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Wayne Nolting
 

IR Filters and theDigital Rebel


 
 
A camera shop told me that the Digital Rebel would not be able to record Infrared images because of a "hot mirror" on the sensor.

I tried an experiment that I duplicated and documented the results on my camera club web site at www.centralctcameraclub.org which seems to disprove this theory.

I then followed the suggestion from Tony Sweet from Better Photo to try a Hoya R72 and was able to record an image but it had a lot of red.

I can remove the color and have it look like a real infrared.

Since the Hoya R72 lets in too much red, what variant of IR filter should I lean towards?

I am still experimenting had the camera on manual, "Bulb", exposed the image for about 123 seconds. AV was 11, and ISO 100. Any suggestions from anyone?

Pictures are attached in support of my comments. They were taken through a window as a "rough test"


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October 24, 2004

 

Jon Close
  I believe the Canon DSLRs can record infrared. I have no idea what the camera shop employee meant by "hot mirror." It sounds like nonsense to me. There is a "low pass" or "anti-alias" filter over the sensor, but this is to smooth pixelation and lessen moire. I don't think it has any affect on sensitivity to IR or other wavelengths.

The camera is going to record in color only. If you want a black & white IR photo you have to do it in editing. A Yahoo! search turned up this thread in another message board giving a routine for IR editing:


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October 24, 2004

 

Jon Close
  P.S.
Visible red wavelengths extend to about 700nm. Infrared wavelengths are from about 700nm to 1200nm. The R72 passes wavelengths of 720nm and longer. You may get less red with Hoya's R90, which passes wavelengths longer than 900nm.

I'm not sure, but I suspect that even with the R90 the DSLR will still capture these as deep red and you'll still need to edit the image to make it black & white.


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October 24, 2004

 

Mary Yetter
  Hi Wayne,

I looked at your image on the camera club website. What steps did you take to remove the red from the original image? I just got a Hoya r72 fitler, and also have the digital Rebel, and I see exactly what you mean about too much red.

I have adobe elements 3.0...

Thanks for your help,
Mary


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January 08, 2005

 

Wayne Nolting
  Hi Mary:

I used the Hoya R72 filter.

I did discover that a well sunlit scene produces better details (stronger IR reflections) but can also wash out so I took images at 1 second increments.

I then picked out the image which seemed to have the most amount of detail and removed the color with PSE2. Some minor brightness and contrast adjustments were applied to bring out detail and I also selected some areas that were too bright and adjusted the intensity.

There are 2 IR images on my gallery: the "Land of Souls" which was taken in a historic cemetery in Hartford, CT, and "Lost in Time" which is an abandoned house I found In Granby, CT. I applied the same adjustments to this second image and added a light blue tint with PSE2.


Hope that helps....Wayne


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January 08, 2005

 

Mary Yetter
  Wayne, thanks so much for your speedy response.. Once the sun comes out here, in Missoula, I will be able to give it a whirl.. Thanks again!


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January 08, 2005

 

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Wayne, I also have a Digital Rebel and am glad I found this out. I looked at your picture and it was really nice. I liked the detail that came through. I have been trying numerous PS filters to get a good IR effect and have not come across one that has looked as nice as a true IR image. Does anyone know of any really good IR filter or action that can produce an image that looks like a true IR image??? Here are a couple of images I've used IR filters or actions on.


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