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Photography Question 
Nancy S. Berman
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 4/17/2008
  31 .  How to Print a Cropped Photo
I would like to know how to enlarge a cropped photo without losing resolution/clarity. I am not happy with the results I get in Photoshop.

2/14/2012 6:32:26 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
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member since: 10/3/2005
  Good luck. Any time you are up-sizing a photo, you're having the software invent pixels to fill in. There are various third party programs you can buy, and you can try PS as well. You may want to try upsizing in small steps... a 10% increase, followed by another 10%, then another 10%. The whole time, you're gradually degrading the image with the "invented" pixels. So some clarity loss will always be the norm, depending on A) how small the source image is, and B) how sharp the source image was, to begin with.
Do you not have access to the uncropped original file?

2/14/2012 8:31:33 AM

Bob Cammarata
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member since: 7/17/2003
  Enlarging optically (...with the lens vs. with software) has always proven to be the most technically efficient way to get the most bang for the buck, especially when printing. With this process, we are utilizing the entire sensor and all of its pixels.
Sure, we all crop to enlarge our images, but we accept the compromise that we are utilizing a smaller portion of our available pixels.
To try to enlarge and print an already digitally enlarged (cropped) image exponentially increases the probability of image degradation.

2/15/2012 9:09:24 AM

  If you want to print it, find a print shop that has a good rip program and have them print it for you. Don't enlarge it yourself if you do this. Just crop it and supply them the file.

2/16/2012 2:04:37 PM

Greg McCroskery
BetterPhoto Member
imagismphotos.com

member since: 2/27/2003
  Nancy,

First, I'm assuming you are talking about doing prints from such files, although your question doesn't state that.

There are many unknowns in your question, which make answering difficult -- e.g. What size and resolution is your cropped image, what size print are you making, how much cropping was done from the original image, was the original exposure good, and how much digital noise was in the original image?

All of these factors will affect the quality of prints. I have printed many enlargements from digital files that have been up-sized in Photoshop using 'Bicubic' resampling with outstanding results. However, if I start with a greatly cropped image, or one that is lacking is sharpness, exposure, or has a substantial amount of noise to start with, the results are not going to be very good.

Make sure all of the factors mentioned above are not issues, and you really should not have any problems.

God Bless,
Greg

2/21/2012 8:38:46 AM

Marsh 

member since: 5/17/2003
  This sounds really off, but I always print importing my pics thru Pagemaker 6.5. And it works. I can double the size of a jpg without losing any resolution.

2/21/2012 9:52:48 AM

Bruce A. Dart

member since: 1/7/2007
  Some good information here but some key info missing: if you crop an image prior to enlarging it, ESPECIALLY WITH THE "RESAMPLE IMAGE BOX CHECKED, the computer will throw out data from your file and make it a smaller file. If you then enlarge it, pixels are spread apart and the image quality suffers. If you then try to make it larger in one step, the image also suffers as they computer grabs pixels from farther away to try to fill gaps. Enlarging an image 10% at a time (going to image size and changing the document size in inches to percent and making the new size 110%, i.e. 10 % more) will give you a larger file with any image with pixels from close by and thereby giving a much better rendition. You can do this about 4 times to get a decent sized image. If in your resizing/cropping you don't "Resample Image" you will retain your original file size.

2/21/2012 5:22:45 PM

  Hi Nancy
Here is a link to a video on one way to enlarge without too much loss. The 110% Bruce is talking about. For best results always enlarge before cropping. Hope this helps as it has worked well for me.

http://tips.watchandlearnphotoshop.com/pstips/0408upsizing.html

2/21/2012 7:52:37 PM

  I used to use the 110% stepping system with earlier versions of PhotoShop but in recent years I tested enlarging in incremental steps versus one large step. I found that there wasn't enough difference to bother with incremental stepping. That's my experience and it's obviously different from some others here. I suggest doing a quick test of your own and check the results. I was resizing images to 24 x 36 for my comparison.

2/22/2012 10:49:46 AM

Bruce A. Dart

member since: 1/7/2007
  There are sooo many things in photography that the answer is.. "it depends,"and I always get a kick out of answers that come back so definitive and absolute. There is an exception to just about any rule of photography and there will always be something that will work in one case or another that is generally contrary to anything we have learned! LOl. Back to the original question...cropping in Photoshop is not the problem but perhaps the order (as has been suggested) or how you are doing that. In your workflow, always work with a copy or duplicate file so that, if necessary, you can revert back to the original file and the maximum quality that you started with. Obviously, I can get the best resolution from original files with my Nikon D300 that give me a 34.9 meg file. If I crop that to 8x12, I get a 24.7 meg file and I've lost nearly 1/3 of the data that I started with. Doesn't mean I can't get a good print or that I shouldn't or can't crop it. Just know what you get. Crop a part of the original to 5x7 and now it is a 9 meg file. Of course it depends on how much cropping you are doing, what the final size is and how you get there. You can easily make 24x36 prints from a variety of file sizes and get good results. However, if you take a 35 meg file and crop it to 9 meg and then try to make a big enlargement, you WILL notice a difference. Pagemaker is a publishing program that is no longer being manufactured. It has been replaced by InDesign. While you can get some good results with it, it was not designed to do the things Photoshop will do and I would not use it as the FIRST way to make a print.

2/22/2012 2:10:27 PM

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Photography Question 
Di Kerpan
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/14/2010
  32 .  Please critique!!
 
  woman, old street, & snow
woman, old street, & snow
© Di Kerpan
Nikon D40x Digital...
 
I'm trying to learn how to combine separate images of people and landscapes. How can I improve this photo? There are currently 3 images: the street, the woman, and the snow. Does she need a shadow? Is her proportion off? Does the light in upper left conflict with the light on her back?? Are there obvious corrections you could suggest to make this scene more believable? I'm grateful for any feedback!!
Thx!! ~Di

1/25/2012 8:53:14 AM

  I am suprised that there hasn't been a reply to date. I can't do these things so I didn't reply earlier.

I is snowing so there aren't any shadows since it is daytime. Her proportions look as if the photo was taken with a lens between 35-50mm on a full frame camera and are fine. I didn't notice the light in the upper left until you mentioned it. But you may be downgraded by an instructor if this is for a class.

I am happy with what I see so have no suggestions. For that matter I thought it was as taken when I first saw it.

2/6/2012 10:47:25 AM

  I love it, myself..If the light on the upper left bothers you, couldn't you clone in some extra building in the darker color? I doubt if anybody could even tell you did that if you are careful. I did notice the light, and it probably will bother some people more than it does me (and Lynn).

2/6/2012 3:14:41 PM

  Di, you have a pleasing concept going, and the proportions look OK to me.

Two things catch my eye: (1) the light on the building is flat but isn't flat on her, and there's nothing in the frame to explain this. Bringing down the bright white on her coat might make this less obvious.

And (2) since it's snowing, how come she isn't wearing gloves? (Painting the hand black, perhaps?)

Kay, from the Great White North

2/6/2012 3:35:51 PM

Di Kerpan
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/14/2010
  Thank you Kay, Carolyn, and Lynn! I so appreciate the helpful feedback. Lighting (and gloves) :) I'm on it.....

2/6/2012 4:49:52 PM

  I don't think that gloves are really necessary. I go outside without gloves all of the time and we have real winter here.

The composition of the photo is fine and you did a good job combining the elements.

You wondered about the overexposed upper left corner. To me that is distracting. If I cover the top part of the photo my eye focuses the girl and then travels to the building. But when looking at the whole picture my eye skims past the girl and goes to the light corner.

If this were my picture I'd try to correct the distraction. I might crop the top or more likely I'd darken that corner.

On another layer drag a dark gradient, then try the various blend functions to see which one works best with this image. (Probably multiply.) Lower the opaciticy of the blend layer until you get the look you like. After blending I often experiment with the hue/saturation sliders to adjust the color if necessary.

Good luck Di.

2/7/2012 7:12:55 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
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member since: 10/3/2005
  I think this is a pretty good blending/compositing job, actually.

My main observation is that she is strongly lit from somewhere behind her right shoulder, out of frame. (So the left side of her body/coat/hat is clearly darker.) Yet that lighting direction on her, seems to conflict with the sun hitting the building, which appears to be coming from above and somewhat in front of her. Maybe she's walking in front of a virtual car's headlights, and thus this lighting combination would be logical... it just struck me a little "off" somehow; I'd expect her overall lighting to more or less match the "shaded" face of the building, if she's in an alley or between buildings; she's too low to probably get direct sunlight, judging by the light hitting the building above the 1st floor windows.

The only other comment is that her pose/capture seems somewhat stiff, if you were going for a mid-stride/walking image?

But I think overall, blending wise, this is a pretty good job of making it not feel "obviously" composited!

2/8/2012 7:07:21 AM

Di Kerpan
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 1/14/2010
  Christopher and Irene, your input is so helpful!! The woman's posture is definitely "off" for this image....not really walking, not really standing... I have other shots that could work better. And the PS steps for correcting lighting are priceless to me, Irene, Thank you both. I'm learning a lot!!

2/8/2012 3:26:39 PM

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Photography Question 
Sherry L. Levasseur

member since: 5/4/2011
  33 .  Upload problems
 
I'm uploading pics of the same size as my previous uploads, but some are blank and some are postage-stamp size (not the same as my previous uploads). Is there a problem with the uploader?

1/23/2012 11:38:39 AM

  If the original image was cropped it will be smaller than the others.

Aside from that if they were taken with the same camera, I dunno.


Lynn

1/23/2012 12:34:14 PM

 
 
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sfall10 0078
sfall10 0078
f/22, 0.8s, 24mm, ISO100, tripod
 
 
Hi Sherry,
Save a copy of the image as a jpeg and Photoshop Cntrl+I (size) to 400x600 and re-save - this should work.
My process is to process the raw image & save as .tif. Then I open the tif and resize to 800x1200 (400 x 600 will suffice) and save it again as jpg into a different folder (Better Photo pics) on my desktop and then upload the images from that folder. This way, all of my BP images are in the same place and sized for posting on the web and BP site.
I keep the raw & large .tifs in their original folder for further editing if/when I feel the need to work on them. There are lots of organizational methods and I also name my images like SilverFalls_0022.tif and when I resize & save it in the Desktop folder it gets assigned an "x" (SilverFalls_0022x.jpg) to signify its a small image for posting on the web :)
BTW - have you been to Silver Falls ?
Cheers,
Carlton

1/23/2012 10:12:16 PM

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Photography Question 
Barbara M. Budzinski
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member since: 8/29/2011
  34 .  Basic Portfolio Picture Description
Hello,
I am new to BP...signed up just last month and still have some issues with my Basic Portfolio. Is it me or some BP tricks. I don't understand why my picture description is visible in the old version but it's not in the new one. I sent this question to BP but....no answer.
I appreciate your help, looking forward to learn from the BP community. You guys are amazing !!!!
Barbara

1/17/2012 9:16:50 AM

  I don't understand it either, Barbara, and I've been around awhile. The date of upload also shows in the old version as long as you put a description of some kind in when you do the upload, but it does not show anywhere in the new version. It's nice to have a choice of versions. Some of us prefer the old version, some like the new.

1/18/2012 10:34:06 PM

  There is a box where you can either display or choose not to display your descriptions if you go to:
Basic Betterpholio Admin Center

1/20/2012 9:52:38 AM

  Thanks, Jessica. Since I don't use it, I'd never fully investigated the possibilities -- just noticed that many images I view there have no description showing. I'm sure some do have them and I'd not noticed that, either.

1/20/2012 10:26:36 AM

  Jessica and Nikki,
Thanks for your answer. I already resolved this big puzzle. It's true , in Basic Membership there is a possibility "Turn Show Photo Description" ......but what is very interesting and unusual you need to select "OFF" not "ON".......for me it's very weird, it's should be reverse. But anyway, thanks one more time for your help.

1/20/2012 12:46:50 PM

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Photography Question 
FERNANDA KINGSLEY-THOMAS
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 12/27/2010
  35 .  HOW TO REPLACE WASHED OUT SKIES
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I CAN IMPROVE PICTURES THAT HAVE A NICE COLOUR BUT WASHED OUT SKIES. IN CAMERA RAW I CAN IMPROVE IT USING HSL IF THERE IS A BIT OF BLUE IN THE SKY. SOMETIMES EVEN SHOOTING IN RAW I GOT COMPLETELY WASHED OUT SKIES AND USING HSL MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I TRIED TO FOLLOW SOME STEPS USING PHOTOSHOP CS5 TO REPLACE THE SKY BUT I COULD NOT DO IT. I NEED SOME BASIC STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS. IF ANY MEMBERS CAN HELP I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL AS I HAVE MANY NICE PICTURES THAT JUST NEED A NICE SKY. THANKS

12/26/2011 10:25:51 PM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  First off, are you comfortable using Layers and Layer Masks, and adjusting the Brush Tool softness & strength in PS?

12/27/2011 6:16:57 AM

FERNANDA KINGSLEY-THOMAS
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 12/27/2010
  HI CHRISTOPHER I AM AFRAID NOT. I AM JUST BEGINNING TO USE PHOTOSHOP FOR THE BASICS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASY JUST TO DO THAT.

12/27/2011 6:45:19 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Layers are so powerful, so useful, so valuable --- definitely worth studying up on!

I put together a very short video clip on a layer technique I used, to show a friend how I did it. Maybe it will get you started:

http://www.screencast.com/t/oylJ0vSlm

12/27/2011 8:32:20 AM

  Very nicely made and presented video along with easy-to-understand instructions, Chris. I think the shortcut keys that you mentioned in the video are really helpful.

Have you made anymore as I would definitely want to take a peek.

Usman.

12/27/2011 7:12:58 PM

FERNANDA KINGSLEY-THOMAS
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 12/27/2010
  Hi Chris. Thank you very much indeed for your help. I have a full house and have not had time to look at it yet. Will tomorrow and will let you know.
Many thanks for your help.

12/28/2011 2:20:27 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Thanks, Usman... I've not made more; this was my first attempt. If you have any particular topics I might know about, let me know! I'd gladly do another one...

12/28/2011 3:57:11 AM

  Well Done Chris,
I have a few saved from Lewis Kemper when I took his Photoshop Toolbox classes. I sometimes forget simple things when I haven't done them in a while so its nice to have a quick reference to shake the cobwebs loose.
How did you record this ? I have an iMac and am sure its easy but have never tried to make a video but I am curious to try it sometime :)
Cheers,
Carlton

12/28/2011 10:21:52 PM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Hi Carlton---I used a freeware product called Jing; does the recording of screencapture (you specify how much screen to capture) as well as audio (though the built-in mic on the laptop isn't great!)

12/29/2011 4:17:37 AM

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Photography Question 
Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  36 .  SOMEBODY HACKING MY PHOTO
 
Today December 8 2011 I upload my photo but sudenly the result change with the other photo .. why ? so I deleted and I uploaded again the same photo but it;s change againt with Moon photo ?? who is change my photo ...and I make note with other response with original photo but afrter minutes the photo change to with other photo ... I already change my password but not work ..my original photo alway change wo what happen ? Yulianto Soeroso beloe I try oroginal photo girl with red gown maybe ...... after minute change I don't know ...BP help me fromd hacker

12/8/2011 3:58:24 AM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  wow then my photo chance with red gown but with horse fals ...hacjker ! in the see shore hahaha you are wrong hacker

12/8/2011 4:07:07 AM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  hahah diffrent picture again this statue B/W change the red gown haha may be if you see this photo already chang with other photo ..

12/8/2011 4:12:27 AM

Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member
Contact Ken
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member since: 6/11/2005
  This has happened to me as well this morning..three times, and I just deleted each photo. I will reenter my photo this afternoon. I doubt it's a hacker, but something is going on at BP site. If it impacted both of us, it probably affected others as well.

12/8/2011 4:16:30 AM

Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member
Contact Ken
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member since: 6/11/2005
  Check out the Contest Entry page:

http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGall2.asp?catID=560

You'll see the same photos submitted by several people...a glitch...

12/8/2011 4:18:19 AM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  yes may be that is Ken I found it is in the BP site because I try make upload in the q/ a same happen with in my entry I this if some new entry always change by that program ..may be will effect to all member in BP

12/8/2011 4:33:49 AM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  hahaha it's funny some many double photo and wow this home work for Jim and staff ..we now waiting to see next

12/8/2011 4:36:32 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Looks like a glitch at BP... the "posterized head" image is *MY* contest entry today, and it also appears as Joy Rector's, and Viveca Veneca's... There are several "duplicates" in the Recent Entries pages today...

12/8/2011 5:11:14 AM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  yes from page 1 up tu 6 all worst hahaha maybe some small program by hacker insert in BP server and have intruction if some foto upload should be change with their random data base photo ( maybe random pick rom bp server too hihi ) maybe she work in BP server register ... I hope team found that virus or trojan , and make brigade for close the hole ...

12/8/2011 5:35:01 AM

  I tried twice, deleted them both times but they are still there under somebody elses name. I emailed Jay the computer guy about 5:30 this morning CST, so he won't see it for a while, but I'm sure they will get it fixed. Meanwhile, it's FUBAR.

12/8/2011 6:49:02 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Seeing how widespread the problem is (and still happening) makes me wonder if they can "fix it" so that everyone's proper entry is restored... I suspect 12/8 will become a "lost day" of entries, unless they delete all entries behind the scenes, and email everyone who made an entry to get them to re-do it later today. Surely they'll need to delete the duplicates from everyone?
The "Recent Entries" screens continue to fill up with duplicate/triplicate entries appearing as the entries of several people at once.

12/8/2011 7:12:48 AM

  Thanks for letting us know early about this glitch. We're working on the upload issues now. Thanks for your patience everyone.

Karen
Team BetterPhoto

12/8/2011 8:47:03 AM

 
The issue is resolved going forward. Wasn't a hacker at all, but an issue with our alternate / single image uploader. It's resolved now going forward. Very sorry for any confusion caused.

Thanks,

12/8/2011 8:56:07 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Thanks, Jay---how do we get "our" photos out of any other members' galleries and/or Contest Entries?

12/8/2011 9:03:12 AM

  Good question. We're going through and removing obvious dupes caused by this today. We've removed many and will do another pass through to catch any additional ones.

If you notice any, feel free to email me directly at jay (at) betterphoto.com.

Thanks

12/8/2011 9:49:57 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Thanks! I see the # of dups is dropping now, from earlier morning entries...

12/8/2011 9:50:55 AM

  Ouch -- what a lot of work for you guys! Thanks for getting right on it, Jay. Glad I stumbled on this thread early and decided to hold off on entering -- that gives you one less image to worry about LOL

12/8/2011 12:32:57 PM

Yulianto Soeroso
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/27/2006
  yeah it;s look okay now. I don;t know what it was happen ..but now we enjoy to see the many nice photo in BP hahaha salute thank BP Team hahaa that time I try to change my password ..before I did.t kow it all memeber habe the same thing with me ..because first I thing my password hack by some one ...after saw in Dyno site oh I understand this mayby some rror in yha server hahaha thank friend and keep in touch hahaha jul

12/8/2011 4:53:16 PM

  Thanks Jay for your prompt attention and resolution of the problem and letting everyone know.

UB.

12/8/2011 8:13:05 PM

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Meghan Gonski

member since: 9/7/2007
  37 .  Viewing Photos
okay who has a PC and a Canon camera? I have both and this problem is driving me nuts:
windows picture/fax viewer (henceforth WPFV) has started not rotating my vertical images at all. I have googled this and read forums and found that it's a common problem; it doesn't read the rotation information on the picture. (it used to occasionally though!)That's fine, I've started learning to like my zoombrowser viewing program that came with my canon. That rotates the images fine. So I will view them in the Zb and organize them in files in WPFV
However, when I go to upload pics to the internet, the vertical photos are not rotated there either. So then I have to go to the WPFV to manually rotate them. Which is not just time consuming, I have read that it ruins the picture pixels by compressing them to be vertical.
anyone have this problem and know how to fix it? I've already tried changing the viewing settings in my camera.

12/6/2011 1:41:51 AM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Have you explored the camera setting on the Rebel, for "Auto Rotate of Vertical Images"?

12/6/2011 8:15:58 AM

Meghan Gonski

member since: 9/7/2007
  yeah that works--in the camera.

12/10/2011 9:27:01 PM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
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member since: 10/3/2005
  The manual indicates it should also work with your Canon software... so I think you'd be better off dropping Windows Pic/Fax viewer from your workflow.

12/11/2011 5:29:36 AM

Meghan Gonski

member since: 9/7/2007
  I pretty much have for my viewing/editing/organzing,
but the problem still persists that I have is that when I upload to the internet the verticals are horizontal.

12/13/2011 4:35:30 PM

  Hi Meghan,
I dont know if this works on PC but try holding the control key while pressing the right bracket ] or left bracket key [
This would rotate my images quickly when I used my old Canon 1DS with Photoshop/Bridge. My 5D mk II images automatically load correctly :)

12/13/2011 7:16:15 PM

Christopher J. Budny
BetterPhoto Member
chrisbudny.com

member since: 10/3/2005
  Another question...are these straight from the camera, as-is? Or are you doing editing first?
If they are as-is files, I believe when you view and even Rotate in WPFV, that rotation isn't saved within the file. But if you were to open the file in an editor, rotate, and do any other edits, then save it---then the file would always reflect that rotation.

12/14/2011 5:23:36 AM

Meghan Gonski

member since: 9/7/2007
  Sorry I lost the post to this thread.
Anyway...
Carlton, the keyboard tip didn't work :/ thanks though
Christopher, both. some are straight from the camera others are edited. If I edit in LR and save it will still be wrongly rotated in WPFV. If I edit in PhotoImpact Pro, I have to rotate it in that program, then when I save it, it will be correct rotate in WPFV. So as you said it will reflect that rotation after saving in editing program. However, I don't edit all my photos and rotating saving in editing would be time consuming....
Any more suggestions?? (*hopefully?*)

12/25/2011 8:25:34 PM

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Photography Question 
Larry Smith
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  38 .  Full Moon
 
Shooting a full moon, I'm getting all white and no details, what is the best way to photograph the full moon?

11/9/2011 3:11:38 PM

Gregory LaGrange
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member since: 11/11/2003
  Common question. Start at f/11, ISO 100, shutter speed 100th (or 125t,h if you don't have 100th), and raise shutter or ISO as needed while matching the correct aperture.
Search "moon" in the Q&A and you'll get a bunch of stuff for it.

11/9/2011 3:56:32 PM

  Thanks for the quick response Gregory, I'm going out now before the clouds come in and try it, and I will let you kow how I made out
Thank you
Larry

11/9/2011 5:09:00 PM

  Hi Larry,
I think I shot at f/11 and 1/125s at ISO100 last time and got details (Full Moon). Here is a chart as a guide because the different phases require slight adjustments :)
I use my 100-400mm lens w/1.4 extender and tripod/manual focus...

Lunar Photography Exposure Guide (@f/16)
ISO Film Speed Full Moon Gibbous 1st Quarter Thick Crescent Thin Crescent Earthshine
25 1/15 1/8 1/4 1/2 1
50 1/30 1/15 1/18 1/4 1/2
100 1/60 1/30 1/15 1/8 1/4
200 1/125 1/60 1/30 1/15 1/8 40 to 80 sec.
400 1/250 1/125 1/60 1/30 1/15 20 to 40 sec.
800 1/500 1/250 1/125 1/60 1/30 10 to 20 sec.
1600 1/1000 1/500 1/250 1/125 1/60 5 to 10 sec.
3200 1/2000 1/1000 1/300 1/250 1/125 2 to 5 sec.
home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/howtophoto/
Hope this helps,
Carlton

11/9/2011 6:02:54 PM

  Thanks, Carlton you and Gregory wre a big help, I just hop toniht clears up and try again
Thanks again Larry

11/10/2011 6:55:46 AM

Ken De Pree
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  Do a Google search. Lots of good info available on the subject.

11/22/2011 6:13:12 AM

  Thanks Ken I tried it there are a lot of good ideas to shoot all phases of the moon

11/22/2011 7:38:38 AM

Dan W. Dooley
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  Supermoon Over Texas
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f/8, 1/640 sec, Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM at 400mm, Handheld, 9:04 PM. The moon was practically directly overhead.
 
 
Larry, I don't know if you've been successful yet in your moon shots but there are a couple of points which I have not seen touched on yet. I have had good success at getting well exposed moon shots. The secret is to avoid overexposure. The camera meter is seeing the "whole" of the sky around the moon and averaging the metered light. It's saying in effect, "it's a dark scene so the exposure needs to be increased." The meter is being fooled. The blackness being the bulk of the "scene" in the frame is calling for more exposure and thus the part which is actually light is overexposed.

Try spot metering and meter off of the surface of the moon itself. Try a couple of test shots and if it's still too bright, reduce the exposure. If you are using other than Manaul reduce the exposure with EC by some amount you may need to experiment with. I use only manual exposure and I may reduce the exposure by a good part of, or to a whole f-stop. As the light from the moon is bright, yes, you can use a moderatly low ISO. 100 should work.

My last time was at ISO 200. Shutter speed was 1/640 sec, f/8. Focal length 400mm. Handheld. I could have shot it at ISO 100 but I was handholding and wanted to keep the shutter speed up

I am including an image to show that it can be done.

12/9/2011 5:27:56 PM

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  BTW, the shot was made March 19, 2011 when the moon was announced to be closer than normal thus presenting a larger view. Fortunately we had clear skies that night.

12/9/2011 5:35:24 PM

  Thanks for the great tip Dan, Friday night was overcast, Saturday & Sunday were Christmas activies, now I have to wait for next month, by the way great photo

12/12/2011 10:01:33 AM

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  39 .  Photo removed or not approved
Lots of time I get this message when I want to enter a photo in the contest.
Why? I don't have a clue what I'm doing wrong.
Can you please help me.
Thanks
Annie

10/28/2011 5:56:35 AM

Ken De Pree
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  If you are entering the photos that are in your gallery, I don't understand why, either. You should contact the administration and ask for an explanation.

10/28/2011 6:02:13 PM

  I don' know if you are trying to enter more than one a day or not. But if you are the limit IS one photo per day and the second one would be refused. Or if there is some reason for them to believe that you did not take the photo it would not be qualified.

If the answer is "No" to both then I don't no.

10/28/2011 10:08:39 PM

  If you are using a photo that you entered as "private" for a class or just because....you need to "display" the image, then, if you want, un-display it...then it will work.

10/31/2011 5:58:23 PM

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  Thank you all.
Bob,you were right.That fixed it
Annie

11/2/2011 4:36:52 PM

  Finally I got one right... :-)

11/2/2011 4:39:02 PM

Annie Hanley
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  As they say Bob,
"Persistence pays off" ;)

11/4/2011 5:02:35 AM

  Thanks Bob! I appreciate the community replies here. Do you think members go here before the Help Pages? We used to post more tips here that lead to great discussions about how to do things better, trouble shoot etc.

Your thoughts?
Karen

P.S. Bob, big game in the Dawg house tonight - you watching?!?

11/5/2011 11:14:21 AM

  'welcome... :-)

I don't know. Truthfully, I dont think I've ever checked the help pages...oops.

I'd guess that this forum is a much better place....more people, more thoughts/exchanges...

11/5/2011 3:35:31 PM

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  40 .  Focus Catastrophe-how to compensate
 
A young graduate of our college has become an official college photographer, but just had a catastrophe

10/27/2011 2:47:32 AM

  Sorry, didn't finish writing here! Anyway, he had forgotten to put the camera into auto-focus and came away with unfocused images. The problem is that these students are out working in practicums in various towns and had only come to the campus for a day--in other words, there is no way to restage another shoot. He's frantic and has asked me to help him try to salvage the pics. So, using everything I know to try to fix them, though my skills are not great. Anyway, methods I use to sharpen (but usually on pics that are focused to begin with!): 1) Put the image in lab mode, click on channels in the layer palette, then lightness, then go to filter to sharpen with Smart Sharpen. 2) I've found (I think) that Noise Ninja has a very good sharpener, so sometimes use that. 3) Of course, can use the sharpening brush, perhaps on eyes, but that seems to add a lot of noise. 4) Sometimes if it's a portrait, I'll select the eyes and contrast them, and then sharpen the eyes, nostrils and mouth and then use Noise Ninja on everything but that. Can't think of anything else. Does anyone have any other tricks? I've uploaded one of the pics, but hard to see here. Thanks for any help!

10/27/2011 3:00:56 AM

  Another question regarding this. I am also choosing which images to work on, as he took three of every group. I notice that one of them seems just slightly sharper, but also seems to have more noise. Wondering if I should choose that one. Worried that it might actually be artifacts instead of noise. Another question I've had for ages and wanted to ask: When I use the method number one above, in lab mode--is that method really a better way to sharpen, or is it simply to let you see the effect of noise more clearly as you are sharpening?

10/27/2011 3:05:07 AM

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  Save yourself some stress and realize this, something that's out of focus isn't going to look in focus with sharpening.
Now that that's out the way. I can't speak of Noise Ninja because I don't have it, and I can't even speak of lab mode in photoshop because I don't have that in my version. I just use what came with my camera. But I got layers, and using a lot of layers is what you can do.
Sine he took three of each, look over each one and see if one row is better in one picture than the other. Use as many layers as you need and do some selective sharpening on a section or even a single person. Then you can use layer mask to erase and blend elements from each picture.
You may not be able to use this with this photo since it's a group shot at a distance, but a trick to shooting something to give an impression of more being in sharp focus than what really is, is if you were shooting something like and apple but your depth of field isn't large. Your natural tendency is to focus on the skin surface that's closest to you. Depth of field can be shallow enough that the skin is in focus but the stem isn't. But the skin of an apple is pretty smooth, not a lot of texture, but the stem has texture. So if you focus on the stem instead, you see the edge sharpness in the texture of it, it gives the impression that the whole picture is sharp.
So any detail in faces may not be there at all, but with other parts of the picture, be it sharpening or maybe you can use some contrast adjustments with the black robes to differentiate some edges a little more, you can give an impression of a sharper picture.

10/27/2011 5:53:50 PM

  Thanks Gregory! I'll look at the photos and see if there is any difference in the points of focus. And then I'll take your advice and also do what I can to make the photo as a whole look sharper without creating a lot of noise on the faces.

10/28/2011 4:00:58 AM

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