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John Heaster
 

Can computer editing save this photo?


 
 
Hello,
I'm new this forum and hope I've have listed this post in the correct place.
This picture was taken an Canon EOS-3 with no flash. The lack of flash caused dark shadows on half of the subject. I was wondering how it could be fixed using photoshop or another such method.
Are there any other websites or forums with members that might be willing to help me? ALl suggestions are encouraged. This picture has great personal value to me and I would like to do every I can to perfect it.

Thanks,

John


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June 27, 2005

 

John Heaster
 
 
 
Here is the picture.


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June 27, 2005

 

John Heaster
 
 
 
I can't figure out how to link photos to postings. Anyways the picture is in my gallery saved as "1."

Sorry for the inconvenience


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June 27, 2005

 

Susan L. Vasquez
  Well isn't this fun :) You are asking for advice on the photo that I wanted advice from you on! It's been such a struggle for me to get nice photographs of my daughter swimming. If I use a flash I get hot spots, if I don't they're too dark. I'm shooting in the morning. Your shot looks like mid to late afternoon. Even with the shadows I think it is a fine portrait and I can see why it's important to you. (it's much better than mine!)
I'm not sure if I can fix what is bothering you but I'd love to try!
Email me if you'd like me to.


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June 27, 2005

 

John Rhodes
  John try "dodging" the dark areas. You'll find a Dodge tool along with a Burn tool on the photoshop toolbar. set the exposues to a relatively low value (15%) and try it out by simply brushing the tool through the dark areas. You probably won't be able to achieve the same degree of exposure as the left side of her face, but a little more exposure will do wonders. Best of luck.

VR

John


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June 27, 2005

 

Justin B. Renshaw
  I agree with John, as long as you don't mind the grain that dodging will leave behind. If it means so much to you why dont you retake it?


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June 27, 2005

 

Justin G.
  John, I don't know if you're good with Photoshop but cloning can go along way if you use it right. Also if you have a lot of time on your hands, since the body is symmetrical you could copy and paste from her left side to her right side. for example takes parts of her left shoulder and paste them on the right. with a little transforming and skewing you could have it lined up pretty well. maybe add in a few more water drops and "heal" out the moles to not make it obvious of what you did. this will take lots of time and even more patience but you could have an awesome photo once you get the underexposed fixed. Best of luck.


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June 27, 2005

 

Christopher A. Vedros
  If the original was a digital image, my answer to your question would be "maybe", and my recommendation would be dodging as John R. describes above.

The original in this case was a film negative. If the digital file was scanned from a print that has very dark shadows as we see here, then there is no detail in the shadows, and digital dodging won't bring out any detail.

If you bring the negative to a pro lab, they can probably do some dodging the old fashioned way, and bring out some detail in the shadows. Or they may be able to give you a high-resolution scan of the negative, then you could try to find detail using image software.

As for cloning -- I don't want to start another debate about the merits & limitations of the clone tool -- the last one got rather ugly. I don't think the clone tool is the answer here, though. The goal is just to bring a little detail into the shaded area, not eliminate the shadow completely.


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June 27, 2005

 

John Rhodes
  Chris, you're right as usual. I read right past the camera model; didn't even consider this to be a scanned film shot. I live in a totally digital world, so I wouldn't recognize a film camera if it bit me.

Thanks.

VR

John


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June 27, 2005

 

David Earls
  John,

Obviously the first thing to do is click on Image/Duplicate image and then work on the dup.

Another way to go here would be to use the Select/Color Range menu items to select the shadow areas, then try using curves or levels to see if you have any detail left in there. Set your Feather to something around 10 so that if you find detail in there you don't get posterized results - you might need a different setting for the feather on the eye area -

It's a great shot, and I'd be trying to fix it, too.

I don't think the Clone tool will get you where you want to be with this one - and I say that as a Clone tool guy -


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June 27, 2005

 

John Heaster
  I've decided that photoshop is the only way to go.
The first step is to acquire a high resolution scan from the negative. I do not have any photo labs capable of that in my area and I got rid of my film scanner last year in hopes of changing over to digital. What's the best way to get a high resoulution scan? Are there any reputable labs that I could send the negative into for a quick scan. Could a good optical scanner do the job. How much resolution and color depth would be ideal?
Once I get a better scan, I'm definitely going to give photoshop a shot, though I don't think I'm proficient enough to do a cloning job, enhancing shadow detail is within my ability.

Thank you for all your help.


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June 27, 2005

 

Justin G.
  John, keep in mind I have no life so me getting in photoshop and copying her left shoulder to the right side and playing would be just my way of doing because of lack of things to do here where i'm stationed. the more I think about it, the more impractical it would be for you (assuming you have a life!) i'm a pretty sarcastic guy if you can't tell. anyways ... I used to be stationed in delaware and my lab was Cutler Camera. they have a website, www.cutlercamera.net one of the stores is moving so sometimes its hard to get a hold of them but if you send them the negative they could scan it and send you the photo cd. just mention how high of quality you want, probably tell them the highest they can go.

Justin


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June 27, 2005

 

Lewis Kemper
  John once you have a good scan I would recommend trying the Shadow/Highlight tool in Photoshop CS/CS2 or making an adjustment layer (does not matter what kind) when the dialog box comes up just say ok do not make any changes to the settings. Then go to the Blend Modes on the layers palette and change it from Normal to Screen. That will make your whole image one stop lighter. Now go to Edit>Fill choose black. Now the image will look like the original because the black on the mask will hide the effect of the Screen adjustment layer. Now paint with white with a soft brush at around 25% opacity over the area you want to lighten. If you go too far switch the paint color to black. This will do a much better job of Dodging then the Dodge tool in Photoshop. (the Dodge tool is only suitable for Black and White and is very pixel destructive to color images)

To learn more about this and other great PS tips take my Photographer's Toolbox for Photoshop Toolbox #1 class! I will teach you how to make this image look great!


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June 27, 2005

 

Lewis Kemper
 
 
 
I hope you don't mind but I spent 5 minutes working from a screen shot of your image.

I will admit I did copy the left eye and put it on the right side to make it look even better. With a good scan there would be more detail in the shadow and not so much noise.

I hope you don't mind!


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June 27, 2005

 

Lewis Kemper
 
 
  john h photo
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Lewis Kemper

 
 
I hope you don't mind but I made a screen grab of your image and spent 5 minutes working on it. I used the blend mode tip I wrote about and then cut and pasted the left eye over the right and did some work with Curves and layer mask to blend it in. If there was a better scan there would not be all the noise in the shadows.

I hope that was ok with you!


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