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Looking for macro photography flowers tips? Do you like to take close up pictures? Take a look at this discussion and this helpful article by Tony Sweet: Fine Art Flower Photography: Creative Techniques. Or consider taking Kerry Drager's Details and Close-ups online photography course.

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Jaymes R. Stuart

member since: 12/11/2001
  51 .  What Should I Stick on My Bellows?
Stimulated by the close-up capabilities of my Oly 3000 digital, I rummaged around in my Fred Filmstone shoebox and dug up a rather dusty Minolta Bellows.

Lord knows why I bought it (circa 1980) but the bellows material is still lightproof and the knobs still work, which is, I suppose, about all you want in a bellows.

Next, I tracked down an SRT 101 which had been sitting in a local camera shop since the Reagan Administration. This clunky thing has a mirror lock, self-timer, DOF preview, a bright viewfinder and it's massively cheap, which is, I suppose, about all you can want in an SLR for macro work.

However.......digging further into my collection I found the only Minolta lens I own is a 45mm Rokkor, which seems to focus only when the front element is actually trying to nudge the tiny little thing I want to photograph.

So my question is: got camera, got bellows, got tripod, no got lens. What should I stick on the front of this contraption so it doesn't crush little bugs and flowers: 55, 50, 100? What if I whip the little 45 on backwards?


Jaymes

12/13/2001 1:59:22 AM

Peter Strazds

member since: 6/29/2001
  I have a set up about as old as the one you are describing. I use a Pentax Spotmatic, 1969, plus bellows and a Novoflex 105 mm. short mount lens, specifically made for bellows, plus a double cable release. I think your Minolta bellows are of the automatic type that don't need a double cable release so you are better off. I am very happy with this gear. Peter Strazds

12/22/2001 7:14:13 AM

Doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  I'm dealing with these same issues with Canon stuff. The bellows does the same thing for you as extension tubes, just with more flexibility. As long as you have the bellows and the body, you can use any Minolta lens reversed on the bellows. KEH.com has exactly the reversing ring you need ($13), as long as the threads on the front of the lens are 49 mm. Canon recommends using their 50-mm f 1.4 for this for some reason, but a Minolta 50 in manual focus is really cheap these days. Since a reversed lens can't couple with the camera, you'd set your aperture first, then meter. You'll be dealing with some amazingly slow shutter speeds, so use a tripod and lock up the mirror before exposure.

3/13/2002 8:48:58 AM

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Pamela p. Hyman

member since: 10/30/2001
  52 .  Reflected Flowers, Bees, Etc. in Raindrops
I saw a photo of a rain drop and in it was the reflection of flowers and bees it was fantastic. What kind of camara would I need for that?

10/30/2001 8:25:26 AM

Jeff S. Kennedy

member since: 3/4/2002
  The question really isn't what kind of camera do you need but what kind of lens. Most any 35mm SLR will work. To get shots that close up you need a macro lens and some extension tubes. Go to the bookstore and look at books regarding macro photography.

10/30/2001 3:49:04 PM

RG Rottschalk
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member since: 1/27/2004
 
 
 
This response is a cople years after the question but even the cheaper cameras with good lenses can capture that kind of macro in a $200 package. I'v attached one of mine taken with a Nikon Coolpix 2100.

1/30/2004 9:16:44 AM

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Laura Johnson

member since: 10/4/2001
  53 .  Best Aperture and Shutter for Macro Work
I have noticed that movement is more pronounced (or at least I notice it more) when I shoot in macro mode... I would normally shoot with a smaller f-stop to blur the background, but could I use a faster shutter speed, say 500 or 1000 to compensate for the wind?

10/8/2001 8:22:37 AM

Jacque Staskon

member since: 9/12/2001
  Hi, when you are working in the macro mode everything becomes more noticeable. First make sure you are using a cable release and a sturdy tripod and pray to the gods to ease the wind. Focus carefully and use your depth of field preview button to see exactly what will be in or out of focus. You will need all the depth of field you can get and depending on which lens you are using, f16 or 22 or 32 will be necessary. Raising your shutter speed to 500 or 1000 will give you less depth of field not more. A shutter speed of 125 will stop the breeze. I find that shooting in early morning or late afternoon when the winds die down helps. You can even make a wind break out of pvc pipe and white muslin. This has the added advantage of becoming a light diffuser as well. Good luck.

10/10/2001 9:57:34 AM

Laura Johnson

member since: 10/4/2001
  Thanks Jacque - that makes sense.

10/10/2001 10:07:06 AM

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Angela M. Griffin

member since: 9/2/2001
  54 .  Do You Need a Special Macro Lens for Macro Work?
I am new to macro photography. I am wanting to buy a lens that I can photograph flowers and insects very close up. Does a lens have to be specified as "macro" for this type of work, or is a 200mm lens the same as a 200mm macro lens? Also which focal length would be best for the type of work I described above? I also want to photograph slightly larger objects, such as leaves and fruit, etc.

9/2/2001 7:54:11 PM

John A. Lind
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member since: 9/27/2001
  Angela,
A 200mm prime lens is a telephoto lens, and will typically focus down to about 5-6 feet. This is different from a 200mm Macro lens which allows even closer focusing, about 2.5 feet and maybe even closer.

Field macros are usually done using a long lens between 80mm and 135mm, occasionally a little longer at 180mm or 200mm, or a little shorter at 50mm. I have done them using lenses as short as 24mm and 18mm, but that is very special work, and requires great care in setting it up very, very close using a very short extension tube. The reason for the longer lenses? They allow farther standoff from the subject for the same level of magnification.

For insects, fruit and leaves, I suggest starting with an 80mm to 90mm lens and a set of extension tubes of at least two lengths, about 12mm and 25mm, if you system has them available. You can stack extension tubes, but usually no more than two, sometimes three. How many depends on the tubes, who makes them and the size/weight of the lens that will be used also.

The Canon EOS system has two tubes (12mm and 25mm). The Nikon AF system has an extension tube also. Kenko makes tubes for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Minolta AF systems. Tubes were made for older, manual focus systems by the original OEM, and Vivitar still makes sets for them (the Vivitar is a sturdy one with three tubes: 12mm, 21mm and 36mm).

You will also need a sturdy tripod. At the high magnification levels of macro work, it becomes very difficult to hand hold without camera shake blurring the image and depth of field becomes very shallow making accurate focusing critical.

The next paragraphs describe how macros are measured and the several methods for doing them.

Magnification is the real measure of macro work. It is the ratio of the subject size _on_film_ (not on the print) to actual subject size. A 1:1 or life-size will be life-size on the film. A true macro lens (versus close-up or close focus) will let you get at least 1:4 (1/4 life-size) or larger.

There are three standard methods for doing macros:
a. Auxiliary "diopter" lenses that screw onto the front of a lens (sometimes called close-up "filters" but they are not really filters). Most of these are OK but not the best optically, especially the inexpensive ones with only a single lens element. The more expensive two-element ones are much better but as expensive as extension tubes, which are usually still better optically.
b. Extension tubes that go between a lens and the camera body. These move the entire lens focusing range closer. The length of the tube compared to the focal length of the lens determines how much closer you can get and the level of magnification you can achieve. They are better optically than auxiliary diopter lenses as there is no glass in them, especially if used with an excellent prime lens with little or no aberration or distortion. Extremely close work with very high magnification can be had with a bellows extension (even longer than tubes) but they are rarely used outdoors. This is part of the tradeoff with longer focal length to get greater standoff distance. A longer tube is needed to get the same magnification level. A 50mm lens at infinity focus needs a 25mm tube for 1:2 magnification. A 100mm lens will have 1:2 magnification at twice the subject distance, but requires 50mm of extension to achieve it.
c. A true macro lens which is specifically designed and optimized for much closer focusing than a normal one to get at least 1:4 magnification, sometimes 1:2. These are typically more expensive and slower, but they are also usually the best optically, especially the primes (non-zoom). For even higher magnification you can add extension tubes to them just as you would a normal lens.

How much magnification you need depends on subject size and how much you want to fill the film frame with it. For small insects, this could be between 1:2 to 1:1, or half life-size to life-size (a 35mm film frame is about 1" x 1.5"). For larger insects such as a preying mantis or grasshopper, 1:4 to 1:3 magnification would fill the film frame. For flowers and leaves, it depends on the size of the flower blossom and how much of it you want in the frame. A single African violet blossom could require 1:1 whereas a cluster of them requires less, perhaps 1:4. OTOH, an oak leaf or an orange may only need 1:6 magnification.

Think about the size of the objects you want to photograph and compare this to the size of a film frame (35mm: about 1" x 1.5"). This will tell you the magnification levels you need. You can then sort out how much magnification a "macro" lens must provide (by looking at various lens specs), or figure out how much extension tube you need with a normal lens of a particular focal length.

-- John

9/3/2001 1:36:30 AM

Ken B

member since: 4/29/2001
  John,
I'm in the same situation as Angela. I have an interest in flowers, still-lifes, etc. I'm probably going to over-simplify things, but here goes. I have the Canon EOS Rebel 2000. My Canon 28-80mm f3.5-5.6 lens has a marking which shows the macro, or close-up, mode symbol and 0.38m/1.3ft. Does this mean that I can use this lens for macro photography and get as close as 1.3 feet? It is not technically a macro lens. I also have a Canon 75-300mm f4-5.6 lens with the same symbol and 1.5m/4.9ft distances.

I was going to buy Canon's 50mm f1.4 prime lens for this work, but in doing some research I find that most photographers use macro lenses for the specific things I'm interested in, usually 105mm, or similar. Canon makes a 100mm f2.8 macro (1:1) that sounds like what I need. I have also seen a Vivitar 100mm f3.5 macro (1:2) that does 1:1 with an included adapter for much less money.

Can the same results be obtained with either the 100mm macro or the 50mm prime, or even with what I have already? If I should buy, I would rather buy the 50mm as I think I'd get much more general use out of it, but I want my still-lifes and flowers to be of excellent quality, so I'm definitely open to buying both. Thanks.

9/21/2001 2:30:56 AM

Doug Nelson
DougNelsonPhoto.com

member since: 6/14/2001
  Ken, for the kind of quality you're talking about here, I'd go with a 90 to 105 macro lens.

You could save some money here by locating a good manual focus 100-mm macro lens, and then buy a manual focus body and dedicate it to macro. You don't need autofocus with macro, anyway.

Look for a 90-mm Vivitar Series 1 macro. If you're lucky enough to find one, buy a body brand that fits. The thing has legendary sharpness. See cameraquest.com for Steve's comments on Vivitar macros. Later, find a 50 macro on ebay.

3/12/2002 8:02:24 AM

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Sanjay 

member since: 8/18/2001
  55 .  Macro Photography and Mirror Lock-up
I am planning to buy the Nikon N80 for macrophotography. Since it does not have mirror lock-up, I am worried about the quality of pictures. Please comment if my worry is justified, and whether I should look for another camera like the Canon Elan 7 for just this feature.

8/18/2001 3:31:07 AM

John A. Lind
BetterPhoto Member

member since: 9/27/2001
  Sanjay,
MLU (mirror lock-up) is a concern for very long lenses (longer than 300mm) and very high magnification macros with long shutter speeds. My macros are, at most, in the 1:4 to 1:2 range (1/4 to 1/2 life-size _on_the_film_). Even though I have one body with MLU, and can pre-fire the mirror (and lens stop-down) with two others using the self-timer, not using the MLU has never caused any problems. It may become more important at 1:1 and higher magnification. Associated with this is using a very sturdy tripod to hold camera and lens, and taking care that it's set up properly to preclude shake from it.

If you are going to do a lot of 1:4 to 1:1 and higher magnification macro work, especially with 85mm and longer lenses, extension tubes, and/or bellows, then it is a definite consideration.

-- John

8/18/2001 3:15:16 PM

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Jeff Fulks

member since: 6/8/2001
  56 .  Flash and Macro with Sony DSC-P1 Digital Camera
In low light would it be best to turn off the flash to capture the photo or leave on? Needless to say, I am very new to this.

Also, what would you use the macro settings for? I saw a beautiful shot in macro but think I could do the same on regular setting.

8/15/2001 2:09:27 PM

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