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Alisha L. Ekstrom
 

Was wondering when you work on an image


Hi EVERYONE...I was wondering something...WHEN working on an image in photoshop do you make a copy of the original FIRST...THEN work on it...OR can you work on the original & THEN save it as a COPY???? I just wasn't sure if that makes a difference..BECAUSE even if working on the original & then save as a copy you then have the original back PLUS the edited copy...DOES THIS MAKE SENSE??? THANKS for the input!!!

Alisha


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October 08, 2005

 

Liza M. Franco
  Hi Alisha,

My habit is always to burn the originals to cd before I do anything. If I have the photos saved on the computer, I open the original, immediately make a duplicate and close out the original. I then make my adjustments on the copy and save the original and an adjusted copy to another cd.

I have done it as you described as the second way too, its just so easy to save the original by mistake when doing it that way. That's why I make a dup. and close out the original right away, unfortunately, I learned that lesson the hard way.


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October 08, 2005

 

Melissa L. Zavadil
  The reason why it is so important to make a copy of the actual original is because every time you open and close an image the image slowly deteriorates. So, it is best to always open the file copy the image close the original and then work on the copy. You also have that as a backup so if you end up not liking your work you can start over. But yes you DO need to copy your image before you do any manipulating in order to preserve the original and the quality.


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October 08, 2005

 

Liza M. Franco
  Melissa, very well said. That was where my train of thought was headed and some how the train made an early stop and never finished the thought. Too late at night for me to be giving advice I think:)


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October 08, 2005

 

Nicole Kessel
  Do you still lose quality from the original if you "save as" rather then "save for web"?


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October 08, 2005

 

Michelle Ross
  I pull my files from my memory card into a folder for each client . . .these are JPEG images in their original format and size. . . I never save again as a JPEG. . . I save as a TIFF with a different file name . . and put those into an edit folder in the client folder. .. and then if I need to work on any somemore it's in the tiff format rather than JPEG. .. and then if I end up not liking it at all I an go back to the original and start over! I also burn the originals and my edits to a CD "just in case" . . .but until my computer just jams up I like to keep everything on my hard drive as well for easier access. ..


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October 09, 2005

 
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  Open and closing has no effect. Opening and resaveing does.
"Save As" saves as a different file without resaveing and changing the original file. Handy if you want to save the same picture in a different folder, or something like you resized it for uploading, but don't want to change the name, you "save as" for a different folder but what you started with won't change it's original format.


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October 09, 2005

 

Carolina K. Smith
  Gregory is correct, and Melissa, who stated that "every time you open and close an image the image slowly deteriorates" is absolutely WRONG...

Additionally, you can open and SAVE a TIFF file as much as you want without any degradation to the file because TIFF is a lossless way of saving.

It is the lossy compression routines that lose information, hence your JPEG files will throw out some information every time it is SAVED (not just opened and closed).

A workflow you could use to have the best of all worlds for safety and sanity would be to shoot in RAW, make any changes with your raw processor desired, then save as a TIFF 16 bit file and make any further final changes/manipulations.

When you have that 'final' TIFF version that you are happy with, leave it alone, BUT, if you need a JPEG for any reason, then open up your 16bit TIFF file, change it to an 8bit file so you can SAVE AS A COPY and then when that is done, go back to your open 16bit (temporarily changed to 8bit) and choose NO to 'Save Changes?' so the TIFF reverts back to a 16bit file when you close the TIFF file. If you just close it and choose 'yes' to 'Save Changes', you will lose your 16bit capable file. (Ah, but then you would always have your RAW file to start all over again...)

In summary,

RAW > TIFF > JPEG if necessary, and you can open and close all you want without losing any information.

You can SAVE RAW and TIFF all you want without degrading the file

JPEGS will degrade with every 'SAVE'

Hope that clears up things.


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October 09, 2005

 

Carolina K. Smith
  Clarification on my above response:

If you need a JPEG file from a TIFF file, the reason you have to change it from 16bit to 8bit is that you can not save a 16bit TIFF file as a JPEG file;

it has to be saved from an 8bit TIFF file. Just make sure you don't permanently save your 8bit TIFF file (unless you don't care about losing the 16bit capability).


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October 09, 2005

 

Lili E. Miller
  Very very helpful...Thanks!


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October 09, 2005

 

Alisha L. Ekstrom
  Thanks for all your advice!! I appreciate the help!!!

Alisha


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October 10, 2005

 
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