 Lisa M. Austin |
Wedding Shoot: Videographer Vs. Photographer I did a wedding last weekend, where there was also a videographer. She called me up yesterday, wanting about four of MY photos that I took during the same wedding - so she can put on her dvd and dvd cover. I've never done this before. Is this normal for a videographer to ask of a photographer? She wants me to email them to her. Please advise. Thanks!
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Michelle Ross |
Well ... I wouldn't think of it being normal for you to just "hand over" the files. She is going to be selling this DVD to this couple, so you should also get a "cut" for this because if she uses those 4 photos, that might result in a loss of 4 photos sold to the couple. How did she know what your photos even looked like??
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Howard Greenberg |
From a business point of view, I suggest just handing them to her. She is in the position to recommend you and you can recommend her. I would give her the pix and some business cards and samples and ask her to share them with her future customers who need a photographer. Ask her for her cards and maybe a sample dvd. I am not a wedding photographer but I am a businessperson! Maybe things are different in the wedding world (I try to stay away from that in more ways than photography!) Howard
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Kerry L. Walker |
If a videographer asks for a few pictures, give them to him/her. Same for the DJ, caterer, other vendors. Send along business cards and ask them to refer you. These few pictures could be worth a lot of money in future references.
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Maria Melnyk |
I don't know if I totally agree with Howard & Kerry's responses. Just "giving them to her" is not the same as giving some to the florist and caterer. It sounds like she wants to use your work to enhance her product. Why can't she use frames from her video? The only time I've seen this done is when both the photographer and videographer are from the same studio. She should have also said that she was going to give you credit for them (i.e. put your name on the cover with the pictures). Then I'd say OK. So, if you want to do this, tell her to put your name on the cover as well. Even when given pictures to florists and caterers your name should be on the photos. Then, do ask for referrals.
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Tamara Lynn |
print them yourself for the size she wants and put a name courtesy in small print(like in the wedding magazines) at the bottom right corner PhotoBy: Blah Blah Don't give her any cd's or DVD's, thats your work until its bought out
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Lisa M. Austin |
Great suggestions. I appreciate it. Let me tell you what happened. The bride called me yesterday just to touch base with me. I told her I had a chance to look at her photos and that she is just going to love them! She was thrilled. I then asked if she spoke to the videographer and she said no. I explained to her that she wanted four of my pics so she could put them on her dvd and dvd cover. The bride said "absolutely not!" ... that if she wants or wanted photos she'll have to pay for them or she should have done that herself because that's what I paid her for... YIKES. I don't want ill feelings toward me from the videographer...but I am really not sure if she liked me anyway. She was telling me where I could and couldn't stand...because of this and that. Well, my reaction on my face wasn't too happy with her requests and then I asked "how am I suppose to take pictures of the bride and groom? The bride isn't going to be very happy with this at all!" Nothing else was said. Not only that, she didn't leave my side when I took the formal pics. I actually had to ask her to move because I stood to the side waiting for her to do her thing. hmmmmmmm.... Oh well. I haven't heard from the videographer and if I do maybe clicktyClick's suggestion is a good one. Print them myself! Thanks for your input - more is always welcome.
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Maria Melnyk |
Gosh, Lisa, this videographer doesn't sound very professional. I'm not saying that video should be secondary to the pictures, but normally the photographer stands where he or she needs to be, and the videographer takes the second best position. Well, then, go with what the bride says. She probably doesn't like the videographer either. Clickety-click's suggestion is good too. So I don't know what I would do. But really, videographers I've worked with always used their own images for video and DVD covers.
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Lisa M. Austin |
Thank you, also, Maria for your input. P.S. The videographer probably won't recommend me to anyone now...
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Michelle Ross |
Lisa. . . What if you called another videographer in the area and just asked them some questions about how they get the photos for their covers and stuff? and then explain the situation to one of them and see if they think this is "normal"? Or maybe even visit with the videographer themselves and ask/inquire as nicely as possible about why they are wanting your images when they have their footage they can use. . . I guess I just don't feel it's normal for someone to ask this of you not being from the same company. But even still I would certainly make sure that you got your credit for it and I'm glad your bride is aware of the situation. Good Luck and let us know what happens!
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Lisa M. Austin |
Thank you for your kind words, Michelle. I will keep you posted.
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Kerry L. Walker |
My previous response is what I would do out of professional courtesy. However, the videographer sounds neither professional nor courteous so I would say if she wanted copies of the pictures, she could buy them - if I even let her have them at all.
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Michelle Ross |
I agree Kerry .. . I just think everyone should get due credit and my first hunch was that this videographer was wanting to not do that . . . In my mind I wouldn't ever even ask someone to use their work without offering to compensate to begin with. Then at least the photographer felt like she could say that's okay you refer me and I will refer you, etc.
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Lisa M. Austin |
Update: She called today: was wanting to know when I can get the pictures... hmmmm...the bride specifically said she couldn't have them. I absolutely hate confrontation and things like this. I haven't called her back yet.
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Maria Melnyk |
Somebody help Lisa quick!! I don't know what else to suggest. Just one thing, though, and I hope others will agree with me. The bride is your client, so listen to her. Offer to sell them to the videographer, but that doesn't mean you're selling her your rights to the photographs. She should still put your name on them, or else do that yourself; just make sure she doesn't crop it out! If she gets upset, that confirms the notion that she is not acting professionally. Good luck, and please let us know what transpires.
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Kerry L. Walker |
Just tell her the bride said no.
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Lisa M. Austin |
that's what I'll do...thanks everyone
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Lisa M. Austin |
I contacted the bride again; she doesn't want the videographer to be upset with her, so this is what I did. I left a message stating I can't give out photograph's until the client sees them. I told her I felt uncomfortable about doing this and that no one has ever asked this of me. I'll keep you posted.
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Kerry L. Walker |
That is a good move. However, you should tell the bride not to worry whether the videographer is upset with her. Both you and the videographer should be concerned with pleasing the bride. IF the DVD is for the bride and IF the bride likes the idea, then work something out with the videographer. If it is for some other purpose (advertising for the videographer, etc.) and the bride is agreeable, then make a deal with the videographer for a certain price for a certain run of covers. If this is the use, the bride should also receive some sort of compensation for the use of her images (from the videographer, either directly or through you). If the videographer had been more professional and courteous, I would take a different approach.
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Tamara Lynn |
Ive seen stills from videographers and they would be fine for CD covers. I love it when the videographer tells you were you can and can't go (I just grin) and tell them, "but I want to be in your movie"
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Jerry Frazier |
No, no, no. Keep the bride out of it. You need to discuss this, and have a fist fight if you need to, with the video person. Deosn't matter, don't involve the bride. Now, she's smack in the middle of her vendors fighting. Very unprofessional. She should have no knowledge of this. Here's what I would do. Figure out who the video person is. Call them and offer some pics for some video. You want the video because you want to create a clide show mixing video in with the stills you took. If they give you that, then you'll give them some of your images. You will hear silence, and probably a hang up. In business, it has to work both ways, and video people never seem to see that side of it. They want stuff, but they don't want to do anything for it.
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Tamara Lynn |
well Joe, you have definitely taken the place of Jerry. You know what your talking about and you put in a nice light. I only give other vendors stuff if I like them and consult the bride first, even if I have the contract that gives me the right to do anything I want with them, no surprises. I use to see alot of videographers, but these days maybe 1 every 10 weddings. Now they're trying to ride in on our packages, forget it. So some of them are starting to become photogrpahers.
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Lisa M. Austin |
Well guys...what a mess! This has made me so stressed. After sending the vidographer an email about not wanting to give any photos out until the bride sees them didn't go over too well. SHE called the bride and was very aggressive about wanting images from me. The bride called me back, left a message, and couldn't believe how aggressive she was being. The bride told me she was NOT in a hurry to see her video (that was the videographer's excuse to get the photos - "the video has been complete for a week now and the bride is anxious to have/see her video" - bride said to me not true. Well, this is what I did - deep sigh. Rushed through about 25 pics from out of 300 (!) and put them on a dvd (hehe) with music. The bride just loved it!!!!!! WE picked out a photograph for the videographer and I'll email it to her today. deep sigh....
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