Fraser Sunrise
Uploaded: April 25, 2002 03:56:10
Velvia - 2 stop Singh-Ray soft edge ND Grad to balance sky with water.
Piper Lehman April 25, 2002
Absolutely gorgeous, Mark. Not only a terrific sky, but a dynamic silhoette and reflections to boot! Nice, nice, nice! #5086Adam Bolt April 25, 2002
Agreed, this is a cut above your average Sunset/Sunrise. Awesome work Mark.Mark English April 25, 2002
Adam,Thanks for your kind words, also thanks to Piper #7292
Debbie Groff May 10, 2002
I dream of taking a picture as beautiful as this someday. I mean I wake up thinking about and go to sleep thinking about it. So beautiful. That moon really makes the serene mood come to life! #7813Mark English May 10, 2002
Paul & Debbie:Carlos E. Rentas May 13, 2002
Mark,First...Congratulations! Definitely a step way above your normal sunrise/sunset pictures.
Second...in your description you mention '2 stop Singh-Ray soft edge ND Grad to balance sky with water'...what does it all translate to? What's ND Grad? Stopped up or down?
Thanks, Carlos
#7957
Piper Lehman May 13, 2002
Carlos, I think Mark was saying that he used a 2-stop ND (neutral density) grad (graduated) filter for this. (Singh-Ray is just the brand name, by the way.) A two stop graduated ND will bring the two exposure extremes of your scene to a closer medium, hence a correct exposure all around. Had he not used the filter, he would have to choose between a great sky and a silhouetted lake or a beautiful body of water with a burnt-out sky. You notice the mountains are silhouetted. These were just too dark for even the 2-stop medium. He was also using Velvia (a slide film with an ISO of 25 or some such number), which has a narrower exposure lattitude than print film anyway. Short story is that if you have two exposure extremes in your scene, your camera cannot reach that far both ways, so the ND grad helps the camera see the two extremes as merely two exposures within its reach. Hope this helps.P.S. Sorry to answer your question to Mark, but the link popped up in my e-mail, and I thought I'd give it a whirl. #7958
Mark English May 13, 2002
Carlos,Piper Lehman May 13, 2002
Well, I guess you can tell I don't use Velvia very often...Why do you think Fuji hasn't just changed the ISO of Velvia to 40 since so many photogs set it at 40, Mark? I notice this coming up a lot. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who uses it at ISO 50.
I'm a print film user at the moment. Can't quite convince myself to make the switch to slide film, though I know the change is inevitable if I ever want to sell my work. How do you get over that shock of having to either project your work or view it with a loupe and a light table? I guess I like the convenience of thumbing through 3x5 prints before scanning. Something about being able to hold your work in your hands and seeing it without the aid of magnification.
I would appreciate any nudging you can give me, plus any pros you can think of for using slides. #7966
Mark English May 14, 2002
>>Why do you think Fuji hasn't just changed the ISO of Velvia to 40 since so many photogs set it at 40, Mark? I notice this coming up a lot. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who uses it at ISO 50<<Can't say for sure... but film ISO ratings are based on carefully designed and executed laboratory tests based on standards set out by the ANSI/ISO. Trouble is we don't take pictures under laboratory conditions. We take pictures under real world conditions and of real world subjects. Back in Kodachrome's heyday, most if not all shot K64 at EI80... because the 'chromes looked better that way.
The label is never gospel, only a guideline.
If you're serious about your photography, and I know you are... then you really owe it to yourself to switch to slide film. It has less to do with selling your work than learning to deal with exposure and colour temperature issues. Print film will mask some pretty serious errors in both these areas. Photography is atleast equal parts Art and Craft. Both of these are essential to becoming the best you can be. Art with out the discipline of craft is just so many fuzzy ideas poorly presented.
Using slide film provides far more
immediate feedback to help you master this aspect of your craft.
As to "holding your work in your hands"... how ablut holding the actual piece of film you exposed, in your hands?;-) #7969
Cheryl Meisel May 16, 2002
Very pretty Congrats! Cheryl #8029Damian P. Gadal July 30, 2002
Very nice, the sliver of moon really makes this shot! #10355Carolyn J. Connolly October 01, 2004
Very pretty shot, Mark - just wonderful colours! :~) #815818C A July 31, 2007
Congratulations on your second place. I just found your photo. Like the colours. Velvia likes colours :-) But I would have preffered a little bit more water at the bottom. The filter did a good job, so did you. Best wishes from holland, Corné #4583097Mark English July 31, 2007
Corne,That's all the water taht was there... it was taken from a river bank, and to include mmore foreground woud have meant including river bank. Getting lower and closer would have changes th perspective, ie. the relation ship between foreground and background elements. As Susan Sontag wrote, "The painter constructs, the photographer discloses". In other words we can only work with what's in front of us.
Thanks. #4583456
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