 Jason A. Woodcock |
killing old film terms is your digital work space in the dark? then why do we call it a digital dark room? adobe is introducing adobe lightroom which I think is a much more appropriate term for my work space. its where I control my light and its in a very well light room. film and darkrooms are a thing of the past lets move on, so for now on I will be refering to my digital work space as my lightroom. let me know what you all think and I don't want to start a debate about film vs. digital. if you are still using film then your probably still using 8 tracks too. JAW
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
You say you don't want to start a film/digital debate, but you follow it up with unknowledgeable indicating comment like still using film means still using 8 tracks?
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Jason A. Woodcock |
that was a joke gregory? i still use my 4x5 field camera every now and then but if you think film is not a dying thing then your crazy!!! and what the hell is so unknowlegeable about it anyway its a fact!!!! cameras like the 5d and 1ds mark II are killing film they far surpass anything by far 35mm and 2&1/4 could ever do and epson printers are surpassing silver printing as well. now I think I'll go put on a benny goddman 8 track and play my atari!!!
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Bob Cammarata |
I think the terminology will remain for a long time after film finally disappears. After all,...digital technology is based on film. In 20 years, try telling your grandson he "sounds like a broken record" and I bet he will know what that means.
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doug Nelson |
One of the silliest holdover terms from film is "Unsharp Mask". The confusing term has put off a lot of beginners from using the proper adjustable sharpening tool. There are still folks out here who are not ready to spring for $3-5,000 full-frame digitals with a 3 year service life (if other electronics are any indication). I'd rather shoot film with my reliable mechanical cameras and shell out $500 every three years for a film scanner.
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Craig m. Zacarelli |
i always wondered but never wanted to take the energy to find out... why is it called "Unsharp" mask anyhow? And it sure is confusing.. I couldnt figure out what it was for, I mean, I KNEW there were blur tools...lol Digital darkroom is just a play on words, the darkroom where the film is devoleped Vs. the computer where the files are processed.. so, again, just a play on words.. much like "Digital negatives"
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Michael H. Cothran |
Jason, Your opinion is your opinion, but you need to be accurate with your "facts." Fact 1 - a 4000 ppi scan from a Nikon CCD home scanner will produce a useable 55 mb file. The 5d will produce a 35 mb file. The 1ds will produce about 45 mb. The bigger the file, the more detail you have to work with. So the Canons you mention will still not record as much detail as scanned 35mm Velvia film. Fact 2 - Benny Goodman (not Goddman) was dead long before the first 8-track was ever introduced. Had you mentioned a group such as Creedance Clearwater Revival in reference to 8-tracks, or Benny Goodman in reference to 78 rpm records, you would have been more accurate, thus offering a little more credibility to your rather unsubstantiated, unresearched, and somewhat ignorant remarks. Call your work space what you want - I doubt if the rest of the world gives a rat's hiney as to what you want to call it.
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Bob Cammarata |
Craig, I was a bit confused by the "Unsharp Mask" terminology myself and did the research to learn that the un-sharp mask feature is basically designed to correct (mask) the parts within the image which are not sharp. Michael,
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Kerry L. Walker |
Jason, you might want to hang onto that Atari set. Just heard on the radio today that two of the newest games available for the X-Box are ....... Frogger and Pac-Man. Seems like there is a renewed interest.
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Jerry Frazier |
I'd be interesting in what you plan to call negatives. I call them digital negatives. I think people want to understand what the are getting. Saying digital images, or something, doesn't quite hit home...with clients, at least. But, I'm up for a great term to describe the original digital images.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
when is the profoundness supposed to come in?
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Jerry Frazier |
When you start contributing.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Ahh, only one avenue? Too bad. Generate more buzz by wearing mix match socks if he really needs to have digital darkroom only taken in a literal sense. Unless his light room actually is wear he controls light, as he said, and not where he takes the picture. Well, at least after he's clear on if he has a space, or a whole room.
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Jerry Frazier |
I guess I'll just call my CF Cards, film.
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Jason A. Woodcock |
first of all michael the benny GOODMAN thing was a type-o and a joke!!! lighten up man plus benny GOODMAN died in 1986 and many of his hits where avialable on 8 track second you are mislead!! your file size does not mean more detail I can make one of my digital rebel shots 45x60 at 4000ppi and the file will be huge that does not mean I have created more detail. get your facts straight my brother. third your just an as#h*l% forth am I wroung to say that after you scan your velvia it becomes digital. or are my facts wrong on that too. now gregory I shot alot and have a life and have been away from my computer thats why only one avenue. oh and my sock match and my lightroom is where I control my light. and adobe is the ones who have came up with the term LIGHTROOM its a new program coming out for digital photography. and I just thought that some of us where ready to move on from old film terms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jason A. Woodcock |
one more thing michael you are forgeting dynamic range (exposure latitude) both the 5d and 1ds mark 2 have much more dynamic range then velvia and you also lose dynamic range in the scanning process. plus all the time spent scanning images vs. shoting. and like I told gregory its adobes term not mine and I think people will give a rats hiney what adobe thinks.
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Since the title of the software is lightroom, guess that's what it will be called. Like photoshop is called photoshop, but lo and behold, it's not actually a shop. And yes, you have a life when you can contemplate the confusion of the term digital darkroom being mistaken that it's actually a dark room. "I borrowed your pen but I couldn't find your work space, so I took the one by your computer over there in the corner."
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Jason A. Woodcock |
let me get this straight I am not confused by the term dark room I ran a dark room for ten years at a pro lab in lake tahoe. I know what a dark room is ok! now give me my pen back!!
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
I know you know what a dark room is. What you don't know is you're not doing anything that's a revelation by calling it a dark room, light room, lab, work space, computer table, pixel manangement system, or whatever psuedo technical term you can come up with.
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Jason A. Woodcock |
i know that you know that I know what a darkroom is. and finally you make a good point. but I dont think the term dark room will last only time will tell.
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Jagadeesh Andrew Owens |
In fact, my digital darkroom IS in the dark. I do all my photo editing in complete darkness, for purposes of color correctness (or my version of color correctness...).
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John P. Sandstedt |
Just had to join in . . . "...cameras like the 5d and 1ds mark II are killing film they far surpass anything by far 35mm and 2&1/4 could ever do...} As a proud 30D owner, Jason, I beg to point out that the 5D isn't killing film [traditional]photography. As many pros will attest, it's the point and shooters, who really believe they can take suberb photos with their 3 MP computers. Read some of the threads on Wedding Photography and you'll be come very concerned for professional wdeeing photographers. While the 5D seems to be a great unit, the fact is that probably way less than 1% of photographers [and probably BP members] can, or will choose to, spend $3000 on a camera body. So one can't say it's one camera or even several. I will take the same image, whether I use my EOS 3 or my EOS 30D. I'll have a slide/negative or a file on a CF card. Whether the image is a winner has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's a traditioanl [NOT ANALOG (wrong term, completely)!!!!] or digital image. A good picture starts with the photographer and I don't care what kind of camera a good photographer uses. Some percentage of folks will have really large prints made; most are very content with 4X6's. While digital appears to be cheaper because one can take many, many pictures and CHOOSE to erase the poor ones, folks that do print [at any size] incur significant costs. So, in reality, savings - in part - comes, not from how many images are printed, but rather from the fact that one doesn't have to prpint "all" the pictures on the roll. [That is, if one isn't smart enough to just get a roll of negatives and a CD.] As to your point, or lack thereof, regarding digital darkroom - What about wet and dry darkrooms? The point is - that, as Sipho said, many graphic artists and photo-editing program users turn down the lights to get a better feel of colors and details. Just as B&W didn't go away as color negative films were improved [and took over amateur picture-taking,] as long as there are some of who continue to use film [especially for B&W] AND manufacturers continue to sell film, traditional photography will stick around. Jason - you're entitled to your opinion. But Gregory, Michael, Sipho, I and many others might just still prefer [or, at least, use] film.
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Bob Cammarata |
"In fact, my digital darkroom IS in the dark. I do all my photo editing in complete darkness, for purposes of color correctness (or my version of color correctness...)." "The point is - that, as Sipho said, many graphic artists and photo-editing program users turn down the lights to get a better feel of colors and details" ...And I thought I was the only one doing this! (I guess we're all doomed to a future of trying to survive in the dark ages.) ;) "A good picture starts with the photographer and I don't care what kind of camera a good photographer uses." Very well said!
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Francis N. |
My digital Darkroom is my basement. It is also a a play room, a tv room, a music room, a pool room and whatever else we need it for.
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Sharon Day |
You all are funny :o)! Here you all are debating film vs digital and whether film terms are dead or not but I was more interested in "Lightroom." Here's a link to a couple of tutorials. This looks like it's going to be really neat! http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom/video/#
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Stop calling them links and call them internet conduits.
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Sharon Day |
LOL Gregory! I'll try to remember the correct terminology :o)! I hate messing with HTML or they would be links :D.
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Sharon Day |
Adobe Lightroom Videos
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Bob Cammarata |
...Come again?!
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