portraits."

I don't have the slightest clue what this means. The Hallmark Card Co. registers copyrights on virtually every single greeting card they publish as does every other card company, whether it involves a photograph or not. The size of the company doesn't matter. The copyright registration laws apply equally to everyone or every company, regardless of how big or small and the fees are the same no matter who or what is registering what work.

Deb, I know you mean well, I know you want to help people but this one is beyond your expertise. Stick with photography. Please.

And as I told Shawna in my reply, this really isn't a forum for airing specific legal problems because, among other things, these comments can be extracted from here and used as "admissions or declarations against (your own) interest or statements to challenge evidence presented in a judicial proceeding. Hypotheticals is one thing, specifics over a real case and real controversy...nope. No goodsky. Not here.

Be well
Mark


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10/25/2006 5:54:14 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Sorry you feel that way Mark, but I work with major companies and do know quite a bit about this issue.
But by all means, shoot you opinions.


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10/25/2006 6:28:11 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Keep in mind Shawna,
Nothing is real until you have paper service with proof of delivery.
At that time you can remove the items in question until Proff of actual ownership is determined.


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10/25/2006 6:50:38 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Wow, I didn't mean to start such a controversy. I was just curious if anyone else had ever been in a similar situation. obviously I'm going to do SOMETHING, just don't know what yet.


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10/25/2006 7:24:05 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  OK, switching gears...what is the average workflow time of a sitting, and for how many pics do you do altering to? If you take 30-50 pics, how many different pics are ususally chosen by the client, and do you edit/fix each pic? So how much time are yo spending per sitting????

TIA Jess


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10/25/2006 7:33:09 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Shawna... you and this card designer have several very similar designs, not just the one mentioned... but they aren't EXACT, and if she has copyrighted them officially, she cannot have rights to every possible version of them, anyway. I have seen SO MANY other photographers and template designers with VERY similar designs... it's just what's popular right now. My big question is how did she find YOUR site and what was she doing looking through your card designs??? Is she getting ideas from you, changing them slightly and then threatening you? How do you know she is/isn't? You don't. All I can say is that I've seen almost identical designs on SO MANY sites.


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10/25/2006 7:36:11 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  OOOOOH, Jess, I'm the WRONG person to answer this!!! My sessions take from 1 to over 4 hours, depending on the session. (Newborn sessions take MUCH longer than others to allow for feedings, comforting, changing, etc.) BUT, I'll keep my client with me til I can't think of another shot or until they just don't seem to be into it anymore. Usually, we talk and laugh and time flies SO fast, though!! I can take from 60 to 250 pics in a session and typically end up with between 40 and 150 proofs (way too many, I think... orders take FOREVER to come in with so many proofs to pick from!!) I'll usually sell a couple of larger prints (8x10-16x60) and a 5x7 or 4x6 of most of the other proofs. Like I said... with a ton of proofs, it takes them a long time to decide and order, then sometimes a long time to get the money together for their order. Time per sitting... WAY TOO MUCH!!!!!! I really have to cut down, discipline myself and streamline my processes.


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10/25/2006 7:42:20 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Laura said:
then sometimes a long time to get the money together for their order.

Speaking of which... what kinds of payments do you guys accept? And what kind of payment plans? Pay up front? All at once? In segments?


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10/25/2006 7:52:35 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Laura, if you have that many pics to go through, you can't possibly be being paid for your time. That's why I'm wondering how much time on yourworkfow you're spending, or do you not alter the pics much? With my two girls that I posted before, there was acne and bad skin to edit out, but with babies, it may not be that much editing required.(?)

Danielle, I haven't yet, but my daughter's friends have mentioned that they would like me to do their pics now. I have to work out a price scale now. I think it'll be cash or check for now.


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10/25/2006 7:58:39 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I take payment for their session and print minimum at their session (before if by credit card, as I only have PayPal for credit cards right now). I invoice them once their order is placed (usually via PayPal) and don't start work on custom collages, cards or editing to order until it's paid in full. If they want to split their order, I will invoice for part, they pay, I order. Then when they're ready to order more, they let me know, I invoice, they pay I order. Hope that helps!!

Night, All. I'm going to spend some time with hubby before lights out. Until tomorrow!! :)


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10/25/2006 8:00:01 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  So, Laura, you only place the order for what they've already paid for? Am I understanding that correctly? And are there any tricks for Paypal or is it just sign up and go? I used to use it with eBay but I've never really used it for anything else.

Jess - I do simple edits. Like exposure (I shoot in raw) and anything so glaringly bad that it makes the picture look bad. Other than that I leave it be and let it be known to the customer that they can request additional edits. I always have to adjust each image they choose, anyway, for the print profile, print sizes, and to add my logo. But I think if the edits were really extensive (such as acne) I'd only do it if the client specifically requested it and I'd probably charge a bit more as that can take a LOT of time.


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10/25/2006 8:03:51 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  LOL! Jess... I'm really NOT paid for my time. My in-studio session fee ($25)is too cheap to even really cover the session right now... let alone editing, posting, order consultation, invoicing, edit to print, order with lab, print inspection, packaging, shipping (I charge them the exact shipping, but packing it up takes time, too) and follow up... I literally make nothing on all of that! My print prices aren't TOO bad, but could use a boost to increase my profit.

OK... NOW off the computer for the night! ;)


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10/25/2006 8:04:39 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  I usually do 1.5 to 2 hour sittings. This also depends on the sitting, Model Portfolios, Classic Headshots, etc. of course I recently did some Pet Portraitures and went a little over time...DOGS do not pose easily...LOL.

Most times the pics are as is, unless I personally really like one and don't want to loose it, then and only then, might I do some "touchup editing" or some experimentational effects, before presenting the proof to the client. Otherwise, touchup editing is an extra charge.

Most times with the right lighting, makeup, and use of different reflectors touchup would not be necessary.

Good Luck Shawna on your dilemma, I hope all turns out in your favor.

Have a great one everyone!


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10/25/2006 8:15:55 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Laura, I'm curious too about paypal. I know it's used on eba* too, but you use it for online ordering? what about billing in your studio?

Danielle, I haven't made the switch to RAW yet, and am kind of afraid too. Did you have any trouble making the switch?


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10/25/2006 8:19:10 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  I do pretty much the exact same process as Laura. I spend anywhere from 45 minutes to a couple hours on a sessions, the younger the subject, generally, the longer it takes. I collect the session fee up front, then they view 50-150 proofs and choose what they want to order. Once I receive payment for the order I order the prints. I do very basic editing to the pics if they need it. I also use Paypal if the customer wants to use a credit card, the only problem with that is it has be done a few days in advance, so if someone wants to use it to pay for the session, I have to know ahead of time. It works out pretty well so far.


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10/25/2006 8:36:08 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Shawna, why do you need a few days to bill?


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10/25/2006 8:43:02 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Because depending on the form of payment they use with Paypal, it can take a day or two for the payment to clear. It's just to protect myself so I'm not doing all this work for free.


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10/25/2006 8:47:21 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  check out this site for child photographers!!!


http://ilovephotography.com/forums/

J.


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10/25/2006 9:20:56 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  The switch to RAW took some getting used to. I learn more about getting each photo to look right every day. But at this point I think I've gotten pretty good at it. People don't seem to be able to tell that I'm using flash anymore (since I don't have a lighting system yet) whereas before I know they could.

Usually I shoot both raw and jpeg. The jpeg is for sorting through the files faster and seeing which ones I like and which I don't. Then once you edit a raw file, and put it next to its original jpeg file, you'll fall in love instantly too. The difference is so clear between the two. Even if the jpeg looks fine by itself... once you put it next to the raw it just doesn't look good anymore. I find that I VERY rarely like my jpeg better than my edited raw.

I'm addicted and there's no turning back now. :)


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10/26/2006 4:54:00 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  Hi everyone-just checking in...

Shawna- I hope all works out for you....that's awful...I have to agree with with laura said...the same thing is always in style at the same time. She can't copywrite every variation of a certain design....anyway-hope all goes well...

as for raw...i use it too...for nikon users the new capture nx is really cool, and making the conversion is pretty easy. It comes in really helpful for weddings and such when you can't control all the lighting.

I'm also curious who here, if anyone uses a online proofing system-do you do it through your website or use a lab-like pictage or printroom or anyplace like that. Just curious to what others are using and if they've had good experiences with that.

I know that paypal has fees with it-is it expensive to use? I have seen the credit card machines that are portable as well-anyone have those? So much do think about with your own business...sometimes I wonder why I wanted to do this.....

Hope everyone is well... :)

Connie


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10/26/2006 7:30:51 AM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  I do online proofing via simpleviewer. The only problem I've had with that is that everyone's computer moniter is adjusted differently so some people see the pics really dark, some lighter, and color variations and all.

I've put together a collection of some of my recent favorites if you want to see them. This is also the format I use for online proofing.

http://www.bellatristanophotography.com/Favorites/index.html


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10/26/2006 9:27:02 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I have my own online previewing thing. It hasn't failed me yet... but then I haven't been doing this very long. It's pretty basic, though. And they can only order basic prints 8x10 or smaller through it. All other items have to be ordered through the comments section. Someday I'll improve upon it but for now it does the trick.


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10/26/2006 5:08:13 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Is anyone here in the Charlotte, North Carolina area by chance?


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10/26/2006 6:17:36 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi Shawna, I'm in NY, so that doesn't help. I have a question, which lights are you guys using. I'm almost sure I was going to buy Photogenics (strobes), but then I looked at Britek tonight, and their prices are really good for kits, but don't know anything about their quality. Any thoughts out there? I've emailed Debby, as I know she recommeds Britek, but I don't know which ones. Thanks, Jess


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10/26/2006 8:07:41 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  For those of you who made the move from working someplace else full time to working your studio full time... how busy were you before you decided to make the move? I'm nowhere near there yet but I'm just curious how other people judged it.


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10/26/2006 8:10:35 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Jessica,
I have a Britek kit that Debby helped me with. I was overwhelmed when I first started looking for lighting, but the Britek works well and is so easy to use.


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10/26/2006 8:42:19 PM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
 
 
 
i'm in CT....

I have britek, and don't think that they are that good, they seem very cheaply made. But they are what I have right now, so I deal. But I have been looking around, and unless you want to spend $1000 per head for the high-end pro stuff....I've been finding that Alien Bee's have really high ratings. Now, like I said, I don't own them, but on different forums from different people I hear that that have great customer service and there stuff is well made. The only bad thing I hear is that some of there accessories are a little on the cheap side. But with the right adapter, you can buy other name softboxes and such.

Just what i've found, and am leaning towards....if I find anything better I'll let ya know....

Connie

Heres a pic we love from a wedding we did in june, and a baby I did a month-ish ago...Feel free to comment...


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10/27/2006 5:59:27 AM

 
Constance Kessel
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ok-so I forgot to sign in.....the wedding pic was taken by my partner...we just love it.....


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10/27/2006 6:06:10 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  OK-I TOOK OUT THE WEDDING PIC, BECAUSE I FELT BAD THAT IT HAD MY COPYRIGHT ON IT, AND NOT HERS EVEN THOUGH IT'S CONSIDERED COPYRIGHTED THOUGH OUR BUSINESS LYRICAL LENS PHOTOGRAPHY....ANYWAY...ISN'T THE BABY CUTE?

OK ENOUGH BABBLING FOR TODAY, GOTTA GET SOME WORK DONE....


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10/27/2006 6:20:21 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  sHAWNA-I CHECKED OUT YOUR FAVORITES...YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD EYE. wHAT PROGRAM DO YOU USE WITH SIMPLE VEIWER? I DOWNLOADED IT TO USE ON OUR WEBSITE, AND TRIED TO USE IT THOUGH PICASSA BUT, ONLY ONE OF THE PICS GOT IMPORTED INTO THE VIEWER, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ALL HELD IN THE HOLD BOX. I HAVEN'T PLAYED WITH IT SINCE, BUT LIKE THE SET-UP. THANKS...NOW I'M REALLY GOING TO GET SOME WORK DONE....lIKE HOUSEWORK, EDITING IS NEVER DONE!

cONNIE


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10/27/2006 6:41:43 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Morning everyone, Shawna I'm in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Danielle, I haven't left my real job yet...guess you could say, I like have a steady flow of income.

As for lights, I use Smith/Victor because they take a beating and keep on ticking..lol, I also like to experiment with graphics when I have time, but try not to rely too much on photo editing.

Take Care
Donna


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10/27/2006 7:15:21 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good morning all,
Jess I recommend Britek to those starting out, because Most ( and you do have to watch witch ones) are very good.
I started helping others to get them ( I do Not work for the company) because so many on ebay and ... are selling the cheper made one, I spoke to the owners of Britek and they know I only order Certin ones for my students and those of you on BP)
I have used them in studio and location and I tryed to mafk the potrtaits in my gallery as to witch lighting I used. and in my CD there are examples.
I love Photogenic as well and Own some of the 2500 DRs and studio max III's.
It just seemed for a while people starting out were afraid to put so much expence out untill they knew thier studios would fly.
Laura still uses aset of Briteks I helped her get.
If you need any lighting I don't mind helping, it's ust easier on me ( my hands and time ) to talk by phone.
If inquiring, just send me a nuber.
Thank You,
Debby


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10/27/2006 7:24:53 AM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Constance,
I use it with Picasa, haven't had any problems yet.


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10/27/2006 7:36:33 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  Wow, When I am rushed my posts suck,lol,lol.
Just checking in , I was on my way to the Dentist ( broke tooth) and had some pain when I posted and left.
Boy looking at this ess now, I should have just left,lol.
Hope you got the gist of it.
Best is always to take stock in what others own, Shawna gave her 2 cents, get Lauras, ect. Liza Franco Uses Britek as well.
Jess, I do believe as you go through the threads you can see the ones who use Britek and I did get Photogenics for a couple as well.
ave a great day,
Debby


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10/27/2006 3:15:32 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Debby:

May I ask what you mean, I don't know maybe just me, but are you suggesting that only those that use Britek have good photos..etc. etc.?

"Jess, I do believe as you go through the threads you can see the ones who use Britek "

Maybe I am interpreting what you were trying to express incorrectly??

I utitlize Smith Victor because of a recommendation by a very good Professor/Photograher and because they are very versatile, I also use a power pak for my strobes, which allows me to control up to 4 strobes in one area if I desire without having to make individual adjustments.

Thanks Donna


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10/27/2006 4:26:49 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Hey, Donna. I think that her comment may have been mis-interpreted. I believe she was trying to say that they are great lights to start out with and that some of us have had some great success with them. It's a matter of personal preference. Some photographers like them, some don't. They've worked great for me personally, and I wouldn't have been able to get where I am without them because I couldn't afford the better lights when I was starting out. I still use my Briteks and like them just fine; however, I have noticed that they can be a little more limiting than others just from hearing about the versatility of the Photogenics and some other higher-priced pro lights. They are still great starter lights and have served me well. I think that's all she was trying to say. :)


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10/27/2006 4:50:27 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi Donna, I don't think that's what she meant. I know the S-V lights are good too. I think I'm going to go with the photoflex lights. Denyse on another thread just ordered hers today, and they too come highly recommended. Now I just need all of the money. I"m not going to waste money, and then be sorry for not being able to get lights or service. So if I have to wait a little, so be it. I hope it's before Christmas though! there are just too many options to sift through!

BTW, you have some really cool pics in your gallery. You must spend quite a bit of time in PS?
Jess


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10/27/2006 4:52:31 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Thanks Ladies, I mean't no offense, maybe I shouldn't read when I'm tired, as words can take on a life of their own. My apologies.

Thanks Jess for the compliments, I do like to experiment on photos I take during some of my shoots, it keeps my perspective up to keep creative, sometimes not a heck of alot of things to photograph here in Florida, Palm Trees, Beaches, same ole same ole. I really miss the mountains, lakes, and change of seasons of New England.

Anyways Ladies, have a great night, and my apologies again to Debby for the misinterpretation.

Tootles
Donna


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10/27/2006 7:21:43 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  No Apologies needed
I just ment to look at what others are using and investagate the ones that intrest you.
Do Make sure that what every lights you decide on, that all the blubs are replaceable.
Photogenic is one of the best on the market! and Donna fyi a S/V product.
They just don't advertise it openly.
I have 200 catologs here in my office if any one needs, on the back in small print you will see a "S/V product"
If you want to send me a lik to the ones you feel you have choosen, I never mind taking a look and seeing that that is the best deal for your needs.
Here if you need a bit more help,
Debby


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10/27/2006 7:46:20 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hi all! Just checking in so I can keep up with the thread. Unfortunately, I don't have a studio yet, that is a goal. I'm just taking photos on locations & at clients home or place of choice.

I just recently did a Quintecera (spelling?) and that was a HUGE first for me. Of course I got through it, made some errors, etc... but time will tell. It was just last Sat and I'm now waiting on the proofs to arrive.

Question for all of you... how do you present proofs? I had ordered a proof album with order inserts, turns out they all refer to "bride/groom". So now I'm wondering what is the best way? And what do you use for an order form?

I had given her an event price package that included a minimum of 75 proofs, well I have printed 208 proofs and have an additional 121 proofs on my website for her to view. Crazy, I'm sure, but still learning. :)

Any suggestions on proof presentation and a simplified order taking method?

If anyone is interested in seeing the on-line proofs... www.photosbybrenda.com/valentin

Thanks! Glad to be back in the chat... although you are all far above me and have studio set ups and I don't. I'm jealous! :) My time will come.

Oh... and I now have a blog... thanks to my awesome hubby who helped me set it up today. www.pbb-blog..com

Take care and smile!
Brenda


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10/27/2006 8:21:41 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Hey Brenda,
Just a quick shout, I am closing down the computer for the night.
it is nice to hear your doing well.
The quinceañera is done like a bridal commitment, just leave out the Groom , So white satin alblums are really what you want.
A suggestion here is to get samples or photograph them and let the family pick if you can.
Just a thought,
Debby


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10/27/2006 10:31:19 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Thanks Debby! I purchased a double fold album that holds 200 proofs with the proof order forms from Topflight. I just wasn't sure about all the references to "bride/groom" on the order form. Thought it was not appropriate.

Oh, and it is white satin.


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10/28/2006 6:00:16 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi guys, what's everyone up to? I bought this really cute wagon that I had to put together at ACMoore, and will use it in some Christmas pics. I took a picture of it stained, but forgot to upload it before getting on here. I'm loving the holiday ideas that I'm seeing. How about you guys...what are you doing doing for this season??? Jess


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10/30/2006 6:37:16 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Reviving this thread!!!!

Question, to which I haven't gotten responses on other sites:

What do you position a baby on height wise for pics, esp if you have them in a basket, or on a pile of towels. Do you work on the floor, or posing table?
J.


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11/18/2006 9:26:12 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi, Jessica! You can do it either way. I do it on the floor. A posing table would certainly be easier on your back and knees, I'm sure! :)


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11/19/2006 8:40:10 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
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  Thanks Laura, how are you doing? BTW, is that your daughter in your avatar? I was wondering where you found the fuzzy hat, coat , and mittens. Jess


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11/19/2006 10:02:11 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Doing well... busy! Yep, that's my little one. It was a Holiday dress, hat and mittens from Wal-Mart last year. She didn't get to wear it for Christmas, so I put it on her to try some white on white. It was my first success at high-key shots! There are several more in my gallery here at BP (page 2 I think), if you want a better look at the outfit. Thanks for asking!


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11/19/2006 10:13:42 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  At work I don't use a posing table and so I never do with my outside business either. I don't know if this is universal throughout Olan Mills, or just my district (perhaps Debbie would know?) but we recently eliminated the table due to too many lawsuits from kids falling off of it and getting hurt. So sometimes it's a little harder on your back and knees (after this weekend I could sure use a massage... and you should SEE how messed up my knees look) but the risk is a lot lower without one.

Also... I just did about 50 sittings in two days which is why I'm in such bad shape right now. I sincerely hope, for your sake, that you never have to do that many. Or even close. In which case the back and knees thing shouldn't be that much of a problem and the ground is a lot safer.


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11/19/2006 7:06:48 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  oh DAnielle, you poor thing! Hopefully you can take a nice warm bath to relax those joints. Soon enough, the holiday photos will be over.


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11/19/2006 9:24:12 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good morning,
Danielle, there was one law suit, but a few injuries, the company had stepped away from detailed training for awhile and safty issues popped up .
so the company has gone back to the old training and also taken the tables as a precaucion.
I myself love haveing posing tables, and use them often- I found the one on rollers on ebay for a steal, and I use a dog grooming table for my traveling one-works great!
To old for this back stuff,lol.
Kids and pets are quiter when lifted .
I hope this helps,
Debby


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11/20/2006 6:15:32 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Oh my gosh,
it is SOOOOO good to be home finially!!
I have been traveling in an dout of CA and Co for thelast few months, and it looks to have finally come to a end.
I will be calling you Laura, and really look forward to catching up on emails and BP.
I have a pet shoot Friday after thanksgiving and had one last Sunday right after I got home, though we had a great time-I Am tired!
Thank you for some note I received from some of you, I will be reading alot.
Have a great day!!
Debby


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11/21/2006 12:59:01 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis  
 
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The Sweetest Couple!!
They were celebrating their 5 yr anniversery..
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Hi All,

I know it has been a really long time since I posted..I have beed SO BUSY!! I average 6 sittings a week plus about 1 wedding a month!! I didnt realize how good this photography business was going to go!! I have to tell ya I am getting over whelmed at times..but loving every second of it!!

Anyways I am going to post some new stuff if anyone is interested..


I was reading some on this post about the type of the lights being used..I use Alien Bees...I Love them!! I am eventually going to get a back light which I so badly need!! What I got work right now until I build on to my studio & make a bigger area for shooting..

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!!

I know I ate alot!!

LOL!!


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11/23/2006 4:34:50 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
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  Hi Kristy, nice work. I really like your 5th anniv. pic there. I re-looked back at your gallery, and there's quite a few really nice pics. the one with the boy and his mom in the white gown is awesome.

Anyway, I'm getting my photogenics next week. they'll be here on Wed or Thurs, and I can't wait to start playing. I have a bunch of people waiting for them to come!

It's 10pm here, and I'm totally ready for bed! I fed 14 tonight.


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11/23/2006 6:52:15 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis  
 
 
Hi jessica!

Thanks so much..
my website is
www.kristyhargisphotography.com
www.khargis.photosite.com
I need to update the top one, but I am getting to it LOL!!

I hope you enjoy your photogenics!! I hear they are super to work with!! I understand with feeding so many...I dont cook I just ate today LOL!!

TTYL
Kristy


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11/23/2006 7:12:21 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis  
 
 
I wanted to share a few more picture!!

CC is always welcome!! LOL!!


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11/23/2006 7:15:05 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis  
 
 
I wanted to share a few more picture!!

CC is always welcome!! LOL!!


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11/23/2006 7:26:55 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  So cute, Kristy. I'm gonna steal that family portrait pose, too. It'll be fun to see how much the fathers moan and groan when I tell em to get down on their bellies. :) And I really need to get some of that black reflective stuff... is that plexiglass?


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11/23/2006 8:31:47 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis   HI Danielle,

He did grump & groan, but it made the best picture..LOL!! Yes that is plexiglass...then I cloned the line it left & I used my andrews actions in photoshop!! I tell ya what those have been my best investment yet!! I just love the color pop it gives!! If your interested I can give ya the link!! I can post some befores & afters also!!

Thanks again
kristy


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11/23/2006 8:37:49 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Debby: sorry I didn't respond to you sooner. Glad you're back and home safely! Enjoy your pet shoot today too. When you use a table for posing babies on, doesn't the edge/ sharpness of the table show in the pic?

Kristy: would love the link for the plexi, and to see the befores and afters. Also, are some of your pics pretty light, like overexposed, or are they different in the orig file. I really like your poses, and the two kids flower picking is great, but it seems very light.


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11/24/2006 6:00:24 AM

 
Brenda  D. 
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Hello, I would like to get in on this thread too and ask for CC also.all advice is welcome and thanks in advance.


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11/24/2006 11:31:22 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  HI BRENDA! Nice to "see" you here! My main cc on the posted pics is IF you have any room to do so, try backing your lights up. The lighting looks a little "flat" to me and you are getting pretty dark shadowing behind your subject. If you can pull the subject out at all from the backdrop, and either pull the lights back or turn them down a bit, that'd do it, I think. :)


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11/24/2006 12:23:47 PM

 
Brenda  D. 
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  Laura thanks, I've been trying to figure out how to get the shadows out of the back , my lights are'nt the kind I can turn down but I can back them up and I can back the subject up from the backround more. I'll test this out soon and see how much I need to back things up. I'll post here again with some of the shots as soon as I try them. thanks :)


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11/24/2006 4:22:18 PM

 
Kristy  L. Hargis   Hi jessica,

Nope the pictures arent to light..Some of the montiers are calibrated lighter than others & would make them look lighter.. The kids picking flowers are mine LOL!! They printed beautifully..

I use WHCC & they are awesome!!

I got the plexi at lowes.. the thicker the better!! I really would like to get bigger then the 2 foot wide..

They have black plexi at dennys mfg or backdrop outlet..

I hope this helps..

Brenda..I agree with Laura If you can back everything up more & you will like your results better...

kristy


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11/24/2006 5:43:57 PM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  Kristi-I love your work. I'm hoping for alien bees in the near future....you stuff looks great even without the backlight...

I have a question for you guys...I want to offer a service that scans in old family photos, restores them and storybook collages them and then have them printed and bound in a digital album. Is there any copyright stuff I should watch for? I know many family photos are not taken by professionals, but some of the older ones were. And i'm really not intrested in scanning anything later than the mid-80's. Just the old stuff that all the family wants to look at, and grandma doesn't want being passed around because its to old....
I thought it'd be a cool service, but don't want any copyright problems either.....

Thanks,

Connie


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11/25/2006 7:09:35 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Kristi, I'm glad it's just me then on the pics. I use mpix for printing and really like them, although I haven't tried anyone else. others on here use whcc too an like them.

I also have a Denny's catalog already but haven't ordered anything yet. I think the selectin of their props is pretty impressive, and overwhelming!
Right now, I'm getting alot of wooden props using 50% foo coupons at ACMoore, and Joann's and MIchaels. THis is a great time of year to get coupons like that, or fuzzy fleece at Jo's. I just bought a lg laundry basket at M's for 40% off.

Constance, Mark F. would be the resident expert on copyrights, but I can tell you that anything taken by a professional photog is copyright protected forever (I believe). Which would mean without a release to copy their pictures, you're out of luck. Even the old pics!


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11/25/2006 1:57:40 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Has anyone seen this:
Part of an article from smartmoney.com:

< consider placing an order during the spring session, when many schools
host a secondary picture day. If you just can't resist, purchase the
smallest package possible. At the Clark School in Swampscott, Mass.,
parents can spend as little as $24 for a few wallet-size photos and one
of the class. The bill rises to more than $50 if parents splurge for a
package that includes a couple of 5-by-7s. Worried you won't have a
spare to send to Grandma? Consider scanning your copy or email a cute
digital shot you took yourself.>>

Here is the full article
http://www.smartmoney.com/top5/index.cfm?story=20061108

I personally am considering seriously emailing and writing to anyone involved about this as it is copyright issues that is illegal.


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11/26/2006 10:43:03 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  I know people do this as I heard it all too often when I was working for PCA and I think even once or twice at OM. But still it is wrong. Is there anything that can be done about this.

renee


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11/26/2006 10:46:15 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  HI Renee, this has been passed around and talked about on many photo sites. Many people did write and complain. It still wouldn't hurt, if you wanted too. This was discussed on a different thread here, earlier in the month.

and you're right, it is wrong. I would NOT have wanted to be that writer taking the heat after her boss got the flack from so many photographers, about her incompetant recommendation.


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11/26/2006 11:11:57 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  AH I was just surfing and came across it. I am laid up for a bit. Hard to be couch bound when I was going going and going so I am a little behind and playing catch up now...lol. I agree I wouldn't want to be that journalist.

Renee


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11/26/2006 1:28:35 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  I got my Photogenic lights today, and it's 9 PM here, and I can't play!!!! I'm psyched, and disappointed!


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11/29/2006 6:08:15 PM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Hey Debby, I followed the links and finally found the this thread again. Or have you started another one? I got lost arfter #14. Looks like I have lots of reading to do.
Deb


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12/2/2006 9:26:37 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Hi Deb

This is the most current thread. Welcome. There is sooo much to take in so get your cup of coffee and get comfy.

renee


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12/2/2006 9:31:22 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Hey guys! I was wondering if any of you knew where I could find an adjustable stool (for family portraits) that collapses into something relatively small that will fit in my car. Does this exist?

Thanks!


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12/6/2006 5:32:17 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  I have been looking for something like this as well this is something I have been watching.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Film-Camera-Photography-NEW-Adjustable-POSING-STOOL_W0QQitemZ130055977642QQihZ003QQcategoryZ79006QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not too sure yet and money is tight so shall see.

renee


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12/6/2006 6:05:21 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning,
well of course Photogenic makes compressable stools, which I use.
But a woman who took some courses from me found some really neat stools from the "W" word,lol
yes at walmart for 14.99 I belive she got a set of 3 that were differant sizes and folded flat, I shot with her at a few of her events and thought about buying a set myself.
may be worth a try.
hope your feeling better Renee.
Have a great day,
Debby


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12/6/2006 6:20:09 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Thanks for the info and LOL at the W word evil evil place that it is. I figured you would have an answer to this.

Benjamin had his first play where he was a narrator Monday night and Kelda had her first choir concert last night of course the one nite I have waited for since she was in elementary school finally arrives and I end up w/a stomach bug!! And whats worse is do you know how hard it is to find open toed dress shoes in the middle of Wyoming winters...lol. Carl was saying just wear my ratty old sandles w/my nice dress clothes. Finally found a pair at yes the "W" place. Not the best but after all these years of closed toe only for work didn't think about dressing up outside of work. My toe is getting better but not well enough to put anything over it.

Off to check out photogenics and the W place.

hope all is well your way

Renee


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12/6/2006 7:40:07 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Renee, if you are looking to buy piece by piece on the Photogenics, I will help you peice this together so you can start asap then ad to.
let me know if you would like the help,
Debby
Oh and glad to see you Deb!!!


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12/6/2006 8:09:32 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Thanks Debby. There are a few things but will let you know when I am ready. I just ordered some continuous lights as the camera I currently have that is all I can use. But early next year I will be ordering strobes and will most definitely be coming to you for that. I was hoping to hit up on the Christmas season this year but w/my toe and readjusting to being home not sure how much I will get in on this year. However when I have seen an angry customer leave Walmart studio I handed out my card....lol. Shall see if I get any hits off it.

renee


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12/6/2006 8:47:05 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Just poppin by to say H E L L O to everyone and hope that all are enjoying and preparing for the holidays.

TC
Donna

PS: Love reading the thread....Oh btw regarding the collapsible stools do they have a particular name or brand name?


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12/6/2006 9:35:17 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Donna,
I am sorry I don't know what it is.
but I'll tell ya what, I have to go to wal-mart and exchange some things, so I will look.


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12/6/2006 9:42:19 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Well, I was wondering what happened to everybody! I got my lights, and it's not as easy as I thought it would be, but I'm really close to getting what I want. Glad to see you all back.


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12/6/2006 4:02:55 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hi everyone! Hope everyone is having a stress free December so far! haha

I had my first ever shoot with infants! And it was 13week old twins! I don't have a studio, I go to where ever a client wants me, so it was at their grandma's house.

It didn't go too bad. Had to wait for a brief "beauty nap" for the girls in order to finish getting some shots.

They didn't have anything up for Christmas yet (and wanted pics for xmas cards!) but they only wanted solid backgrounds anyway.

If you'd like to check them out... www.photosbybrenda.com/tischer is where they are.

Grandma gave me a $200 order (cards & prints), this weekend she's giving the proofs to the parents to see what they want to order.

Grandma was my backdrop holder (I don't have a portable system yet). So she held one side of the backdrop for me. It all worked out and she was loving the pics.

I know I have more to learn, but thought I'd share anyway.

Happy snapping!

Brenda


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12/6/2006 7:04:16 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Brenda - what are the babies sitting in? That looks really useful.


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12/6/2006 7:34:32 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Hey Brenda, great job , 4200.00 your first order!! heyyyy.
I will look later.
and Jess, What seems to be the problems? can you post a few?

It's good to be back with it , got home and had surgury, so I wasn't saying mch, but I was watching you guys post- just was't feeling qte up to it.
But all is done and going great now.
I hadn't even spoke to Laura until yesterday!
but it was good to hear her.


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12/6/2006 8:02:12 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Was the surgery on your tooth Debby?? I know how good it must feel to be home. Is it permn now?

renee


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12/6/2006 8:11:22 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Thanks Deby will keep an eye out for any info on the stools.

Brenda, like your pics. I think I would have to say 148 is my fav, and then up to 156.

I also like one of the teddy shots with the dark backgrounds (the beginning shots).

Congrats on your shoot.

Donna


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12/6/2006 11:02:20 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
 
 
  standing
standing
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  ornaments
ornaments
.
© Jessica  A. Eiss
Nikon D70 Digital ...
 
  Joslyn's Boa
Joslyn's Boa
One of her Christmas pics. 9 months old.
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new pics from first paid shoot today...this is my hubby's neice, who will be mo old in a week. She started standing yest, but does't crawl yet!


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12/10/2006 7:31:45 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Danielle, in the first shot they were laying on Boppies. But as you can see, we found it didn't allow them to be too close or show off their dresses. In the other shots where they are "sitting" we used these really cool things the parents have. They are like a chair but made out of a rubber type material. They literally squeeze into it! They can be bought from onestepahead.com for about $30 each. Fortunately they had one for each of them and they worked awesome. No one had to hold either girl. :)

Donna, 148 was one of my favorites too! The grandma picked up her pics ^ cards yesterday, the parents live in NJ (I'm in MD) so they are getting their order to me this week.

Jessica, she is such a cutie! I love shots with the giant ornaments, I used those with my son for his first christmas shot.

Take care everyone.


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12/11/2006 6:30:58 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Nice pics Jess. I see your getting reflections of your whole studio in your ornaments, some of the old tymers used to use vaseline on the ornaments to diminish and get rid of that reflection, what to use for a childs shoot, I don't know, but someone told me hairspray, which I haven't tried yet. Just a hint for future shots.


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12/11/2006 7:40:24 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Thanks Brenda and Donna. Brenda, I can't get your site to load, is there a problem with it today? I'd like to look at the pics you recently took.

These shots were "on location" too...at my in-laws house yesterday. I noticed the big reflections too, but like the parents said, they wouldn't have even noticed them, or known what they were looking at, had I not mentioned it. I didn't have enough room to set my lights back as far as I had wanted, so had to turn them way down.

Deb, hope you're doing ok!


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12/11/2006 7:58:56 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
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EXACTLY Jessica if I learned one thing in my years at a portrait studios NEVER point out anything you see wrong. IF and ONLY if the customer says something do you say anything. I can't tell you how I view portraits now that were taken before now being a professional photographer. It isn't even funny how some of those I simply wouldn't mind sticking into photoshop and making better...lol. The best portraits I have on my wall from before were of a photographer that travelled to the area from the other side of Idaho to our little simple grocery stores he had photographed my portraits as a child and even of my girls. After that I lost track of him I do assume he has passed on he was in his 80's when he did my girls last portrait when the youngest girl was 10mos old. He was my initial inspiration to become a photographer and if I could find out his where abouts I would like to thank him. Anyhow saw that line of yours and had to point out to never say anything you see as a mistake. Most uneducated customers won't notice what your educated eye will;-) Just a tip that is all.

Renee


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12/11/2006 10:19:08 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hi Jessica! No problems that I'm aware of, I just tried it again and it worked. maybe just a hiccup in the internet freeway, holiday traffic ya know! haha

www.photosbybrenda.com/tischer is the twins gallery

See ya!


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12/11/2006 10:31:43 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
  Hands in the air
Hands in the air
My daughter Jackie took this, it turned out to be a Kodak POTD! She was quite excited!
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Okay, I know this is not studio related, but I have to share this!!!! My daughter, she is 14yrs old, just got notified today that her picture "Hands in the air" will be a POTD on Friday December 15th! She is BEYOND excited! I'm trying to find a way to get some pictures of it while it's showing, short of letting her skip school and doing a mother daughter road trip! haha Anyway, just wanted to share her good news, and maybe find a way to get pics of it! Here is her picture...


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12/11/2006 5:15:43 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
 
 
  Lil Santas
Lil Santas
Lighting got a little screwy but it was one of those spur of the moment pics.
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Hi, just checking in with everyone. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm so glad the holiday season is almost over! I've been so busy. Here's one of the pics I took a couple weeks ago that I thought was soooooo cute. Babies are so much fun.


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12/21/2006 7:50:04 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Shawna - that's SO cute! I can't believe you got all those kids to actually sit right next to each other! :) I guess it helps that they didn't have to smile or look at the camera or anything. I love it, though.

And yeah... I'm VERY happy that the Christmas season is over. I need a very long nap.


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12/21/2006 8:01:16 PM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Shawna, the selective coloring is very good, and I love the hand on the back. It's priceless. I'm sure the parents will love it too.


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12/21/2006 8:09:30 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Shawna,
The Lighting is just perfect!!!!
dramtic, comedy, sesonal and childens portraiture.
It's great!!!


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12/21/2006 10:33:15 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Shawna I think it is an absolutely precious priceless shot!! If the parents and grandparents didn't eat it up something is wrong with them...lol.

A blessed Yuletide Blessings to all this season. I laid low. I did a couple sittings and spent time with the kids that was much needed. My son is being diagnosed with Aspergers and my oldest just ended up diagnosed with a severe case of Eczema so now that we know what we are dealing with on her hopefully we can get it cleared up and figure out what is triggering her to flareup so bad. This list is long of possibilities. We do know stress is the top of the list.

Hope all is well with everyone just think 2007 will be here before you know it and you will be wishing someone wanted photos done...lol. Off to update my photos then to get more baking done:-)

Renee


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12/22/2006 7:49:53 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Wishing Everyone a Safe and Happy Holiday and a Prosperous New Years!!

Remember those Designated Drivers!!!

Shawna Love the Photo, excellent job!!

I can't wait to open my gifts, I think Santa got me Alien Bees NEW Flashring...Whoohoooo!! LOL

I posted a photo in my gallery entitled "POUT" what does anyone think??

Huggles to all!!
Donna


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12/22/2006 8:11:20 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Renee sorry to read about your children, hope you get through it and your children, maybe the stress is the "coming of christmas" "Over excitement and anticipation"

Anyway, I hope you have a marvelous holiday.

Donna


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12/22/2006 8:22:28 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Thanks Donna. We will get thru this like everything else in life. Kelda is already doing soooo much better. She is in her own room now, no synthetic fibers, uses ice packs to get rid of the extra itching the moisturizers and steroids do not along with other things on the list...and as for my son~ I have always known he was different and we simply worked with him -his needs are getting more demanding and do wear on the family but we will manage and get thru.

Our celebrations were yesterday so the stress of the holidays are usually low key around here. We still have SC coming the 24th, but basically our holiday will begin to wind down. And due to my most of our families celebrate the 25th we do so with them as far as the big dinners and such so the kids get a bit of a few different cultural beliefs. Besides it is snowing so peacefully out how can you be so wound up...lol. Was Keldas only wish for the holiday season. Looks like she is getting it!!

Renee


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12/22/2006 8:42:05 AM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Hi everyone, I've been in & out in the past threads (my goodness there are 22 already!) and FINALLY I'll be joining when my lights are out of their box (I just bought the new Photoflex gemini 650 softbox 2 light set) YEAH!!!! My studio is just about done, so I can't wait to get going.

Jess- I saw a few posts ago you mention pointing out a "flaw" in a photo to someone, and Debby recommending not to.... MAN I have been TRYING to learn that too!! We're so critical of our own work, but most clients have such a different eye. I'll be fussing in PS over some tiny little thing, zoomed in like 300% and my fiance will be like "what in the world are you doing, no one will even see that". LOL. I'm learning though. You present it as your best and hold your head high.

And about how long sessions are, how many shots you take, how many you alter... just my personal experience- I haven't done baby sessions, but for seniors, families, etc they just about always take an hour. People get bored after that. This is not their passion like it is ours, and usually they want to get on with their day, lol.

I usually end up with 60-80 shots, but my proposal to the client is always for a set number of shots. (I do 20 proofs in a TAP preview album) Because it's so time consuiming to edit, I've stopped doing all of them like I used to. I immediately go thru them and pick out my gut-instinct favorites. Then I just keep narrowing it down till I get to 20, THEN I edit those, and it's all they get. They only see the best of the best and I like it that way!!

Have a good one everyone!!


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12/22/2006 10:04:12 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2006
  Hi everybody...good to see you back again. Renee, sorry things are crazy, but glad that you have some answers.

Wishing everyone a terrific holiday, and a Merry Christmas!

Denyse, the only reason I said anything to my "customer", was because she was my sister in law. I absolutely would agree about not pointing flaws out to customers, but with her, I could. It didn't even matter anyway.


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12/22/2006 2:15:04 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  And studio lights are suddenly in the picture! :) So I need the expertise on here. I only have about $500 to spend but would like some decent lights that are easily portable. Is that at all realistic? I have no idea what to expect. Thanks!!


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12/27/2006 7:11:23 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danielle,
I will start looking for the best deals. Now tell me New? or Used?
the most for your money ? or High end?
This will help.
Thanks,
Debby


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12/28/2006 7:43:19 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Thanks Debby! Used is fine... as long as it's in good shape and isn't gonna crap out on me anytime soon. Is it even possible to get high end for $500? If it is... then I'd say that. But if not... then the most for my money. Hope that helps! :)


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12/28/2006 8:02:44 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  High end , means less lights.
more for your money means, decent lights and as many as possible.


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12/28/2006 8:13:52 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Okay. Well I'd like to have enough to have an operational portable studio. That probably means I'll have to go with more for my money. As nice as possible. Thanks!!


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12/28/2006 8:19:14 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I emailed you a link,


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12/29/2006 8:07:00 AM

 
Lynell South
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/29/2006
 
 
 
Happy New Year everyone!

Here is a little guy I took a picture of. He was so sweet.

Debby, I had ordered Britek lights from you this summer. 600 and 300. I'm thinking I would like another 600 with a soft box. lol. Either that or a stronger one. I'm needing a little more light on my darker backgrounds.

LOVE the naked Santa babies! lol. I'll remember that for next year.


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1/1/2007 11:15:47 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  This is Beautiful Lynell,Wow!!


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1/2/2007 12:40:44 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Awwwww Lynell that is soooo sweet. Thanks for sharing.

renee


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1/2/2007 5:26:19 AM

 
Lynell South
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/29/2006
  Thank you!

Debby, are you still selling lights?


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1/2/2007 5:15:55 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good morning Lynell,
I don't and never have really sold Lights for them, I would just arrange and call in the sale to make sure you all got the best of what they had
( Manegment at Britek know what I will recommend and what I will not)
and If I called them in they considered them for Students of my classes and they are always GOOD to try to get them out same day or next on my orders.
You can order one from there web site if you'd like, now that you know what you'd like.
or if you need help, I can do that as well.
Hope this helps,
Debby


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1/3/2007 6:02:05 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... Debby Debby Debby.

http://www.tabbportraitstudio.com/Lighting.html

Maybe you can explain what's on the other end of that link a bit better than you did above. It IS your link isn't it?

Oh, and Happy New Year, btw.
Mark


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1/3/2007 9:23:20 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  You know Mark I don't know why you seem to delight in implying that I am a lier!
I really resent it!
I do not get paid a thing from Britek-Call and ask them.
when setting up my site- the word dealer was used and has not been corrected, simply because I do not know how to correct it.
But it also seems the only word to discribe that I can place the order for them and get it shipped faster.
OK,OK I am a "Order Placer" HAPPY!!
No one needs this, especially me, I help many here and don't apprciate your crap!!!
Really!

* when I place orders for Britek Lights for any of you, Britek has agreed to use only the products I recommend .
they do not substitue with lesser value light heads, as found in kits sold by SUb contractors.
I do not advertize except for the one page for Studio Consulting and "it says we do not have to talk about Britek..."
But it seems most here on BP would like to start with something more resonable and see if you enjoy Studio Photography, and Briteck wanted in My Studio CD.
and wanted me to sell it to them, that was a No- so this arrangement was born.
** why is it some try to find something deveious when someone cares to help?
Has the world really come to a place where they CAN'T understand caring and Passion for something- this is getting old!!!!!!!
look at many of my posts-I ask No one for anything for my help!
or phone consultations, emails, ect.

But I am glad you are so intrested in me Mark- must be thretened.HMMMMMMM


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1/3/2007 11:17:01 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Regardless of what *some* people think you are a great person Debby. I too am confused by not only this post but others I have seen from this poster towards you.

I have trained with Debby personally and can tell you she has a wonderful sweet soul. NEVER asks for anything in return only trully wants to help out anyone she can.

In many ways I don't think I would be starting my own business right now if not for Debby. She helped me see my work IS good enough to do this. I only saw my heart is with my children and was sick of the corporate world. Thanks to her I gained the confidence I need to give this a shot on my own and be with my kids as well.

Maybe there is something I am missing. I have known Debby only via online for a few years and then personally met up with her and trained in person and there was not a different vibe off her in person than what I got via the net.

renee


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1/3/2007 11:53:30 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Look Deb, I don't care what you do or why. I don't really care who you teach or what you teach or whom you've worked for in the past doing what. What I DO care about is when you either represent to others in this forum things that you are not or offer to do things seemingly under the guise of wanting to help when your interest, by your own express admissions, is clearly conflicted.

Where I come from, and by definition, a "dealer" is "...one who buys to sell---not one who buys to keep, or makes to sell. The term includes one who carries on the business of selling goods, wares or merchandise, manufactured by him/her at a store or warehouse apart from his/her own shop or manufacturing facility. A dealer [by definition] is one who makes successive sales as a business." Blacks Law Dictionary, 4th Ed."

So, one of YOUR own websites says":

"I [Debby] am a Britek dealer and with every order of $200.00 you get a FREE "So you want to build a Professional Home Studio" CD to help you get started."

You (or someone representing that they are you) is saying "You are a Britek dealer." That's pretty straight forward. Seems pretty clear to me.
I didn't write it. It's got your name on it and it looks pretty clear to me that you're representing you're a Britek lighting dealer.

Personally Deb, I don't have any ax to grind with you. I think you're a little confused, that's all. What I'm saying is you can't have things both ways. If you're a Britek dealer on the one hand, it's ok, just admit it here. If you're not, which again, is fine with me, then I think you should either take that site down and stop representing that you are something you aren't on the internet. Or, stop offering to get people lighting equipment here under the guise of being their friend and teacher when you have some interest in the outcome of the deal, as a dealer unless you disclose whatever interests you have in the deal at the outset of the transaction. I think that's only fair and appropriate, especially, ESPECIALLY when you're helping people who are clearly novices looking for guidance and it strongly appears that you're guiding them into buying equipment that allows you to somehow benefit from the sale of the very equipment you're recommmending and selling. That's all I'm saying and that's strictly where my interest lies in this 'deal' so-to-speak. You just can't be a dealer in one place and a non-dealer here.

Oh, and btw, if you order one thing and the seller tries to switch you to something else, anything else, it could be construed as "bait and switch" sales tactics or a breach of the original sales agreement. Are you saying the people at Britek engage in those kinds of practices? Say it isn't so Debby. Please.

Take it light. ;>)
Mark


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1/3/2007 3:48:04 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/10/2005
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Hi everyone just popping in to say hello


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1/3/2007 4:37:24 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Donna, Great Pictures of a Beautiful child!


Mark, I beg to differ, your the one who is confussed, one day a photographer, one day a Lawyer, now it seems you mat have written your own version of the Dictionary, Just let me know when it's published then I'll care.

I am very tired of this utter crap.

Make it what ever you wish.


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1/3/2007 6:42:23 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I have one more thing to add.
I came on here when I was not well and could not work alot.
I was very glad to be able to help so many here.
and it helped me keep mentally busy during a tough time.
but there have been the couple of times in the year and a half that some one, for what ever reason would do thier best to destroy my name.
well that has become very wareing.
and I do not understand thier motives.
I am not ,nor have I ever gotten a dime from Britek corp.or any of their agents.
I help others find the lights that may be right for them, and those may not be the same as I use, or any one else here, my concern has always been what the individual has relayed to me through posts or email.
Mark, you seem to have a hard time knowing I disagree with you-ALOT.
and everyone here should know that Mark is one of those that wrote me about
" what and why I was teaching here (free) and flooding the market with Photographers.."
That is exactly why he gets so nasty.
He helps a few, but go to all his posts.
Never in detail , unless its just his spew about legalities.
he recommends one of the most expensive lines of lights with out a middle ground for those starting- and when I do ,
he trys to knock me out of the park!
Well best of luck to you Mark.


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1/3/2007 7:11:42 PM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Debby, It's been a while since I have posted, but I just wanted to step in in you defence. About 2 years ago I was just starting out and I ASKED FOR YOU ADVICE and YOUR GRACIOUSLY ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS!! We also talked by phone. I do not know many pros that would help others freely as you have. Thank you for all you help. I always try and check threads that you have commented on because I value your opinion, you explain things for all to understand, and I appericate your help. I too remember the last time someone tried to discredit you. Well, Do not let them bother you. Evidently they have nothing better to do!! I know that you do not need me to defend you. I just wanted to express my appreciation for the help you freely give to myself and others.
Thanks
Deb


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1/3/2007 7:45:42 PM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Debby has helped me on several occassions, which I appreciate. But I gotta say that Mark has recently been helping me greatly, in DETAIL, with a lighting set that was not top of the line but exactly in my price range. He did lots of specific research for me with options to help me make informed decisions. Lifesaver!

Let's face it, this could be a pissing contest all day long, which really is no fun and we don't learn a darn thing, so let's move on, shall we!!

Donna, the peeping picture is super cute, love those candids!!


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1/4/2007 5:26:13 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning,
I appreciate the kind words Renee and Deb.
And I am sorry that I have such low tolerance for these attacks any more.
As far as a "Pissing Fight", I don't believe there is one, I don't go looking to take a shot at Mark!
But any time he can he's looking to take one at me no matter how many times I have tryed to make things "lighter" with him.
I don't have to conduct myself for Mark.
Being raised properly,I also am more then Honest and repectable and need NO help from Mark in how "I should.." conduct myself.
MANNERS, would depict that we all should be respected for our opinion and the way we each decide to do things.
A " Pissing Fight " or a fight of any kind would take two, and I am to busy and to tired for it.
There ya go Mark.
I need to get on with my Very Long DAy.


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1/4/2007 6:33:24 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  My question of the day: what is your favorite and most used prop?

I went around my Olan Mills studio and wrote down all of the items that I use most frequently... that I know I'm going to need to buy first for my own studio. I came up with this: posing blocks and stools, numbers, flowers, blocks, mini chairs (both child and baby), and teddy bears.

So I'm curious... what are all of your most popular props? I'm especially interested in those who have traveling studios.

And for those who've been doing this for awhile... and have their own studio location... what did you start with?

Thanks everybody!


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1/4/2007 8:43:53 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danielle,
Posing Blocks are on the top of my list, always for groups.
A bean bag chair is a good baby poser and great for older childern and adults as well for life style poses.
A galvenized tub or large bucket, is great for bath scenes for both small children and pets ( a holding prop)
other then that satins and falk furs and great for ground or posing table covers.
Oh and glasses and hats.
I hope this helps,
Wishing you the best Danielle.
So great to see you preparing in such detail.


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1/4/2007 10:11:08 PM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  I'm certainly no veteran but this is my experience...

I've been doing a few on-location shoots (not with my studio lights though, just using my 580 flash on a bracket) and I have this tiny little stool that has been PERFECT. I found it at a garage sale for 50 cents this summer... it's only about 12" high and the seat is about 12" round. It has worked well in small living rooms when you're using the floor to pose.

I also got a bean bag chair and just got a "baby poser donut" from Backdrop outlet on ebay, although I haven't actually used it yet.

I have an adult wicker chair and 2 child size of the same that I have used a lot, especially outdoors, but they work indoors too. Joann Fabrics has some great clearance sales at the end of seasons, and I got them for like $10/each.


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1/5/2007 7:38:05 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I didn't know Joannes had wicker chairs. The end of which season are you referring to?

I already have a beanbag chair but getting a boppy/baby poser donut is probably a good idea for those kids who are so close to sitting up but aren't just yet.


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1/6/2007 5:23:44 AM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Joann's is one of those places that you just have to keep checking in with because they change their seasonal stuff over alot and you can get some great deals. Mine happened to bring in wicker chairs for summer, and at $50-$70 they didn't move too many, so they hit clearance at like 70-90% off around mid august.

I usually stop in at the end of each season just to see what's being cleared out. It's hit or miss.


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1/6/2007 8:03:52 AM

 
Jessica  A. Eiss
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  red border
red border
one light setup with foam core reflector
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  Ruby 2
Ruby 2
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  #3
#3
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Here are three from this morning's shoot. Ruby was a doll to work with, and tolerated a full hour of pictures, and clothing changes.


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1/6/2007 2:43:50 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  They're really cute, Jess. Did mum bring the santa hat and tutu or did you? :)


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1/6/2007 4:45:47 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
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  Tischer twins
Tischer twins
As you can see, Miss Summer was picking up her dress and exposing the center support on the seat. :)
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Hi all. Thought I'd add my 2cents on props. :)

I too have gotten some great deals on fabric for backdrops at Joanne's. I just got some black velvet at 60% off since it came in as Christmas fabric.

Also, here is a link for a baby seat that worked great for me as a poser. http://www.onestepahead.com/product/85205/456762/117.html (not sure how to make it a link, sorry) I had a shoot with 13week old twins and the parents had one of these for each girl. They worked great. Now granted, with the center piece it does hinder some poses, but with the girls, they had on their christmas dresses so I could pull them over the center & hide it.

For giant crayons, I've picked up some of the kids banks at Toys R Us. They are pretty cool.

I just try to keep my eyes open and when I look at things I try to think outside the box and imagine how it could be used for a prop.

I haven't purchased alot because I don't have a studio, but boy is my brain overflowing with ideas! haha

Take care!
Brenda


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1/6/2007 5:04:25 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  okay, another link ... same company... www.onestepahead.com

I was just glancing at their clearance sales... they have all their childrens wicker on sale.

http://www.onestepahead.com/product/85271/333761/118.html

http://www.onestepahead.com/jump.jsp?lGen=crossSell&itemID=333763&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=333763&wSubCat=85271&change=118

again, sorry I don't know how to make them links. :(

Looks like most of it is 50% off. I've never priced it anywhere before, so they may still be high, just thought I'd share since others had mentioned it.


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1/6/2007 5:15:49 PM

 
Morgana Creely   I don't tend to work with props much as I've only photograph adults so far. However we do have a collection of fun hats (we've been collecting for years).

In particular we have one black cowboy hat that looks fabulous on everyone, and is great as an ice breaker if I have a subject that is very nervous and stiff.

When my subjects put on a hat they usually relax, and really get into the fun of it, and I find it really helps putting my subjects at east in front of the camera.

(I know if you look at my gallery there are a lot of shots of my handsome hubby where various hats - he is so incredibly patient and always willing to model for me whilst I'm trying to practice and learn. He also happens to be my favourite subject! *grin*)

Kind regards
Morgana


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1/6/2007 5:38:56 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Okay so I bought those lights you recommended, Debby. And then suddenly, five days later, sitting here it occured to me that they aren't going to work. I need a sync cord, don't I? Does anybody know if I need one with a Nikon D50? Anybody who's gone through this with a D50 would be very helpful right now. Also... did that kit come with bulbs? Ah yes... very important details...


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1/9/2007 8:08:49 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danielle,
We have ordered that kit for many others and it always comes with bulbs and sync cords.
If they are not there, then call them and explaine they some how did not get in the box.
This happened with the Photogenic back light I ordered a year ago.
just let them know.
as far as sync, is there a port on the D50?
if not it will take a AS-15 to work or go with Lite link radio controllers, this is what it takes for any kit.
I hope this helps, or call me.
Debby


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1/9/2007 9:45:28 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Thanks Debby! You've calmed my fears. :) I'm pretty sure I don't have a plug for the sync cords so where do I get this AS-15 or Lite link radio controllers? And so I need both, or one or the other? Thanks!


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1/11/2007 8:01:53 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Try ebay for both.
Light Link is a Great Brand of Radio controller, I have 4 sets of these and like them the best.
Sold through Calumet.and now and then on ebay.
any srore should have AS-15 as well around $15.00
I hope this helps,
Debby


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1/12/2007 9:06:19 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Help! I just got my lights and I can't even figure out how to put it on the stands, no less figure out the wires. I feel like an idiot dealing with all of this. I need phone help. Debby help. :) Debby, do you think I could call you for some assistance? Everytime I call the number in my owner's manual (you'd think it would come with an instruction manual of some kind, but it doesn't) I get some foreign guy that I can hardly understand and I get the feeling he can hardly understand me. It's really not useful at all.

Thanks!!!


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1/15/2007 12:17:14 PM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Danielle,I don't know what lights you have to help you with putting them on the stands... the bottom of my strobes are shaped and they just slide into the top of the stand, get the center of the stand at about the center of the light for stability, and then you turn the knob to lock it in place.

As far as the radio slave...
My camera needs it too (no sync cord port) I got mine from Ebay (magic_trigger is the member name). Cheap & easy to use. Plug the receiver into the back of the light. Put the other thing in the hot shoe. Make sure you have FRESH batteries and that both are on the same channel. That's it, both strobes fire with the camera!! (make sure the 2nd strobe is set to be a slave)


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1/15/2007 12:32:17 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Denyse - I got the Britek HS600 kit. And I've got two of the lights on stands... but one of the lights is set up different and I can't figure out how to get it on the stand. I also already went out and got something to make my camera sync-able. It's supposed to take a PC cord... and so does this kit. But there doesn't appear to be a PC cord in it. I'm confuzzled. I'm pretty sure a couple of you actually have this kit. Maybe somebody knows what I'm talking about?


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1/15/2007 1:00:36 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Danielle, did you get your lights through Debby? I think I got the same or similar set and I have the exact same problem. The smaller light that is a PS series I think, doesn't fit on the stand. I've never figured out what to do about it and so I've never used that light. The other two work great, but that one is pretty much useless, I guess because the light stand connector on that light doesn't fit on the stand. If you figure out a solution, let me know.


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1/15/2007 1:10:11 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  That's the one, Shawna. At least I'm not the only one... :)


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1/15/2007 2:13:46 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Okay so now the flashes are going off when I take a picture with my camera (nothing is actually set up neatly so I don't know how it looks... I'm just thrilled it works). But it only works if the flash on my camera goes off, too. Which I don't want.

I didn't know that no wires were necessary for this kit (other than power cords). I thought they would be. Shawna, what do you do to make the lights go off without using the flash on your camera?


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1/15/2007 4:03:49 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  I do use a flash, but it's one that I mount on the hotshoe of my camera and I point it up at the ceiling so that it doesn't flash directly on my subjects. It's not a perfect process but it gets me by for now.


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1/15/2007 4:22:03 PM

 
Morgana Creely   If you have a chord to plug your studio flash into your hotshoe, you won't need to mount the additional flash to make the studio one fire.

I also have a wireless transmitter that I use so that I don't need to plug the studio flash into my camrea.

Hope this helps. :)


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1/15/2007 4:28:16 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danille,
I have sent you my number, call me any time.
but the Ps-200 should fit it's stand and if not should be returned.
If you can't understand him, try e-mailing him he usually respones quickly to that.
I hope this helps,
Debby
Sorry I haven't even gotten a chance to read all this , just the jist of it,I will catch up.


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1/15/2007 5:25:26 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I do actually have the cord to plug in... but if it will fire without the cords, I would prefer not having them all over. Especially since I'm a mobile studio and can't move them to be out of the way. I will try your way, Shawna.

Debby, I didn't get your email with your number in it. And when is too late to call? I did email the guy telling him that I think there is a screw missing in my kit. I googled my problem and I found a website saying that the screw that comes with the PS200 often gets pushed back into the little hole it sits in during transit. So the trick is to push it back out. But mine is simply not there... making me think that it not only got pushed back but all the way out. So hopefully he'll be nice and send me a new screw. I don't need a whole new light. The light itself works fine.

Thanks everyone for all your help! I'm off to see what I can set up in my tiny apartment for testing. :)


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1/15/2007 6:39:53 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Alright well I took some test shots. I had no idea what to start with, settings wise, so I started with auto! I took both of these photos that way. Then when I went to start playing around with manual... the battery died. Both of these are 1/60 and f4 and I find them to be a little underexposed. I was pretty limited in space so I just had one light at 5:00, the other at 7:00 and the camera at 6:00. There are no shadows so that's a good start! What settings would you guys recommend for manual, though?

Also, I got the back light onto its stand! What I realized was that I was using one of the screws that the backlight needed on one of the other lights. But I don't know where to put the backlight. Should I put it behind the backdrop? I wasn't using it in these pictures.

Oh and don't mind the wonderful quality of the photos. It's me, shooting myself, in my pajamas, with a remote. :)

I had to trap one of my kittens in the other room while I was doing this because she kept playing with the backdrop and knocking the whole stand over. Heh heh.

Let me know any tips and advice you guys might have. But keep in mind that I can't really move the lights all that much... just change their settings. And I'd like to learn to operate in a small space anyway since I'll probably have to deal with it a lot with my traveling studio.

Thanks everybody!!


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1/15/2007 8:31:16 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  test shot one
test shot one
f/4 1/60 auto, though
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  test shot two
test shot two
f/4 1/60, auto
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Oh I should probably attach the photos, huh?


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1/15/2007 8:46:14 PM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Danielle- you have strobes & got this lighting on F4? Mine were completely white, I mean like I took a pic of a white sheet of paper when my lens was that wide open on manual.

I moved up to like F16 - F22 and had to ignore the cameras light meter... I just kept moving the shutter speed one stop at a time until I found where I felt it was bright enough. Can't remember what speed I ended up liking. I've only played once so far, my backdrops are going up this weekend, then I can play more....


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1/16/2007 6:47:23 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I wrote Danielle another email so she had my phone number with the settings to start.
These are over and over in the threads and in my CDs for those that have them,plus the ones for fixed lens witch tend to be different.
For the best starting place for Most SLRs Manual 200/200 f22 or 20.
Britek Lighting
main full fill half and backlight half to 1/4.
This should help, test and post.
Thank you,
Debby


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1/16/2007 7:03:56 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  HI ALL! I'm still alive. Sorry I haven't been around, I've been "lurking" but not posting.

Deb, I keep thinking of you and just realized last night I never returned your call! If you're there, still need help and can chat today, call me. I'll be here!


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1/16/2007 8:06:13 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Thanks Debby, I will try that. I know this lighting info is in here over and over... but it's also an extremely long thread and I didn't exactly where and didn't want to spend 3 hours trying to find it. I actually did read through one or two of the threads at the very beginning but they are so old that the photos are gone now, which makes em less useful. So I'm gonna go try out this 200/20 and see how it goes. :)

Also, I can't figure out how to attach my umbrellas. I see how I'm supposed to do it but I can't get it to work. Did anybody who has these lights have trouble with that? It attaches easily to the backlight... but that's the one that's not supposed to have the umbrella. :P Those sample pics were taken straight on.


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1/16/2007 8:56:27 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  UMBRELLAS
UMBRELLAS
THERE SHOULD BE A HOLE TO PUT IT IN, SOMETIMES IT IS STAMPED AS A HOLE- YOU HAVE TO PUSH IT THROUGH.
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Call Me!lol
HHHHIII LAURA!!!! miss ya to!!
I know the thread is long, but I am saying that all that good stuff is there. The pics are gone ,Not because it's old, but because Laura and I were going to dismantal it due to those just pulling things apart and making this all so difficult.
Now I wish all that hadn't happened-there was lots of good stuff there.


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1/16/2007 9:01:55 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Danielle, the umbrella should fit through the hole in the silver reflector and there should be a hole in the body of the light to slide the umbrella through.

Did y'all figure out how to get all the lights on the stands?


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1/16/2007 9:05:42 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  dANIELLE, THIS IS TO BOUNCE- IF YOU HAVE WHITE AND WANT TO SHOOT THROUGH , JUST TURN IT AROUND.
lAURA HAS SAME LIGHTS, I AM SURE SHE WILL HELP- I HAVE TO GO.
aLL MY BEST,
dEBBY


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1/16/2007 9:06:28 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Also, Danielle. If those shots were 1/60 f4, there's a major problem. All of your lights may not be firing. Like Denyse said, at those settings, you should have complete white out. Do you have the AS-15 sync attachment for your sync cord?

As Debby posted, ISO 200, 1/200, f20-22 should be a good starting place. Adjust up or down on your Aperture as you change lighting situations, but start there first.


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1/16/2007 9:10:00 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  AHHH! When you say "auto" in the descriptions on your pics, is that the camera's Auto mode??? You HAVE to use Manual for the strobes.


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1/16/2007 9:14:21 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Well I know the lights are firing... very possible they are firing late, though. I do have the flash still on the top of my camera and it's possible all the light is coming from that, I suppose. The problem was that when I used the sync cord... the lights didn't go off at all. But I've got all day to play!

Yes I got the lights on their stands. :)

I know how the umbrella goes on the lights but I can't get the pole through the hole. :P I'm pushing pretty hard, too. Should it be that difficult?

Thanks everybody for your help! I will post as soon as I've taken new ones.


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1/16/2007 9:19:40 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  Okay I got the umbrellas in. Apparently I woke up stronger today than I was yesterday. :)


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1/16/2007 9:33:55 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Okay I've got my lights all set up again. I tried taking it, without the sync cord, with all the settings Debby recommended. The photos came out completely dark. So I attached the sync cord instead and, like before, the flash won't fire at all. I know it's not a communication problem between the sync cord and the flash because when I hit the test button on my hot shoe safe sync, it makes the flash fire. But if I'm taking a photo, nothing happens.

Shawna, you said you still use your external flash to cause your flashes to fire. How do you get them to fire fast enough?


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1/16/2007 10:14:22 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Great! Yes, a couple of mine are pretty tight and hard to get in there, too, but they do go in. The problem might be several things...

First, I know some do use the speedlight to trigger the strobes, my issue with that is that you have the added light of the flash to try to figure out. Also, if there is a pre-flash on, the lights will go off before the shutter because of the pre-flash. It just isn't always the best/most consistent solution, IMHO.

Do you have all of the "slave" switches set to "on" so that they all trigger from the one you are sync-ing to?

Try another sync cord. I know my set came with at least two. There may be a problem with the cord, so try another one.

Is the AS-15 on all the way and locked in place? Sometimes my AS-15 is not all the way on (if the dial was half in the "locked" position, it won't go on all the way) so when I think it's locked on, it's just not quite all the way on and the connections aren't lining up to the hotshoe.

Also, having the camera in Manual mode. You have to shoot manual and set your settings for your strobes to fire.

If I think of any other reasons why it may not be firing, I'll let you know. I have to dust off my strobes and set up my new studio! I haven't shot in-studio in over 6 months!!!


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1/16/2007 10:45:54 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  test three
test three
1/200 f16. Main at 5:00, fill at 7:00 both on full (I was getting shadows with the fill on half). So I guess since they're both the same distance and on the same power... there isn't really a difference between main and fill...
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Thanks Laura!

I see that there are little slave bulbs on the back of my lights, indicating whether or not they are on. They're not lit. But I don't see which switch turns them on. It seems that one switch turns the bulb on, and the other sets it to go off, and that's it. I only have two switches.

I actually have gotten it to work, though, with my external flash. I scoured the threads and found somebody back in thread 2 or 3 having this problem. I don't remember who it was but they recommended turning my flash to manual (to eliminate the pre-flash), then turn the power on it down really low (I put mine on 1/64), and point it at the ceiling. This still triggers my other flash units but doesn't contribute much light. It works for me.

So here I am again! After taking these I realized that, lo and behold, my lights are actually too far away. I was thinking I had so little space I put them as far away as possible... which was about 8 feet. I know at OM we only put the main light about 5 ft away (if I'm remembering correctly). And it makes sense because these look a bit underexposed and they're taken at 200 f16. I'm just uploading the one and then I'm off to readjust the lights and take more!


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1/16/2007 11:19:10 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  OK. The slave lights should have a little switch that turns them on. I'm not sure which lamps you have, but this is what I have:

The HS-1000 model has a ready light, slave light and a black switch that turns the slave on then the test button and the sync connector. Then the next row has the modeling lamp on/off, the silver toggle for strength settings and the power switch.

The PS-200 model has the ready light, slave light, test and sync connector. The next row has the modeling lamp on/off, main power and full/half switch. So I guess the PS doesn't have the on/off for the slave, only the main HS models will have that and it's signal is read by the others? Not sure how that works, but I always keep my slave on and all works fine. (I have 2 HS-1000s for my main and fill, my PS-200s are my back lights. I also have a small hairlight, but I can't remember the model and don't feel like going all the way back up for it! LOL!)

I nearly always use the main and fill on full, unless I'm doing dramatic shots, then I'm all over the place and usually with only one light. I typically have my lights 4-6 feet from the subject and the subject about 3 feet out from the backdrop (eliminates most shadows... the farther you can get out from the backdrop, the better)

Keep playing and posting!! :) Take notes on what works for you! I kept a notebook of settings & placements that worked for me for different poses etc until it became second nature. HAVE FUN! I have to go finish some work and start on my sales tax return!! I'll check back in later! :)


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1/16/2007 11:38:40 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  My lights are the HS600 models. And here's what's on the back of them: two power switches. One turns the bulb on and one makes them ready to flash. And then a black switch to control half, full, or quarter power. On the next line I have the two bulbs: slave and ready. Next to them are the test button and the place for the sync plug to go in. There is also a fuse thing... I'm not sure what that is. But that's all that's on there.

I played around some more. Test shot four was taken with the same lighting arrangement as the others. I may have moved the lights a little closer, but not much. It was taken 200 f/14 and I was three feet from the backdrop. This is probably my best exposed photo so far, but there are some shadows behind me. Are those impossible to eliminate? I wasn't using the backlight because when I do, it just creates this extremely annoying strong light right in the middle of the backdrop. Not attractive at all. Perhaps I should be pointing the backlight away from the backdrop though...?

After I did that, I moved my set up around so I could bring my lights a little closer without putting them in front of my camera. So the lights in test 5 and 6 are about five feet away. I am only about 1 foot from the backdrop though, due to extremely limited space. Shot five was taken at 200 20 and six was 200 18. The shadows don't seem too bad. In five especially... there aren't any. And I just like that photo since it ended up framing perfectly when I'm just guessing here (as you can tell in all of the other ones I take). :)

I still think these seem a little underexposed. I'm getting confused because the LCD on my camera is obviously off. They look much brighter on there.

Laura, do you do most of your shoots on location? How easy is it to travel with all of your equipment? Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks!


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1/16/2007 1:15:17 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
 
 
  Test Four
Test Four
1/200 f14. Lights about seven feet away. Good exposure but there are shadows.
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  Test Five
Test Five
1/200 f20. Lights about five feet away. Looks underexposed.
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  Test Six
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1/200 f18. Lights about five feet away. Still seems a little underexposed but with fewer shadows.
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Oh I forgot to attach the photos again.


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1/16/2007 1:15:44 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
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  Hi Danielle, you need to move your subject away from your background to reduce the shadowing. Then try the one with the good lighting again.


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1/16/2007 1:24:04 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
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  Test Seven
Test Seven
1/200 f/16. Lights 4.5ft away. What do you guys think?
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Donna - Due to limited space, I couldn't get any further from the background without being like... 6 inches away from the camera itself. But I will keep that in mind for when I have more room to work with.

I have since found my settings that I think are going to be best for me. It's 200 f/16 and the lights are about 4.5ft from me, the subject. Here is the photo. I think it works best. Thanks everybody!!


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1/16/2007 2:11:32 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Another thing to remember when puting up lights and testing.
your main light should be a foot above thesubjects head at a 45 degree angle down(hot spot on chest)
fill at lens level and the back light at the lower back.
so if the subject is on hte floor the same rules apply.
if not set this way your shot may seam dark.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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1/16/2007 6:26:43 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Hmm...

Well my main was at the right height, and I didn't have a back light. Its interesting that you say the fill should be at lens level. I never knew that. My fill at OM has never been lens level. It has always been quite high and now it's mounted on the wall a few feet above my head.

My problem is that the backlight stand is so tall, with this kit, that it can't be at back level when somebody is sitting on the ground. On the few shots I did take with the back light, it was above my head... and that was the lowest it could get.

What do you guys with mobile studios do with all of the wires that come along with these lights so that you, or the kids, don't trip over them?


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1/16/2007 7:20:59 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danielle,
You do what you have to do.
sometimes I just sit it on the floor, sometimes I even half to half way cover it with a floor covering.
The studio you are in is a very small one and that is there way of adapting - but not correct.
thier PERFECT studios are now so small, they came up with ways to give the photographer more space- not at all a great way to light.
Sorry.
hope this helps,
Debby
if you have the CDs, you'll see the best set ups- on the studio one and more in the others.
I say this , cuz Renee had them a long time and a injury (lol) before she could find the time to take a good look at them.


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1/16/2007 10:07:33 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  lol, thats what I get for not reading the whole post.
and checking mail before bed.
I thought you were talking about the back light.
the cords, tape them down on the floor so as not to trip over them.
when you can save for radio controllers, the the sync cords can go, and boy do I love that!


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1/17/2007 5:58:54 AM

 
Linda Buchanan   Hi, I hope a newcomer to this thread is welcome to butt in with a question. I have Debby's posing CDs and I have started reading and enjoying these threads. My question is where do you get the sheers you are using in your backgrounds, and how are you hanging them? Also, it appears the babies are up on a table of some sort. What are you using for that? I have tried emailing Debby but not having any luck, I may have an old email address or computer problems. Thanks! I am enjoying following along. Oops, one more question, how are you creating the bubble effect in the galvanized tubs? Is it the little plastic half bubbles I have seen on ebay? Thanks again.


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1/23/2007 4:09:17 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Hi and welcome Linda. Always room for more here;-) As for Debby I am nearly positive she is busy. I did some training with her in person and I tell you there are days I don't think that woman sits for 2 seconds...lol. (love you debby really I do). I myself don't get on here as much as I would like. The bubble effect not sure about others but had planned on purchasing them myself the ones on ebay. You can also use inside the tub cotton like you would use in stuffing a pillow or bubble wrap for packing. Sheer material I am going to purchase mine thru backdropoutlet.com Also I have clamps I use to hold anything into place I may need. hope that helps.

LOL and Debby yes it took me forever to look at the disks serious. I kid you not I think I had the disks a couple of years and it wasn't until I left corporate I trully had time to look at them. Now that I am serious about my home business I had to force myself to sit and look helped that my toe was injured and I couldn't really do anything anyhow...lol. If you have them make the time to look thru the disks they will help alot.

renee


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1/23/2007 4:34:02 PM

 
Linda Buchanan   I can relate. I have had the posing CDs for over a year and just recently looked at them. I remarried in 2005 after being widowed for several years. Two months after our wedding my mother was diagnosed with lung cancer. I cared for her full time until her death on Christmas morning, 2005 and have been caring for my elderly father until he passed a couple weeks ago. I am finally ready to get back to photography. I have upgraded my studio lights and I am ready to set up again. I have been enjoying these threads. What about posing a baby, do you all use a table of some kind?


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1/23/2007 5:50:36 PM

 
Morgana Creely   Can I ask, what the CDs that you are referring to?


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1/23/2007 6:22:37 PM

 
Linda Buchanan   Hi Morgana. I am talking about posing CDs I bought from Debby Tabb. I believe there is also a CD about setting up a home studio. I would like that one, but don't have it.


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1/23/2007 6:25:01 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good evening all,
Hi Renee, yes I have been running ALOT! lol,lol.
I have 4 people in training and a lot of reports so I have not had but a few minutes here and there.
I love having a posing table Linda, sure helps my back, but not really nessisary you can photograph from the Floor just as well.
and as Renee said Backdrop outlet is great for thier " fantasy Cloth"
just use those clips to scallop them.
Morgana, the CDs are shown in my gallery and there is a link to thier full discription on ebay as well.
Linda, since the crazyness of Christmas, I know I have missed a lot of emails- I am so sorry.
Please try again, and I will try to get them answered.
Wishing you all the very best,
Debby
Renee, send me a up date some time.
Hope all is well.
And, Laura- I miss ya!!!!!
I have been trying to get a call to you for days.


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1/23/2007 10:17:08 PM

 
Morgana Creely   Thanks Debby :)


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1/23/2007 11:14:09 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning!!!
I hope you all do not mind, But I started a new thread.
Thead #22 was so long and I was afraid it may be getting difficult for those with dial up.
Here is Thread # 23:

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=27403


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1/24/2007 6:36:31 AM

 
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