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Ariel Lepor
 

Graduated ND filter


 
 
I'm just starting out with sunset photography and I'm having a little trouble with the lighting, seeing as the sky is so much brighter than the foreground. I tried merging photos with different exposure into HDRs but I'm not really satisfied with the results (the attached image is about the best I can do, which is not nearly as good as some photos I've seen).

I'm wondering if it would be better to get the photos right in-camera with some P Cokin graduated ND filters?

And I'm also a little confused about what I need to buy to get a p cokin filter working with the camera (which is 55mm threaded). Is it the 55mm P455 adapter ring, plus the "Cokin ND Graduated Filter Kit P Series" that comes with some different graduated nd filters and a filter holder?


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January 13, 2009

 

Ariel Lepor
 
 
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January 13, 2009

 
- Ken Smith

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  I've used the Singh-Ray graduated ND filters for the cokin mount...mostly the 3-stop soft one. I'm actually lazy and hand-hold it in front of the lens. If you're unsure of what to buy, can you take your camera into a reputable camera store and take a look?


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January 13, 2009

 
- Carlton Ward

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Hello Ariel,
I would try a circular polarizer. What were your exposure intervals for this HDR image ? It doesn't appear to vary as much as it may have needed.
I use the HDRSoft program PhotoMatix and with its tonemapping tool - does a great job with HDR. I usually under expose by 2 stops, 1 stop, expose then over expose by 1 stop then 2 stops. This gives me 5 images and a great range to work with for HDR images.
I have a few posted on my sites.
Cheers - Carlton


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Ariel Lepor
  Circular polarizers don't help much at all.

And I did use have several different exposures to make sure that each part of the image was properly lit in at least one photo.


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- Carlton Ward

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Here is another HDR using 3 images. No ND or CP filter was used - just PhotoMatix.


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Ariel Lepor
  Then I will look into PhotoMatix. :)


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- Carlton Ward

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  Hi Ariel,
HDRSoft.com will let you download a trial version of PhotoMatix. Its pretty easy to use and the tonemapping tool can alter the image from slight adjustments to extremes. Check it out, I think you'll like it.
Have fun - Carlton


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Here's the result from PhotoMatix. I think the results are better but not perfect, but maybe I need to learn the program more.


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- Carlton Ward

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  Cool Ariel, You can definitly see more detail in the foreground rocks. The tonemapping tool takes a little experimentation time but its fun to play with.
Carlton


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Ariel Lepor
  Yeah, I'll keep working on it. Thanks


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- Ken Smith

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  I also use Photomatix and it's great...with a RAW image, you can do several versions at different exposure settings and combine...but you should still consider the Graduated ND filter, as it's more technically "in-camera." You can still do Photomatix even if your original exposure used G-ND filter.


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January 13, 2009

 

Ariel Lepor
  Ok, so you think it'd be worth it to get a gnd filter?


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January 13, 2009

 

Pete H
  "And I'm also a little confused about what I need to buy to get a p cokin filter working with the camera"

Arial,

Other than working with HDR, GND filters you will see can save the day if you know how and when to employ them.

A sunset over the ocean is a good subject when a GND filter should NOT be used.
This scenario shows a very obvious demarcation between sky & water.
Shoot two shots; one for the sky and one for the water..sandwich the two shots and erase away either the over exposed shot or the underexposed shot; depending of course which is on top in the layer stack.
If the latitude in exposure between ocean & sky does not exceed two or three stops, you might get away with one shot, mask off one area and use levels to equalize the image.

Exposure stop variance is dependent on time of day as well as subject matter.

GND's come not only is 2,3,4,5 stop range etc, but soft to hard transitions based often on a percentage scale.

Trees on a horizon line are much more difficult to expose with the sandwich method as there is no sharp demarcation. Masking is difficult unless you want to tackle vectors.

GND's take a lot of practice to use properly.
Some of the thought that goes into weather to use a GND or not will be:

Subject matter
Stop difference (# of elements)
Hard or soft transition

While I've had some fun with HDR, I've not found the results too natural looking.


All the best,

Pete


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January 13, 2009

 

Bob Cammarata
  When using GND filters, first meter the darker portion of the scene without the filter attached.
Then re-compose and align the filter to mask the portion of the scene that will over-expose.


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January 13, 2009

 

Ariel Lepor
  Makes sense.


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