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Get tips for taking wedding photos for amateurs, semi-professional, and professional photographers. Topics range from the best portrait lenses for wedding photography to working with clients to coming up with a wedding list of shots. Additionally, here is a helpful article you should take a look at: Portrait Lenses for Wedding Photography.

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Photography Question 
Jackie Kuhl

member since: 4/1/2004
  81 .  How to Shoot a Wedding?
I am going to shoot a wedding this weekend, and I am really nervous. I have never done this before and now it is too late to back out. Luckily, the wedding will only be 40 people. It will take place in a church with a mini dinner later at a restaurant, so it will not have a normal reception. Basically, it will just be the ceremony. I cannot use a flash during the reception, but I can any other time. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? I do not want to mess this up. Also, I will be using my Nikon SLR 75 camera with two different lenses. Thanks.

7/6/2004 3:53:26 PM

Andy 
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/28/2002
  This may help:

http://johnlind.tripod.com/wedding/

7/7/2004 9:32:58 AM

Angela K. Wittmer
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 7/13/2003
  Yes, that Web site will help you tremendously! Also take as many pics before the wedding as things get very rushed afterwards! What are you going to use for film? It also will help to have the couple write down what pics they are interested in having shot, and you can keep a checklist so that nothing is missed. Most of all... relax, breathe, and try to have some fun ... you will do fine!

Angie :)

7/7/2004 10:10:16 AM

Lori Lyman

member since: 3/24/2004
  Also, you could go to the church a few days before and check out the light. Maybe take a few test shots. If there's not much light, you'll have to use fast film. Find where you need to stand to get them coming "down the aisle". Don't know if you want them to stop in the aisle to take a pic or not, but if you do, let them know ahead of time. Find a marker like, say, 3rd pew (or whatever), find your spot, set your camera, and you'll be ready when the time comes. Good luck!

7/8/2004 7:15:22 AM

Kathy Harris

member since: 1/25/2002
  I may have missed giving you an answer before the big event occured - please go to my website for ideas on wedding pics - www.kathysgallery.com -

If you find you like shooting weddings - congrats ! I think I have the best job in the world -

My suggestions would be -

Spend some time with just the Bride and Groom taking pics of the couple - after you have taken the formals of family and bridal party - which should be immediately after the ceremony -

Scene setting photos are good to include too.

Many times the actual ceremony photos can be difficult - in regards to your position and point of view and the lighting - so you can recreate -

Relax, Have fun and good luck.

7/13/2004 4:53:10 AM

John Sandstedt
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 8/8/2001
  The best way for an amateur to take pictures at a wedding is to let a Pro do the job. That way, the amateur can let him/her fight "the crowds" - albeit, you've described a wedding of about 40 people.

But, if you're committed, remember several things. Traditional photo packages require many, many pictures of the brides. It's her DAY! The Groom is important, but really wall paper. The Bride's parents are next in importance, especially her mother.

If you can shoot during the ceremony - great. Use flash if you're able, ISO-800 of faster film if you're not. There may be some graininess, but you'll get the shots. Use ISO-100 or -200 [with flash] for shooting the reception.

As someone else said, scout the church in advance. You may find a great place from which to shoot that will enable you to get the faces of the bride and groom. Avoid shooting from the congregation; you'll generally get backsides!

be sure to try to get a formal setting for each table. In recent weddings I attended [or hosted as father of the groom,] there have been single use cameras on each table. If used correctly, this will afford the wedding couple many images not available from the "official" photographer. But, you should politely ask folks at each table to move arround to enable a well balanced photo. Bes sure to clear as much of the clutter on the table as possible.

Be sure to get the cutting of the wedding cake, the "tossing of the bride on her 'throne,' " the first dance, bride and Dad's dance, Groom and Mom's dance, etc.

If you're an invitee, you'll be at a disadvantage unless you give up the opportunity to join in the merriment [drinking, eating, etc.] For sure, you'll miss one or more of the great shots if you do. Of course, your escort will be happier if your close by.

Take lots of film. Bring extra batteries [for flash AND camera.] Most Pros [shooting 35 mm] agree to shoot up to four rolls of film. I've shot none 36-exposure rolls at one wedding I did as the "Official" photographer; I shot three 36-exposure rolls when there was a Pro on site [and mine are the only pictures the wedding couple or their parents ever show to friends.]

Try for good composition in all your shots but, remember, capturing that unbelievable moment is more important that "on the money composition." Remember, there's always cropping - by a decent commercial processor or Photoshop!

Shooting a wedding is hard work; that's why Pros charge so much. But, since you have an auto-focus camera, set it to the "continuous focus mode" and Program Mode. You'll not have to worry about focus or exposure while you adjust composition, zoom, etc.

You'll be fine. Have a ball.

7/13/2004 6:44:21 AM


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member since: 10/28/2003
  So, how'd it go Jackie?

7/13/2004 4:14:58 PM

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Photography Question 
Chad Pinches

member since: 6/23/2004
  82 .  Wedding Help!!!
The classic story. I have been asked to do a friend's wedding. I own a Minolta Maxxum 5, Minolta 2000xi flash, Sigma 24-70 and Sigma 70-300 lens. This is an outdoor wedding but the reception afterwards is indoors. My question is should I use the Kodak 160NC speed film for both and will the flash that I own be enough to handle my situation? Also, what type of lens filter should be used or would a regular haze or sky filter be fine? Thanks for the help.

6/23/2004 8:19:13 AM

Angela K. Wittmer
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 7/13/2003
  I just did my first wedding (outside) and I used Kodak Portra 400 VC. It worked very well and I was pleased with the results. I think the VC gives the photos a little more "snap" color-wise with great skin tones too. I took pictures inside for the reception with just my fill flash on my Canon EOS 700 and in my situation it was fine. Only problem I had was they set the cake up near a window and a lot of light was coming in. I tried to shoot away from the window with pretty good results. I have a UV filter on my lenses all of the time to prevent scratching.

Also ... If possible, take some of the shots BEFORE the wedding. I had to do all of the pics after the ceremony and before the reception. I didn't feel I had enough time to do the shots I wanted to and I had a lot of people snapping photos behind me while I was taking shots. Of course, they were anxious to get to the reception too, so if possible, do some of the shots before the wedding ceremony. The next one I do will be that way if at all possible.

Any of the Portra line of film is great... I would not be scared of the 160 speed either ... just use VC vs NC ...

Good luck & relax & have fun!

Angie

6/24/2004 8:07:13 AM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Chad, See the section of my Web site that was created for your situation. There's information about film, flash, and more important, the planning you need to do!

http://johnlind.tripod.com/wedding/

To be very clear about its purpose, it's a "survival guide" for the non-professional that's pressed into service. All the photos there were done using the type of equipment and films described. It's not intended for starting a business to shoot them professionally. That requires, among a few other specialized things, considerably more lighting equipment.

A few tips:
1. If you haven't shot candids much, timing is everything - anticipating so you can be there and ready in a position with good perspective to compose it BEFORE it happens - and exact timing of the shutter when it happens to capture the "decisive moment" that tells the story well. It's a skill that's developed by doing. Reading about it will help, but that alone won't get you there. Your finger has to press the shutter a small fraction of a second just before it happens, and your brain has to tell the finger to move a small fraction of a second before that. If you don't have some experience with candids in general, do some practice. Kids playing and local action sports can help with perfecting shutter timing.

2. With posed portraiture, attention to detail is extremely important. Clothing that's out of place, hand and arm positioning, tips of fingers showing when a person has their arm around someone, prominent poles or candles growing out of the top of someone's head, distracting background objects, etc., while not as glaring when you're looking at it making the photo, can be glaring in the print. The human brain is marvelous at ignoring these things when you're there in person, but completely fails at helping to ignore it when looking at the photograph later.

3. Plan thoroughly! Don't underestimate what you will need in film and batteries (there's stuff on my site about that). Also think about how you will choreograph your movements during the ceremony. Much of that cannot be done in advance, other than asking if they're planning on doing anything unusual or special during the ceremony. It's something to think about and plan at the rehearsal, which I very strongly recommend you attend.

4. If you decide you must buy some new equipment for this event (and hopefully it's something you will use for other things afterward), practice with it first! It's one of my prime rules ... to never, ever use something new at a critical shoot like a wedding without first playing with it to ensure I know how to use it, that I'm familiar with all its controls, and have tested it to ensure it reliably produces the desired results every time. This has saved my bacon more than once (oooh, that doesn't quite fit together right, or ... it doesn't work quite as I expected it to)!

5. Above all, keep it simple with body, lens, flash and film. Experienced professionals often use multiple camera bodies, lenses, lighting and films. Changeover among them is done carefully at specific times. Their experience has taught them when best to do it and allows them to cope with it without making mistakes. In other words, they're not having to think as much about basic things, can pay attention to it more, and have devised little error-proofing techniques in how they go about it (habit at doing it many times correctly is very powerful too). For the inexperienced who must consciously pay attention to more things going on around them, it can become a mental overload that leads to mistakes ... usually forgetting to do something important during a changeover in equipment.

You can do it. Thorough planning, preparation and not doing anything unduly complicated with your equipment is the secret.

6/27/2004 10:59:06 PM

Candice Hughes

member since: 5/4/2004
  Chad,
Good luck with your wedding and as someone stated earlier, get as many pictures taken before the ceremony as possible. And have the bride and groom make a list of what pictures they want so that way you don't forget anyone. But the real reason I'm responding is to ask you a question on how you like your 200xi flash? I also have a Maxxum 5 and can't decide on what flash to get. I would love to have the 5600, but can't afford it right now. Do you like the results of your 200oxi? Please let me know and good luck!

6/28/2004 2:42:45 PM

Gregg Vieregge

member since: 11/10/2000
  I would recommend getting a flash bracket such as the Press-T from stroboframe. You would have to also get a module cord for your flash and camera. Together this may be $150. The perpose is that when you turn your camera for vertical shots the flash rotates uo and over the lens. Without this you would get annoying side shadows showing up on back walls. Another reason is that it puts the flash a bit higher above the lens to help eliminte red eye. Read all you can about weddings. The day before put all this information aside and go with what you know. Trying to over prepare creates a butterfly stomach effect.. Good Luck!

6/29/2004 5:38:42 AM

Chad Pinches

member since: 6/23/2004
  I want to thank everyone for all of the helpfull information. Candice, to answer your question on the 2000xi flash, I do not like the flash very much. You do get better results using it compared to the built in flash on the camera but you have no controll of any of the flash settings. All you do is turn it on. It also isn't very powerfull. The best thing about the flash is the low cost. That is the main reason why I have it. I am would like to upgrade it to a 5600 D series some day. Hope this helps.

6/30/2004 6:30:25 AM

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Photography Question 
Kristi Seanor

member since: 1/19/2004
  83 .  Outdoor Wedding Film Choice
I will be shooting my first wedding outdoors in July. I need any advice you might have on the best film, speed, filter needed or not and flash outdoors or not. I have a very basic camera (Canon Eos Rebel G) with a 550 EX speedlite. I own 2 lenses (28-80, 75-300 IS USM). Which lens should I use? Then the reception will be indoors. Any suggestions???

5/31/2004 10:20:12 AM

Bob Cammarata
BetterPhoto Member
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member since: 7/17/2003
  Any film which is balanced for daylight use, or for flash, will work fine outdoors without any lens filters. A film speed of 200 or 400 should handle all scenarios. You should plan on using flash outside to help fill in dark spots and shadows if it will be sunny during the ceremony. For the reception indoors, you can use the same film as long as you are using the 550 EX flash as your illumination. Good luck!

5/31/2004 12:36:05 PM

  Most professional wedding photographers use professional films optimized for portraits with softer contrast - great in harsh lighting. Also optimized for pleasing skin tone reproduction.

You really do not need to do so, because the standard Kodak and Fuji films are great. But if you want to use pro film, check a retailer's Web site for Fujicolor Portrait NPS 160 Professional and Fujicolor Portrait NPH 400 Professional. http://www.fujifilm.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/Products.jsp?nav=1&parent=PRODUCT_CATEGORY_234666&product=

Or Kodak PORTRA 160NC or
400NC. http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/portra/portraIndex.jhtml?id=0.1.18.14.11.16&lc=en

Cheers! Peter Burian

6/1/2004 5:09:15 AM

Michael McCullough

member since: 6/11/2002
  I highly recommend Fuji NPC 160 speed film it will suit your needs very well I've found it to be about the best there is for this type of application ,my second choice would be Fuji NPS 160 speed and my third would be Kodak NC 160 speed.All are pro films all are really great as well!!!!

6/1/2004 10:39:50 AM

Michael McCullough

member since: 6/11/2002
  And by the way take both lenses,one for wide angle, and the longer lens for portraits,the longer lens will let you get in close from a good working distance,without disturbing the wedding itself!!!!!

6/1/2004 10:44:01 AM

Chris London

member since: 11/23/2002
  Hi Kristi:
Bring both lenses, (with the 28-80 on your main camera body and the zoom on a spare camera body if you can find one - you should try hard to find one!).

The 28-80 will give you lots of good wide, indoor shots, while the zoom will help you to make nice portraits with a nice soft feel, not to mention the benefit of candid people shots taken from a distance when they don't even know they are being photographed.

6/1/2004 4:54:37 PM

JOE 

member since: 4/21/2002
  I HIGHLY RECOMEND KODAK PORTRA 160NC
I HAVE HAD EXCELENT RESULTS,ALSO IF POSSIBLE USE A LARGE LIGHT DIFFUSER WHEN POSSIBLE IT SOFTENS THE HARSH LIGHT ON THE SKIN .
I USED MY 70-300MM LENS AND IT GAVE ME
GREAT OPTIONS ALSO I USED PORTRAIT MODE AND PROGRAM MODE.

6/1/2004 5:35:21 PM

Kristi Seanor

member since: 1/19/2004
  Thanks everyone for the suggestions and much needed help with this. I am a little apprehensive about using less than 400 sp film but the majority recommends 160NC.

6/1/2004 8:10:44 PM

Michael McCullough

member since: 6/11/2002
  Also Kristi don't forget your tripod,you might need it with your long lens,Kodak Portra NC comes in two speeds 160&400 use the 160 outdoors and the 400 indoors simple solutions ,and really relax I'm sure you will do a good job,and oh do you have a back up camera? might be a good idea!also with a back up you can load it with B&W or another speed film,I really believe a backup body is a must if you plan on shooting more weddings in the future,it also will give you flexability re.films or even format!!!!

6/2/2004 9:27:31 AM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Kristi,
I've done a fair number of outdoor weddings and other events. Kodak's Portra 160NC is the film of choice for a number of reasons . . . provided we're discussing daylight lighting levels following dawn or before evening twighlight . . . starting about an hour after dawn and and an hour before sunset . . . and we're not working with deep shade (under heavy double or triple tree canopy).

For close work I normally use fill flash. A faster film speed (e.g. ISO 400) does not allow the lens to stop down far enough to get to X-Sync, and in brighter daylight you can have problems with having the lens nearly stopped down completely and still having to use a shutter speed of 1/500th or 1/1000th. The exceptional depth of field completely stopped down may not be desirable (background clutter distraction) and it takes the lens out of its "sweet spot" of best optical performance which is found in the middle apertures, usually f/5.6 and f/8.

BTW, I don't like doing outdoor work under direct sunlight (clear sky) unless it's the ceremony itself and there's no choice. It's too harsh. One of the reasons for having flash on hand for fill to remove some of the high contrast under those conditions. I do all the posed work possible under indirect skylighting (in shade) if the sky is not overcast . . . and will do a recon of the wedding location beforehand to look for suitable backgrounds that will be under indirect lighting conditions during the time of day scheduled for the wedding. Looking for these locations when doing the wedding shoot bogs down the work flow and one must settle for what suffices quickly instead of what may be optimal.

-- John Lind

6/2/2004 6:18:20 PM

Kristi Seanor

member since: 1/19/2004
  While we are on the subject of film speed and the best film for an outdoor wedding, does anyone have a website they use to order the Kodak Portra 160NC? At this point, I do not know the time of the wedding but will be finding that out very soon.

6/2/2004 8:10:08 PM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Try B&H Photo Video in NYC:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com

or Adorama in NYC:
http://www.adorama.com

Buy it in 5-roll "sticks" or if you're doing a fair amount of wedding work you can buy 20-roll "bricks." I buy the sticks. There's no cost savings in the price but I also order enough film at a time to amortize the shipping cost over about 20 rolls. Portra, like all pro films should be stored in the refrigerator. You can pull it out for upward of a week at a time without hurting it . . . I've done it often for "road trip" projects . . . just put any unused rolls back in the reefer when you get home. Don't leave it in a parked car out in the sun though. Pull it out about an hour before you'll use it to let it warm to room temperature . . . otherwise moisture will condense on the cold film when you open and load it in the camera (which produces photos that look like they were fogged).

If you're using 35mm exclusively (no medium format), go with no less than 15 rolls. It's highly unlikely you'd burn more than 500 frames. Plan on using about 8-12 depending on size of wedding party, the bride/groom families, length of ceremony, and how long you'll be at the reception. Running out of film is worse than catastrophic and I ensure there's always more on hand than could ever be needed.

What you don't use can go back into the reefer behind the vegies afterward (store it in a Tupperware or Rubbermaid container). I've done enough weddings that I know I run a burn rate of 40-50 frames per hour at a wedding so I guage film quantity on the length of time now. Example: 8 hours would be a max of 400 frames, or about 11 rolls. I've never shot that many over that long . . . after 6 hours it slows down a bit. After 6-7 hours not a whole lot happens that hasn't already been photographed. The key events are generally done and guests start drifting off leaving the "party animals" (they sometimes provide a few interesting shots) . . . and that's starting the shoot 2 hours before the wedding ceremony begins. I know there are longer wedding reception "marathons" but I've never done them and the longest I've run is 8 hours which is exhausting. You'll have to find your own burn rate with experience . . . everyone has their own shooting pace that's driven with their style of shooting the candids.

BTW, I just noticed this is your first wedding. If you haven't had any training in wedding work you might want to see my "survival guide." It's *not* intended for professionals, but for non-pros who find themselves pressed into service doing it for friends or relatives. I use considerably more equipment for weddings including medium format gear and portable studio lighting for all the posed groups and portraiture. There's also the business end of things that isn't discussed at all (pricing and other buisness practices/policies). Even if you're doing this professionally and have never shot . . . or helped shoot one (as gaffer/grip) . . . you may find some very valuable technical tips there about the shoot itself:

http://johnlind.tripod.com/wedding/

All the photos in the guide were done with 35mm film format, using a standard 50mm lens, and camera mounted flash (in a bracket or on a handle). IOW, I didn't use anything fancy or exotic to make them. Many were done running #2 working gaffer/grip for a wedding photographer so I could learn how to do weddings, and test and fine tune my own equipment setups, particularly the flash. Some of the reception camera angles are not optimal; the #1 photog was using them and I shot from the other side.

-- John Lind

6/2/2004 11:11:01 PM

Angela K. Wittmer
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 7/13/2003
  HI! I am also shooting my first wedding coming up soon... I was wondering about Kodak Portra 160 VC vs NC... would VC be better? Also would using the 400 speed Portra NC be better in outdoors situations??

6/7/2004 7:03:03 AM

Kristi Seanor

member since: 1/19/2004
  From my post, seems like the prefered film of choice is the 160NC. Everyone has been so helpful on this site.

6/7/2004 7:13:01 AM

Michael McCullough

member since: 6/11/2002
  Kodak Portra 160VC has higher contrast,a little more pumped colour great for available light photography,I personally love the Fuji NPC 160 for all round portrait, weddings ect.it is a truly great film and ideal for these applications,it has more contrast and zap than portra NC,so it 's kinda like a balance between NC & VC,and it does an amazing job handling skintones!!!!!!

6/7/2004 10:22:41 AM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Portra NC versus VC IMO is a matter of personal preference for general portaiture. For weddings, one must deal with white dresses and very dark, often black, tuxes. This requires a wide latitude film and print material. Otherwise the dark (black) tuxes will block up into pure black (a Bad Thing) and/or the white dress can wash out with little detail (a Very Bad Thing). NC has slightly more latitude and thus it's slightly more forgiving. NC is also slightly finer grain compared to VC (don't know why; something I've wondered about). Not much, and it would b unusual to be concerned about it, but it's measurable. Even so, VC, if that's what you want to use, is still more forgiving in latitude than the films for general photography.

BTW, extreme color saturation for portraiture, such as Portra UC (a relatively new film) is generally a Bad Thing; extreme saturation and skin tones don't mix well. In addition, high saturation and and high contrast (less latitude) go hand in hand. Stay with a mainstay "wedding/portrait" film . . . and the Fuji NPC Michael mentioned is an excellent alternative the Kodak's Portra.

-- John Lind

6/7/2004 10:42:33 AM

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Tamela L. Weese

member since: 5/19/2004
  84 .  Shooting My First Wedding and I'm Terrified.
I would just like someone to help me with a few questions on my first wedding. Should I have the couple sign a contract? Where am I allowed to be during the ceremony? Do I need to talk to the minister before the wedding? Just any tips anybody can give me to help me through. Thank You.

5/19/2004 6:52:22 PM

Kai Eiselein
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 12/21/2003
  First, take a deep breath. Yes, you should have a contract. You might be able to find a simple one online.
ALWAYS talk to the minister. He/she will let you know where you can or cannot be during the ceremony. You also need to find out if you can use your flash during the ceremony. Most allow flash photos of at least the processional and recessional. Others don't allow any photos at all during the ceremony. Always check in advance.
Take at least two cameras, extra batteries, and plenty of film. (I forgot the film once.) Find someone who knows who is who in the families and wedding party. They can be a big help in getting people rounded up for group photos.
Always stay calm, and be prepared for the unexpected.

5/23/2004 3:21:01 PM

Doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  You are scared because you have normal common sense. You've taken on a serious responsibility. Having said that, as long as you have practiced with your camera and flash, with the subject matter, places, and distances you will be shooting, and your shots look OK, relax and enjoy the shoot.
Color negative film has some latitude if you happen to be a stop or two off. Be SURE the flash synchronization speed is set right in your camera's shutter function. Be SURE the film speed is set right. Kai's suggestion on getting a helper to round up people for groups shots is dead-on.

5/24/2004 12:18:57 PM

John L. Webb

member since: 2/20/2004
 
 
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I've shot hundreds of weddings, Just recall that the wedding party will take their cues from you ... as long as you act in control, where appropriate, you will do fine. Keep your disposition sunny and upbeat, and practice in your head and heart BEFORE the shoot. My own style is photojournalistic, so the posed portion makes up not even a third of the total shots. Plan your splits for black and white and color, if any. Have sound contacts for developing your shots if you will not be doing them yourself. And above all, find out what the couple wants! It has been my experience that the images that are most treasured by my clients are the unposed, "as it happens" moments. These allow you to remain in the background observing the moment while not intruding.

I would touch base with whomever is performing the ceremony as well as the wedding planner, if any, and make sure they are aware of what the couple's choices are as far as shooting during the ceremony. I use Leica cameras so this too keeps me in the background and the noise level to a minimum.

Above all, enjoy yourself! You are lucky to cover such an important and blessed event. Open your heart, and your eyes will see what to shoot. Good luck. If I can be of any personal help to you, drop me a line on e-mail and I will reply ASAP.

5/25/2004 7:01:26 AM


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member since: 10/28/2003
  You should have a contract, IMHO. But it can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be. I do it a funny way. I check out the couple in my consultation. If the bride is very particular about a lot of things, which is easy to determine, I'll be more definite about things like how many photos they will get, a percentage of black and white vs. color, a percentage of digital, the exact time frame, etc. With other brides, they are more laid-back. With them, my contract is a simple one-pager that describes the general services (photography) and the price for X hours.

Also, both contracts have things about my right to use anything in any manner I choose. I'm not responsible for improper clothing, closed eyes, etc. And that basically, as long as the photography is good, there is no recourse on their part. In addition, I have a clause that states that if for some reason the photos don't turn out (like one time the lab lost an entire roll - luckily, I had the images scanned, so we had those to go from), that I am only liable for the cost of that, less any expenses incurred. Of course, keep in mind that a contract is really only for a mishap. Mostly, you don't need it, and mostly you should be able to resolve any issues through great customer service.

Definitely talk to the minister before the event and ask what's allowed. There are usually two issues: Can you take pics during the ceremony (if not, when can you?) and is flash allowed. Also, ask if you can have some time after the ceremony to take photos of the wedding party in the church (sometimes yes, sometimes no).

To relieve you a little, visit the site beforehand. Take your camera and take a few shots inside and out. Walk the grounds and look at places where you'd like to pose the couple alone, and then good places to take the family. Also, remember, anyone can take nice pictures, the real value of a professional wedding photographer is to capture the moments of the wedding that maybe no one really saw. For instance, everyone saw them standing at the alter ... I mean get those, but remember to turn your camera out to Mom, who's shedding a tear, and Dad, who is a as proud as a dad can be. Remember to shoot all the hugs and kisses. Some family member may be reuniting. I can't tell you how many weddings I shoot where the dad has been out of the picture for a while, or something. Those are precious moments that have to be documented.

The closer you can get to the couple, the more they will tell you about themselves, the more they tell you, the better sense you get of what's important to them. It's an art and a science all rolled into one hugely stressful, but exhillerating day! Enjoy!

5/25/2004 12:59:39 PM

John L. Webb

member since: 2/20/2004
  Great advice Jerry!


John

5/25/2004 1:30:38 PM

JOE 

member since: 4/21/2002
  HI, I ALSO AM NEW TO WEDDINGS HAVING DONE THREE SO FAR I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE IN THAT I HAVE NOT HAD MAJOR PROBLEMS. HAVING SAID THAT I AGREE ON PRACTICE AND MORE PRACTICE TO GET TO KNOW YOUR CAMERA WELL AND BY ALL MEANS GET TO KNOW YOUR CLIENTS AS MUCH A POSSIBLE.
TALK TO YOUR CLIENTS AHEAD OF TIME TO KNOW WHAT THEY EXPECT OF YOU AND TO HAVE THEM SIGN SOME FORM OF AGREEMENT.

5/25/2004 7:01:41 PM

Tamela L. Weese

member since: 5/19/2004
  Thank You everybody for your help and support and wish me luck.

5/27/2004 3:33:09 PM

Allan Yates

member since: 2/21/2004
  Hi, Tamela -
I have photographed six weddings, and I have found that you have to shoot about five or six before you can relax and not be scared blind. If you plan on continuing to shoot weddings, it does get easier!

I would advise that you do have a contract and a shot list from the couple so that you don't miss any shots that are important to them (unless you are doing a photojournalism style shoot). Talk to the minister to get an idea of how the wedding ceremony will unfold; also, go to the church beforehand to get an idea of what the facility is like and to scout good vantage pionts to shoot from. Any and all information you can glean beforehand is invaluable.

Ask the couple and minister if there are any special things you should know beforehand about their faith and the ceremony; ask the couple if there are any family situations you should be aware of (you don't want to put family members that have been feuding for years together and ask them to smile for a photo - you don't need people going "Jerry Springer" at the wedding!)

Know your camera and how to operate it; shoot a test roll with flash before the wedding to make sure everything is working correectly. Use a film you know well; use fresh film (no expired date film); put new batteries in everything and have a second set of new batts with you; make sure you have the correct ISO for your film set on your camera AND flash unit, if it has that capability. Lasty, READ - there are many excellent books on wedding photography out, many published by Amphoto.

If you do these things, remember to breathe and at least try to relax, you should have a successful shoot. Best of luck!

6/7/2004 6:59:14 PM

RoxAnne E. Franklin

member since: 6/26/2002
  Hi there,
you have gotten excellent advise. Pay careful attention to all of it. It's fun shooting weddings and Allan was so correct in saying that after the 5th or 6th one, you actually start having a ball.
I have one piece of advice for you. Pay special attention to the ministers wants and dislikes. And, i've started asking them if they would like a stand alone shot of themselves for their church newsletter, free of course. You wouldnt beleive how many weddings these ministers have referred my way. It pays to be extra nice if you want to do this for a living. it will come back to you in a good way.
good luck and keep us posted on how you did.

6/8/2004 11:31:55 AM

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Lori Rockwell

member since: 8/18/2003
  85 .  Film Speed
I'm going to shoot a wedding for the first time. I'm really nervous about it. I'm not a pro at photograpy but have been told many times I'm very good at it. My question is... what film speed should I use when shooting the wedding? I would appreciate any help you can offer. Thank you.

9/6/2003 2:36:23 PM

Brenda Tharp
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 6/9/2003
  Hi Lori - this is a loaded question! First, will you be allowed to use flash inside during the ceremony? If not, you'll need to use a high speed film, such as a 400 or 800 ISO. If you can use flash, and are using print film, I'd suggest using high speed film anyway, so that you can bring up the ambient light around the people. But, when you go outside to do any portraits, etc., that film will be too fast, so you'll either have to use two camera bodies, and switch between them, or pull the fast film out and put in slower film, something in the 100-200 range.

Hope this helps, and good luck with this, your first!

9/6/2003 10:01:50 PM

Steve A. Stephens

member since: 11/26/2003
  Hi Lori,
Hope I'm not too late to answer this one but I use Kodak Portra 160vc for my weddings and the 400VC for indoor shots..it's the best film avail. for flash or ambient light..I'm assuming your using a 35mm cam. At this point remember that people are vertical creatures and turn your camera sidways when you can..also..get yourself a hi amp. batt for the flash..it recycles faster..carry extra's and you'll be ok...don't be afraid to take control and stop if things don't look right in the lense..good luck......

11/26/2003 3:03:18 PM

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Leigh L. Brown

member since: 7/30/2003
  86 .  How to Shoot Silhouettes of Bride and Groom
How do I shoot a silhouette picture of a bride and groom in the church doorway?

7/30/2003 4:48:33 AM

Doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  Base your exposure on the light behind them. Also, shoot one based on the shadow they're in, because they may prefer that one. Also shoot one with an exposure halfway between the two.

7/30/2003 5:31:20 AM

Gregg Vieregge

member since: 11/10/2000
  Set your camera on the lowest f stop on aperature priority and aim it at the sky behind the subject. Make note of the shutter speed. Switch to manual setting and reset the speed. Shoot away. I usually have a looking directly at each other and then a kiss. While you have them there put her veil over his head and repeat the 2 shots. A silhouette along with normal exposure makes a nice image.

Good Luck!

8/13/2003 12:18:21 PM

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Art Gunckel

member since: 12/5/2001
  87 .  Nikon Flash Settings
I am a begining photographer and I have been asked to shoot a wedding and I am terrified that I'll screw it up. Do you have some tips and tricks about SB 28 flash settings that I can use other than doing everything on "auto"? The wedding is going to be held inside a small country church. I have a Nikon F-100 and SB-28 flash. I want to shoot most of the shots at f-8.0 unless you offer me other advice. Thanks for the help.

12/5/2001 1:22:42 PM

Irene 

member since: 7/7/2001
  I use that flash, it's a good product. Slow down your camera's shutter speed to 1/30th and the extra ambient light will make the background nicely detailed. You'll avoid that "brightly lit against everything black" look.

Good luck with the wedding.

12/6/2001 5:18:17 PM

Esther Mishkowitz

member since: 5/14/2000
  I've done parties with Fuji 800 professional film. Some say 400 is enough but I also like f8 so I use the 800. I use the flash on auto I have the N90s. Good luck. Maybe a practice shoot would be helpful.

12/9/2001 1:38:59 PM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  You shouldn't have too much trouble with an SB-28 as long as you don't try to stretch its range too far. It is more powerful than many consumer flashes.

Although Esther is right about trying to keep depth of field with a smaller aperture, I would hesitate to go as fast as 800 for a wedding. It might be OK for reception shots that are rarely enlarged beyond 4x6 or 5x7. My worry is mostly about the formal shots. It is common to have a few of them enlarged to 8x10. ISO 800 35mm film doesn't enlarge to 8x10 very well; the coarse grain will show in them.

I understand your terror about screwing up a wedding. See my wedding tutorial.

It's geared for shooting a friend's or relative's wedding, and will help you plan for it. Tailor the "Must Have" list to fit your specific wedding and what the bride/groom want. Planning is a critical success factor! If you can practice at least portions of the types of photographs you will have to do, or ones similar to them, that will help.

Good luck with the wedding, and most of all enjoy it. Shooting weddings is definitely "work" but I've found it can be fun too.

-- John

12/10/2001 12:44:34 AM

Jim Miotke
BetterPhoto Member
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Owner, BetterPhoto.com, Inc.
  Hi Art,

You will have a great time doing the wedding. One of the best traits of a wedding photographer is friendliness and ease. Since I am sure your friends feel at ease with you, this will help them enjoy the special day AND feel natural in front of the camera. All the same, DO ask as many questions as you can, read up on the tips, and go visit John Lind's excellent tutorial.

Here are a few tips, off the top of my head:

* Carry a back up everything - camera, batteries, film...
* Ask someone to help you - an "assistant" to hand you film, hold your bag, etc. comes in very handy
* Use fast film in the church if it is at all dim
* Use a tripod
* Do "reenactment" shots after the ceremony (the kiss, the rings, etc) as a safety
* Write down a list of wanted photos with the bride and groom.
* SHOOT A LOT OF IMAGES when you are there.

And lastly, relax as much as you can and enjoy the moment. Your upbeat, optimistic attitude will again help them enjoy their important day. Enjoy!

12/13/2001 2:04:06 PM

Doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  I just successfully shot a small wedding for a friend. I used Kodak Portra NC, 160-speed. It's a great film; I can count the threads in the groom's wool uniform.
Set your flash's scale to the film speed and see if the indicated f-stops fall within the range you want to use. Your lens should be fine at f5.6 as well. I found myself shooting at f16, with my particular flash on full power.

1/30 sec is fine, until somebody decides to move. Use it carefully.

12/13/2001 2:52:12 PM

Gerald Morrison

member since: 12/20/2001
  I agree with most of these guys. I shoot in manuel and f11 to ME is the better f-stop you can stay with in 8-15 feet and have a great exposure. Or shoot in shutter priority at 1/250. I also agree with 2 of EVERYTHING. Except maybe lenses but keep an extra one. You can go online and find plenty places that will give you a posing list. Don't be nervous - act like a pro and let the f100 work the show. Also I highly recommend that you get a good strobe frame - a good one where you can turn the camera vertical horizonal and the flash stays 7-12 inches above camera. Use 200-400 speed film for enlargements.

12/20/2001 2:21:42 PM

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Brian 

member since: 10/16/2001
  88 .  Exposure and Flash Settings with Weddings
Hello, I have been struggling with a problem on how to use my flash effectively in wedding photography. I have a Canon F-1 and am using a Vivitar 285 flash mounted on a bracket.

The first of several problems is when shooting outdoors, I want to add fill flash and use either the red or yellow mode on the flash with an f-stop measured from a handheld meter. In a lot of situations I try to position the people with sun at their backs but it appears that the fill flash isn't doing its job. It seems like that variable power module is measuring enough ambient light from the sun and shutting down the flash before it has time to add fill to the subject. What to do?

Also, on indoor photography, I am using the flash in red/yellow mode and several things happen. The backgrounds are usually always dark (I usually shoot at 1/60) and the brides white dress seems to loose a lot of detail. It seems that I should try to use manual mode to be in complete control but the owners manual does not seem to help me understand how to do that.

Any help including web sites, books and your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Can't seem to find info on using this flash in manual mode.

Thanks.

10/16/2001 11:40:43 AM

Jeff S. Kennedy

member since: 3/4/2002
  I am not familiar with that camera/flash combination so I can't give you specific advice regarding that. But I can say if you are using flash meter you should just set the flash to manual. Meter the background light and set your flash to the same f-stop.

To get more light into the background on the indoor shots you need to "drag" your shutter more. This means shooting at a much slower shutter speed to allow the ambient light to record. You may be shooting with shutter speeds around 1/15-1/4 depending on your film speed and the light conditions. The flash duration will be short enough to freeze movement but the long shutter speed will let the background light fill in.

10/16/2001 3:55:05 PM

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Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  89 .  Where Can I send Off my Film for Good Processing?
Ok, I have been offered to photograph a wedding in August, which I am pretty nervous. I have done 3 other wedding but not one that is this big! I'm talking hundreds and hundreds of guest. Anyway I want to do the best job I can, I have a Canon Rebel X, I only have a small flash that connects to my camera. I do have Novatron lights but that didn't seem right to lag them around. What type of film should I use and do you know anywhere that I could seen my film off to, to guarantee a good quality picture? I know I sound like I am over my head in doing this, but they keep insisting on me doing this wedding. Please help! By the way its an outside wedding and indoor reception.

6/20/2001 3:25:27 PM

Jeff S. Kennedy

member since: 3/4/2002
  If it was indoors I would say lug you Navatrons around the wedding but since it's outdoors I suggest getting some large reflectors (foamcore comes in 4x8 sheets). For the reception you might consider lugging the Novatrons. Ideally, it would be nice to have radio slaves for the Novatrons. You can place them in the reception hall and bounce them off of the walls to illuminate the place. The film to use is Kodak Portra. I would use the Portra 160NC for the outdoor stuff and 400VC for the indoor stuff. Check around your area for professional portrait labs. I have also heard good things about A&I. I think they have several locations and handle film on a national basis. I live in Oregon and use K&K Color Lab in Portland. They do a good job.

6/20/2001 6:46:47 PM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  Jeff, thanks for the quick response. I live in Alabama where there is no real "professional" portait labs. So if you don't mind can you please email the K&K Color Lab's address or maybe phone number. Do you trust mailing the negatives all the way to Oregon from here? And this Portra film, does your regular stores have this? All I have ever seen around here is Kodak regular film. But I may can go to a bigger city and get that but yes I would like to have that address please. :) And are you saying put the Novatrons, just somewhere to bounce off, not to place them like a photo shoot right? If I pull this off I will be a super hero. Thanks so much....

6/20/2001 8:23:21 PM

Jeff S. Kennedy

member since: 3/4/2002
  As far as labs go check out the following links: aandi.com
kkcolorlab.com
Note that K&K requires you to set up an account with them. If this is a one time deal they may not be able to help you. I would contact them if you are interested and see if they will work with you. Yes, Portra film is a professional film so you will likely have to find a large camera store to buy some. Or you can order it from B&H

Space the Novatrons equally around the room and bounce them off of large white walls and ceilings to get even light. If you pull this off you will be a hero but remember if you don't... is it worth it.

6/20/2001 8:42:34 PM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  Thanks for your help. And wish me LUCK!

6/20/2001 8:46:30 PM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Brandie,

Agree completely with Jeff's film recommendations. Are there any independent portrait/wedding photographers near you? Look in the phone book for them if you need to. If so, call and ask them where they send their film for developing and proof printing. That's how I found out who the reliable pro labs were when I moved to a small city in the middle of rural Indiana. Nearly all will share this information with you. A good pro wedding photog won't trust the film or printing to a consumer lab (especially a one-hour). Most I know are pretty finicky about the pro lab they use as it affects the bottom line of their business!

-- John

6/21/2001 11:20:40 PM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  John,
There are only a few independent photographers in this town. I went to one and I have already ruled them out. Most 1 hour photo labs are better than their pictures. I asked them a few questions on their lighting and processing but they didn't give me much. I guess they don't want the competition. ha. But have you ever heard of a Wolf Camera? I called them yesterday and asked about their pricing and processing so I think I'm going to try them out. They are an hour and half away though. But thanks for your concern.

Brandie

6/22/2001 10:57:26 AM

HAI 

member since: 1/5/2001
  Brandie,
Try not to do it because you are limited on equiptment and it is not easy to be a wedding photographer. Tell them to hire a pro if they can but if you have to take this shoot, here is what you might want to try:

1. Be very careful with your Rebel when shooting receptions, set your lens on M (manual) focus mode becauce the autofocus on this camera is not that great. You don't want to wait, wait, wait and miss some inportant pictures

2. Try Fuji films - NPH 400 set @320 and Reala for outdoor

3. indoors, try to set your Rebel on M mode (not Green) mode and shoot at 1/60 f8 or f5.6. You need a good TTL flash unit.

4. Relax... have fun shooting...

I agree with John and Jeff about processing. That is all I know I hope some one there correct me if I 'm wrong because I'm just a 35mm repair tech, not a photographer.
Good luck!!!

6/22/2001 5:00:54 PM

Gail Hammer
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/17/2001
  Hi Brandie,

I am a photographer who has done about 12 weddings in the last few years and always with a 35mm. camera. I just did an outdoor/indoor one and was really pleased with the results as were the bride & groom. In fact, they were thrilled. I did not lug around tons of equipment - I used Fuji NPH 400 and set the ASA at 200 (giving it slightly more exposure). I kept my flash on the camera at all times outdoors using it as a fill. When I got indoors I kept my flash on the camera and used a Lumiquest bounce. I was able to put the camera I was using (Minolta Maxuum 7000) on program and when I used my other camera which is a manual camera I just used my Vivitar 285 flash at one of the modes, set my f-stop to match the flash mode, my speed at X-synch and everything worked out beautifully. Try to do your group shots outdoors if possible (it's easier) but if it rains and you have to go inside, in my opinion all you need as far as equipment is your flash off camera bouncing into an umbrella - keep the flash & umbrella stand high and behind you. Good luck. Oh yeah - if you can bring a friend along to assist you it will help you stay organized and calm.

Gail Hammer

6/27/2001 12:35:22 PM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  Gail,
Thanks for the advice, I am taking just the bride's portraits at the location this Friday in her dress. I found out if you take these pictures on a seperate day you have more time to work with the bride. Plus, the bride always wants lots of pictures of her in her gown. With my wedding, my photographer took my pictures two weeks before the wedding and I loved them. Then she came and did my wedding and none - I repeat none - turned out. I was devestated. But I still had the pictures she had took before. So in my standpoint, I'm doing the right thing. Just in case. I really appreciate all the response I have received, I'm getting more confident every day. Thanks again!

6/27/2001 2:01:55 PM

Neal Olroyd

member since: 8/23/2001
  Hi Brandie,

I don't mean to enter the fray late or sound like a commercial, but I have had many fantastic experiences with Ivey-Seright based in Seattle, WA. If I were in your shoes I'd go with these pros. I live in Portland as well and have found that the level of service at our local shops is good Ivey-Seright blows them out of the water. Enjoy yourself!

8/23/2001 1:45:29 PM

Jim Miotke
BetterPhoto Member
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Owner, BetterPhoto.com, Inc.
  Neal, Just wanted to let you know that Ivey has been sold and is called something else now. Don't know if the quality is still the same...

Brandie, how did the wedding go?

8/24/2001 1:59:20 AM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  Hey everybody! This weddings are over and it was a huge task. But I did make it thru. The first wedding was indoors and everything went smooth, the second wedding was outdoors and it was beautiful but lengthy! I got the 400VC for outside and 160NC for inside. I sent them off to a professional lab in Birmingham, Al. After waiting patiently for 2 weeks I get a phone call telling me that 2 rolls of film was destroyed by there machine. And they couldn't tell me who's it was, all I knew was it was part of the reception and some of the wedding. My heart was crushed so I had to wait until they mailed them to me to find out. They replaced the film and gave me certificates for my next film processing (like I'm going to send them anymore). But they couldn't replace the memories that was destroyed for the bride. When they came in it was the first weddings pictures. She was very understanding but still that's not good business. But over all I say they turned out pretty. For the outside wedding, you couldn't have found any better photographer than what I did. I was so proud. Thanks for all the support that everyone has given to me.

8/29/2001 3:12:02 PM

Sherry A. Reid

member since: 11/28/2002
  Hi Brandie; I live in Birmingham AL, or real close.. Did you send your film to Wolf? Anyway, I too shot and have done a few weddings; Where are you out of? Do you do this as a hobbie; or as a sole type of income?

Sherry
Sherry.Reid@charter.net

11/28/2002 11:00:00 PM

Brandie Sanders

member since: 5/15/2001
  Sherry, Yes I have sent my film to Wolf in Homewood for a wedding and they destroyed two rolls of film of mine. They did replace blank film and a coupon for film developing but that doesn't replace the moments lost for that bride and groom so I no longer send my film to Wolf. I only take pictures on weekends so I guess I do it for a hobby. My husband built me a studio upstairs so I don't have to leave my home to take indoor pictures. But I would love to do this for a living but I really need to take a few classes, but for a new comer I think I really do good photos. I am out of Northwest Alabama, Haleyville. My studio is over on Quarter Creek. Have you ever heard of it? Well thanks for your input.

12/2/2002 9:56:23 AM

Sherry A. Reid

member since: 11/28/2002
  I've not heard of Quarter Creek; But I have heard of Haleyville. Good luck to you. I too do it as a hobby for now. It is fun. I am attempting to make more of it; but it takes time and money. Of which I need both. Have a great day!
Sherry.Reid@charter.net

12/2/2002 11:00:32 AM

David H. Clukey

member since: 7/27/2003
  Consider R&K Photo in Auburn, WA for your processing. In my experience there is no better lab in the Seattle area. Every roll is hand processed, and each image optimized for quality. A roll of 36 4x6 proofs will run you around $20 bucks, but you won't be sorry you paid the price when you see the prints. Family owned, operated...one of the few labs that still has pride in their product.

7/27/2003 3:32:10 PM

Mary E. Heinz
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/23/2005
  R&K sounds like a good place to go from
your description...I'm so new/ I even
feel "green" on the inside! Have only
done one wedding and am nervous about
the "indoor" dark room images...
The ones from "getting ready" are
pretty good....background wasn't too
great but I did well with the setting/
and my first time...

Can someone briefly help me understand
how to bounce the flash to right or
left of subject next time and not
use direct flash indoors?

I have been encouraged to use "mpix"
for my orders......I am finding though
that you need to purchase the "scans"
and then create your own album for a
cd of the images...

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Roland Towey

member since: 5/28/2001
  90 .  Wedding Photography
Hi, I have been volunteered to photograph a friend's wedding. I have a Nikon F70 and a range of lenses (Nikon 28-80mm D, Sigma 28-200 D). I have also just purchased a 70-300mm manual Clubman and I have a 135mm Carl Zeiss Jena manual.

When taking wide angle photos, the Sigma 28-200 distorts the image on the right hand side of the photo. Is this common with lenses?

Can you please give me any advice on which of these lenses will be best on the wedding day? Is the 135mm Carl Zeiss a particularily good lens for portraits or should I use the other lenses at the 135mm setting? Because these two lenses are manual, are they at a disadvantage in this situation compared to autofocus lenses? If so, which lenses would you recommend.

Which filters are best for the occasion? I have a warm up lens to fit the 135mm and a cross screen to fit the 70-300. Is this a portrait enhancing filter?

I will be taking some indoor photos using flash (Cobra 700AF Nikon dedicated). What is your advice on diffusers, etc.? Regards, Roland Towey.

5/28/2001 1:45:47 PM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Roland,
Doing weddings is not easy, nor is it for the timid, meek or "faint of heart." Been there; done them.

The most important aspect of shooting a wedding is planning . . . which it looks like you've started to do . . . but there's more to it than you might think.

Second most important, but not by much, is the KISS principle (Keep it Simple!). I used a single 50mm lens on a manual focus camera body for all but the formal portraiture which was done using an 80mm lens on an M645 medium format (standard focal length for MF). There's no reason you cannot use a manual focus camera. There's also no reason you cannot do everything with 35mm film format. I just happen to have medium format gear.

Third, and part of your question asks about this, is lighting (flash). In most churches, synogogues, and reception halls you need a lot of it; shooting distances will be farther and the light must fill a larger space than the average amateur is accustomed to.

This topic is enough to fill a book. After doing a cousin's wedding I started writing a tutorial for the amateur who, for one reason or another, will be shooting a wedding. If Jim will forgive me for posting it, here is a link to the 80% completed tutorial.

-- John

5/28/2001 3:04:25 PM

Jim Miotke
BetterPhoto Member
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Owner, BetterPhoto.com, Inc.
  Of course I don't mind - I think you have earned a link or two :)

5/28/2001 3:34:38 PM

Roland Towey

member since: 5/28/2001
  Thanks John.
I am in process of printing off your tutorial. You have a knack of answering the questions I have even before you knew what I was going to ask them. Anyone reading this should click on to John's tutorial. Nothing else to read except good (but incomplete) pages. (Hurry up & finish them before my assingment. PLEASE.) Seriously John, GREAT PAGE. THANKS. Roland Towey

5/28/2001 5:23:44 PM

Robert  Torrence

member since: 5/20/2001
  Hey Roland. John is right - K.I.S. (keep it simple). I would only take the Nikon 28-80mm lens and the 135mm just in case you should be able to shoot the entire wedding with the Nikon. Looks like the best glass you have. It will give you wide shots (for group), and almost portrait. The secret to doing a good wedding is the light and film. Get the best light you can rent or have to go along with auto focus. Now for film use the Kodak 160 Portra; it has a 4 stop latitude over or under so you will get a photo no matter what.
Good Shooting
Mr.T

5/29/2001 12:06:10 AM

Gail Hammer
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 5/17/2001
  Finally some down to earth advice about shooting weddings! I have done about 12 weddings in the past couple of years. Luckily I have not done anything terrible while learning on the job. I bought lots of books on the subject, took a course and then proceeded to photograph weddings in a very natural way - using black & white film as well as colour. I liked to capture all the moments of the day but kept in mind that family group type shots are still popular. My cameras are not medium format nor top of the line auto focus but they are kept well maintained on a regular basis. Many wedding photographers would have you believe that you cannot be a wedding photographer unless you are using a Haselblad. I have learned that if the photographs are well focussed, colour (if using colour) is vibrant, and you capture as much of the wedding photographically as you can manage you will have very happy customers. They can relive their wedding (having missed about 80% of what went on that day!). I have always believed that it's not the camera, it's the creative vision of the photographer. I have added the tutorial to my bookmarks because it doesn't make me feel inadequate equipment-wise!

Gail

6/14/2001 6:51:20 PM

Roland Towey

member since: 5/28/2001
  Hi,i have just photographed the wedding I was asking advise on.Thank you to all the people who responded.I can recommend reading the tutorial you advised,very clear and concise.Your recomendation to shoot Kodak porta 160,spot on.Great skin tones.I am lucky because there are 3 professional photographers locally who also d&p,at prices just slightly more expensive than one hour sevice.These 2 things together have made good shoots great.The only disappoitments where a few of my indoor photos.because I was under pressure,i shoot before flashgun was fully charged.But this only ruined 5-6.photos.In fact 2-3 underexposed photos look quite good.3 of the photos I took are probably amongst my best portraite I have taken yet.I would highly suggest use of bracketing,i bracketed -1to +1.[as suggested for print] this ruled out most exposure problems.So when using flash you have to be patient,because that rushed shot will probably be a waste.Better to wait,what seems minutes is only seconds.One more problem was tungsten lightning at reception,it caused colour cast on 3-4 photos.So if you can check out lighting beforehand, you can save yourself some grief.At first I was a bit shy tring to organise people,where & how I wanted them. On these photos subjects attention was not towards camera,in most cases not the best shot.So take charge early on.Ask bestman & bridesmaid,to assist.But even after these few glitches I thourougly enjoyed it.I have learnt a great amount.I did a lot of reading including your excellent tutorial,of which I am very greatful.But there is nothing like the experience.As I previously wrote,it showed in my very satifactoy results.THANKS ALL.Regards Roland

7/6/2001 4:15:31 PM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Roland,
I'm very pleased for you that it worked out well. A wedding shoot can be stressful until the negatives are back safely with acceptable proofs that show there weren't any serious gaffes. Also glad the tutorial was able to help you prepare.

Just a month ago I was approached to shoot another wedding about two weeks before the event. I declined and offered the names of a couple local professionals. Told him to call me if they could not be booked. Fortunately one of them was available.

Went as a guest and did take a camera. Shot a roll of film with a strategy to create something unique for them. Used a very old 35mm rangefinder with a flash handle (a.k.a. potato masher) much like a photojournalist would have used about 40 years ago. Shot ISO 400 B/W negatives with it, taking care to keep out of the way of their photographer. The result looks much like old newspaper photography. The style of lighting is offset from directly above the lens, which does create some shadows. The trick with this is knowing where the shadows will fall and composing with them in mind. Normally wouldn't use this type of lighting. An idea for you if you go to another wedding as a guest, not the "official" photographer, but still want to make some photographs for them.

An ancient RF isn't required (just happened to have one and it was the one body without film in it). Nor is a flash handle (helps with the lighting style if you know how to avoid its pitfalls). B/W isn't that common though and that's the primary effect. If you do this, use a lower contrast film such as Tri-X and avoid having it printed on high contrast paper (loses shadows and/or blows out the whites).

-- John

7/7/2001 1:10:35 AM

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