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Simon
 

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Hi Guys

Yet another question but before I start thanks to everyone who makes this site so very very helpful to someone who is fairly new to photography. I have just been looking at my photos from the Tour of Britain and wondered what is the longest lens you can hold before you need a tripod. Reason being is when the Tour de France comes over I want to get some good close shot but won't be able to get as close as I would like due to crowds etc. I have been told up to 300 is this correct? Cheers


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September 16, 2006

 

Mark Feldstein
  Greetings Simon: The general rule is that to help prevent camera shake, your minimum shutter speed should be equal to, or just below, the maximum focal length of the lens you'e shooting with. So, for example a 300 mm lens, you ought to be working at 1/250th.

In practice, this varies of course based on a lot of factors including your own skill at holding a camera steady, what you're standing on (like a vibrating bridge) what you're supporting yourself on like a railing or someones head, etc, and how much magnification you put into the finished prints. Camera shake sometimes doesn't rear its ugly head until larger enlargements, say above 8x10.

You can also get a fair amount of support yet portability either using your tripod as a monopod or simply just getting a monopod. My own preference is a Gitzo. ;>)
Okie dokie?
Take it light.
Mark


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September 16, 2006

 

Mike Rubin
  Maybe Mark can expand on this...
I have a 1.6 factor on my Digital Rebel.Should I take that into consideration when hand holding (at 300mm) and not use a shutter speed less than 1/500th ?


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September 16, 2006

 

Bob Chance
  Mike,

Hopefully I can clear up a misconception about those focal length factors.
First of all, in no way does it actually multiply or increase the focal length of a lens. The lens is going to produce the same size image circle on a sensor as it does a full frame 35mm.
The difference is, that because the frame is smaller, you are actually getting a smaller chunk of that circle.
Someone else on here wrote that it's like taking a 5x7 print and sticking it in a 4x6 frame. So what the manufactureres are trying to say is, an image captured on the smaller sensor is 'like' having a longer focal length lens on a full frame. An image shot with a 160mm lens will yield a full frame shot of subject X. But because of the smaller sensor your camera can yield a full frame shot of subject X with only a 100mm lens. So consequently a 100mm on your camera will give the same framing results as a 160mm lens on a full frame model. Hence the 1.6x factor.
Therefore, you would still treat a 300mm lens, like a 300mm lens. It's not going to have a different focal length or magnification just because it's on a camera with a smaller sensor.
This is how P&S cameras can advertise effective focal lengths of 400mm. It's not that the lens is 400mm. But the sensors are so small that to fill a 35mm with a like subject at the same distance would take a lot longer lens.
So, regardless of your sensor size, go by Marks shutter speed rule. The reciporcal of the focal length for a shutter speed as a guideline only. As he also pointed out, another big factor is ones ability to hold a camera steadily. Some people can shoot with a lens that size at slower shutter speeds and some people might just as well put it on a tripod and use a remote.


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September 16, 2006

 

Mike Rubin
  Thanks Bob. I wasn't sure if I needed to adj. the shutter speed higher. I just thought I had to so always did. I'm glad to know that's not the case.
1/320 can be much beter than 1/500.


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September 16, 2006

 

Pete H
  Hello Simon,

To add to the already good advice:

The reciprocity rule is certainly a great guideline; however, sharpness of image will also be determined by f/ stop, moreso with a 300mm lens.
Tour de France photos I am sure you will want sharp?

Lenses have what many call the "sweet spot" This is the f/ stop that produces the best possible sharpness.
It is rarely if ever at it's widest aperture; this sweet spot is usually at or around f/11.

This for many begs the question; "If I shoot at f/11, my shutter speed is too slow." What a quandry huh? LOL

Better to up the ISO a little than risk "soft" or blurry shots.
Just a thought.

All the best,

Pete


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September 16, 2006

 

Samuel Smith
  or use f8?might not want to see what's in the background anyway..


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September 16, 2006

 

Pete H
  With a 300mm @ f/8 or f/11, I doubt you'll see much in the background. LOL


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September 16, 2006

 

Samuel Smith
  well yeah,let me quit laughing at myself,i was thinking of a faster shutter speed if it was opened up a little more.less chance for blur.
keep me honest,sam


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September 17, 2006

 

Simon
  Thanks guys for all your help. So it doesn't really matter what size lens you get as long as you stick to the basic rule "minimum shutter speed should be equal to, or just below, the maximum focal length". Just a guy at a camera shop said anything over 300m you must use a tripod but I guess this isn't the case...cheers guys


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September 17, 2006

 

Bob Chance
  Just as a case in point example, years ago I owned a 500mm mirror lens. I was able to hand hold this lens at shutter speeds much less than 1/500th sec because the optical design made the lens so much smaller and lighter than a conventional 500mm.
Don't see those puppies much anymore. I think either Tokina or Tamron still makes one.


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September 17, 2006

 
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