Uploaded: December 21, 2004


Shot with 17-40L. Processed in CS and applied Old BW filter. Burned corner and sides of image to provide a pinhole camera effect.


David Stearn December 21, 2004

I am having fun with BW. Comments? #198231

Protacio Serna December 21, 2004

I like the picture, but not sure about the post-processing.

This one looks more like a duotone image, kind of a sepia print. I personally don’t like sepia images, but lets put that aside and talk about the burning.

In this image the burned zones are quite obvious and they don’t blend properly with the rest of the image.

I’m not good doing burning in PS, but I want to suggest the use of a duplicate layer, adjust the levels in the new layer to get the light that you want and then apply a mask with an elliptical gradient that will let the original layer show up.

Protacio Serna

Karma Wilson December 22, 2004

Very cool shot. Excellent comp! I think it could be made even better.

Try this: First of all if you don't have virtual photographer go get it now. It's a free filter and it's a necessity in my opinion. Also Zero is another free filter program. I don't use it as much as VP but it has a great vignette effect that will give you the pinhole effect with some specific control, but won't look so much like burning. I do almost no editing that doesn't require VP to some degree or another. It's great.

In VP you have more control over your B/W images and it's all very convenient. I suggest you get in there and run all the presets on it. There's one called old newspaper that would be a good one to start with. But once you run a preset play with all the sliders. You'll be amazed at what can be done. I would manually distress the photo as well--put on some scratches etc...maybe even add a bit of noise. And even though this is supposed to be old the contrast is a bit too flat I think--try pumping it up just a tad.

Good luck! Keep us posted.

Karma #992712

David Stearn December 23, 2004

Thanks for the advice Karma. Unfortunately, VP does not work on Macs. Since it is a PS plugin I would have thought the the author could have developed a downloadable version for Mac users.

I have Nik Efex Pro which has similar stylizing features. I need to start using the options more and I will repost later.

Dave #993663

Protacio Serna December 23, 2004

Do you mind posting the original image...in color?

PSerna #993664

David Stearn December 23, 2004

Here is the original. Please respect my copyright and do not download or process any of my images.


David Stearn December 23, 2004

Sorry I am still trying to get used to the process of posting images. I have added the origiinal to my gallery.



Protacio Serna December 23, 2004

You don’t have to worry about copyright issues with me David.

I’m a photographer. I do take pictures to express myself; therefore there is no need to use your phrases to assemble my speech.

The reason why I wanted to see the original was because I had the feeling that the original color image instead of improving by the process was being hurt.

But hey…these are your images…it is your choice.

I ‘m no longer interested in the original. Thanks anyway.

Protacio Serna

David Stearn December 23, 2004

What phrases are you referring to? Also, you did download one of my images on a previous thread and processed it after posting in your gallery. You should have asked permission first as a courtesy. That is why I mentioned not to download or process my images.

Dave #994042

Protacio Serna December 23, 2004

I do not own a gallery in BetterPhoto, so don't worry about that image. It is not in my gallery.

I assume that you are talking about the one that I cropped? I put your name in the image saying that the credit is yours. And there is also a note saying that the image is yours.

Mea culpa

Protacio Serna

David Stearn December 23, 2004


You should always ask permission first before using someones image. When you posted the revised version on Betterphoto it now has two copyrights, yours is on the thumbnail and mine which you added is on the image.

If you had someone downloading images from your website I would assume you would expect the same courtesy.

Dave #994084

Protacio Serna December 23, 2004

We can debate about the pictures possession and we won’t get anywhere especially because our perspective is completely different about photography.

Before I go any further I want to publicly offer my apologies to you for cropping the image without your permission.

Along with that I need to express why I did it. I’m not going to talk about the quality of the picture since that is out of the question, but the cropping need was quite obvious.

After I suggested you tried something but I couldn’t see it since you removed the original and the cropped one, but left a message asking for opinions about which one was better…but no images anywhere.

Then I made the mistake.

Now…about the picture downloading.

If anyone is interested in taking a picture from my website, I will be pleased. My goal about photography is to show my vision, and if my vision ends up as a wallpaper in an unknown person’s screen, that will become my success.

Sometimes I call my work: “speech”…and a speech is made of phrases…and every picture to me is a phrase I use to tell what I think, what I feel, or what I need. If anyone grabs a picture from my website…I won’t get paranoid…I will be more than happy.

Protacio Serna
www.pserna.com #994124

Dorothy Neumann December 25, 2004

David, I understand your concern about people downloading your images and using them themselves. Usually it's hard to do this from this site...however, I managed to snag one of my own as an experiment. Rest assured, when I tried to enlarge it, it was totally pixilated and could never be marketed. Some photographers watermark their images or place their name somewhere inobtrusive in their image...but I don't really feel it's necessary. #995545

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