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Customer from Nigeria I have been contacted by someone in Nigeria wanting to purchase three of one of my prints. This is what he wrote "THANKS FOR THE REPLY,I WILL LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT I PREFER PAYING WITH CASHIER CHEQUE AND PLS I HANDLE THE SHIPMENT MY SELF THROUGH MY SHIPPER ,OK,HERE IS THE ONE NEEDED BELOW:..." I will take Cashiers Check but the idea of him handling the shipment is a little weird to me. I won't agree to that. Also, this is my first sale (if it is legite). Never sold a print before - how do I decide what to charge? Thanks.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
Sounds like the scam Heather (here at BP.com) mentions in this thread: http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.php?threadID=21709
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John Rhodes |
Danielle, as you likely know, there are more scams coming out of Nigeria that attempt to obtain information, such as account numbers, etc. The soul purpose is to empty your account. If it were me, I would miss a sale rather than get involved in something you may be sorry for later. John
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Christopher A. Vedros |
If you've replied to him already, then he has your email address. Don't give him any more information. Don't contact him again. Get a spam filter or junk mail filter, you'll probably need it.
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Danielle H. Ross |
You are right. I have the same kind of Nigerian emails for my gemstone jewelry website business but they never offer to pay by Cashiers Check. That is why I thought possibly it may be legite. Well that certainly burst my bubble. I will delete the email and ignore any future emails. Thanks for the heads up. Danielle
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gregbrileyphotography.com - Greg Briley Contact Greg Briley Greg Briley's Gallery |
I just received the following letter: Hello, Should we email this guy back and tell him he is being investigated? I will forward this to Heather and Jim so they can put out a notice.
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Brendan Knell |
Greg, if you read Christophers response, you'll see that Heather has already put out a notice. Also if you reply to them, they've gotcha. They've got your email adress, and I'm pretty sure that that's what they want, not your money.
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gregbrileyphotography.com - Greg Briley Contact Greg Briley Greg Briley's Gallery |
Yeah, I read back through the threads and slso saw Heather's thread. I didn't respond and am glad Heather and the gang are looking out for us. Hopefully others will see this and not respond either. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Dale Mickelsen |
Being retired from law enforcement my advice is, do not respond to this. They will next ask for your bank account number to make a direct deposit, this is a scam, THIS IS A SCAM. UNFORTUNATLY, their government does not deal with these matters therefore there is virtually no recourse other than, delete it and consider yourself as a wise person.
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Lynn Crawford |
I just checked my mail tonight and got the exact same message from someone. Thanks everyone for the advice not to respond. I am so thankful that we all look out for one another here at BP.
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Kevin Black |
got mine tonight, 2 in fact, lol...the one from Junio Ola and one from "Mrs. Tolu Greg": HELLO ARTIST, Just sounded funky, so did a google search on Lagos, Nigeria, 23401, and haven't replied. here's the search...very enlightening...
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Scott Borger |
I HAD THE VERY SAME THING HAPPEN. I GOT THE VERY SAME EMAIL FROM MRS TOLU.
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Dale Mickelsen |
Too much coincidence!!!! Sounds like someone has found BP and is making the rounds. I wonder if there is a way BP can let members know before someone gets "take-in".
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Margaret L. Castellanos |
I received the very same email -- I would have to agree too much coincidence -- it is probably a scam.
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Kevin Black |
obviously something phishy (HA!) is goin on with that stuff, but to offer to pay by cashier's check or money order? I think it's probably as others above have figured, they just want people's email addresses...
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Debby A. Tabb |
Danielle, I know it may all seem paraniod but everyone here is just trying to keep you safe. I my self ,as careful as I try to be, have had my ebay account taken over twice, just by answering a better scam artist.As you may know the more business you do the more likli you may fall a victum. May I suggest that you have all print sales etc. (anything that may be purchases) going to one email address, not your personal that you do your banking etc. out of. and using paypal in a very good way of protecting yourself. as far as print sales, I do them out of Photoreflect.com This gave my a FREE domain name and store front : all purcheses are made through there, sent to the lab I choose, I have present sizes and prices so they pay for it there, the order goes straight to the lab and then shipped straight to the customer. I just get a check- NO negotiations. and on all my accounts if there has been a possible scam-I change all pass words to accounts that may be afected. I do hope this helps and wish you the best of luck, Debby
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Earl Blansfield |
Unfortunately, I have already responded and informed them I don't take credit cards and accept pay pal and cashiers checks and money orders. HOWEVER, in light of all of the responses to my question, I will ignore their emails in the future. I have a firewall on my computer and spam blocker. I may even change my email addres. I appreciate the comments from everyone. Earl
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Kerry L. Walker |
If they offer you a cashier's check or money order, it will be for more than the agreed price and will be bogus. They will ask you to send the photos and a check for the balance back to them. Your check will clear the bank but theirs won't.
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Debby A. Tabb |
eARL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THAT ADDRESS, JUST THE PASS WORD. hEY TO LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW "INTRESTING" THIS ALL IS I HAVE ONE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WHERE HE EMAILED ME SAYING I HAD A SECOND CHANCE OFFER ON A ITEM I HAD BID ON ON EBAY.
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Debby A. Tabb |
I just checked my mail and thought I would post a excert from the ebay letter sent to me concerning my forward: From: "eBay Customer Support" Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by ebay.com. Learn more Hello, Thank you for writing to eBay regarding the email you received. Emails such as this, commonly referred to as "spoof" or "phished" The email you reported was not sent by eBay. We have reported this In the future, be very cautious of any email that asks you to submit 1. Open a new Web browser and type www.ebay.com into your browser 2. On eBay, sign into your account and click the "My eBay" button at 3. Check the My Messages section located at the top of the My eBay Just remember, if you get an email to your registered eBay email
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Kerry L. Walker |
"I my self ,as careful as I try to be, have had my ebay account taken over twice, just by answering a better scam artist." Do you mean a better scam artist than you? I don't believe anyone is better than you! You're my favorite scam artist! Watch out everybody, Debby will scam you out of your coffee! lol
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Debby A. Tabb |
Oh Kerry,lol,lol you are so fun,lol. but don't tell them that, I need all that extra coffee, just to keep up with you my friend! you are a rascle,lol.
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Kerry L. Walker |
Just trying to enjoy life on the lighter side. Luv ya girl. Have a good day and plenty of coffee!
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Debby A. Tabb |
Me too, Kerry! I've had the flu the last few days, but I feel better! and I was just off having a great time driving my son NUTS with my version of "fly me to the Moon" No coffee for a few days-I geuss this cup has kicked in and I drove him right out of the house,lol,lol,lol AAHHH, a more coffee and the house to myself! yes, enjoying the lighter side! have a wonderful day!! :-)
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Lani Allen |
OK, I've obviously been spammed. I should have gone to BP first before I did respond with a quote for some of my photographs as they have emailed back asking if they can pay by cashier check. So has this harmed my e-mail, hard drive...anything else? Signed... feeling like a fool!
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
No guarantee that you're into any virus troubles... you've probably opened the gates to more scam emails from this outfit, since they now know your address to be "legit." But take heart; by not going any further, you've at least avoided the main target of this scam---which is parting you from your OWN money.
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Debby A. Tabb |
Lani, REALLY don't feel bad or foolish-thats why I posted that as carful as you can try to be-there is always someone trying to pull something. Alot of times if you don't know where the email is coming from, it's best to take there address and compose a new letter-now I can remember what it is, but one of the computer experts out there will probubly chime in with how this works: if you just reply,thats how you can get yourself trouble,if you take their address and compose a new mailing then your safe(?) Greg is not here to ask.sorry. any way to be safe I would just change your passwords. and if you have paid a account or made a tranaction then change the passwords of those accounts as well. i hope this helps,
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- Sherry Stricklin Boles Contact Sherry Stricklin Boles Sherry Stricklin Boles's Gallery |
Hi, Everyone! I really appreciate you all sharing this information. I stay away from mail that I do not recognize but it's always nice to keep informed of the scams that are out there...just in case...
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Ken Barrett |
Hello everyone, Just received an email from our friend "junio ola" in Nigeria!!! Looks like he is working hard. I WILL IGNORE HIS EMAILS. Thanks for all the information. Ken
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Tim |
I received "junio's" message also, and just want to remind everybody who did receive it to check their address book a delete the address if it was saved if they haven't done so already. You don't want to send this person anything by accident if you send messages to all your legitimate contacts
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Earl Blansfield |
Thanks for the reminder. I already deleted it and changed my email address. Not sure if that helps anything but, I did it just because I felt more at ease changing it.
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Craig m. Zacarelli |
Ok Thats it... My fellow BP-ers, we begin bombing Nigeria in ten minutes! Dont fall for ANY e-mail asking for private numbers. E-bay? I get these once a week at least, I always respond by using a really dirty, off the wall username and password.. ( I admit it, I do get a little chuckle of seeing the ebay "greeting" page come on my screen and say, "Hello MR. A** Wipe" or something like that) but the next thing is, they want your credit card #'s.. youll see that if you wait about an hour or so, the link will be dead..i guess they have t hit and run so's not to get caught.
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Debby A. Tabb |
Craig, LOL,LOL,thank you so very much, I so needed that good laugh,You had me die'in,lol
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x |
I had one of these guys offering me a unique opportunity to shoot their wedding. I emailed them back and said that my day rate is $50,000 plus all expenses of a crew of 10. This shooting fee is for my time and all prints, albums, etc are additional commissions. On average, my clients spend around $200,000 US. If this is acceptable, we will make the necessary arrangements. We accept cash only. We require a 100% retainer to hold the date for you. Please contact me at your earlier convinience. I never heard from him again. jerry
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Margaret m. Buenneke |
I got this one from junio ola as well - unfortunately,I did respond. However, I suggested a liaison through the Nigerian Embassy to handle shipping to avoid any customs fees. Not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. I will head out to Kinko's to change passwords... Wish I had checked here first. I think the worst part is all of us who got excited about sales. Sigh.
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DIANE COSGROVE |
Add me to the list of "almost been scammed by Junio". I guess I haven't been keeping up on the forum at BP or I would have known. I did respond with some questions (he wanted prints in the size 16x20cm and I knew right there that something was wrong).I wrote back questioning the size but haven't heard from him as yet. Luckily a local tv station ran a consumer alert about bogus checks and money orders from Nigeria. I was then put on alert. I was coming to the forum to alert other photographers when,lo and behold, the alert had already been put out. I'll pay more attention to the forum from now on. Diane
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Kathy Cobb |
Add me to the list of people who has been contacted by this person. Thanks for posting info here.
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Maverick Creatives |
I also had a request from Nigera. I sold him 3 copies of each photograph in my gallery for 100 dollars each and am now living comfortably on a tropical island. Thank you Better Photo. *snap*
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Bob Cammarata |
I vote for around-the-clock saturation bombing of Nigeria...concentrating on Junio Ona's headquarters of course. Naturally...I'm just kidding but don't be fooled or misled by these types of contacts. They want your money or your personal information so they can use it toward their own ends. Here's a copy of what I received once through my website at BP: FROM: DR.JACKSON.KHUMALO . ATTN: DEAR SIR / MADAM STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL
Due to this war, public funds and properties have been constantly looted and stolen by the rebel soldiers and Furthermore, we deposited the fund with the Security and Finance Company, here in Johannesburg, South Africa. I am presently living in South Africa on assylum. The Financial law of South Africa does not allow asylum any financial rights. In view of this, coupled with the way in which the money was acquired, I decided not to invest this money anywhere in South Africa or the African continent as a whole. For your efforts, I am prepared to offer you 30% of the total sum if you will assist me to transfer this money into your account overseas, 5% have also been mapped out for expenses that might be incurred in the process of this transaction, and remaining 65% will be for I and my colleague which we intend investing in your country or any where you may deem fit. From the above, you will understand that our entire life and our future and that of our families depends on this money, as such I will very much appreciate if you can assist us. Please note that this transaction is risk free. The major thing I request from you is absolute assurance that this money will be safe when transferred to your account. If you can be of assistance, kindly contact me on the above telephone number. Even if you have decided otherwise, I will be most grateful if you maintain the confidentiality of this matter. I am looking forward to your urgent reply. Yours sincerely, DR.JACKSON. KHUMALO. ...This one, I quickly deleted but saved a copy...just for laughs.
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Brendan Knell |
Bob, It looks like they're starting to get creative! Must be because to many people are finding out about their scam.
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Karen Damiani |
I recieved email from Junio this morning as well. I was very excited that someone wanted to buy my photos. Now I'm just very pleased I didnt respond to him and thought I would investigate and so found your discussion. Thanks for posting here :)
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Nicole D. Davis |
Wow! I am so glad all of you posted these comments. I, too, recieved an email from Junio Ola in Nigeria to order some of my prints. "Nigeria" put up red flags for me, since that is usually associated with some sort of email scam. Thanks to all of you, I am glad that I went with my gut feeling. Nicole
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Adrienne I. Brand |
Yeah, the cheeseball emailed me, too. *sigh... and all this time I thought I was special. *LAUGHING* Oh well! Looks like we're ALL special! *wink... ~ Adrienne Brand
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Jan Day |
Got me....I replied and he replied back with the photos he wanted. He wanted 10 prints of the same photo, which I thought was odd, so I googled his name and here I am.
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Jan Day |
And now, I'm starting to get spammed. &*^%%#@!!
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Jan Day |
What passwords should a person change?
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Deanna Cathcart |
I have gotten several of these through betterphoto. I have also gotten many of these for the sale of my pups - so I knew it was a scam. On the dog site I advertise on they post a scam warning on the webpage - other art places send out a scam email warning to help protect their users & let them know this is going around. I just contacted better photo and asked them to do this. If they are still hitting this site so hard my guess is it has worked here already a few times. Beings we are being contacted directly through this site then I think betterphoto has a responsibility to educate people about what is going on.
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Adrienne I. Brand |
You know what?? I'M getting SPAM now TOO! I didn't even make the connection! AHHH what can we do?
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Kevin S. Daly |
It seems I was emailed by the same con! At least he has good taste. You all have great photos. Hello,
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Jan Day |
What a confusing, complicated scam! Got this this morning - I'm now bouncing them back to him. Hello , I also want to alert you on the fact that you will be receiving an overdraft The Cashier Check will be in your name to make it easier for you to receive Once the money is received by the agent, the shipping agent will contact (1) Full Name Once you get back to me with all the above, the Cashier Check will be issued
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Susan Cliett |
Boy do I feel like an idiot. I should have checked here first but when I got the first email I didn't think anything of it and emailed back. It wasn't until I got the last one saying that he used his own shipping company that I got that "feeling" boy am I glad I didn't send him my mailing address. Thanks for the heads up. Going to change my email password and run a spyware and spam check on my computer.
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Jan Day |
They're the idiots. Who wouldn't question it after that long and complicated process?!! It's sick that there are people out there with so much time on their hands. I mean, really....get a life!
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Sandra Colson |
When I first got the email from junio, I was flattered that someone in Nigeria had seen my images and wanted to buy them. Then I remembered that there are lots of scams coming out of that country, so I emailed BetterPhoto.com to ask about it. I'm glad I did! I mentioned this to a co-worker, who sells her crafts online, and she told me the Nigerian scams were being massively discussed on that website's message boards. She said the word is that some people sit all day in Nigerian web cafes and do nothing but send out scamming emails. I would also recommend caution if you receive inquiries from anyone in Eastern Europe, which is another location of serious scamming and phishing. If you ever have questions about whether or not something is a hoax or a scam, I highly recommend a website called snopes.com where they investigate and debunk hoaxes. I found information about the Nigerian scams there, by the way. Sandra C.
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Deanna Cathcart |
I got a new one today - now the guy is dying from cancer. These people have no morals. I am a little upset by betterphotos lack of response to the note I sent them asking that they notify members or post a warning on the main page. These people are contacting us through THEIR site - the least they could do is notify the unwary that this is happening around here.
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Goshka G. |
Looks like Junio has struck again.;-)I opened my email this morning to find the same letter which just smelled like a scam from Nigeria. Searched his name here and got my confirmation. Perhaps BP could mention the scam in their weekly newsletter, to prevent anyone from getting their hopes up and answering that email?
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Cathy M. Gromball |
Yup! Junio is still on the go. BEWARE!!! I'm so glad I searched his name in BP before responding!
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Carrie A. Gebrosky |
Yet another, I was contacted as well. Same email as Catthy's. Pretty sad. I am so glad I checked here too. I'm so glad someone posted about this to inform and make aware that this happenes here as well. Thanks again... CAG
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Nicole Grimsley |
Another one here. Same Junio Ola email. Glad I was able to check here before responding! They seem relentless! It's sad, really. Hopefully no one gets scammed!
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Lacie Fry |
O Man! I got this e-mail and sent a little responce asking a few more questions about what he is interested in. Thank God that I had this feeling to google junio ola and this was the first think that came up. Thanks all of you!! I have changed my p-word and I won't talk to him again. I can't believe my mom was right...don't talk to strangers.
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Kerry L. Walker |
Hey, you can talk to me and they don't come any stranger than I am! LOL
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Mary DeGreve |
Man, I'm totally kicking myself. I got the same email from junio and replied back before talking to others who got me thinking about the scam. He's got my email and the spam has started. PLease someone help me out - do I need to change my email password and my betterphoto password? Did a search today and found all these posts. Even posted a little something within my class about getting an order from Nigeria and what should I charge type thing. No one gave me a heads up because I think they just aren't aware. Going back and posting something there straight away.
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jtth hgtht |
This is a very old scam (at least in internet terms). It has many variations but a common theme i.e. bad cheques. This is a prime example of social engineering scams. A simple example is someone calling and claiming to be from an internet support group and needs your password to ensure your software is working. Always verify the source. Offer to call them back and get a phone number. Dont respond to emails from banks etc even if you do business with them. They will not ask for account info and many of these email scams redirect you to what looks like the banks webpage but its not. They collect your information that way. Social engineering scams will also use sales tactics to pressure you into giving up info. For example: You have won a car, if you respond with .... info within x hours, you can collect this brand new car. Be aware, be suspicious, always verify.
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Margaret m. Buenneke |
What gets me, though, is how stupid do these people think we are? I mean, I'm sure I'm not the first one who answered after a delay, thinking for sure it was a scam, because after all, it came out of Nigeria. I felt really bad about that being my very first assumption, but pretty clearly it was a correct assumption. And I know I'm not the only person around who instantly thought "scam" because it came from Nigeria. Maybe if they had used another country's name, I wouldn't have thought that, and I'm ashamed to think that was my first thought. I guess these people don't realize the harm they are doing to their country's already shaky reputation.
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Cheri Homaee |
Hi, I fell for one of these they sent me a check and the bank said it was good then I waited for the check to clear. But I decided to call the person who wrote the check. It was forged. I had to contact the FBI and the local police. It wasn't Nigeria the guy was from england and wanted the prints sent to Nigeria. Cheri
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BetterPhoto Member |
Hi BP Members, Yes, in response to the Nigerian email scams that all of us were hit with via the contact button on our galleries, Jay has added an authentication step for anyone who wants to contact a BP member via their gallery. This is a great security step and should help in warding off spam. Also, you have the option now to deactivate your contact button if you choose. You can turn off your contact button via your Member Center>My Member Info.>Contact Info.>Uncheck Contact Form Activation. Thanks Jay for working so hard and so quickly on this spam issue. Thanks, Heather Young
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Jan Day |
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Cathy M. Gromball |
Thank you to the BP team for working hard to keep the site friendly and safe! Cathy :)
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Kevin S. Daly |
If you are worried about spam, viruses and questionable email sent to you. You might consider using an email service that you long on to a site to view and send your emails. Hotmail, Yahoo and local Internet service providers offer this service. With Rogers Internet, I log on to their site to send and receive emails. The advantage to this is that there is a less chance of downloading potential viruses directly onto your PC and you wont give away your IP address. There is always still a chance of receiving a virus/spam but with proper security software you can prevent most. Someone mentioned changing passwords…Changing your email/pc/bankcard/betterphoto account password every 30 – 90 days is always smart. Most government employees are required to change passwords every 30 - 90 days for security reasons. If you can, always use upper and lower case and numbers in your passwords.
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Moira E. Groeneveld |
Hi, I got one too from Junio Ola. Despite my feeling that perhaps this wasn't legite, I emailed him back anyway, asking which photos and how many? He said they were for his new residence in his first email. When he responded with 6 of one of my photos, I figured I better check it out and emailed BP and they emailed me back saying it was a scam with a link to the forums. WOW! The things that made me uncomfortable were unfortunately that they were out of Nigeria (sad, but true), and that why would anyone order 6 of the same prints for their house. Darn it...they prey on our dreams...its cruel.
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Tamra Walker |
Okay, Guys... Would you consider this an e-mail to be ignored??? It's not from Nigeria, but the language is eerily similar to the ones in your postings... "Hello, Goodday to you over there, My name is Alex Smith and I will like to order for some art prints from you and my method of payment is cashier cheque or money order ,so I will like you to pls state if that method of payment is ok by you and also also as in the shipment,i have my own shipping company that will be coming to pick them up.thanks.awaiting to read from you.thanks. Alex Smith." Do I just delete this one and save myself future aggravation? Thanks, in advance, for your responses! -Tami Walker
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Jan Day |
Yes, I'd ignore it. These people just don't give up. Alex Smith...can they come up with a more generic name?! Makes me laugh sometimes.
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Tamra Walker |
Thought so. Thanks for confirming! and for your speedy response, Jan. Have a great day!!!
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Craig m. Zacarelli |
I just got that one today!.. lol that Alex Smith...what a nut.lol I just delete ANYTHING that comes from Better photo.com.. I mean, emails wanting to purchase prints that is.. I have my smugmug listed on my gallery, if anyone wants to purchase a print they can go through my smugmug website and get one!
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Ariel Lepor |
Does this Alex, person from Nigeria, or whoever, not get the message? No one wants to hear from him and no one will respond, thanks to this thread. GIVE IT UP, ALEX!!!
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Ariel Lepor |
Hey, guys, check out this link: http://www.birdforum.net/archive/index.php/t-24983
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Tamra Walker |
Good morning to all, Ariel, thanks for mentioning that link. It's important to read the thread here-explains a lot. Thanks for sharing. Have a great weekend!
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Craig m. Zacarelli |
Here's a really funny read, its from canon POTN, another forum I belong too.. THis is the classic ebay scam involving the second chance offer and western union.. Except this member give the scammer a run for the money! Funny funny stuff. http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=171319 Craig-
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Ariel Lepor |
LOL!!! That thread is TOO funny. I not lik getting wet bekuz it is ranin throu me skn. LOL!
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Michele N. Yamrick |
Okay I'm the serious idiot, and will probably forward a fraud report to a credit agency, only Junio has changed his name to Alex Smith, or Alex James. So far no harm done, all he has is my email address, and unfortunately the home address as well. So much for getting excited about this 'big sale' eh? These people are seriously bad. Remember those names. And man will I think twice in the future.
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Michele N. Yamrick |
Here is one thing we all can do... Go to your member center, and update your bio/info to "not receive contacts" that way, they can't email you in the first place. I've done it, no more Alex's for me.
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Ariel Lepor |
But don't you ever get people asking you questions or commenting on your photos through your member center? Why would the threat of an email from Alex stop all that? He's just an idiot, anyway.
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Jurij ?krlj |
Next one on 5/31/2006 Hello stay creative members of our BP and continue to make so excelent photos.
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Tamra Walker |
Okay guys, Here's yet another one... ------------------------------------------- "Hello, It's my pleasure to contact you on my Interested in purchasing some images direct from your store. I am Mr Mike Moore. My method of payment is Cheque. Beside I will be handling the shipping my self with my frieght forwarder for pick up. Awaiting to hear back from you. Mr Mike Moore" *****************************
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Laura Kubasiewicz |
Sorry to add to the never ending thread ;) but just got this: Hello, sent from: mathew7v7_1@hotmail.com Mathew? James?! ahh who knows!!
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Ariel Lepor |
This guy's a real idiot. He could at least try to be consistent and take grammar lessons.
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Jan Day |
Here's another - Mike Moore is now Kennedy Moore. They could at least learn to write properly. I think this is the fourth different name I've received a letter from. I'm STILL not fooled! Hello, Thank you Best Regards
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Ariel Lepor |
*sigh* He thinks he can fool the same person four times just by changing the name?!
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