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MaryAnne Benusis
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  31 .  Contests
I have seen wonderful (just my opinion) and amazing photos (my opinion only) over looked. And I have seen photos that lack imagination, resemble mass produced greeting cards, simple and blurry etc photos celebrated as contest winners. (simply my opinion).

Are contest winners only considered if they have taken BP photography courses?

thank you for your time

12/19/2013 3:04:37 AM

  Nope, I don't think so. I have yet to take a class and have been fortunate to get a few badges over the years and I happen to live on the other side of World too.

And also I do get inspired from all the Winners, some more than the others, but all are badge worthy (just my opinion).

UB.

12/19/2013 6:20:51 AM

  I also have never taken any classes and through the years have won several times and had many finalists. It is a mystery to us how they do the picking...it's just a contest, it isn't like we actually win anything anymore...back when I joined BP was free and you could win a years membership if you got a 2nd place,a camera bag for 1st place and a deluxe website if you got a grand prize winner..

12/19/2013 8:42:40 AM

Ken Smith
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  MaryAnne, similar to Usman and Jill, I have not taken any classes and have gotten some finalists and gold medals. Likewise, I know of others that have taken 5+ classes, without getting many finalists or gold medals.

12/19/2013 10:29:29 AM

  I agreement with Usman, Jill and Ken. Have never taken a class and received Gold, finalist and POTD. In my opinion the Judges are doing great at picking the winners and finalists. To me they are always well worth the awards they received.

12/19/2013 12:49:16 PM

  I have not taken any classes, either, and I've got a few 2nd places, lots of finalists and a couple of staff favorites. Still, I've noticed that a lot has changed this year: e.g. in the beginning of 2013 I got editors' picks for almost every image, while so far, I've got only 2 for November and none for December. Also, I agree that some badge winning photos are not very original and/or creative and some are not techically perfect but, on the other hand, some are...

12/19/2013 1:24:57 PM

  Same here. Never any classes and yet I've had a lot of finalists and some winners, too. Definitely the courses have nothing to do with it.
We would all agree with you that many great images are passed over and some that maybe aren't so great move on to gold, but as they always say, it's all subjective.

12/19/2013 5:31:20 PM

  I am so thankful to read that feedback.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post!

Happy Holidays!

12/21/2013 9:03:27 AM

  I was wondering the same thing and am glad to see the responses. I have won several EPs and a couple of 2nd places but nothing lately. The judging has definitely changed but can't see any rhyme or reason. While I see many wonderful photos being selected I do notice the same thing...that many seem to be blurry, have lots of noise, are over saturated, have poor composition, etc.. I don't want to criticize and give credit to anyone who even enters the contests but something is definitely wrong. I haven't spoken up until now because I didn't want to sound like "sour grapes". I realize that everyone always has room for improvement and it helps us to strive to get better and better no matter how good we are at our craft but it would also help to know why excellent photos are passed over. Is there something we are missing? I am wondering if there is a change in staff ...maybe fewer staff to judge or less experienced. Oh well.

1/19/2014 7:00:12 PM

  I have taken many classes and have only won three finalist awards in four years and Editor's Picks but those have become few and far between. I haven't been able to figure out why the change so if someone can explain it, I'd appreciate it.

1/21/2014 8:40:25 PM

  Thanks Betty Ann.

1/19/2014 7:00:12 PM:
I agree. "maybe fewer staff to judge or less experience"

12/19/2013 8:42:40 AM
I have heard the same, but it no longer happens.

Now I have won badges and am a finalist (but of all the photos I have posted - they not my best shots by far)

2/1/2014 11:21:29 AM

  Thanks Jill.

12/19/2013 8:42:40 AM

"I joined BP was free and you could win a years membership if you got a 2nd place,a camera bag for 1st place and a deluxe website if you got a grand prize winner.."

Good to know.


2/1/2014 11:24:23 AM

  Hi MaryAnne. I've never taken a class through BP but I did sign up for a web site last year. I've had 2nd place winner, a few POTD and many finalists. No rhyme or reason to the judging this past year. I rarely had an entry without an EP and now I receive just a few per month. My personal rule of thumb is that I only enter what I think deserves at least and EP.

2/15/2014 4:41:27 AM

  Since posting my question I have have had quite a few recognitions. It's so funny because I sell my work in art galleries that I as starting to think that maybe my work was too artistic compared to others here.


thanks for your response.

2/15/2014 7:31:00 AM

  I was also worried because I do not do staged photos. Most of my photos are dynamic. I was seeing a lot of what I consider typical photos eg. a baby in a hand and forearm - an over used concept. I curate and I like to see and create photos that make people want to look at them for more than a glance. A photo that is not obvious in a single moment.

I was considering moving to a different site.

But things have changed the more I participate in explaining my purpose, my love of irony, my intentions and my mantra, the more I have been understood.

2/15/2014 7:42:22 AM

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Christopher J. Budny
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  32 .  November Countdown
Season's Greetings! May your holidays be filled with warmth and joy, and just hopefully, a few BP medals thrown in ;)

This monthly thread is intended to let us share our one favorite image from our entries last month -- November. Your personal favorite, or maybe your most hopeful, or your proudest photographic achievement that month, etc.; perhaps it isn't always the image that you *think* might potentially go on to Finalist or better, and it may not be an image the BP Judges are drawn to! It isn't about predicting a Finalist/Winner (although that's a fun trick when it happens here!); it is about sharing your personal best/favorite image.

So give your favorite a showcase here, tell us why you picked it, and join us in the countdown... Best of luck to everyone in the November contest results!

++++++++++++++++++
Some helpful hints for attaching photos into a BP Forum Thread, if you're unfamiliar with the process:

1) Sign into BP. IF YOU HAVEN'T entered the Contest for today, you can use the "Photo ID" method to pull an existing image (from your Member Center) into your Reply here. This avoids a duplicate image upload to your Member Center. Note the Photo ID# of the image you wish to include here (visible in your Member Center) then return to this thread, click Respond, enter the text of your reply, and choose "1" from the images-to-attach drop-down (even though you won't actually be uploading a file.) Click Submit; at the next screen, populate the "Photo ID" field shown over at the right. Skip the other text fields on that screen, check the boxes at the bottom, and Submit.

2) IF YOU HAVE ALREADY entered the Contest for today, you can't use the Photo ID method *today*. Either wait until tomorrow to reply here first, or upload a copy of the image (from your PC) and attach to this thread. This produces a duplicate image in your Member Center; however, you don't have to make that duplicate visible in your Gallery.

If you're uploading a duplicate, I suggest titling it "For Forum" so it stands out in your Member Center, for easier housecleaning later on. This can also help nudge BP viewers to go find the original image in your gallery, if they want to leave a comment. Likewise, if you want to add a comment to a photo seen here, first try to tell if it is a duplicate upload. As a courtesy, try to find the original image in the member's gallery and leave your comment there instead of on the duplicate... which may one day be deleted.

12/17/2013 5:46:40 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Fjords of Chicago
Fjords of Chicago
Playing around with another image of the Aqua Tower in Chicago. The undulating balconies, different on
every floor, reminded me (when viewed at this steep upward angle) of a topographical map, suggesting
rolling hills, or a constructed landscape viewed from "above and at an angle." Windows then,
reflecting blue sky, became lakes or fjords within the hills. (I tinted them all a sky blue to heighten the effect.)
 
 
I enjoyed a wonderful photography visit to Chicago in October, which formed the basis of most of my November entries. I was slightly obsessed with this hotel/condo tower...!

12/17/2013 5:50:05 AM

 
 
  n a t u r a l
n a t u r a l

Thanks for looking!

~People~

 
 
Hi Chris...:) Thanks for hosting this again... I didn't get my Nov. entries copied before it changed over to Dec. so I'm going completely by memory here... I guess I'll chose this as my fav. Love this one, Emy's so natural here..:) And as much as she hates her freckles... I love them..:)

Merry Christmas all!!!

12/17/2013 9:30:14 AM

 
 
  Mama's Girls
Mama's Girls
 
 
Merry Christmas to all! And, a Happy New Year too!

12/17/2013 2:29:47 PM

 
 
  The Shining
The Shining
 
 
I'm just taking a wild guess, since we don't have even any EPs this far into the month. I like this one a lot, though.

12/17/2013 2:39:12 PM

 
 
  The Pinnacle
The Pinnacle
 
 
This is my fave from November. Good luck everyone!

12/18/2013 2:46:24 AM

 
 
  Picnic By The Water
Picnic By The Water
 
 
This is my favorite image from November. It rarely rains here in the Mojave desert, but when I shot this image, we had record rainfall that lasted for weeks, flooding many areas. I took a drive to the Littlerock Dam which normally doesn't have alot of water in it and found picnic tables out in the water...Probably something I will not ever see again!

12/19/2013 11:25:39 PM

 
 
  Last to Fall
Last to Fall
 
 
My favorite image of the month from my own entries is the one from the past season. Good luck to you all.

UB.

12/20/2013 12:54:22 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Some very nice favorites in there---best of luck to you all!

12/20/2013 5:23:01 AM

Pat Harry
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BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
Remembering Fallen Journalists
Remembering Fallen Journalists
 
 
I'm doubtful any of my November entries will advance, but I think this is my favorite.

12/20/2013 8:21:28 AM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Pat,

I think the composition is moving and wonderful. Good job! Congrats!

Jane

12/20/2013 11:58:19 AM

 
 
  Art Deco Triptych #1
Art Deco Triptych #1
Architectural detail from inside the Durham Museum in Omaha, Nebraska
Category: Elements of Design
 
 
I'll go with this triptych which is not a presentation BP favors. It actually did get an EP, though, which is more than you can say for 2/3 of my entries so far LOL

12/22/2013 6:47:53 AM

  Beautiful images that you have selected. Best of luck in that these will receive a nod ahead in the process today. I am not entering much anymore so not going to select one but still love to see your works. Still loving to shoot but the site/competition has lost the fun for me.

12/27/2013 6:26:04 AM

Pat Harry
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  Reflecting on Saturn 5
Reflecting on Saturn 5
From the Smithsonian Space and Air Museum
 
 
I posted my favorite, but I'm changing my mind. :) This one is odd, but I think it is my favorite.

12/27/2013 11:53:05 AM

  I am thinking the next two days are going to be filled with activity. Best of luck to all of you.

12/29/2013 4:30:57 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Nikki,

Has anyone heard about staff favorites or finalist given out yet?

Thanks,

Jane

12/29/2013 4:36:00 PM

  None here - hope springs eternal :)

12/29/2013 4:38:38 PM

 
 
 
I am hoping that my entry "Once" advances. Good luck everyone! :)

12/29/2013 8:02:53 PM

  Winners announcement on Jan 1 will bring wide smiles to many to mark the start of another New Year. Fingers crossed!!

UB.

12/29/2013 9:05:09 PM

 
 
  Small NYC
Small NYC

2 Sec - f/4 - ISO 400 - 19mm
Canon 5D Mk III - Canon 17-40mm f/4.0L
 
 
Only three entered for me in November (only one so far in Dec). This is my favorite.

12/29/2013 9:08:02 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Looks like another late set of results... Perhaps even running into January. (Which if I recall, has only happened once before.)
Best of luck to everyone, and here's wishing you a very Happy New Year!

12/30/2013 6:22:30 AM

  Happy 2014 Everybody! I hope your new year finds you with great photo adventures and fantastic photo ops!

12/30/2013 9:33:05 AM

  Happy New Year everyone and best wishes for the coming year to everyone.

Regards,
Janet

12/30/2013 3:56:50 PM

  Wishing all the talented and friendly folks here at BP a fabulous New Year!
(And best of luck in the contest as well!)
Regards,
Peggy

12/30/2013 6:55:33 PM

 
 
  Winding Down
Winding Down
Watching the sunset on the south shore of Kauai.

f/22, 1/320, ISO1250, 50mm

** Nature & Landscapes **

 
 
I guess I'm not too late for this thread! I'm thinking SFs today, finalists on Thursday? Maybe?

Anyway here's my fave for the month.

Good luck to all and Happy New Year!

12/31/2013 6:47:17 AM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Martha,

Wow! That is a definite Wow shot!!! Congrats!!
Hope you have some winners-this definitely is one!

Happy New Year!

Jane Miller

12/31/2013 6:57:15 AM

  It doesn't look like the SF's have been chosen yet. They certainly are waiting until the end lately. Good luck all. And more importantly good luck in the new year for good health, love, and happiness.

12/31/2013 2:52:10 PM

  Yes they have!

12/31/2013 4:43:49 PM

  Staff Favorites are finally out for November!

12/31/2013 4:51:18 PM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
Mirrored Reflections
Mirrored Reflections
One single shot just reflections in a mirror at Terminal Tower Cleveland Ohio
 
 
Good luck in the next round for those with SF's. I did receive two so pleasantly surprised. One was on a favorite of mine although I don't post it on the thread.
But anyway I don't mind jinxing myself now.

12/31/2013 6:31:05 PM

  That's beautiful, Jackie! I got 8 SFs.

12/31/2013 6:48:03 PM

  CONGRATZ to all who got SFs, Finalists and Winners shouldn't take too long now!!!

UB.

12/31/2013 8:15:24 PM

 
 
 
: )

12/31/2013 9:16:56 PM

 
 
 
: )

12/31/2013 9:17:33 PM

 
 
 
Happy New Year!

12/31/2013 9:18:58 PM

  4 Finalists, no wins...

1/1/2014 2:42:48 AM

  6 Finalists and a Win for me. CONGRATZ to all who got golden and good luck in 2014!!!

UB.

1/1/2014 3:20:14 AM

  Nothing for me (no surprise: I got only 7 EPs out of 30 entries) and now, due to some error on this site, I cannot upload a contest image... I guess I'll not continue on this site after my portfolio expires in September.

1/1/2014 3:23:33 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
  Happy New Year to everyone! May it be full of beautiful imagery!
Congratulations to all the winners and finalists; I went to bed having only seen SF announcements, and woke up to finalists and winners announcements--honestly didn't expect to see them so fast!
Best of luck to everyone as we move into the Dec contest results!

PS---looking for a new volunteer to take over launching the Countdown thread next month... I won't be able to.

1/1/2014 4:32:40 AM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  Happy New Year to everyone and congratulations to all. I received one finalist and SF for November for "de las golondrines" and this is the first time I'm trying to use Nikki's directions to include link, so fingers crossed it works.

de las golonrines

1/1/2014 6:39:21 AM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  well it almost worked, the link took you to the gallery. My finalist is the second one - it's a fanned seed head from a purple Texas dandelion that I took in Ransom Canyon and crossed my fingers it would turn out well. ~April

1/1/2014 6:43:16 AM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
Scales
Scales

Finalist - Elements of Design - November 2013

A close up of the red column in my photo "Color & Structure", showing how the light plays with the color of the "scales".
Minor adjustments in CS5.
 
 
Hello and Happy New Year everyone!
Big congrats to all who received Staff Favorites, Finalists, and Winners!
One finalist for me ...
Best of luck to all in 2014!
Regards
Peggy

1/1/2014 10:02:59 AM

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Jill Odice
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  33 .  December EFPs
Happy Holidays to everybody at BP! I am looking forward to seeing what the judges choose for the month of December!

12/1/2013 9:59:02 PM

  Luck to everybody..Tag..

12/3/2013 11:53:20 AM

  Latched on.

UB.

12/3/2013 9:54:45 PM

  Tag :)

12/4/2013 6:27:02 PM

  Got one for Dec 1.

UB.

12/9/2013 12:31:52 AM

  12/1..Animals..More Pictures?? Really??

12/9/2013 7:56:53 AM

  12/1 People

12/13/2013 4:27:53 AM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  Does anyone know what is the process the judges use now for the contests? I used to get quite a few editor's picks but now maybe have gotten 5 in the last several months. I no longer enter one a day but don't think I have became a worst photographer than I was before and was wondering what is the judges' process now. Thanks and wishing everyone happy holidays and a great new year! ~April

12/13/2013 8:32:29 AM

  Nobody has a clue! Many of us are having the same sort of results. It's a mystery.

12/13/2013 8:51:38 AM

Ken Smith
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  Also, they've only gone thru Nov 12th, and Dec 1st. So, if you uploaded contest photos after Nov 12th, they're still in the running for an EP. That's one of the recent changes contest changes they've made; they pick EPs slower now, and often go thru many days all at once.

12/13/2013 2:29:44 PM

Ken Smith
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  I meant to say that they've only gone thru Nov 12th, and Dec 1st for EPs.

12/13/2013 2:30:28 PM

  The bar has been raised a fair bit as far as EP stamping is concerned. They want us to push more, which is good for many of us, me thinks ;)

UB.

12/13/2013 11:00:17 PM

  I agree with Usman. I like the change as far as EPs not being given out as freely. It seemed in the past anything and everything got an EPs. This way it makes it more of a challenge for me.

12/14/2013 3:28:48 AM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  The bar should never have been lowered, if it was. With such a drastic change, it makes me wonder if my images they chose were actually any good or were they just handing these things out to anyone. I don't know if there are new judges or why such a big change. I remember when I first joined BetterPhoto it was same group of people who received the EPs etc. That's not saying that it wasn't deserved or earned, but then it opened up and you saw different photographers with different styles that could be appreciated and learned from. I thought BP became a much more encouraging and welcoming place in the last few years than it had been when I first joined. I remember receiving "critiques" telling me I should throw my camera away, but I was just beginning and I don't live in an area where I can just walk out the door and point and shoot so I learned to take those with a grain of salt. What I miss most about the EPs is not the little ribbon but the feedback I received not only from the judges but also other BP photographers who saw my image in the contest link. ~April

12/14/2013 6:58:47 AM

  Hi Natural Abstract,
I happen to KNOW that you are an excellent photographer. I have had a lot of fun with the contest and I have noticed that just entering does not guarantee an EP. It annoys me to some extent as well. One member has been kind enough to give me real constructive advice and he was right.
I think you do an excellent job with the subject matter you have available. I can only speak for me but I have grown as a photographer, have gotten some great ideas at BP, but would like some honest advice on how to improve. I would also like to know how some photos are done. I have inquired and some people respond but most do not share. That would be nice. Ken Smith and a couple of others have been very, very helpful to me. Debra Harter was wonderful but I don't think she is doing BP any more. If I was going to give you advice, I would say, don't give up. You are too good to quit. Besides, what have you got to lose? Well, maybe confidence.... I struggled with that but maybe we need to do photography for OURSELVES and what WE like.

12/14/2013 2:18:41 PM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  Thanks Harriet, I agree with you - the contests are fun and entering doesn't guarantee anything. My main concern is BP not going back to the way it was when it was very clique-y - I should tell you sometime my story about my first acceptance to the High & Dry, oh one lady here did not like at all and neither did all her friends and she had a lot of friends, and I became just a running joke in all their comments on their own images. That was one time I thought about quitting. They had convinced me that image was so bad I was too embarrassed to even go to the H&D reception that year. But that was 2006. In the last few years tho it seemed people were more welcoming and gave constructive feedback whether they liked the subject matter or not. I can get a website anywhere, the community of fellow photographers is another story ~April

12/14/2013 2:36:25 PM

  I hate hearing that, April. I know it sometimes seems pretty much ruled by cliques, but I don't think it's always their intent to be like that, although it seems you must have run up against a particularly mean bunch. Some people tend to stick with their own group based on nothing more than what time of day they post. I'm sure there are a lot of people like me who just can't do a lot of typing. (bad hands)..I sure did notice a lot of difference when I couldn't do much commenting anymore. If I get 3 or 4 a day it's unusual. I hope your experience this time will be much better.

12/14/2013 3:06:56 PM

  Because of you, April, I am now doing BP. I am sorry about your experience with H&D. I have not figured this one out, yet. Civility is a lost art for some people. I have not experienced this at BP but I have only been in it for about three years at the most. If it was as you described, then I would not want it to go back to that. What some people do not realize is that one's art (and photography is art) is a reflection of themselves. The artist bares his soul, so to speak, and cruelty is very hurtful. The "do unto others" is only FOR others to abide by for some people. Hang in there. We need to go on a road trip together sometime.

12/14/2013 4:25:30 PM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  Harriet, I'm so glad you enjoy BP. Had those people been representative of the majority of people here I never would recommend it to anyone but they are not, they are just the loudest. The funny thing about that first H&D was Jane always tells me that was one of her all-time favorites, which I've always thought was strange because at that time I was just a little museum student who didn't know anything and entered it on a dare. We should go on a road trip sometime. I take my ESL test this Thursday and I can finally breathe again and think of stuff other than languages. ~April

12/14/2013 4:48:02 PM

  I don't comment on photo's like I used to. I don't have as much time as before but when I first joined BP I found it to be a very welcoming, encouraging, helpful place to be. That's why I have stayed. I must say though, I am in a rut when it comes to photography. I have felt uninspired for a while now. I hope that goes away soon.

12/17/2013 2:49:29 AM

  Without sounding like Scrooge at Christmas time, I am frustrated because I don't see how all the photos can be judged with less than 10 days left in this month. As far as I can tell, the only EP's are on 12-1-13. As for November, I can't tell how far along they are here either. I guess after Christmas they will pull a judge-a-thon and finish up November and spend all of January doing December. I am not complaining about not getting EP's because I don't KNOW if my photos made it or not. It is like taking a test and never knowing if you passed or failed. Maybe they are in file 13.

12/21/2013 4:38:25 PM

Natural/Abstract Photography
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  I agree, Harriet, that is what's so frustrating - not knowing if they are even looking. I got one for November, and that wasn't my longhorns from Johnson City which is a pretty straightforward photograph and I thought if I had a chance that would have been it. I know some people complained that too many EPs were being given, but it's seems like they have now swung to the opposite end of the pendulum. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to their process. ~April

12/22/2013 7:51:11 AM

  Should we start a new thread for December Editors picks? It doesn't look like they have given out many and this thread seems to be about other subject matter?

12/25/2013 1:52:30 PM

  The only issue I see with the "pushing ourselves more" to be worthy of receiving nods from Judges, is that I have no idea now WHY I do or do not get an EP.

I do know that my skills are always growing, or so I believe - but who knows! So, what exactly is it that I need to improve? Is it my camera work or my post-production skill that needs work?

Thank Heaven that I still love photography - despite a lack of encouragement from BP. I'm pretty fond of my fellow members, too.

12/26/2013 7:20:36 PM

  I agree with all that is being said here. I have noticed at least 3 new PRO photographers (not instructors) with new pro websites, that have gotten recognition on BP, whether EP, or photo prominently displayed , not just listed, on those new "what is trending now on BP" pages.
Also, I have not received any EPs for December at all, but, at this point, I think it is just business as usual! IMO, not a sound business practice. When businesses start ignoring their largest population, the END is near.

12/27/2013 4:52:41 AM

  Happy Holidays to everyone---tag page

12/28/2013 3:43:07 PM

  Hi Gang... Just tagging as I don't have anything entered until the 17th.

Wanted to send out a HUGE congratulations to all the November Winners, Finalists, Staff Faves, EPs & Participants!!!

Wishing you all a fabulous 2014 abundant with blessings & many photo opportunities. As well as a few gold badges thrown in here and there :)

Keep Smiling & Happy Shooting, Sharon

1/1/2014 7:19:20 PM

  Nothing for me for December at the moment, but checking in. Happy new year to all.

1/2/2014 10:34:48 AM

  One for Dec 1 and nothing after that yet.

Blue

1/2/2014 3:16:02 PM

  tag

1/3/2014 3:46:45 PM

  ;-)

1/3/2014 8:28:11 PM

  My first entry in Dec was on the 2nd so I'm yet with nothing at all from Dec (neither Jan). I've been checking under New EPs and today there were 2 new ones dated Dec 31, so I'm really confused about their method...or lack of.
Beatriz

1/4/2014 9:28:33 PM

  tag

1/4/2014 9:38:09 PM

  Here it is January 5th and not a single December EFP...

1/5/2014 7:31:01 AM

  Well, I just got one for JANUARY 2nd! I had one on 12/1 also and nothing in between. Maybe they are going to skip December and go right straight to January.

1/5/2014 9:00:32 AM

  Just got one for January 1st but nothing in Dec yet.

1/5/2014 12:39:20 PM

  That's the same for me, Beatriz. One for January 1, none yet for December.

I actually just came back to say that I just got an email from someone who had major computer problems for several months and couldn't enter. She was checking in occasionally but not really paying attention. When she got one for January 1, she deleted all her December entries because she had no EP's. Now that is sad. And I wonder how often it happens?

1/5/2014 1:26:04 PM

  So, does anyone have an expaination for "editor 1st pics" in Dec? How can there only be pics on the 1st and 31st? It's like the judges decided to take the whole month off!
I've been a member of this site since 2008 and it appears this will be my last...............

1/5/2014 1:46:48 PM

  Expaination please!!

1/5/2014 2:27:01 PM

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  Garret, I doubt you'll hear from BP staff, if you're looking for an explanation. You mentioned EPs for the 31st. I haven't seen any for that date…just the first of Dec, and the 1-2 of Jan.

As for an explanation…and it's only a speculation. BP uses different people for each month. The December team (or person) is really, really behind, whereas the January team has already started.

But we've seen this often lately…they start the new month, but just for a day or two, then return to the preceding month.

Again, it would be nice for BP to chime in on their EP process. For me personally, I'd love to see a consistent EP rate (maybe 50%) and awarding them NLT than one week after contest date. They kinda used to do this a couple of years ago, but increasingly it's been a mad dash to the contest finish line.

1/5/2014 3:48:55 PM

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  Clarification…award EPs one week after the contest date; e.g., for contest entries on the 10th of January, award EPs NLT the 17th of Jan. For entries on the 11th, it'd be 18th of Jan.

1/5/2014 3:50:47 PM

  I did not get any EPs at all for December, and they skippped me altogether the last 1/2 of November. I, also had problems trying to enter the last part of December, so I didn't enter my photo on the 31st. I am going to slow way down-not entering everyday anymore, and do some of the photo projects I have been putting off for too long. BP just doesn't seem to care anymore.

1/5/2014 7:09:06 PM

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  Nancy, don't get discouraged. BP has only awarded EPs for the first day of December. There are still 30 days to go, for December EPs. We are all in the same boat. Have fun with your projects, but toss in a photo every now and then, to the contest. BP is much more than just the management, it's the people that comprise the community. And I'm sure they care.

1/5/2014 7:36:52 PM

  Thanks Ken. You might want to take another look, prob 15+ EFP from the 26th through 31st.. Seems they're coming in a bit slow.

1/5/2014 7:46:19 PM

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  Thanks, Garret. I hadn't seen any EPs except for Dec 1st. And no one else had reported any on this forum. Maybe we'll see more over the next few days.

1/5/2014 7:54:29 PM

  Since they are so far behind, it would be less confusing if we always mentioned the month when we talk about the EPs. I'm interested in Garret's latest statement - what month and what is your source? I'm not at all doubting you - I'm just completely confused. I have nothing at all for December and only one for January and that was for the 1st. The November Winners finally came out. Are you saying you have seen EP's for images entered in the contest on December 26-31?

1/5/2014 8:02:02 PM

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  Garret, I did see some EPs on photos that were time stamped in late December, but it's unclear if they were uploaded on Jan 1st or 2nd. It's possible they were uploaded in December, then entered into the contest on Jan 1st or 2nd, when they handed out the Jan EPs. Hopefully someone will chime in on this forum, if they entered these photos into the contest in December.

1/5/2014 8:02:31 PM

  I entered a Nov 7 upload instead of a new upload on January 1 when they were having such big server problems and no one could get in. It did not have an EP but does now. I'm willing to bet lots of others did, too, as it seemed to be the only way to get an Jan 1 entry in.

1/5/2014 8:09:16 PM

  So far, I've found maybe 3 images that were uploaded on 01/01 - all within minutes of midnight. All the others for January seem to have been uploaded in December, but entered on the 1st. That's what I ended up doing. It looks as though things were fixed by the the 2nd.

Here's where the "Recent EPs" gallery is located...
http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/editors-first-pick-photos-members.asp?pageID=4&rows=12

Btw, I like that the gallery now contains only the most recent in descending order instead of skipping around willy-nilly. I'm not really happy about not seeing my images anywhere amongst them. Oh, well.

1/5/2014 9:05:41 PM

  If my eyes haven't deceived me, according to the latest EP's Dec. is through! What the heck...no EP's for me for Nov. and now none for Dec. I guess it is really time to think about wrapping this place up!

1/5/2014 9:37:44 PM

  This confusion is one of the reasons that I add the monthDay (and category) at the end of my description. And, Joannie - I can't tell if December EPs are finished or not because of all the judge-jumping around.

This is like sending out November statements in January, plus some January invoices, before finishing the billing for most of December. And none of it has the actual date the work done recorded on the paperwork.

1/5/2014 11:39:05 PM

  As far as I can tell, comparing some of the 12/31 EPs shown in the chronological list with the current Recent list, there *have* been a few EPs awarded for late December entries. The few I looked at were by photographers without galleries, so posting in the forum may not be an option for them. Since some members do delete entries which haven't gotten EPs, it would be really helpful if BP could share its process for the first stage of contest picking, or somehow let everyone know when that stage is complete for a given month.

1/6/2014 7:17:41 AM

  I've learned not to delete my images until the finalist come out! There's no tell what is going on until the finalists come out!

1/6/2014 9:19:33 AM

  No reason to delete them at all. Just go and uncheck the box so they won't be seen in your gallery, but are still in the data base.

1/6/2014 9:42:06 AM

  Carylon, I don't want all those pics in my gallery, too much! But I do save my very favorite ones! :-)

1/6/2014 10:08:16 AM

  They won't show in your gallery if you uncheck the box. You can have as many as you want in your pool, just as long as less than 1000 show.

1/6/2014 11:35:09 AM

  I just got another JANUARY EP for the 3rd. I have written to Kerry Drager asking for some clarification about December. Let's wait and see what he (or whoever answers) says. In the meantime, we need a January EP thread.

1/6/2014 1:28:05 PM

  Just got this email from BP.. I'll be shocked if none of my San Francisco shots get EP's... The wait continues....

Hello Garret,
Thank you for your support of BetterPhoto and the monthly Contest. Editor's Picks are still being awarded, although sometimes it takes a bit longer to get the Editor's Picks posted. Also, our judges may take a few days off from time to time - including during the holidays. If that happens, just know that we'll catch up as soon as possible, as evidenced in Dec.
Of course, the end result of each contest is always the same ... the exciting announcements of Finalists and Winners coming late each month.

Thank you and Happy Shooting!
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Happy photographing!

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1/6/2014 2:33:22 PM

  Hi All,
Hang in there, BetterPhoto friends. The judges are just getting back into action after the holidays, and only 2 pages have been judged. As they progress, we're sure you'll see a lot more photos getting EPs.
Kerry

1/6/2014 3:32:32 PM

  Hi Kerry. Thanks for the explanation. It was good to hear from the BP staff.

1/6/2014 3:38:40 PM

  Thanks for responding, Kerry. It's good to know we haven't been abandoned. LOL

1/6/2014 3:57:17 PM

  Well they skipped all of December for me, but I got one on 1/2/14-go figure!

1/2-Ancient Sculptures.

I don't see a January forum posted, so am posting it here.

1/6/2014 6:36:34 PM

  Kerry, Kerry, he's our man.... :-)

1/6/2014 6:39:35 PM

  Thanks for the response, Kerry! But, the order of the picking is a little confusing. It used to be chronological, while now it appears that judging is going backwards from the 31st. When people see EPs dated the last day of the month, it gives the impression that the judging for the month is finished. Is this a new trend, or an anomaly? Thanks!

1/6/2014 6:49:01 PM

  Thanks, Kerry. Your response is much appreciated. This is all very confusing ... :)

1/6/2014 7:14:26 PM

  Marie (Nancy) and others,
Please do not despair. What those posting to this forum have been saying is that BP has NOT looked at the December entries beyond, at most, the first day or two of that month. Please do not think: "They skipped all of my December entries." That is not true for anyone at this point in time. It IS true that a few EPs have been given out for the first 1-3 days of January. But this has long been a pattern here - a new judge or editor starting a new month before his or her colleague has finished the old one. It's confusing and irritating and frustrating and maddening, but that's just the way it is. And in this case it has been said repeatedly that the December entries have NOT been looked at beyond the first day or so, but they will be in good time. Most of all, DO NOT DELETE your entries until after the Finalists for that month come out. The editors have even been known to go back and give a few EPs AFTER they have apparently been all the way through someone's entries. Hang in there and keep on entering.

1/6/2014 7:26:58 PM

  "Hang in there and keep on entering." I am with you wholeheartedly, Nikki.

UB.

1/6/2014 11:07:09 PM

  I just got another one for January and still nothing after December 1 for that month. NOW I'M EVEN MORE CONFUSED than ever! WHAT happened to DECEMBER??? If they intend to skip the entire month, then I'm re entering every darn shot and I don't want to hear a word about no resubmits! Somebody PLEASE mention DECEMBER's missing EPs!!!!

1/7/2014 2:39:04 PM

  Well said, Nikki.

1/7/2014 2:39:06 PM

  At least with December, there is still a chance that Joannie and I still have a chance.

If Carolyn is being swamped with EPs on her January entries already, it means that my lack of them means it's too late for an EP on any of the 6 entries.

1/7/2014 3:54:46 PM

  We are encouraged to hang in there and keep entering because things are going to improve but... WHEN?

1/7/2014 4:00:00 PM

  I don't know that I ever heard the word "improve" from headquarters! :-)

1/7/2014 4:53:25 PM

  It seems through the years that the judges check pictures in alphabetical order! I always know if Carolyn posts and EP than I go look at my gallery to see if I have one! She has already posted 3 EP's for Jan.! I have none for Dec. and so far none for Jan.! Just saying!

1/7/2014 5:01:47 PM

  I only have one for December. January I have one for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th..Couldn't post on the first.
Surely they aren't done with December. I can't believe they would skip almost an entire month. It IS true that there are some for the end of December with EPs. Wonder why we're confused, anyone??

1/7/2014 5:06:39 PM

  In the survey that came out today I stated very clearly that I'd like to see BP disclosing regularly and openly information on their process to give EPs.
May be if everyone would use this survey as a way to get this message to BP it would amplify our voices!
Just an idea.
Btw I got EPs for Jan1-3 but still nothing for December.

1/7/2014 5:09:54 PM

 
 
  Multnomah Morning Colors-ed.
Multnomah Morning Colors-ed.
Taken very early in the morning-slow shutter, tripod, circ pol, shutter release.
 
 
1/3/14-Multnomah Morning Colors

1/7/2014 5:32:51 PM

  I also replied to their survey and brought out some issues (including the lack of EPs for December). I used the 50-dollar discount code (it seems all people got it: at least my father did, and he did not have a gallery on BP any more) to renew my gallery for a year... and my father did it too... at least this was nice!

1/7/2014 10:55:10 PM

  Now it seems that they changed the rules of that dicount... Boooo!

1/8/2014 6:37:14 AM

  After getting JIm's email this morning I tried to use it for the buy one get one free also and now you cannot do it...Your Dad is lucky...Just one more confusing issue with BP I guess...I tried it and now they still want you to pay for one year and give you one for free...which is ok, but why confuse folks with even bringing up the useless coupon. I cannot afford classes even with the discount and would have gladly used the $50.00 to renew just for a year.

1/8/2014 8:59:37 AM

  I renewed in November, I think. I figured that by do the two year renewal things could really get fouled up. I will take my chances on one year at a time. This might be a wake up call to the powers that be . If they can't handle the contest in a timely fashion, what makes one think that the records can be kept straight? The slip up in the email is not good business and BP, after all, is a business.

1/8/2014 9:16:53 AM

  I often took advantage of the 2-fer, which is why my subscription is good until April 2015.

An explanation email "Whoop! I goofed Kathy" arrived this morning about the $50 coupon. My budget even with that discount does not allow for the classes. And, I had missed the earlier mention about a "green drink" but the email does clarify that info.

Btw, I had taken that 2-week course on "Snow Photography" from Jim Zuckerman for $99. It was terrific, but cash flow has been redirected and even that option has to be tabled for awhile. It doesn't look as though the $50 discount can be used on the short courses, anyway.

1/8/2014 9:34:42 AM

  Harriet said: "We are encouraged to hang in there and keep entering because things are going to improve but... WHEN?"

I was the one who said, "Hang in there and keep entering," and it was intended specifically to encourage those who were assuming that their December and January entries had been skipped and were, therefore, not worthy. I have entered every day in January and I entered 28 days in December. I have one EP to show for it - so far :) I will not delete entries until after the finalists for that month are announced.

1/9/2014 6:15:07 PM

  Yes, I did ask "When?" I am one of the members who was wondering if the month had been skipped, so I feel qualified in asking. I assume that BP is still encouraging people to enter the contest because it is still listed in the topics in the forum. Now, I would still like to know "WHEN?" the judging will even begin much less get caught up. I taught 40 years. If I had given a test and waited three weeks to even begin grading them and let the results be known almost a month later, I would not have kept my job. I continue to enter because to my knowledge this is the only site that has a contest and up until a few months ago, I thoroughly enjoyed the competition. If there are stipulations to be met by asking "WHEN" then I was not aware of them. Perhaps targeting a "specific" population needs to be stated rather than implied. I have had to do some encouraging lately myself but can't encourage my friends to join until BP resumes some professionalism.

1/9/2014 6:49:25 PM

  You're right, Nikki. Harriet, they say they will get to them, so I assume they will.

1/9/2014 6:51:06 PM

  I think I've been misunderstood, Harriet. I was certainly not taking you to task for asking "when?" and as a former teacher myself, I absolutely agree. I just did not want you or anyone else to assume I was in any way speaking about BP in general when I said "hang in there". My comments were intended only and specifically to say that I do NOT think the December EP selection has been completed or even close to completed and I do think they will go back and do it - somehow. So do not delete December entries.
Personally, I think the inconsistency and delays are maddening and frustrating and a few other things besides. But I can't do anything about them, so I just keep playing the game and getting my pleasure from viewing others' work, from reading comments on my own work when it catches someone's eye, from the very helpful critiques in the FFFP Club, and from those Finalists that may eventually come my way if and when they do.

1/9/2014 7:00:19 PM

  I'm certainly hoping that BP is taking note of all this pissing, moaning, and, crankiness it's creating.......

1/9/2014 7:09:20 PM

  Yes Caroly, but WHEN? :-)

1/9/2014 7:09:29 PM

  I still think a lot of us would be much happier if the judging schedule were more consistent.

We may not like the long delays, but we do understand travels and work and other reasons (well, sort of... not in any other job on Earth, but that's another issue.)

Just don't start a new month until all the Judges have completed their assignments for the current (or latest still open) Contest. And don't bounce around. I hate checking and rechecking every one of my entries every time somebody posts that they got a new EP. It's demoralizing and annoying as all get-out.

1/9/2014 7:14:56 PM

  Yup, everytime I see an email, "Response to question by Jill", the first thing I do is check my gallery....then I sigh heavily....

1/9/2014 7:20:36 PM

  One EP each on the first day of Dec & Jan is all I have to show for now. But I am not deleting any of the non-EP images of Dec and Jan just yet.
I am waiting to get the details on the BetterPhoto 2.0 from hopefully BP itself. Maybe that provide answers to our current queries, at least that's what I hope.
In the mean time, I am hanging on and playing along with full vigor, still getting inspired by many of your images which I often check every now and then.

UB.

1/9/2014 8:49:56 PM

  Well, my best guess is that they are probably done with the January,14 EP selection for now and will move back to December,13 and between now and till 31st Jan, we’ll see the remaining EP’s for December and the subsequent badges, this is how, more or less, things turned out last month and also in the few months before(in the revised/changed scheme of things)....

1/9/2014 8:50:38 PM

  I joined BP because of he "Photo Contest". If I wanted a web host to upload my photo's to, flickr has a much better layout and is FREE!! Probably a temp set back on BP's part. They sure have discouraged a few of their members with this glitch though..

1/9/2014 9:52:17 PM

  Sorry, Nikki. I guess I did misunderstand. The previous post pegged it right on. I joined because of the contest as I use another site for posting my galleries. When all this started, I thought it was just a passing phase but as it seems to drag on and on, well, I guess it has worn on my nerves. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

1/10/2014 7:05:24 AM

  No problem, Harriet :)

1/10/2014 8:31:46 AM

  Harriet, I came here mostly for the contest too - based on the encouragement of a handful of friends I'd made at other contest sites (all but one of whom have long since flown this coop, I must add). Needless to say, I'm not happy with what's happening (or not happening) here now either. My point, though, is that yes, other contest sites do exist. I'm a member of 3 others, all of which have contests to some degree or another plus the opportunity to interact with other members. BP rules say members aren't allowed to mention other websites here lest we be thrown out on our ears, but I'll be happy to clue you in if you send me an email.

1/10/2014 11:23:12 AM

  ok, I am getting paranoid. I tried to contract you and the page would not allow me to do so. If you don't mind, please contact me. I will try later.

1/10/2014 12:48:43 PM

  My big question right now is do I renew with the 2 for 1 not knowing what is going on with the contest or just let it ride. I have not gotten a single EP for the month of December and here it is Jan 10th...I hate spending our hard earned money if there is not going to be a contest anymore...I already have my own personal website at Smugmug and have had it for years...I joined for the contest and stayed because of all the great folks I have met here.

1/10/2014 9:47:04 PM

  MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/10/2014 11:58:42 PM

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  so did they just completely skip over December? If so, that's kinda irritating to put in mildly. I got out in -5 degrees to get some of the shots I entered. Maybe they're not great but they should at least get glanced at. ~April

1/11/2014 5:59:00 AM

  They'll have to announce December Winners by the end of January, and for that, they need at least to look at 111 photos (1 Grand Winner, 10 1st places and 1000 2nd places), plus they need to look at least a couple of hundred more photos to give them Finalist badges, plus a hundred or more for Staff Favorites... Hopefully they'll start giving EPs soon, as if they hurry, then it becomes moe like a lottery (they'll overlook good photos, and it's not clear from whose photos they start from looking at: e.g. if it matters if you are taking courses, have bought a pro gallery, have been a member for 10 years or if your name starts with an A or if you upload your photos at a certain hour).

1/11/2014 6:18:37 AM

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  Tia,

Is it me or does it seem that judging has come to a screeching halt?

Jane

1/11/2014 7:37:48 AM

  Kerry offered this explanation on Jan 6th "Hang in there, BetterPhoto friends. The judges are just getting back into action after the holidays, and only 2 pages have been judged. As they progress, we're sure you'll see a lot more photos getting EPs." It's only been 5 days since that announcement.

There are not quite 2300 Recent Entries in that gallery (some of which were uploaded from years ago through this past Autumn-January. It's not clear how many were actually entered in December.

The problem always seems to get back to the same point... There shouldn't be one January Entry receiving an EP until the Judges finish December.

As a Marketing Tool, the Contest with the inconsistent procedures for nearly a year now, does not seem particularly effective.

1/11/2014 7:59:54 AM

  Getting EPs takes more and more time.... a year ago it was normal to get an EP for a photo submitted 1-2 days ago, but now it often takes more than a month as they've only judged photos submitted in the beginning of December (plus some for January)... I agree that it's not good for the site: it is a sign that they don't care much of their members, and this may result in decreasing number of members and, as a result, worse financial results.

1/11/2014 8:30:29 AM

  I agree with Tiia. I have been here since 2005 and am not thrilled with how things have been going for quite some time . Now I just read about someone who did the 2 for 1 and only got 1 year. Personally I cannot afford to pay $49.00 for a year here if they cannot get their act together enough to let us know what is really going on. That is more then I pay for my fully functional website!BP was free when I joined, then they started charging, which I understood..But then they almost doubled the price for a years membership. I almost left then, but some kind soul paid for me that year and since then I wait for the 2 for 1 sale.

1/11/2014 8:52:18 AM

  Let’s face it, BP is a business and I guess their profit margin for Basic and Deluxe memberships must be decreasing?? This explains the perceived lack of "care" for those members. Seems all the BP classes available must be generating the bulk of revenue for BP.

1/11/2014 11:02:01 AM

  12/2..Landscape..100% Pretty
YAY!!!

1/11/2014 11:36:21 AM

 
 
 
12/2 Details & Macro
Yippee skippee!

1/11/2014 12:15:00 PM

  Yep, December 2 Elements of Design

Light the Way

1/11/2014 12:20:07 PM

  12/3..Flowers..Purple Morning Glory

1/11/2014 12:57:12 PM

  12/4..Animals..Grasshopper Attitude

1/11/2014 1:10:54 PM

  Congratulations to those with EP,s. It is about time your hard work was recognized. I will be interested to see if the judging is going to be in a timely fashion or is this just another bone to keep the natives from getting restless.... We will see.

1/11/2014 1:55:42 PM

  12/5..Landscape..Sunset Bird Flight
They're still coming..Gotta love it.

1/11/2014 2:59:15 PM

  Looks like they are up to the 7th of December. That's a start.

1/11/2014 3:13:41 PM

  They must have resumed picking EPs for
December.

Yellow Orchids

Piano Stairs

Look if you like!

1/11/2014 3:36:15 PM

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  Up to the 10th now…they're really moving. At this rate, they'll be done with all of December by tomorrow. :-)

1/11/2014 3:58:58 PM

  12/6..Flowers..Quit Shoving
12/7..Macro..Icicles..The Inside Story
12/8..MT..Deck The Halls
12/8..Macro..Any Plant Will Dew
12/10.Landscape..Sunset & Beach Flowers

1/11/2014 4:05:38 PM

  Phew...:-)
12/5 Disney Music Hall..... E of D
12/7 Alone ....Catch all
12/8 Snow on Branches ...DD
12/10 Just Ducky.... MT

1/11/2014 4:21:29 PM

  Finally the Dec spell seems to have been broken :)
I don't have the entry dates anymore for all of them but these were entered I think from Dec 2nd to the 8th

Lisbon Sunset
Free Ride
At the Edge
Mirador
Perspectives

1/11/2014 5:42:03 PM

  5 EPs and 5 Non-EPs till date. Do hate when the judges go through the entries in a whirlwind way.

EPs for Dec 1,3,5,7 and 10.

UB.

1/12/2014 12:22:15 AM

  I have one for December:

12/6-snow clouds filter the sun
I guess that's better than none.

1/12/2014 6:23:00 AM

  I have three so far. I am still critical about the way the judging is being done. The hard work put into taking these photographs is being trivialized. I am glad to receive the EP's but I have not forgotten how late the judging is and, in my opinion, the unprofessionalism. I just want the old BP back.

1/12/2014 6:56:38 AM

  Dear Harriet, I'm so sorry but you will probably never see the "old BP" again! I've been here for a little over 10 yrs now and once BP does something that is usually it! I feel your frustration very much, I believe my gallery here has fallen off the face of the earth! In my time here I've received 3 gold badges that took a very long time to get and I'm very proud of them! I have a whole bunch of finalist, also very proud of them but since November I've received no EP's...none in Nov., Dec. or Jan.! I'm just binding my time for now! I just wanted to let you know so you can use your energy for something important, not this contest!

1/12/2014 4:39:07 PM

  Joannie,
I am sorry about November but there's more to December (I guess) and January. There was a lady I talked to a couple of times ,as she answered a question or two for me, named Debra Harder. She is a fantastic photographer but she left BP because she felt it was taking up too much time. She may have a point. If things have not changed by the time I have to renew, I will not do another year. At my age it is not good for me to be upset. Thanks for the information.

1/12/2014 7:20:24 PM

  Harriet, I know Deb, she is my Irish Leprechaun! :-) I agree with you...no time to waste for me either! :-)

1/12/2014 7:52:37 PM

  12/11..Macro..Double Droplet Darlings
This one came in yesterday all by itself.

1/13/2014 7:01:02 AM

 
 
  Christmas Lights Sphere
Christmas Lights Sphere
 
 
12/11 Christmas Lights...MT category

1/13/2014 9:14:17 AM

  12/11 Animals

Filet Thief

1/13/2014 12:35:40 PM

  Up to the 11th?? My stomach hurts!!!

Have any of you seen Deb Harder's stuff on facebook?? Astounding!!

1/13/2014 12:46:49 PM

  I've got only two, for Dec. 2 and 8. And yes, Bob, I see Deb's work on FB and it's fabulous!

Change must be in progress, though - have y'all noticed that the comments boxes now have a "frame" around them that turns blue when you start to type? Be still my heart.

1/13/2014 2:51:52 PM

  What's bothering me about all this is the fact that all 5 of my entries were submitted after Christmas.. With the BP judges falling so far behind, I'm beginning to realize most of the last minute entries are going to be overlooked..

just saying.........

1/14/2014 5:20:31 PM

  Did you get the email about the new contest BP is going to start? How are they going to do a NEW contest when they are not even taking care of this one? Unless. the new contest will replace this one..... Part of the email promised "new and wonderful things" at BP. If it aint broken ....Maybe the contest is one you have to pay each time you enter and is open to anyone. When that happens, I am out. Perhaps I am borrowing trouble. But as far as I know there has not been any judging since the weekend. Just enough bones to keep the puppies happy.

1/14/2014 8:18:08 PM

  I didn't get that email, Harriet. Or at least I don't think I did. I don't pay much attention to them - there are so many. I just delete. Anyone else?

1/14/2014 8:30:40 PM

  No email about a new contest... Just one with a link that Jim received from his Dad (to inspiring pictures) and one about Green Drink. There were also a couple about the 2-Fer Gallery (my subscription has over a year left so I didn't bother reading those emails.)

Was the new contest info in one of those, Harriet?

1/14/2014 8:34:03 PM

  I got it around noon CST today.
"Inspiring photos...and an urgent reminder" is the title. I reread the email and I am not sure it will be a contest but I am not sure that it won't either.

1/14/2014 9:00:44 PM

  That's the one I got too (wasn't sure what it meant, either.)

1/14/2014 10:26:11 PM

  I received the email yesterday. Didn't take it as a new contest. Jim called it Inspiration of the Week. I thought it would be something like the POTD. I could be wrong. I thought it was a good idea and loved the link he sent from his Dad for us to view. Those pictures were wonderful. Encourage everyone to look at them.

1/15/2014 2:37:18 AM

  I agree with Tammy, I think it's just like a POTD idea or to showcase great BP photographers to inspire us.

1/15/2014 9:11:19 AM

  I think you are correct. I am just getting a little paranoid and very distrustful. Not a nice state of mind. I just wish the BP I joined three years ago would come back.

1/15/2014 9:59:44 AM

  We will never figure out the judging system here! I just found an EP for 12/4, Autumn Afternoon!

1/16/2014 5:39:55 PM

  Either the judge found some inspiration or this has gotten so confusing that we cannot keep track of our entries. I think that the ladder is what they are hoping for. I am not entering for a week or so...partly because I am running out of photos but mostly because I am frustrated.

1/16/2014 7:40:11 PM

  Did they ever get to December 13th? I'm getting tired of checking (especially, as my earlier ones in December didn't make the cut.)

1/16/2014 8:22:17 PM

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  Kathy, I've seen some EPs from the 12th. Not sure if they're done with the 12th, though. Haven't seen anything from the 13th.

1/16/2014 8:29:48 PM

  Thanks, Ken. After the huge surge, it feels like the judging hit a plateau again (sounds like dieting, doesn't it?)

1/16/2014 8:34:13 PM

  Now this makes it more interesting as far as trying to figure out the EP stamp sequence........

I really hope my images from December 11 to December 30 are not skipped, as I just found out that I got an EP for my December 31 submit, go figure!!!!

UB.

1/17/2014 1:28:57 AM

  12/31..MT.. Confetti

1/17/2014 2:10:30 AM

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  White-Lined Sphinx Moth
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12/31 Animals

1/17/2014 6:38:50 AM

  Well, nothing for me from the 31st at the moment, but I also found an early one that I assumed had been skipped. December 3, Travel and Place. My last one before that was December 11.

< a href=http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/big.asp?photoID=14300548>Solomon's Castle

1/17/2014 7:14:36 AM

  Whoops, I think I had a space where there shouldn't have been one.

Well, nothing for me from the 31st at the moment, but I also found an early one that I assumed had been skipped. December 3, Travel and Place. My last one before that was December 11.

Solomon's Castle

1/17/2014 7:15:20 AM

  One on Dec. 8 and the "next" on Dec. 31 (and I've entered every single day). Guess nothing between passed muster!

1/17/2014 3:29:17 PM

  Can't say this often enough. The pattern is the same for me and everyone, I think, Monnie. Don't make any assumptions.
Nikki

1/17/2014 3:34:57 PM

  I've got 6 more in mid-December that I have hopes for. If none of them "pass muster", I may consider quitting. Oh, wait, I can't quit...I'm paid up thru 2022....hahaha

1/17/2014 3:49:13 PM

  12/1-Barely Dawn
12/3-Winter's Twilight With Venus
12/22-Christmas Tree Starburst

They backtracked with these, so I guess I'm a little confused. Maybe in February, they will pick up some of the rest of December?

1/17/2014 4:30:16 PM

 
 
  Star Crossed
Star Crossed
Details from a wire holiday basket. Minor adjustments and black and white conversion in PS CC.
 
 
Interesting. I got this one for 12/31, so I thought they had skipped everything else. (And maybe they did ... who knows?)

One thing is for sure ... they definitely keep us guessing. LOL!

12/31 Details & Macro

1/17/2014 7:41:49 PM

  Everyone of my entries were submitted after the 26th... Not one EP?? I definitely won't be renewing. It appears BP will, more than likely, loose some loyal customers with this b... s...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/18/2014 7:28:14 AM

  It appears that BP should change it's name to BB....as in, Big Brother is Watching You.... hahahaha

1/18/2014 3:59:15 PM

  I am disturbed by this. Maybe "Hal" is the moderator.

1/18/2014 4:15:52 PM

  Comment removed by moderator.


(haha, just kidding)

1/18/2014 5:50:23 PM

  LOL!

1/18/2014 6:27:20 PM

  Good one, Martha.. :-)

1/18/2014 7:07:31 PM

James Miotke
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  Hi everyone. Jim here... aka Big Brother ;-)

(Martha, you made my wife and I laugh out loud).

Here's the deal...

When people take a BetterPhoto class, they get constructive feedback. We hold our instructors to the highest standards of kindness, encouragement, and inspiration.

The same standard applies to communications between members and communications from members to Team BetterPhoto. Our Terms and Conditions are clear about this.

So I'm going to make a habit of checking the forums and removing comments that don't hold up to this standard.

I'll also be HIGHLIGHTING comments that are exceptionally awesome.

Get 20 such highlighted comments and I will personally comment on one of your photos, if you like.

So really what I'm looking for is helpful, welcoming, encouraging commentary. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it when I see one member helping out other members.

I also love it when people are warm and friendly in their comments to me and my staff. As you would when commenting on another member's photo, you can give constructive, helpful feedback without being nasty, venting, or leading people away from BetterPhoto.

And I am not asking anyone has to be insincere. If you feel you really need to send us constructive feedback, send me or Kerry a private email. But know that if you swear in the email or anything like that, I won't respond.

So....

I've heard so many people say they check BetterPhoto every morning with their cup of coffee.

I'll be joining you... but with my green drink :)

1/18/2014 7:31:45 PM

  Finally, finally, finally! We've all been waiting a very long time, Jim C., for you to talk to us! Thank you.

p.s., I check BP every morning with my Diet Pepsi, and, every afternoon with my cold beer... ;-)

1/18/2014 8:08:15 PM

  I don't know what to say....

1/18/2014 8:09:33 PM

James Miotke
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  Speechless... :)

1/18/2014 8:21:50 PM

  Welcome to the thread, Jim! It is great to hear from you!

1/18/2014 8:29:17 PM

  I am not easily rendered speechless. Actually I was just wondering what would be considered acceptable. I am glad to know that you are reading the posts and can only hope the concerns expressed here are taken into account. Best regards.

1/18/2014 8:48:51 PM

  Oh Jim, we are all so eager to know the process of giving the EPs. As you know BP badges are a great positive reinforcer for all who want to improve their skills. And BP members are ALL in this category, as you know better than anyone else. So we would really appreciate if you could give us an indication on how/when to expect the EP awards throughout the month.
Looking forward to receiving your input!

1/18/2014 8:59:34 PM

  Wow, thanks Jim for being here for us all. I welcome this change and am taking this as a new year gift from BP to its members. Well, I have already started loving BetterPhoto 2.0 ;)

UB.

1/18/2014 9:23:11 PM

  I just noticed that an EP appeared on my Dec 2 entry!!

UB.

1/18/2014 9:51:29 PM

James Miotke
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  Hi Beatriz,

Every photo is viewed by one of my team members.

(and there are SIX rounds so every winning photo is viewed at least six times... often a lot more.)

Editor's Picks make it through Round 1. My original intention was to make it so people wanting to comment on photos can do so without having to weed through multiple versions of the same photo or photos that were not up to our first round standards.

We ARE behind at the moment... holidays... overload of work. It really takes A LOT to run this site! We've created hundreds of functions and thousands of pages, and you all have contributed millions of inspiring photos and lots of great community interactions. Every piece is a moving part and it takes a lot of management.

Good news, we are a small but mighty team and we are up to the task.

We are behind more than usual but I'm bringing in some extra help and we'll be back on track in no time.

My goal is to get it so that the previous month gets judged (most of it at least) before the current month gets judged... we do have to do some juggling back and forth between months because the current contestants want fast feedback too.

But no month or photo is getting skipped.

I am committed to making this the best BetterPhoto it's ever been this year. I am going to play full out and improve a bunch of things that are on my To Do list - with the contest, with the courses, with the websites... It's going to be a fantastic year.

Help us out by telling your photography friends about us: the more people coming to the contest and the forum will only help us be a great resource for you and your inspired photography.

1/18/2014 9:53:14 PM

  Usman, I truly love your never-ending positive attitude!
Big Brother Jim, I hope you can see the great community of photographers you have here. Many friendships have been made because of BP, and we all want it to continue to grow and thrive for years to come. All we ask is for communication between us and all of you at BP. If Editors Picks are going to be slow getting out, fine, just let us know. If you are handing out less EP's than before, great, just let us know why.
You will have a very happy group of people supporting BetterPhoto 2.0! :-)

1/18/2014 9:53:29 PM

  OK... speechless to say the least...
Thanks Jim for viewing and commenting on your BP communities concerns. I also want to apologize to everyone for my childish comments and posts.
I truly do enjoy this site and it seems my frustration got the best of me.

1/19/2014 12:17:17 AM

  Garret, you really don't have to apologize. For the past 8 or 9 months, we've all put our 2-cents worth in. It's been a hurtful, frustrating time. Many of us have gone from a fruitful, joyful life together here at BP - earning and sharing our EP news in this thread - to a sense that we no longer are good enough photographers to count anymore.

Jim, it is nice that you've joined us in this thread to explain that the team is behind schedule. We truly do get that part and accept it. But, please - try to lessen the jumping around between two months (finish, then continue) and judge in order within the month too. We USED to visit BP every day - with happy anticipation. Now, it's more likely that we visit in answer to an email notification (and ends up feeling like ripping a bandage off a wound.)

I loved BP, and stayed active because I continued to learn and improve. After 9 months of the "changes", I'm feeling as though that was a fantasy, and I'm really a mediocre photographer. That's just sad. But, it is encouraging that you're joining into the discussions now.

1/19/2014 2:42:33 AM

  Has BP heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH? Removing comments that are not directly offensive (in terms of swearing etc.) goes against it. Customers have the right to express their opinions: both positive and negative.

1/19/2014 5:32:15 AM

  Has anyone gone through the whole thread and realized what has been removed and what has been highlighted. It is very interesting to see. I will have to say this thread has taken a truly bizarre direction.

1/19/2014 8:32:15 AM

  Yes, I think you summed it up, Patricia.

1/19/2014 10:37:53 AM

  Hope springs eternal in the photo contestant's heart... Does anyone actually where the judging is? My entries for December are overall ho hum but I would like to know which ones were skipped. Looks like a lot of them...

1/19/2014 10:58:58 AM

  Jim,
Thank you for addressing my point and confirming that you are behind at the moment. As others have said, receiving regular information and feedback from you and BP means a whole lot for all of us.
For my part I can assure you that a fruitful communication with you/BP will elevate my willingness to participate in this great site.

1/19/2014 11:25:58 AM

  Harriet, I think they are up to December 12th. They can't do judging today. They are going to watch the NFL play offs. Aren't we all? LOL Go Seattle, Seahawks and Denver, Broncos!!!

1/19/2014 11:31:45 AM

  When countries don't have free speech, their populations do virtually everything they can to get out, sometime at the risk of their lives. Their lives are run by the government of a dictator, who spits propaganda to the populous, while threatening their speech with expulsion. The populous begins to leave, sometimes at great risk, leaving all they have accrued behind. I see that happening on this site, since the "changes" have been taking place, by many of my friends, who want me to join them at another site. Until now, I was playing the "waiting game," until my gallery was up for renewal. However, it seems that this site just wants to hear the good things about it, with no comments about the bad- it is not a democracy! And it citizens are leaving in droves. I will lose a few hundred dollars, Jim, if you kick me off, but you will still be losing great photographers. Your contest doesn't mean that much to me anymore. It is the people that matter to me, and so should to you. It doesn't make good business sense to ridicule your clients in print by taking down their comments, that you do not want to hear. The man apologized, and you, essentially spit in his face.

1/19/2014 11:35:48 AM

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  Finally I got an EP for December!

o'er a range far and wide

One from my trip of Johnson City so that's exciting for me.

1/19/2014 12:29:38 PM

  Way to go, April. What date was the EP? Keep hanging in there.

1/19/2014 1:06:10 PM

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  Thanks Harriet. I don't the date, it had to be after 12/8 because that's the date I uploaded it. I used to be able to keep track even after the month had past because I could count back since I entered each day. However, I don't see much use in taking the time each day to do so. But hey one for the month :)

1/19/2014 1:11:39 PM

  12/12..SKIPPED
12/13..Flowers..Sunflower Rearview

1/19/2014 2:56:56 PM

  What's a Girl gotta do to get a highlighted comment around here??

1/19/2014 3:22:31 PM

  Read the post from last night... To each his/her own.

1/19/2014 3:34:26 PM

  What's H&D and NLT?

I have read through this entire thread and realize I'm not the only one who isn't getting EPs. In the four years I've been a member, my photos have never gone beyond Finalist and I've never received a POTD. It's discouraging not knowing how images are judged.

I'm glad to hear changes are in the works and hopefully they'll take place sooner rather than later.


1/19/2014 3:39:28 PM

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  I don't know what NLT is but H&D is HIGH AND DRY: A photographic exhibition of peoples & places of the world’s dry lands. It is an annual juried exhibition that Harriet and I participate in. This past year's juror was David Michael Kennedy.

1/19/2014 4:04:30 PM

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  Beth, I was the one that used "NLT." It means "no later than."

1/19/2014 4:09:18 PM

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  Yummy
Yummy
 
 
12/13 Animals

12/15 Details and Macro
Yellow and Purple

1/19/2014 4:39:16 PM

  12/14..SKIPPED
12/15..EOD..Colorful Dewdrops On A Nice Website

1/19/2014 4:40:23 PM

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  A couple of more for December, I'm really glad about the first one since it was -5 degrees that day, not counting the wind chill. ~April

One Cold Day

a lifetime of struggle

1/19/2014 4:48:09 PM

  12/16..MT..Gift Wrapping

1/19/2014 5:45:42 PM

  April, I love the tree. I would have commented on your page but I could not figure out how.

1/19/2014 6:32:34 PM

  So, I see that I have been silenced by Jim! He just doesn't get it. If he had offered a positive solution, or apologized to those who exercised their free speech, the outcome may have been different for Tiia, Garret and Me, but when we have been censured, illegally, well then, it won't stop with just us. I read your terms and conditions often, Jim, and none of our concerns with your site used any swear words, we did not threaten you, and we are all paying customers for now. What are you afraid of ?????

1/19/2014 7:48:13 PM

 
 
  Dawn the First Day of Snow
Dawn the First Day of Snow
 
 
12/12 - 12/14 skipped
12/15 Dawn the First Day of Snow

1/19/2014 7:53:13 PM

  12/16
Nandina Leaf

1/19/2014 8:10:19 PM

  Well, what did I tell you??? We have been censured!

1/19/2014 8:35:47 PM

  Thanks Jim for weighing in. I can't even imagine how much work it is to maintain a site like Betterphoto! It's amazing that you guys do all that you do. I think everyone felt that there was definitely something different happening when it came to the contests and the way the EPs and POTD and Monthly awards were given. You've given us some explanation and for that I am sure most of us are grateful. Is there a forum or some place on the site where a photographer can get some feedback about certain photos and why they might not be up to snuff? I know this has all caused me to think that I need to up my game which is a good thing. Everyone can always improve even if only in minor ways. I am wondering if maybe the competition has simply gotten stiffer or if I just had beginner's luck. Either way...happy to be a member here and happy for everyone's support. Thanks again Jim for all that you and your staff does!

1/19/2014 8:44:18 PM

  Thanks, April and Ken. Harriet, this is not the only site with contests.

I missed the $50 discount or "2-fer". I wonder if it will be offered again soon? After four years and only three or four "finalists" I'm a bit discouraged. I don't know how long I'll keep entering. As it is, I only enter maybe once or twice a month.

Betty Ann, I like you idea about palace on the site where we can get feedback. That's how to improve.

1/19/2014 9:17:00 PM

  12/17..Animals..Fawn
12/18..Landscape..A Spectacle Of Light And Color

1/20/2014 1:52:50 AM

  Dec 11,12 and 15 skipped.

Happy to have got EPs on Dec 13, 14, 16, 17 and 18.

UB.

1/20/2014 2:13:41 AM

  Only 19 To Go

1/20/2014 4:49:39 AM

  LOL That's a start, Melodie.

1/20/2014 5:07:56 AM

  Now they are moving very fast: I got EPs for 26th and 30th... (the rest got skipped). Maybe they'll announce Staff Favorites etc. soon....

1/20/2014 5:23:49 AM

Ken Beatty
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  Wow only 3 out of 23 entries were skipped! Is judging being more generous?

1/20/2014 5:39:49 AM

Ken Beatty
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  I guess I've been away from this thread for a while. Jim - thank you for providing a place where we can grow and socialize around photography! Critique is so important to me an likely most serious photographers. You offered a great environment to do just that. I'm thankful for the clubs where we can connect and offer great and valuable constructive feedback. And's really great to know you hear us.

1/20/2014 6:01:47 AM

  12/19..Macro..Breaking Away
12/20..DD..Whispers On The Breeze
12/21..Frost 20131129-14
12/22..EOD..Spider At Home
12/23..SKIPPED
12/24..Macro..Web 20131022-223
12/25..MT..Almost Like Christmas
12/16..DD..Holiday Décor
12/27..Landscape..Under A Beautiful Oklahoma Sky
12/28..EOD..Web 20131022-37
12/29..MT..A Local Tree In Holiday Finery
12/30..T/P..A Rainy Day At Mountain Fork Park
12/31..MT..Confetti (previously posted)
28 of 31 for December. A minor miracle. I'll take it!

1/20/2014 7:17:11 AM

  Congratulations Carolyn and Ken and others who finished well.

9 of 28 for the month for me, just under 1/3 and my lowest % since I can remember. Got them on December 15, 16, and 17 but then got skipped on 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, and 31. Got lucky on the 25th and 30th :)

Good luck to everyone as they move forward.

1/20/2014 7:58:43 AM

James Miotke
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  Great discussion, and great photos, everyone!

As far as a place to get really great constructive, pro feedback... we have that in the courses. It takes a lot of care and thought and time, so it costs a bit to take a feedback-based course.

People have often asked us to comment more on both their own photos and winning photos. I wish we could but we don't have the resources to put in that time on top of everything else.

I've encouraged others to critique each other but, understandably, most people do not want to risk hurting people's feelings or discouraging a budding artist. I wholeheartedly support that.

I've recently had an idea that I want to run by you: "Suggest a Critique" - where you anonymously give someone a real, thoughtful, helpful, constructive critique... and submit it anonymously. I or one of my team members will review and, if we agree, we'll click "Publish" and it'll show up anonymously on the site. Any thoughts? Like it? Would you do that? Once a day or once a week? Never? Let me know.

Congratulations, those with Editor's Picks!

(And guess what, we're not done... there's a few more to come... probably in a few days.)

Have fun!

1/20/2014 8:40:12 AM

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  Jim, if the person wants an honest critique, then I'm all for trying your idea. And I know a lot of people critique privately. There are some people that ask for a critique, but then are defensive when the person makes positive comments. And we have all seen people who get upset with any type of feedback. But maybe you can have a check box to toggle on, if person wants feedback, then maybe a "request feedback" page that folks can browse in search of photos to comment on, filtered by your staff. But this filtering may take time away from EPs :-)

1/20/2014 8:49:47 AM

  LOVE that idea, Jim! The members on this site have a lot of knowledge to share, and I think having their suggestions confirmed by BP staff would be a big plus. Having the whole thing anonymous will encourage more people to offer honest critiques.

1/20/2014 8:49:48 AM

  I definitely agree with Ken though...members should specifically opt-in for critique.

1/20/2014 8:52:00 AM

  I personally would love critiques but Jim...this still sounds like a lot of work for you and your staff. I don't like the anonymous part though...but that's just me. I am open to any constructive criticism. Thanks for putting all this thought into this.

1/20/2014 9:17:40 AM

  Thanks Jim for sharing with us the proposed idea of adding a anonymous critiquing section at BP. I definitely like it, think its a great tool if properly handled, and will result in helping many of us members improve our knowledge/photographic skills/thought-process/editing techniques etc.

Maybe there are three sections in the proposed section for critiquing;

Thick-Skinned (for members who want and can digest anything thrown at them),
Moderate Skinned (for members who want and can digest moderately strong critiques)
Thin-Skinned (For people who want gentle critiques only)

However, I agree with Ken that doing this will be an added chore for Team BP to keep the thread moderated.

UB.

1/20/2014 9:18:15 AM

  Great idea, Jim. I have learned so much from this site and from the members here already. I might be sitting myself up here but I could use some help with my snow pictures. Not real happy with the tones.

1/20/2014 9:20:02 AM

  And good to know that a few more EPs my still pop up in December :)

UB.

1/20/2014 9:23:28 AM

  12/1-Barely Dawn
12/3-Winter's Twilight With Venus
12/6-Snow Clouds Filter The Sun
12/22-Christmas Tree Starburst
12/28-Sierra Sundown

Everything else was skipped so far.

1/20/2014 9:25:39 AM

  Tammy, don't know if you saw this, but Jim Zuckerman had an excellent article about exposing for snow in his latest Photo Insights e-magazine (January 2014). You can read it on his website at www.jimzuckerman.com.
Peggy

1/20/2014 10:02:15 AM

  Thanks, Peggy. I will take a look at that. Don't remember seeing it before. I enjoy being outside even in cold weather. So in WV that includes the snow and of course that means with the camera. Appreciate the information.

1/20/2014 10:20:40 AM

  I had assumed this one certainly had been skipped, but an EP just recently popped up. Don't know exactly when, but probably today. December 7, Catch-All.

Way Back When

1/20/2014 10:29:18 AM

  Jim, I also think it's a comments/critiques are a great idea; but I don't like the idea of anonymous. It seems to me if someone takes the time to comment on an image, you should know who it is and you can have a "conversation" with that person. When I offer constructive comments comments, I often preface it with "If I'm overstepping, please let me know, but I personally welcome it."

1/20/2014 11:04:24 AM

  I took JZ's course on snow photography & learned a lot. One POTD from it. Nothing else, but I was still happy. So was JimZ - nice critiques from him.

1/20/2014 12:41:11 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  I agree with Ken Beatty that BP has given me a place where I can learn, take critiques, and get to know fellow photographers. Before BP, I knew that I had a passion for photography and wanted to learn more. But, my confidence level was so low. I liked my work, but I wasn't quite sure where to start. I took classes, and I hired tutors to help. But, I still didn't really feel comfortable with my daily work. Then I discovered BP, and it opened so many avenues. I have gained so much confidence in my work, daily challenged by the amazing work of the other photographers, and have been able to take classes and continue to learn.
I get such a rush from the EP, Favorites, and Finalist awards, and it is a blast to check and see what has been awarded.

So, Thank you Jim, fellow photographers, and instructors.

Jane

1/20/2014 12:49:31 PM

  Whew! I just now came back to this place, and what a bunch of comments, and I read them all.

As far as December, I only have one, 12-28, "Let the Sun Shine In"

Will get back to checking in here, very interesting.
Hey...what does "Removed by Moderator"?
So what do we not need to do to keep that from happening!

I have so enjoyed looking at nearly all of you and your gallery several times a month!

Of course I always look at Ken Smith's, I was in a group with him and several others back in 2006 or 2007 when I first began and they were soooo helpful!

Friends are priceless!

Have a great month gang....

jo ann c.

1/20/2014 3:08:36 PM

  Jo Ann, to keep from getting censured, you need not complain, or say anything negative, whether concerns with this site, or not. You WILL get your comments bolded and in BIG letters if you gush and drool over how great a site it is, and thank BP for all your photo success.

1/20/2014 3:15:33 PM

  I guess I am missing something, I didn't realize how important EP's are. In the overall scheme of things they are pretty far down on my list. :)
bb/wy

1/20/2014 4:00:22 PM

  If they are not important, why even enter the contest? "Contest" denotes competition and a competition is to win some sort of recognition or prize. An EP tells the photographer that their work meets a certain standard and can be considered for finalist and possibly more. Frankly, it is a sifting process. No one wants to have every photo "sifted" all the time. The reward keeps one from giving up hope and keeps one striving to improve.

1/20/2014 5:04:39 PM

  Maybe I should explain my comment better. I enter the contest when I have time and because it's fun for me. A ep is nice but it is for this site only. Every judge has a different opinion. I have had photos that won 1st or 2nd on a local and state level that sometimes win on line and sometimes don't. One was picked by Kodak for the digital board in New York and won only one contest online. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I have seen your work and like it very much. I think some of the missed ones should have ep's but I am not a judge. :)
I shoot what I like and sometimes like what I shoot, keep learning and have a great hobby that I really enjoy. It doesn't get any better than this.
bb/wy

1/20/2014 5:41:17 PM

  You probably have a better attitude about the contest than most. I thoroughly agree that one should always shoot what they like. To copy someone's style is to not develop one's own style. It is as simple as this, while EP's in the grand scheme of things are not of eternal value, they do keep one coming back for more... Thanks, for the kind remarks.

1/20/2014 5:49:35 PM

  If they are done with December, these are my EPs. Very happy to have ended up with six out of eight.

Good luck everyone!

12/2 Details & Macro All Roads Lead to …

12/22 Monthly Theme Holiday Abstract

12/26 Details & Macro Cherry Nut Cookies

12/28 Details & Macro Cherry in the Snow

12/29 Elements of Design Ceramic Pots

12/31 Details & Macro Star Crossed

1/20/2014 6:17:58 PM

  Nature & Landscapes:
12/18/13 - Cass River Twilight

Nature & Landscapes:
12/22/13 - Winter Blue

Nature & Landscapes:
12/31/13 - A Cold Christmas Morning

6 others did not receive an EP. It was especially disappointing about 2 of them - both are Monthly Theme entries. If anyone would honestly critique them, it would be helpful and much appreciated. Thank you.


Monthly Theme:
12/03/13 – Hat Rack

Monthly Theme:
12/13/13 – The Empty Manger

1/21/2014 12:35:31 AM

  Is there a January thread yet?

1/21/2014 8:29:43 AM

  January EPs, Staff Favorites, Finalists, Winners only...

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=36076

You can also go to the URL for this thread and just change the final digits to 36076 (that makes it easy to move back and forth between the threads.)

1/21/2014 2:07:00 PM

  Thanks Kathy.

1/21/2014 2:28:45 PM

  Nandina Leaf
12/16
Detail & Macro

Virginia Farm
12/18
Digital Darkroom

Party Animal
12/19
People

1/22/2014 2:14:09 AM

Ken Beatty
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  Did anyone mention that the date on the contest entry date seems to be wrong. I just posted for 1/22 and the date entered was 1/21.... What's up?

1/22/2014 3:41:54 PM

  Ken, I just posted a pic for today 1/22 and the up load date is 1/22

1/22/2014 4:10:35 PM

Ken Beatty
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  Wow! I just entered my last photo 2 hours ago and it said 1/21 and just for grins and giggles I tried to enter another photo and it let me enter one for the 1/22.... That's a new one.

1/22/2014 4:31:56 PM

  I will not be doing the forum anymore. I had my comment deleted and as far as I remember there was nothing negative about it. I have taken my own time to try and help out and get treated like this...so glad I just spent $49.00...Thanks whoever is deleting stuff...not nice!Somebody else can take it over next month ok?

1/22/2014 10:33:12 PM

  Jill, it's the powers that be (Jim M) deleting comments and highlighting the positive ones! So sorry about your unjust treatment Jill!

1/22/2014 11:26:44 PM

  Jill, I want to thank you for picking up the "baton" when Cheri was no longer able to continue this thread. Your doing so meant we all had some place to be together for a bit of time.

1/23/2014 12:11:46 AM

  Kathy and Joannie, anybody can handle it. You just go to "Ask a New Question" and post it for Feb...I just thought it was nice to have somewhere to be able to keep track of what was going on with EPs , Staff Favorites,and Finalists. To me a forum means a place to be able to say what is on your mind. From now on I will just send BP mail when I have a question.

1/23/2014 12:43:37 AM

  Jill, you have been the best forum leader. All of us who have been "deleted" are justified in our anger. After all, we have paid for the "privilege of commenting. When JM deleted our responses, HE broke that contract, by taking away a right (according to general rights of contract). None of the comments made on this page were going against the terms and conditions, and by taking them off, BP Jim has broken the plied contractual conditions.

Will miss you, but maybe you'll check in with us?

1/31/2014 8:59:39 AM

  He could have told us what was going on in the very beginning and everyone would have understood. This deleting and highlighting is something I have never seen before. It doesn't set well with me. The sad part is I have lost respect and confidence in this site. I will participate when I can because I stupidly signed up for 2years. Hope someone keeps the thread alive because it is the only way we have any idea what is happening.

1/31/2014 3:48:36 PM

  Well, there ya go! Deleting our forum contents again-not adult behavior.....

1/31/2014 7:15:06 PM

  You never know, BP mail may not be private either.

1/31/2014 7:17:09 PM

  Beep, beep beep beep beep. Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beeeeeeeeep!


(Thought I would beat um to it)

1/31/2014 7:17:29 PM

  You never know, BP mail may not be private either.

1/31/2014 7:18:06 PM

  Looks like the December finalists and winners came out all at once!

2/2/2014 1:23:03 PM

  Wow, a lot of comments have been removed.

2/2/2014 7:39:04 PM

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  Yes, the Staff Favorites, Finalists, and Winners all came out on the last day of the month. Our intention is to improve the timing of the contest this month. Keep an eye out for great changes and more timely feedback for you.

2/4/2014 7:37:20 AM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Jim,

Thank you Jim! We appreciate the time and effort this process requires.

Jane

2/4/2014 7:53:51 AM

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  Jim - I think we've shifted over to the new EFP thread for January. Many of us arn't following this thread anymore.

2/4/2014 8:45:32 AM

  Jim,
This is all we wanted as we all like BP. I know this is a big undertaking in running this site and the improvements you mentioned will be greatly appreciated and looked forward to.

Harriet Feagin

2/4/2014 11:38:49 AM

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  34 .  October Countdown
Greetings from DC, were fall is well and truly underway!

This monthly thread is intended to let you share your one favorite image from your entries last month -- your personal favorite, or maybe your most hopeful, or your proudest photographic achievement that month, etc.; often, this isn't always the image that you *think* will potentially go on to Finalist or better, and it may not be an image the BP Judges are drawn to! It isn't about predicting a Finalist/Winner (although that's a fun trick when it happens here!); it is about sharing your personal best/favorite image.

So give your favorite a showcase here, tell us why you picked it, and join us in the countdown... Best of luck to everyone in the October contest results!

++++++++++++++++++
Some helpful hints for attaching photos into a BP Forum Thread, if you're unfamiliar with the process:

1) Sign into BP (name + password.) IF YOU HAVE NOT YET entered the Contest for today, you can take advantage of the "Photo ID" method to pull an existing image from your Member Center into your Reply here.) This avoids a duplicate image upload to your Member Center. First go get the Photo ID# of the image you wish to include here (visible in your Member Center) then return to this thread, click Respond, enter the text of your reply, and choose "1" from the images-to-attach drop-down (even though you won't actually be uploading a file.) Click Submit; at the next screen populate the "Photo ID" field shown over at the right. Skip the other text fields on that screen, and finalize the submit at the bottom.

2) IF YOU HAVE ALREADY entered the Contest for today, you can't use the Photo ID method *today*. Either wait until tomorrow to reply here (*before* making your new Contest entry) or upload a copy (from your PC) of the image into this thread. This produces a duplicate image in your Member Center; however, you don't have to make that duplicate visible in your Gallery.

If you're uploading a duplicate, I suggest titling it "For Forum" so it stands out in your Member Center, for easier housecleaning later on. This can also help direct BP viewers to go find the original image in your gallery, if they want to leave a comment. Likewise, if you want to add a comment to a photo seen here, first try to tell if it is a duplicate upload. As a courtesy, try to find the original image in the member's gallery and leave your comment there instead of on the duplicate... which may one day be deleted.

11/18/2013 5:08:24 AM

 
 
 
So I get to be first this month. I have two hopefuls, Ascent which is special to me personally for a couple of reasons and Chevy of the Mountains which is the one I have decided to post. It feels so funny to be choosing a favorite when a third of my entries - including this one - haven't even been looked at in terms of EPs, but there it is.

Good luck to everyone in the quest for Staff Favorite, Finalist and Winner; and remember, any image you really like personally is already "gold".

11/18/2013 6:38:15 AM

 
 
  Baby Boy Blues
Baby Boy Blues
 
 
Here's my favorite for October. I usually don't do "people" photography but I took some shots of this little guy as a favor for a friend. He looks so serious in this photo and normally he is grinning from ear to ear and his eyes are so blue they just sparkle. It was a such a fun shoot for me!

11/18/2013 6:56:31 AM

 
 
  Mauve Morning
Mauve Morning
Sunrise on the north shore of Kauai.

f/4, 1/20, +.5, ISO640, 40mm

** Nature & Landscapes **

 
 
Thanks for hosting the thread again, Chris!

This is one of my favorite shots from last summer's Kauai trip. It was skipped over for an EP, so I decided to showcase it here.

Good luck everyone, in the contest, and in achieving your own photographic goals this month!

11/18/2013 7:26:30 AM

 
 
  It's A Small, Small World
It's A Small, Small World
 
  Chain Of Rain
Chain Of Rain
 
 
I'm going with my personal favorites, too. I have 2 of them.

11/18/2013 10:04:42 AM

 
 
  boundless
boundless

Emylee is wearing a strapless blouse in this shot..:)
Thanks for looking!

~People~

 
 
Wow... another month down.. I haven't been entering much but I guess I'll go with this fav. of mine.. Emy from a few years back...

11/18/2013 3:26:57 PM

  I'm just tagging in - already entered today. Good luck everyone!

11/18/2013 4:47:17 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
Undulation
Undulation
Striking balcony shapes on a high-rise in Chicago.
10/13 Finalist - EoD
 
 
I too, had already entered yesterday before I started the thread... So here's my October favorite, from an October visit to Chicago... This building was still partially under construction the last time I was in Chicago, so I was thrilled to see it again, without any scaffolding. I really like the lines of the balconies, and I was very happy with this particular b/w conversion, with the bright edges.

11/19/2013 4:12:52 AM

 
 
 
This is a completely new rework of an old favorite of mine. Best wishes to everyone on your advancement of your favorite photo!


Errick

11/19/2013 4:59:42 AM

  I really like your image Chris. Well done! Errick

11/19/2013 10:49:27 AM

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  End of the Season
End of the Season
Beaver's Bend in Oklahoma
 
 
I only entered a few in October, but this one is my favorite.

11/19/2013 4:47:54 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Thanks, Errick! It is such a cool building. Part hotel -- I will have to see about getting a room inside the building, next time!

11/19/2013 4:50:41 PM

 
 
  Red Barn and Clouds
Red Barn and Clouds
 
 
Red Barn and Clouds. I found this barn while driving around New Hampshire last fall. Love the weird faces by the fence and all the stuff hanging on the barn :-)

11/19/2013 5:40:36 PM

 
 
  The Hangover Effect
The Hangover Effect
Shot on a Saturday night in one of the escalators of an Underground train station in London.
 
 
Here's my fave of the month. Good luck all.

UB.

11/21/2013 8:15:17 AM

 
 
  my girl
my girl
 
 
Here's my favorite from October. Good luck everyone!

11/21/2013 7:29:55 PM

  I now know my fave above is not getting any badges as it was just skipped for an EP. Looking forward to many here advance to Gold, good luck.

UB.

11/23/2013 9:20:03 AM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
design=Oct 27
design=Oct 27
Design at our hotel in Orlando. Element of Design.
 
 
I had two favorites one made an editors pick the other did not.

This is the one that did.

11/23/2013 3:25:50 PM

 
 
  Rhiannon
Rhiannon
Queen of the fairies...
 
 
digital darkroom

11/24/2013 3:11:05 PM

Lola M.
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  Country Beauty
Country Beauty
 
 
My favorite. Monthly Theme Category

11/25/2013 9:05:20 AM

 
 
  Her Secrets
Her Secrets

Detail of center of fall chrysanthemum. Minor adjustments in CS5.
 
 
Hard to choose a favorite because all my photos are my "babies" ... but I'll choose this one ...

Details & Macro

11/25/2013 10:29:15 AM

  Well, I did pick up an EP on my favorite above - as well as on my other "favorite" that I didn't post. Looking for Staff Favorites in the next couple of days but that may be optimistic :)

Good luck to everyone.

11/25/2013 10:40:50 AM

  two of my editor picks disappeared off my pictures for october. MMMMMM

11/25/2013 8:14:32 PM

 
 
  Magical Light
Magical Light
Uploaded Sept 13
 
 
One of my favorites for the month. Good luck everyone.

11/26/2013 5:03:34 AM

 
 
  The Long Walk
The Long Walk
just love the walk up to this old plantation home.
 
 
well since my editors pick disappeared I will choose another LOL

11/26/2013 11:42:34 AM

  I received emails for 6 staff favorites (not the one I had picked above). Looks like finalists should be out soon! Fingers crossed for my 6 and for all your favorites too!

11/29/2013 3:19:56 PM

  Hoping for finalists tonight! Good luck, all!

11/29/2013 3:50:49 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Don't know that I can stay up much later hoping to see if they come out tonight… My favorite pic here in the thread, did advance to staff favorite, so my fingers are crossed that it goes on… Best wishes (and a happy Thanksgiving weekend) to everyone!

11/29/2013 6:14:32 PM

  I got one staff favorite and it the picture I picked as my favorite in the this thread.

It my first staff favorite.

11/29/2013 6:55:25 PM

  I think you got it, Chris!

11/29/2013 7:04:45 PM

  Finalists are out!
Two for me ...

11/29/2013 7:37:19 PM

  Congratulations to the finalists and good luck in the next round. Four of my six staff pics made finalist. Fingers and toes crossed now!

11/29/2013 8:07:57 PM

  2 finalists for me.

11/29/2013 10:31:24 PM

  Shell, that is exactly what happened to me too.

Good luck to all in the Golden round!!!

UB.

11/29/2013 10:43:18 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Congratulations to those with staff favorites, and those whose staff favorites turned into finalists! Fingers crossed for you all, to advance to gold!

11/30/2013 4:31:58 AM

  Congrats and good luck. Two of three for me.

11/30/2013 6:32:09 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Congratulations to the October Winners! I don't see any gold in our picks above, in this thread, but some may in fact have won (if the linked image here is not the original entry...) I know I saw Nikki's name in the list of winners, for starters, on a quick skim so far...

http://www.betterphoto.com/contest/winners/1310.asp

11/30/2013 6:05:01 PM

  Big CONGRATZ to all the Winners. Inspiring imagery as always.

UB.

11/30/2013 6:28:23 PM

  Woooo hooooooo.....I didn't win again. I'm so proud of my record.
Congrats to the winners.

12/1/2013 3:18:22 AM

  Congrats winners. Better luck next time to the rest of us.

12/1/2013 3:29:53 AM

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  35 .  November EFPs
Thought I would get the jump on things this month by posting this before they start handing out EFPs :-)

11/1/2013 12:27:14 PM

  tag

11/2/2013 2:46:37 PM

  I got one for Nov. 1 in elements of Design

11/2/2013 2:48:59 PM

  EP for Nov. 1st in N&L.

11/2/2013 6:10:00 PM

  Getting an EP now feels such a big accomplishment, LOL.

Got one on Nov one.

UB.

11/2/2013 11:26:39 PM

 
 
  *****************
*****************
 
 
11/01 Desert Landscape and Clouds.N and L category

11/3/2013 12:41:08 AM

Schiavonn M. Hasslinger
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  11/02 - Kenzie

Good luck to all for November :)

11/3/2013 9:15:33 AM

  Nov 2

Happy Thanksgiving.

My grandbaby Kailyn with her turkey dress on.

11/3/2013 9:21:19 AM

Pat Harry
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  Weird. I got one for Nov. 1st, too. "Remembering Fallen Journalist".

None for October, though.

11/3/2013 4:53:45 PM

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  Dahlia
Dahlia
 
 
11/2 Flowers

11/3/2013 5:31:29 PM

  Got one for Nov two too.

UB.

11/3/2013 7:26:05 PM

 
 
  Desert Double Rainbow
Desert Double Rainbow
 
 
Desert Double Rainbow MT Category

11/4/2013 9:17:41 AM

Lola M.
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  Cathedral of St. Paul
Cathedral of St. Paul
 
 
11/3 Travel and Place

11/4/2013 2:50:33 PM

  11/2..Macro..A Very Busy Website
11/3..Landscape..It Was Just Going To Be One Quick Shot

I'm back home after a short trip to Beavers Bend. I got rained out yesterday afternoon, but I still had a pretty good time.

11/5/2013 2:42:52 AM

  Nov. 2 and 3 for me - and zero for October.

11/5/2013 5:29:36 AM

  11/4..Macro..Balancing Act

11/5/2013 4:03:24 PM

Pat Harry
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  11/4 - Travel & Place - "The View from George Washington's Porch"

11/5/2013 4:15:06 PM

  I only got 2 for October before they skipped-to:

11/3-Having The Last Word
11/4-Ready For Winter

11/5/2013 5:54:02 PM

 
 
  Lady Sips
Lady Sips
F5.6, 1/1000, 18-55mm nikkor vr @55mm, iso640, natural light.

Animals: November 2, 2013

 
 
Only one entry for November so far for 11/2, with an EP.

11/13/2013 8:51:25 AM

  Haven't been around much lately. (Life three me a curveball and tangled me up in pink ribbons, so to speak.)
But I'm back and I've enjoyed peeking around old friends' galleries... Lots of really great images! I've posted a few images...even revised one when it didn't get an EP. Entered five or six new images since September... no badges.
I guess the judges are telling me to work harder. LOL!
I'm not discouraged, but was a little puzzled....figured that BP had changed a little in the time I'd been away. Was relieved to hear Usman acknowledge that EP 's were tougher to get these days.
Good luck everyone!

11/13/2013 11:59:56 AM

  Lisa, sorry to hear that, and hope all is in good shape now. I'm just checking in here. Same song second verse with the EP stuff and the truly weird schedule.

Nov 1 skip
Nov 2 EP
Nov 3 EP
Nov 4 skip apparently if you're seeing those now.

11/14/2013 9:52:30 AM

  11/5..Landscape..Beautiful Rays Of The Morning
Nothing for October after the 12th. Confusing. The November EP picker should put a boot up the backside of the October EP picker. LOL

11/14/2013 12:05:04 PM

 
 
  Niagara Fantasy (2)
Niagara Fantasy (2)


~♦~•~♥~•~♦~

Seagulls love soaring in the mist of Niagara Falls in late winter.
Melting ice formations resemble marblized boulders.
Captured at the base of Niagara's Bridal Veil Falls
Nikon 18-200VR with Moose (warming) polarizer
(lower right corner edited from prior version)
 
 
Guess what I just found... first EP in a long while. Go figure! ;)
11/5

11/14/2013 1:40:02 PM

  No EP for Nov 3 :(

Gotcha for Nov 4 and 5 though :)

And you crack me up, Carolyn.

UB.

11/15/2013 6:06:15 AM

  Great idea, Carolyn!!!

(I haven't entered anything for November yet.)

11/15/2013 6:47:01 AM

  I decided to put the discouragement behind me and get back to entering every day in November (after all, I had just returned from a fabulous trip to PA to photograph the Elk Herd and landscapes/Vistas.)

You can imagine my excitement to discover they have already judged through November 5th and apparently didn't find any of my images worthy (again!) Geeze, Judges - even Richard Lynch liked one of them!

11/16/2013 7:40:48 AM

Pat Harry
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  Kathy, I don't think you can assume they skipped your entries. I think judging is no longer done linear - they are all over the place. So don't give up!

My gallery expires on 12/1. I'm pretty torn about renewing. I enjoy the company here, but conversation has dropped over the past few months. I'm guilty of that myself. Two weeks to make a decision.

11/16/2013 8:16:14 AM

  My comments fell off too That was a concious effort on my part - I was soooooooo tired of moaning and whining. It was my decision to suck it up and enter one a day this month. It didn't take long to start whining again, so you'll only hear from me when joy returns to Mudville.

Good Luck with the decision-making, Pat - it's a hard one.

11/16/2013 8:33:55 AM

  tagging; haven't entered any yet

11/26/2013 7:15:04 AM

  Just wanted to wish everyone a "Blessed Thanksgiving" (no matter which country you are from.) 26 entries in November and not one EP yet (but 3 in October! Yea!)

How could they ignored the pooping caterpillar???!!!! lollllllll

11/26/2013 8:12:20 AM

  TAG. HAPPY THANKSGIVING WEEK TO ALL THOSE CELEBRATING IT. I PRAY YOU FIND A BUNDLE FULL OF BLESSINGS TO BE GRATEFUL FOR!!!

11/26/2013 5:13:18 PM

  Happy Thanksgiving! Wishing all a safe and happy holiday!

11/27/2013 6:48:06 AM

  Tag.

11/29/2013 9:35:55 AM

 
 
  Mars
Mars
 
 
11/3 skipped
11/5 skipped
11/6 Mars MT category

12/1/2013 10:03:17 PM

  Tag

12/2/2013 9:54:07 PM

  11/6..SKIPPED
11/7..Macro..Web And Accessories
11/8..Animals..Beautifully Colored Butterfly

12/3/2013 11:51:54 AM

  Oct 6 - Rawal Lake Sunset - N&L
Oct 7 - Cruising Thames - DD
Oct 8 - A London Sunrise - T&P

UB.

12/3/2013 8:04:45 PM

  Nov 6 - Rawal Lake Sunset - N&L
Nov 7 - Cruising Thames - DD
Nov 8 - A London Sunrise - T&P

UB.

12/3/2013 9:56:36 PM

  11/4-Sunrise Over High Desert
11/6-Homestead

12/4/2013 6:42:13 AM

  11/9.. Landscape..Cloud Reflections And A Shiny Shore

12/6/2013 9:24:47 AM

 
 
  Mojave Clouds
Mojave Clouds
 
  Desert Truck
Desert Truck
 
 
11/7 and 11/8 skipped
11/8 Mojave Clouds MT category
no posts for 11/9, 11/10 or 11/12
11/12 Desert Truck MT category

12/6/2013 9:36:12 AM

 
 
  Color & Structure
Color & Structure

This is a portion of a new building at a junior college in the Houston, Texas area.
The red structure is a large column sheathed in red metal diamonds with a few scattered diamond shaped windows.
The sun brings out various shades of red, magenta, and orange, ranging to gold, depending on the light.
The silver portion is one of two buttress-looking structures on either side of the column.
The amazing blue sky is typical for Houston in the fall; it was not saturated in post-processing.
 
 
11/10 Elements of Design

12/6/2013 9:40:29 AM

 
 
  Mid Fall Color
Mid Fall Color
A view of the Truckee Meadows (the name of the Valley that sits at the foot of the Sierra-Nevada Mountains in Reno, NV):

Filters and masks were used in PP.

 
 
11/9-Mid Fall Color

12/6/2013 5:03:50 PM

  None for November so far! :-(

12/7/2013 12:21:03 PM

  None for November so far! :-(

12/7/2013 12:21:22 PM

  All November entries are from my trip to PA for the Elk Rut and Vistas. What a wonderful place to be in October!

No EPs for Nov 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12th..

Animals:
11/08 - Afternoon in the Meadow

Catch-All:
11/11 - Fall Fishing

12/7/2013 2:54:13 PM

  Well, I guess I'm skipped for the 10th, 11th and 12th.. Bummer.

12/7/2013 3:12:55 PM

  They skipped me, too, but maybe they just didn't get that far, and will return there- keep hoping!

12/7/2013 4:30:30 PM

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  Sedum
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11/9 Flowers

11/10 Elements of Design
A Work of Art

11/11 Details and Macro
Spoon Rest

12/8/2013 1:45:58 PM

  Nov 9 - Sunset Bites - Catch-All (Skipped)
Nov 10 - On Golden Pond - People
Nov 11 - Tube lights - Elements of Design

UB.

12/9/2013 1:28:48 AM

  Does anyone know what date they are up to in November? Thank you!

12/9/2013 8:02:58 AM

  Kalena, the last one I got was 11/12

12/9/2013 12:22:51 PM

  Thank you, Jill. Mine all went in later than that. Good to know I may still gave a chance! Lol

12/9/2013 9:19:27 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Hey Everyone,

I am new to this forum. I read it all of the time and enjoy your comments. Plus, it helps me to understand what is going on in the contest world. My last EP was 11/11 One Good Looking Bird! I haven't heard anything since then.

I have a question. What does TAG mean? I asked my kids (teenagers), and they thought I fell out of a tree. So, please rescue me.

Thanks,

Jane

P.S. I have followed a lot of your work. It is amazing, and I hope that I can reach to your levels.

P.S.S. Have a Very Merry Christmas!

12/11/2013 6:08:13 PM

 
 
  11/12/13 6:21 AM
11/12/13 6:21 AM
MT category
 
 
11/12/13 6:21 AM MT category

12/11/2013 6:16:04 PM

  "Tag" is just a way of getting your name onto the notification list for the newest thread (assuming that you have elected to receive notifications for threads you participated in.)

You only need to do it once - or not at all if you got an EP and mention that. "Tag" is just a shortcut (you could just as well type "Jane" or "X".)

12/11/2013 6:23:23 PM

  Nov 12 - Golden - Catch-All

Hi Jane, Merry Christmas to you too. This thread is a way for people to know the latest EP award date. I got one for November 12 and I put it here so everyone (who has 'Tagged' or 'latched' or have otherwise commented in this thread and have 'checked X' the option of receiving replies to this discussion thread) would have an email sent to the person informing that there has been some activity in the thread.

Hope this clarifies. And as Kathy says above the word "TAG" is just so tat you receive emails by BP when someone responds in this thread.

UB.

12/11/2013 7:32:53 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Thanks UB and Kathy! You really cleared up the cob webs in my brain. I finally understand. I will check X so I can receive the discussion thread. I appreciate the explanation.

Thanks,

Jane

12/12/2013 3:48:18 PM

  You're welcome, Jane. And... Welcome to our (unofficial and unstructured) group of nice people/terrific photographers!

12/12/2013 4:56:13 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  You're funny! I haven't gotten one EP since 11/11. I will just hang in there. I have had three of my images with a Finalist score, but I have never had a winner. A goal I have to reach for. Just have to continue to work for it. I enjoy the competition. it will stretches me. I have to make sure that I don't get discouraged though. Have to focus on the fun of it.

Have a super day!

Jane

12/12/2013 5:08:52 PM

  I got one for 11/12 - flowers, but don't know how to post the thumbnail. Lol

12/14/2013 9:22:10 AM

  This sure doesn't look good for the November/December months. Nothing since 11/12 and only one for December, how can they possibly keep up if they are going to get this far behind?? It makes you a bit discouraged, especially when there are supposed to be no resubmits and not only are some ignoring this, but they are even winning. It's just not right!

12/16/2013 12:02:04 PM

  I've noticed that also Carolyn!

12/16/2013 1:33:54 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  I agree with Joannie. I also have noticed. They should hire some experienced photographers with Better Photo to help keep up with the contest. I often wonder if they hire the instructors for judges. Just speculating, but the judges may be way to busy. It might be time to look at some excellent photographers that submit photos to judge the contest work.

Have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Jane

12/16/2013 2:00:03 PM

  That's been suggested and rejected years ago, Jane. It has too much potential for cronyism, and of course the person judging would have to withdraw from entering. They would never allow it, and I think they are correct on that issue.

12/16/2013 2:22:55 PM

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  I do like that when EP's are given, they are meaningful. In otherwords, the image has really been looked at, and it worthy of the EP. Not just randomly handed out.

What I don't like is the long, long gap. It takes the fun out of the contest. I enjoyed looking each day to see who had what, and participate in the discussion here. That is what is getting lost.

BP - please, be selective about EP's. This benefits those of us who use the EP as feedback on our image, and motivates us to improve. But stay current, so we can enjoy the process and the social aspect of sharing with other contest participants.

12/16/2013 3:03:43 PM

  We are half way through December and as far as I can tell there are a little over 3,000 entries for the month so far. Back when I first joined BP there would be at least 20,000 entries in any given month and even with that many entries EP's were NEVER this far behind. I have seen many amazingly talented photographers leave this site and it is such a shame. I don't participate like I used to because it's not much fun anymore. It's kind of like a ghost town around here now. Sad.....

12/16/2013 4:09:01 PM

  Ok. After skipping the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, here's one for :
11/14..Landscape.. Dewdrop Morning

12/16/2013 5:12:08 PM

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  Pat and Dayna, I've been with BP since 2005 and have seen the evolution in the contest. I remember 40,000 images one year. And now we're down to 3000 midway thru December. Times have changed. I have suggested to BP on several occasions that they could do two simple things that would make the contest more enjoyable for most: (1) pick a consistent EP rate; e.g. 50%. That way, folks will have a baseline. And (2) hand out EPs in a timely fashion, perhaps no later than one week after the contest day. There's no need to do the mad dash at the end of each month.

I think these two minor changes, which probably don't require any software changes, or website changes, would generate more excitement and ultimately more participation in the contest, which could dove-tail into more interest in classes and/or web sites, or renewals.

Regardless, I love BP and am very thankful I found the site many years ago, as I credit them (and the BP members), for my love of photography. But I would like to see the fun return to the site. And I have many friends that have left the site, because it's not as fun as it used to be (their words). I want the forums to return to tips/techniques for good photos, or "how-to" for Photoshop, or where to travel for certain types of photographs.

12/16/2013 6:19:08 PM

  No entries for me since 11/1. Like Carolyn I also noticed the resubmits of images that had already won Finalist/Winner (no changes other than being reuploaded). I saw them get EPs then SFs so I wrote BP and never heard back. I doubt it's just one person but one of them is very dishonest on here. Once these images went on to Finalist/Winner (again) I pretty much realized this contest, which I resisted believing, really doesn't have the integrity that it once seemed to have.

It's a bummer but in that light, all the other changes from this past year really appear to be just as ill-conceived and shoddy. :(

12/16/2013 6:45:51 PM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Wow Ken I agree with all that you said. I am fairly new to BP. It definitely has been a great experience. I also agree that consistent judging with the time frame is important.

Thanks for your comments!

Jane

12/16/2013 7:45:27 PM

  Nov 13 - From Paris with LUV - Digital Darkroom

UB.

12/16/2013 8:49:57 PM

 
 
  11/12/13  4:56 PM
11/12/13 4:56 PM
 
 
11/13...11/12/13 4:56 PM MT category

12/16/2013 10:01:28 PM

 
 
  11/12/13 6:21 AM
11/12/13 6:21 AM
This is the correct image :-)
 
 
OOOOPS, I just realized I posted the wrong image for 11/12

12/16/2013 10:05:28 PM

 
 
  Ole!
Ole!
 
 
11/14 Ole! E of D category

12/18/2013 9:50:25 AM

  Nov 14 - Curvilinear - Elements of Design

UB.

12/18/2013 8:57:51 PM

  November 15, Elements of Design

Corner to Corner

12/19/2013 6:22:16 AM

  My last one was November 12 which gives me a grand total of 4/13 or 15 (I forgot to enter on the 14th but nothing for the 15th yet) for about a 30% average, my lowest in years.

12/19/2013 7:03:31 AM

 
 
  Autumn Gift from the Garden
Autumn Gift from the Garden
 
 
11/15 Autumn Gift From the Garden Flowers category

12/19/2013 8:30:26 AM

  Looks like a skip for the 15th for me, too. That's 8/15..I guess we can expect a lot of skipping since they are soooo far behind.

12/19/2013 8:36:00 AM

  Nov 15 - Touch of Blue - Flowers
Nov 16 - STREAKY - Catch-All

UB.

12/20/2013 10:53:02 PM

 
 
  Joshua Tree On Mars
Joshua Tree On Mars
 
 
11/16 Joshua Tree on Mars MT category

12/20/2013 11:41:44 PM

  11/16..Flowers..Quiet Beauty

12/21/2013 12:36:08 AM

  Seems I can't buy an EP this month!!! :-)

Carolyn, what are you doing up so late? :-)

12/21/2013 1:21:46 AM

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  Fence Shadows
11/16 Nature & Landscapes

12/21/2013 6:05:43 AM

  I was up most of the night..it thundered and then the dog wanted in and then the dog wanted out and then the dog wanted in etc etc etc. He's pretty scared of T-storms since a tree fell on his doghouse a few years back, so we indulge his weird behavior.

12/21/2013 6:48:44 AM

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  A Beautiful One
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11/16 Details and Macro

12/21/2013 9:28:52 AM

  Can someone tell me how to put the link to a photo like I see here. Pat has one type of link and then I see others that actually have the photo. I appreciate the assistance.

BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Everyone!

12/21/2013 3:45:48 PM

  Nov 17 - Tears of Joy - Flowers

UB.

12/23/2013 4:08:17 AM

  11/17..macro..The Shining
11/18..Animals..Let Me In! It's Raining!

12/23/2013 4:14:54 AM

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  Smithsonian
11/17 Travel & Place

12/23/2013 5:06:08 AM

  November 18 - Digital Darkroom
Beowulf

Sent you a message about links, Kalena.

12/23/2013 6:29:41 AM

  Happy holidays to you all.

November 18, theme

Evening on the Verandah

12/23/2013 7:23:33 AM

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  On The Edge
On The Edge
 
 
11/17 Details and Macro

12/23/2013 8:26:33 AM

  11/19..Landscape..Purely Beautiful

12/23/2013 12:29:39 PM

  11/20..Animals..Strike A Pose

12/23/2013 3:39:15 PM

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  Butterfly Garden
Butterfly Garden
 
 
11/19 Details and Macro

12/23/2013 4:05:00 PM

  11/18-Sierra Reflection
11/19-Why, You Can See All The Way To California!

12/23/2013 4:40:30 PM

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11/20 Details and Macro (why did I put this in that category???)

12/23/2013 4:46:08 PM

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  Well, that didn't work, huh?? :)

Reflecting on Saturn 5

11/20 Details & Macro

12/23/2013 4:48:12 PM

  Nov 13 through Nov 20th - Nada
but.........

Nature & Landscapes:
11/21 - Twilight in the Mountains

12/23/2013 5:58:55 PM

  11/21..Macro..Interaction

12/23/2013 6:14:23 PM

  Nov 18 - Ghost People - Catch-All (No EP)
Nov 19 - Fake Reality, Real Reflections - DD (No EP)
Nov 20 - Ice on Snow - D&M (No EP)
Nov 21 - SculpturePedia - D&M

UB.

12/23/2013 8:13:37 PM

  Nov 22 - Villa - Monthly Theme
Nov 23 - Last to fall - N&L

UB.

12/24/2013 4:25:43 AM

  11/22..Flowers..My Bud
11/23..Landscape..I Love Mornings

12/24/2013 4:53:24 AM

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  Repetition
11/21 Travel & Place

Fence Post
11/22 Catch-All

12/24/2013 5:47:47 AM

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11/2 Details and Macro

12/24/2013 7:23:48 AM

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On Top
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11/22 Details and Macro

12/24/2013 7:24:06 AM

  11/24 Nature and Landscapes

I didn't know about this one. I like it but it's different. I printed it for a holiday fair I participated in a couple of weeks ago and it was one of the very few I sold, so I guess its appeal is wider than I thought :)

Stenophobia

12/25/2013 11:01:37 AM

 
 
  Mums the Word
Mums the Word
 
  Picnic By The Water
Picnic By The Water
 
  Peach Trees and Storm Clouds
Peach Trees and Storm Clouds
 
 
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everybody!
11/18 Mums The Word-Flowers category
11/19 Picnic By The Water -MT category
11/21 Peach Trees and Storm Clouds- MT category

12/25/2013 1:41:46 PM

  11/18 - http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetailMember.asp?photoID=14184178&catID=&camID=&zulu=&contestCatID=

11/20 - http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetailMember.asp?photoID=14268953&catID=&camID=&zulu=&contestCatID=

12/25/2013 1:52:55 PM

  My above post isn't right, I guess. I don't know how to post the hot link. Oh, well.....

12/25/2013 1:54:36 PM

  11/24..SKIPPED
11/25..SKIPPED
11/26..Landscape..More Cove Colors

12/25/2013 2:32:03 PM

  Hope all of you had a lovely Christmas Day - or are still having it.

Catch-All:
11/22 – The Bench

Catch-All:
11/24 – Off Season

Animals:
11/25 – Coming Back

12/25/2013 4:33:39 PM

  Nov 24 - Tile Design - EoD
Nov 25 - WELCOME - MT

UB.

12/25/2013 7:49:18 PM

  11/27..Catch All..Flight

12/26/2013 2:52:56 AM

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  Going Up
11/30 Catch-All

12/26/2013 7:24:28 AM

  Seems to be done EPs for November. Gotten several new ones up to the end of the month.

12/26/2013 8:03:46 AM

  11/28..Macro..Drops On A Blade
11/29..Catchall..Buttonbush Bug
11/30..SKIPPED
That's 20 of 30 for November. Probably won't do so well when we get to the rounds that count. LOL

12/26/2013 8:18:10 AM

  A never before happening for me...zero, nada, no EP's for November! I guess my work really sucks!

12/26/2013 9:28:26 AM

  Oh, that's awful, Joannie! It definitely sucks, and I don't mean your work!

12/26/2013 9:57:47 AM

  I agree with Carolyn. And I certainly don't mean your work either.

12/26/2013 11:14:59 AM

  Thank you ladies for your support! I see so many excellent photos being passed up for EP's and that is not taking away from any the rest of you receive and deserve but what the hell! In the past three months I've received two gold 2nd place badges and then no EP's for a month...something is very strange! The very best for all of you EPers on the next round!

12/26/2013 11:21:42 AM

  11/29-Approaching Colors

12/26/2013 11:28:25 AM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Joanie,

I have seen your work and it is wonderful and whimsical.

Do not let this get you down. I would die for a second place award. Remember you are an award-winning photographer!!! :-)

Jane

12/26/2013 11:28:48 AM

Jane E. Miller

member since: 11/16/2010
  Joanie,

I have seen your work and it is wonderful and whimsical.

Do not let this get you down. I would die for a second place award. Remember you are an award-winning photographer!!! :-)

Jane

12/26/2013 11:28:53 AM

  Thank you so much Jane! :-)

12/26/2013 1:11:57 PM

  29 entries from a huge trip - 8 EPs. My biggest percentage in forever!

Animals:
11/25 – Coming Back

Animals:
11/30 – Downhill

12/26/2013 5:44:05 PM

 
 
  Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving!
 
 
No posts from 11/22-25
11/26 skipped
11/27 no post
11/28 Happy Thanksgiving MT category

12/26/2013 5:56:48 PM

  Joannie, the Peons don't know who they are messing with Your Highness...You know I hold all your beautiful images in the highest of regard
OXOXO Your Princess

12/26/2013 6:03:44 PM

  Your work is wonderful, Joanie. And that's quiet a fab record. Keep shooting and sharing.

UB.

12/26/2013 7:21:48 PM

  Nov 29 - FALLTASTIC - DD (No EP)
Nov 30 - Balancing Act - People

UB.

12/27/2013 1:36:24 AM

  Are the Finalists out? It gets so confusing with everything so far behind the schedule.

I just saw 2 Congrats on an image uploaded in October - one from Dec 15 and one from today (so it's probably an October Finalist?)

12/27/2013 10:09:20 AM

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  Kathy, BP hasn't posted Staff Favs yet, for November. So, they must have been from October.

12/27/2013 10:14:23 AM

  Finalists are not out yet, Kathy. I just got my congratulations from Merna on my October finalists today - holidays must have put her behind as they did everyone else :) I find that the first official posts of the Finalists and Winners comes on this page:
http://www.betterphoto.com/contest.asp

At the top of any page, go to Contest and then Contest again. Then pick Finalists or
Winners. Ironically, the other drop-down menu, Contest - Finalists or Contest - Winners is usually late to be updated.

12/27/2013 10:16:16 AM

  Thanks, Mitch - yours was the image that came up, so I just wondered. And.... I finally figured out how the find the current Finalists before the official Finalists link is updated.

Btw, there's a new glitch that I just sent a message about.... While scrolling through the October Finalist galleries, I noticed Ads (lots of ads). There is a notification that states: "Hide these ads. Become a member". I thought maybe I needed to login again, so checked it out. Nope, my login was fine. So, if anyone else is running into that situation, know that I sent feedback already.

12/27/2013 10:23:05 AM

  If you are a member, you can go to your member center, BP Gallery and then deactivate ads. Try that. Mine are not on and they are not showing when I browse October Finalists.

12/27/2013 10:32:46 AM

  I'll go check there - I haven't seen an ad there in years until this week (and I haven't changed any preferences.) It'll be fixed one way or another, no doubt. Thanks, Nikki.

12/27/2013 10:42:58 AM

  Thanks, Nikki - that was it. It never occurred to me to look there as I haven't changed any defaults in "forever"!

12/27/2013 10:49:47 AM

  Okay, I'm testing here to make sure I got the directions Nikki sent to me right! If I goof, just laugh!

November EP -

Red Chevy

12/27/2013 11:34:07 AM

  Hahahahaha

Just kidding, Kalena. Looks perfect! :)

12/27/2013 11:44:46 AM

  Thanks very much, Nikki, for sending the instructions to me. I've saved it on my computer in a word doc so I won;t loose it!

12/27/2013 3:11:23 PM

  If anyone else wants my document, just write and send me your non-BP email address so I can send it as an attachment. I have it saved, too, so each time I want to put in a link, I just open, put in the information for the new link, copy, paste and close without saving so I make sure I don't mess it up LOL

12/27/2013 3:45:26 PM

  I save a monthly document on my desktop (which moves into a folder as the Contest for each month is completed); the two current ones remain on top.

The url format stays at the top so it's always handy. The entries are continually added plus EP notes and the url info for each one to be posted on these threads.

It help keep track of what is entered when and under what category.

12/27/2013 4:04:17 PM

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  I did receive some EPs for November. I also need directions on how to include a link but for November my EPs were

de las golondrines - details/macro
echoes from ago - places
far past any living memory - places
a vintage - details/macro
life's bounty - details/macro

I hope everyone had a happy Christmas and will have a great new year! ~April

12/28/2013 8:21:26 AM

  I only put three photos in this month. I guess I did something the judges liked because all three went EP. I posted the Red Chevy already. Here are the other two.

Great Egret

Petals Edge

12/28/2013 12:15:09 PM

  Whoops! I messed it up that time! Try again!

Petals Edge

Great Egret

12/28/2013 12:18:17 PM

  Is there a new page for next month?

12/28/2013 12:23:36 PM

  This thread for November:

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=36045


Thread for December:

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=36054


Note that the only difference is the last two numbers in the url thread. So, if you're looking at November and want to move to December, just change the end number from 36045 to 36054 in the address box at the top of the screen. It saves a lot of time to do it that way.

12/28/2013 2:07:50 PM

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  36 .  Photos of the Day
Are the photos of the day selected from each days photos? I understand that editors picks are 3 to 4 weeks behind so are the current photos of the day pictures that we submitted several weeks ago? I am not sure how the entire process works regarding submitting photos for both the contest and POTD!

10/28/2013 6:19:47 PM

  The POTDs have mostly been picked from the EP pool. However, the latest re-organization of giving out badges at BP may have changed this too. If your photo gets an EP badge, it becomes in the running for a potential POTD badge.

At least this is what I know, but who knows, with the recent re-organization, this may also have been changed.


UB.

10/28/2013 11:25:13 PM

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  Paul, I don't think BP has changed their POTD process. They're still selected from EPs. Which means POTDs will come from Oct 1st thru 3rd, or from September (or earlier).

10/29/2013 3:42:31 AM

  Looks like today's POTD was uploaded on 10/3. Yesterday's was uploaded on 10/1.

10/30/2013 9:57:06 AM

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  37 .  September October 2013 contest
What happened to the Editor's picks in September and October. They have greatly decreased. The EP is such a great encouragement to photographers. It motivates us. It pushes us to tAke better photos. Is something happening at Bp? This is my positive pat on the back. Just curious.

Thanks,

Jane

10/24/2013 6:16:28 AM

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  Jane BP is now and has been for awhile 4-5 weeks behind on handing out EP"s.. I will say that they seem to be really behind for September. There is only 7 days left for the month and still BP is WAY behind. Maybe BP is changing the way they do things again.. Not sure??

10/24/2013 7:40:55 AM

Jane E. Miller

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  Brian,

Thanks a million! Very insightful!

Jane

10/24/2013 7:46:09 AM

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  Jane, to piggy back on Brian's comments. There's a September and October EP forum thread that can help you ascertain where BP is at, regarding EPs. Looks like they've given out EPs thru Sept 14th (and maybe the 15th), and thru Oct 2nd-3rd. There will probably be a flurry of EPs handed out in the next few days, for Sept 15th thru 30th.

10/24/2013 2:33:14 PM

  BP has not been very fast in giving EPs since spring... so, maybe something changed then and the current situation is their 'new normality'.

10/24/2013 11:07:24 PM

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  38 .  September 2013 Contest Countdown
Greetings fellow BP Members! The days may be getting shorter, but it doesn't make the Contest Results come any faster, alas!

The purpose of this monthly thread is to share your one favorite image from your entries last month -- your personal favorite, or your most hopeful, or your proudest photographic achievement that month, etc.; often, this isn't always the image that you *think* will win, nor the image the BP Judges may be drawn to! It isn't about predicting your Finalists/Winners (although that's a fun trick when it happens here!); it is about sharing your personal best/favorite image.
So give your favorite a showcase here, tell us why you picked it, and join us in the countdown... Best of luck to everyone in the September results!

++++++++++++++++++
Some helpful hints for attaching photos into a BP Forum Thread, if you're unfamiliar with the process:

1) Sign into BP completely (name + password.)

2) If you have NOT YET submitted your Contest Entry for today, you can take advantage of the "Photo ID" method (to pull an existing image from your Member Center into your Reply to this thread.) This avoids a duplicate image upload to your Member Center. Go get the Photo ID# from your Member Center first, then come to back this thread, click Respond, enter the text of your reply, then choose "1" from the images-to-attach drop-down (even though you won't actually be uploading a file.) Click Submit; at the next screen populate the "Photo ID" box shown over at the right. Skip the other text fields on that screen, and finalize the submit at the bottom.

3) If you HAVE ALREADY entered the Contest for today, you can't use the Photo ID method *today*. You can either wait until tomorrow to reply here (before making your new Contest entry) or, upload a new copy of your image (from your PC) into this thread. This produces a duplicate image in your Member Center; however, you don't have to make that duplicate visible in your Gallery.
If you're uploading a duplicate, I suggest titling it "For Forum" so it stands out in your Member Center, for easier housecleaning later on. This can also help direct BP viewers to go find the original image in your gallery, when they want to leave a comment. Likewise, if you want to add a comment to a photo seen here, first try to tell if it is a duplicate upload. As a courtesy, try to find the original image in the member's gallery and leave your comment there instead of on the duplicate.

10/15/2013 9:50:51 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Grumpy
Grumpy
One of the thousand or so hand-carved limestone grotesques adorning Washington National Cathedral.
 
 
My favorite is a carving from the Washington National Cathedral, high up amidst some of the worst earthquake damages. He seems quite upset by the earthquake ;)
This is a total rework from the original RAW - an improvement over the first version I originally posted some time ago.

10/15/2013 9:59:16 AM

 
 
 
Here's my favorite from September. Good luck everyone!

10/15/2013 10:53:05 AM

 
 
 
I have a number of things I like quite a bit from September, but I think this is my favorite. Haven't gotten there in EP giving yet, so who knows about that?

10/15/2013 10:55:26 AM

 
 
  Passion Flower
Passion Flower
 
 
Pic didn't upload so I'll try again. lol

10/15/2013 10:55:43 AM

 
 
 
I have a number of things I like quite a bit from September, but I think this is my favorite. Haven't gotten there in EP giving yet, so who knows about that?

10/15/2013 10:57:42 AM

  This really is making me buggy. There simply is no option when I'm doing this to put in the photo id number. So, once again, I uploaded it anew. I know that option has been there elsewhere and before, but it simply isn't now.

10/15/2013 11:01:30 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Hi Mitch -- I think you had already made your still-life/Gone Fishing contest entry for today, before you came here and tried to embed your Favorite. (Your contest entry shows about 9:45am PST upload, while your first attempt here in the Forum shows 10:55am PST.)

The Photo ID method to embed existing photos, only works (each day) *before* you make the daily contest entry on that day. As soon as you enter an image into the contest for a given day, the Photo ID method will not work in the Forum until the next morning...

10/15/2013 11:33:07 AM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
adoring autumn
adoring autumn

Thanks for looking!

~People~

 
 
Well here's mine... no surprise....lol

Good luck everyone!!!

10/15/2013 12:31:24 PM

  Chris, thanks. I guess that's it. I thought it applied only if you were trying to post your entry of that specific day. Didn't realize that was the case for any image once you'd done your BP daily entry.

10/15/2013 1:22:21 PM

 
 
  Rest In Peace, Sweet Sammy
Rest In Peace, Sweet Sammy
 
 
It's hard to tell what to hope for when hardly any have EPs (yet?)..so I'll go for our dearly departed Sammy this month.

10/15/2013 3:13:12 PM

 
 
 
Love seeing everyone's faves! Good luck everyone!

10/15/2013 9:40:14 PM

 
 
  Back to School in Bodie
Back to School in Bodie
 
 
This is my favorite shot from September. I went to the Friends of Bodie day picnic with my friend Linda Ruiz a couple of years ago. We were allowed to stay long after the gates to the park had been closed to the tourists, until the sun set and got to go inside several of the buildings which are usually off limits. There were wonderful clouds and the sky was so blue!

10/16/2013 8:50:34 AM

 
 
 
I don't want to jinx my "real" favorite, so I'll go with this one instead - for a flower picture, I quite like it :)

Good luck to everyone else - and glad to see this thread, Chris. With the slowed official activity at BP on all fronts - not just the announcing of Finalists and Winners - the social activity seems to have crawled to almost a complete stop, too. I find myself forgetting to even upload my daily entry sometimes which never used to happen. Anyway . . . here's to the Staff Favorites, Finalists and Winners in advance. I know the pool will be filled with excellent images as always.

10/16/2013 9:53:46 AM

 
 
 
Well for goodness sake - no image. And I did have an image id box and I did paste a number in there. I'll try one more time. Maybe I was too quick to get off the page after hitting submit.

10/16/2013 9:55:32 AM

  Still not working. I'll just put in a link - hopefully! - and get on about my business. It said I was successful both times, but no image!
Desert Grace

10/16/2013 9:59:54 AM

 
 
  Kathryn-Sept 17
Kathryn-Sept 17
Kathryn my five year old grandchild playing peek a boo with me and my camera.
 
 
Kathryn my five year old grandbaby (Sept 17 entry) playing peek a boo around a tree. I love her smile on this photo.

10/17/2013 6:21:26 AM

  here is my guess

10/17/2013 1:36:15 PM

 
 
  the only way to ride
the only way to ride
while in paris I noticed these bikes everywhere..
 
 
oops

10/17/2013 1:36:34 PM

 
 
  Lavish & Lankies
Lavish & Lankies
Two silhouetted guys against the lavish and bright lighted wall of a posh cinema theater lounge, Cine Gold, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.

Its an Iphone shot.

 
 
Late to the party here this month as I was away for work the first week and then got busy celebrating Eid on a very long weekend. But looking at the recent trend of late Finalist announcement, I am all right.

The favorite this month for me is actually taken by my Iphone and not with my dear D40.

Good luck to all in the September contest, which should be done and over with in the next 10 days or so, hopefully!!!

UB.

10/21/2013 12:07:08 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Never too late to the party these days, Usman!
Just back from about 5 days shooting in Chicago; hopefully we're only about a week away from Finalists... fingers crossed; best of luck for everyone!

10/22/2013 9:50:04 AM

 
 
  The Louvre
The Louvre
one of my fave places in paris to shoot. so many angles to choose from.
 
 
this is my other hope

10/22/2013 3:18:25 PM

 
 
  Our Side
Our Side
The western span of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, shot from the Embarcadero last month. This weekend it stands empty and idle, closed while construction crews work to connect the new eastern span on the other side of Treasure Island. The old eastern span was discovered to be flawed when part of it collapsed during the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake. Meanwhile, the new span, while designed to withstand a massive earthquake, exhibited problems during testing, when 32 bolts snapped. Officials insist it's still safer than the old eastern span. I think I'll stay on this side for a while!

f/16, 1.6, ISO50, 27mm

** Travel & Place **

 
 
Like Nikki, maybe not my *very* top favorite for September. :)

10/23/2013 8:22:39 AM

 
 
  A New Day
A New Day
Uploaded Sept 1
 
 
I like this one out of my September entries. I entered it on the first day so not sure if that hurts its chances or not.

10/24/2013 3:07:15 PM

  Well, good luck, everyone. It's so late in the month now, they will have no alternative but to rush through the rest of the month and miss half the good ones. It's getting quite frustrating.

10/24/2013 3:24:47 PM

  For me, the worst part about the huge gaps in activity at BP is not that they end up rushing (though that is annoying), but that it has curtailed almost completely our interest in the site. I used to check in multiple times a day for all kinds of reasons. Now I seldom check in more than once or twice and would not do that if it wasn't for a critique club here that I really enjoy (FFFP Club if anyone is interested).

10/24/2013 3:37:26 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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  I have that tingling in my bones that we're bound to see Finalists within a day... May that be a "treat" for everyone in their trick-or-treating this week...! Best of luck!

10/29/2013 11:38:09 AM

  Thanks, Chris.
Don't we need Staff Favorites first though?

10/29/2013 11:46:10 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Maybe -- who knows anymore ;) Maybe that's the tingling, then... ;)

10/29/2013 11:52:02 AM

  Tingle away, guys. It's gotta happen sooner or later..doesn't it?

10/29/2013 4:11:56 PM

  Looks like later!

UB.

10/30/2013 7:59:32 AM

  Hoping for Staff Favorites / Finalists any time now ... Good luck everyone!

10/30/2013 12:58:56 PM

  Maybe late tonight. Nothing going on yet.

10/30/2013 1:28:49 PM

  Just got notification on the SF's, got lucky and got four this time.

Good luck to you all on the remaining rounds!!

UB.

10/30/2013 10:44:08 PM

john dunne
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  Finalists are out

10/31/2013 1:22:37 AM

  Those aren't finalists, they are Staff Favorites..Finalists not released yet, the page still shows August.

10/31/2013 3:27:36 AM

  Those aren't finalists, they are Staff Favorites..Finalists not released yet, the page still shows August. I got 5 this time.

10/31/2013 3:28:05 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  The tingling continues... ;)
Hope your goodie bag is filled with Staff Favorites that turn Finalist and then Winner! Happy Halloween!

10/31/2013 3:35:37 AM

  Okay this SF must be something fairly new. I got one. However it's not listed among all the other SF's under people. I wonder why????

10/31/2013 3:50:59 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  Hi Tammy; yes, the Staff Fav's are new -- came out in July's contest. They are a new "layer" in the progression from Editor's Pick to Finalist to Winner.

From the pool of Editor's Picks, Staff Fav's are selected. Then from those Staff Fav's, Finalists are selected.

10/31/2013 3:55:34 AM

Ken Smith
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  Tammy, BP also has a labeling problem with on their finalist page. The August finalists are also labeled as September Finalists, which makes it very confusing. You probably went to the People category of the "September" finalists, but you were really looking at August finalists. Still confused? :-)

10/31/2013 4:03:29 AM

  Actually September was blank until the SF's came out. SF's are in categories just like finalist would be for the correct month, however if you look under people my photo is NOT there but it I got a notification that I had a SF photo and it shows in my gallery. Hmmmm Maybe there are not done loading all of them.

10/31/2013 4:25:10 AM

  I don't know what page you are seeing, Tammy. I'm looking at the SF page and it doesn't have categories. What's the URL # on the page you are looking at?

10/31/2013 4:28:59 AM

  http://www.betterphoto.com/contest/finalists.asp

copy and paste

I know it says (Photography Contest Finalists - September 2013) but if you click on photo categories and then click each photo individual it will show they are all just SF's for the correct month of September, however, under people my is NOT listed but I do have one.........LOL

10/31/2013 4:35:06 AM

Ken Smith
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  You are correct, Tammy. Interesting. At first, I thought maybe BP had posted the actual finalists without the formal notification, by accident. But I summed up the # of SFs that are at this link. Only 150. That number would be very low, if it were finalists. So, it's a mystery but I do think we'll see more than 150 finalists. I believe there were 750+ Staff Finalists (going off memory as I don't have the notification e-mail at work). And even if they take half of those for finalists, it would be far greater than 150.

10/31/2013 5:09:14 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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  (Correct, Ken -- 743 Staff Favs picked for Sept.)

10/31/2013 5:16:55 AM

  So this means that they have only listed 20.0% of staff picks thus far based on 748 picks....

10/31/2013 5:26:35 AM

Ken Smith
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  Tammy, they've only handed out Staff Favs for three months now, I think. And they've never displayed them like they did this month. It's quite possible you're really seeing the finalists...only 150, which would be a low percentage. Time will tell.

10/31/2013 5:31:50 AM

  They are clearly labeled SF, however, it could be the finalist to come. If they only pick 150 finalist may do more harm than good unless they are trying to thin a crowd. They are a business and feel it would eventually drive people away leaving only the extreme best of the best to compete which most certainly would leave out any chances of myself ever getting to the finalist round. I would be FLOORED if they only picked 150 but then again, they have surprised us many times with hard changes. As you said, time will tell.

10/31/2013 5:39:52 AM

  Nothing for me. Darn I had hoped my sunrise through the tree would have gotten a SF. Good luck to all still in. Wonderful images.

10/31/2013 5:43:49 AM

  By my count there are 111 winners selected each month, so I think that this must be a glitch as there are not enough in the pool to account for both winners and finalists.

This is just a guess, but I suspect we're looking at the finalist nominations of just one (or perhaps two) judging queues. The glitch is that it is publicly visible. Once all the judges are finished the badges in this pool should turn to finalists... assuming they system works the same way it did years ago.

10/31/2013 6:23:29 AM

  If this SF selection just started in July I really don't seen any of the August winners with such a badge. Surely the staff would have liked many of the winners. This is confusing for me.... hmmmm

10/31/2013 6:30:39 AM

  The badges get replaced at each phase. The staff picks are essentially Semi-finalist. If it moves on to become a finalist, it's no longer a semi finalist and the badge is replaced. If it doesn't move on, it keeps the staff pick badge, presumably forever.

10/31/2013 6:34:02 AM

Ken Smith
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  Tammy, if a SF gets a finalist, the finalist badge will replace the SF badge. That's why you don't see any SFs for the recent winners and finalists. Kinda like the gold medal replaces the silver finalist medal.

10/31/2013 6:36:31 AM

  I SEE just like what happens to the finalist badges if you place in the contest.

10/31/2013 6:51:32 AM

  But wait, why on earth would they add yet another step in the process with over 6000 photos a month to weed through? So does that mean only 1 of my 3 entries have the potential to move forward based on SF? Maybe I am just all mixed up and maybe that is why I enter very little these days...........LOL.

10/31/2013 6:56:46 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
  Nobody really knows the mysteries of how/why BP makes the various contest decisions they make ;) The addition of Staff Favs as yet another non-Finalist, non-Winner 'badge' was a bit of a head-scratcher for most of us...

10/31/2013 7:12:38 AM

Ken Smith
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  Tammy, I just sent you a "Contact" e-mail regarding the various rounds of the contest. I think it will answer your question. Just be sure it doesn't hit your "junk" folder. :-)

10/31/2013 7:25:15 AM

  So it appears that the Finalist page is currently listing the SFs ... I got an SF email notification for one of my photos, but it is not on the Finalist page with the other SFs. I think we are seeing the sausage being made, LOL!

10/31/2013 8:02:40 AM

john dunne
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  Sorry if I confused people. I got the email yesterday saying I got a staff selection and there are 743 of them. Interestingly when I checked this morning 7AM irish time, I went through the finalists link and saw September finalists. They were adding pictures live as I watched the number in my Travel category increased as I was viewing them.

Sorry if I called finalists too soon.

10/31/2013 8:19:02 AM

  Has anybody actually got a finalist notice in their email? Weird.

10/31/2013 9:30:21 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
  I suspect it is a glitch as mentioned above -- an accidental "reveal" for some (hopefully not all) of the Finalists, *before* the announcement is actually sent out...?

10/31/2013 9:43:40 AM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest Finalist
 
Young Dancer
Young Dancer
 
 
Well here is my SF

10/31/2013 10:13:19 AM

  Finalists are out! Congrats to all!

I am fortunate to have one ... Details & Macro Roller Derby

10/31/2013 1:18:39 PM

  Two for me. A landscape and a catch all.

10/31/2013 1:20:27 PM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
  Congratulations to the 508 Finalists! Best of luck in the winning round. Have a safe and happy Halloween tonight!

10/31/2013 1:25:21 PM

  none for me :-(

10/31/2013 1:38:51 PM

  Woke up to see 3 out of my 4 SF turned to Finalists. Very excited, as I had very little hopes of any of the four advancing further.

Good luck in the Final round!!

UB.

10/31/2013 8:30:42 PM

  BIG CONGRATZ to all the wonderful Winners.

I was pleasantly surprised to find one of mine among them!!!

UB.

11/1/2013 3:02:42 AM

Christopher J. Budny
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member since: 10/3/2005
  Congratulations to the winners! You simply never know what will come out in the contest rounds... My favorite in this thread didn't even land a Staff Fav pick, but I managed a 2nd Place on something else ;) I kind of enjoy that its never predictable... Best of luck to everyone in the October results now... seeya in a few weeks!

11/1/2013 5:39:35 AM

  I agree with Chris. Most will not agree but I like the change in EPs and the new SF. Makes it more interesting.

11/1/2013 7:42:40 AM

  Congratulations to all the fabulous winners!

11/1/2013 7:47:03 AM

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Photography Question 
Jill Odice
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  39 .  October EFPs
 
  Empty Tables
Empty Tables
T and P category
© Jill Odice
Canon EOS 60D Digi...
 
Here it is, October already! Looks like they are handing out EFPs already for the new month, still waiting to see what is happening with September!
My first EFP for the month is "Empty Tables" in the T & P category

10/4/2013 7:05:36 AM

  10/1..CatchAll..Custom '50 Ford
10/2..Landscape..Afternoon Delights

10/4/2013 12:05:11 PM

Lola M.
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  A Spider and It's Web
A Spider and It's Web
 
 
10/1 Details and Macro

10/2 Animals
Flying In

10/4/2013 5:56:04 PM

  TAG

10/4/2013 7:08:12 PM

  Beware.... Tammy Newcomb's email addresses were also hijacked.

10/7/2013 5:14:13 AM

  I am already way ahead of you. Naturally you all are going to get at least one e-mail before I was able to catch the incident. I immediately changed my face book and e-mail passwords after noticing failure notices in my e-mail inbox, where e-mails were sent out under my name, under my e-mail address. I rarely or should I say almost NEVER send people e-mails so now and in the future DO NOT OPEN AN E-MAIL COMING FROM ME unless you check with me first.

10/7/2013 9:45:26 AM

  I think somebody should do a separate thread for hacked emails etc. Please :-)

10/7/2013 12:56:15 PM

  TAG!

10/7/2013 1:01:50 PM

  TAG

10/7/2013 2:01:55 PM

  For the first time in two months, I got my first EP on Oct. 2nd. I'm getting used to not getting an EP.

10/7/2013 8:45:53 PM

  Just checking in. Nothing going on, there, of course. Got one for the 1st awhile back. If they've finished the 2nd, that's a skip.

10/8/2013 12:05:14 PM

  tag

10/8/2013 6:03:16 PM

  8 up for October, 0 EP's.

10/10/2013 6:31:30 PM

 
 
  First Colors
First Colors
Category: Nature and Landscapes
F22-180-EV-0.5, ISO 1000. Circ. Pol. Filters and Masks used in PP.
 
 
They skipped most of September for me, but here's my 1st October:

First Colors

10/16/2013 12:35:57 PM

  No they didn't, Nancy..they haven't done half of September yet.

10/16/2013 1:04:28 PM

  Noticed this one today ...

10/2 Flowers Fiesta

10/16/2013 1:34:30 PM

 
 
 
10/03 Tiny Purple Flowers Flowers category

10/17/2013 11:49:42 PM

  Since, no EPs so far for me in October .......... so

TAG Heuer - Swiss Luxury watches for Men & Women, LOL!!!

UB.

10/20/2013 11:53:57 PM

  10/03 after skips on the 1st and 2nd.

N&L
Approaching Great Sand Dunes #2

10/31/2013 8:46:23 AM

  I guess that's a skip for me on the 3rd.
You don't see many bugs eating other bugs, I thought it was pretty cool! LOL

10/31/2013 9:27:50 AM

  Tag

11/1/2013 6:59:03 AM

  SEPTEMBER FINALIST ARE IN!

CONGRATS TO THE WINNERS AND FINALIST!

jo ann c.

11/1/2013 8:01:19 AM

  Congrats to all the finalists and winners! Job well done :-)

11/1/2013 12:25:13 PM

  10/3..SKIPPED
10/4..SKIPPED
10/5..Landscape..Bright Shiny Sunset

11/2/2013 2:47:46 PM

  10/3-Reflections Of Fall

Nothing after that so far.

11/2/2013 3:35:19 PM

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10/5 MT

11/2/2013 5:39:40 PM

 
 
  Lighthouse and Clouds
Lighthouse and Clouds
 
 
10/04 Lighthouse & Clouds Monthly theme

11/3/2013 12:37:55 AM

  Oct 6

Grandbaby Kailyn.

11/3/2013 12:12:48 PM

Lola M.
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  Paper Kite Butterfly
Paper Kite Butterfly
 
 
10/7 Details and Macro

11/3/2013 5:26:43 PM

 
 
  L.A Cityscape
L.A Cityscape
 
 
10/07 L.A. Cityscape E of D category

11/4/2013 9:07:58 AM

  10/6..Macro..Water Drop
10/7..Catch All..Chevy Pickup Arrival

11/5/2013 2:40:41 AM

  10/8..SKIPPED
10/9.. It's A Small, Small World

11/5/2013 11:51:37 AM

  I got 2 out of 4 EFP's before I posted another today...

jo ann c.

11/5/2013 11:54:17 AM

 
 
  LA City Scape #2
LA City Scape #2
 
 
10/08 skipped
10/09 LA Cityscape #2 E of D category

11/5/2013 10:25:29 PM

  A Rose
10/6/2013
Flowers

11/6/2013 12:33:30 AM

  10/7-Going Through The Change

11/6/2013 4:10:52 PM

  I just realized that I didn't enter the first 6 days of October. Good to see EPs for the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th of October.

UB.

11/7/2013 2:00:06 AM

 
 
BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest SECOND PLACE Winner
 
Just  My Type
Just My Type

Second Place - Details & Macro - October 2013

Getting really close with my new extension tubes ...
These are keys from my vintage 1970s Smith Corona typewriter.
Minor adjustments in CS5.
 
 
10/10 Details & Macro

11/10/2013 5:52:26 PM

  10/10..Skipped
10/11..Skipped
10/12..N@L..Drop On Grass With Tiny Fly

11/11/2013 5:47:04 PM

 
 
  Walking and Talking
Walking and Talking
 
 
10/10 skipped
10/11 Walking and Talking. MT category

11/11/2013 8:50:36 PM

  Sep 11 - Skipped
Sep 12 - EP

UB.

11/12/2013 11:15:03 PM

  Should've been October instead of September. COFFEE time for me!!!

UB.

11/12/2013 11:16:28 PM

 
 
  Spicebush Swallowtail
Spicebush Swallowtail
F5.3, 1/1000, 18-55mm nikkor vr @46mm, iso400, natural light.

Animals: October 12, 2013

 
 
My first entry for October was the 11th so I'm jumping in :)

10/11 Skipped
10/12 Animals - Spicebush Swallowtail

11/13/2013 8:48:58 AM

  Nothing since 10/7 for me. They skipped the rest of October, then I picked up 3 the first days of November. Looks like the same ol' Game, Folks!

11/13/2013 2:06:23 PM

  Same game, same players! :-)
I have one EP for Oct!

11/13/2013 4:52:12 PM

  I have 2 EP's from the first week in Oct

jo ann c.

11/13/2013 6:02:12 PM

  TAG. Same here - 2 EPs from 10/4 & 10/6 and then 1 at the beginning of Nov.

11/13/2013 8:40:59 PM

  10/13..EOD..A New Shot Of An Old Favorite
10/14..Landscape..Eerie

11/17/2013 3:13:34 AM

  Tag. My gallery hasn't had any EPs for a while for October and only and only one for the beginning of November way back at the start of the month.

I thought I'd check in to find out what is happening rather than hunting around.

Hope everyone is doing well...

11/17/2013 5:31:32 AM

  Oct 13 - Amazing Louvre - EP
Oct 14 - Sky Homes - EP

UB.

11/17/2013 5:34:45 AM

  Picked up four new EPs for October since last night. 12, 13, 14 and 15.

11/17/2013 5:47:25 AM

  Picked up Oct 13 and 14 overnight sometime and just picked up 15 in the last 15 minutes or so. That puts me at 7/15 for October, not a bad ratio considering :)

Window to the Sun
Harvest Harmony
Bountiful Harvest

11/17/2013 5:48:39 AM

  Oct 15 - Tulip Morning - EP.

UB.

11/17/2013 5:52:45 AM

  Just picked up one for the 16th. 13 out of 16 for me now.

11/17/2013 5:58:25 AM

  10/15..Flowers.. Raggedy Sunflower
10/16..Macro..Chain Of Rain
10/17..MT..Cloud 20120430-14
That's 12 of 17.

11/17/2013 6:22:19 AM

  10/18..Macro..Starry Water Drops

11/17/2013 8:49:58 AM

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  Skipped several, but I have one on the 20th.

End of the Season
Entered: 10/20/2013
Category: Travel and Place

11/17/2013 9:47:10 AM

  Just got an EP for Oct 20 and 21!

11/17/2013 10:40:58 AM

  10/19.. SKIPPED
10/20.. MT..Keep Your Eyes On The Skies
10/21.. Macro..A Pretty Reflection In A Dewdrop
10/22..MT..The Most Beautiful Morning
Wow, they are really whipping through them today!

11/17/2013 10:41:36 AM

  The Last of Summer...
10/21
Flowers

11/17/2013 11:18:11 AM

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  10/8 & 10/9 Skipped
10/10 Details and Macro
Perfect Pose
10/11 Monthly Theme
Clouds Reflected
10/12 & 10/13 Skipped
10/14 Flowers
Coneflower
10/15 Skipped
10/16 Nature and Landscape
Sunset
10/17 Skipped
10/18 Digital Darkroom
In The Park
10/19 Catch All
Weathered
10/20 Details and Macro
Yellow Sulphur

11/17/2013 1:11:30 PM

  10/12-So many to choose
10/13-Fall colors the farm
10/18-UP
10/20-MMMMMM!

11/17/2013 6:51:37 PM

 
 
  Parker's Maple Barn
Parker's Maple Barn
 
  Crazy Pumpkins
Crazy Pumpkins
 
  Desert Motel
Desert Motel
 
  The Birds
The Birds
 
  Red Barn and Clouds
Red Barn and Clouds
 
 
Wow, somebody is finally picking up the slack :-)
10/12 Skipped
10/13 Parker's Maple Barn - T & P
10/14 shipped
10/15 Crazy Pumpkins - Catch all
10/16 Desert Motel - MT
10/17 The Birds- DD
10/18 Red Barn and Clouds - MT
10/19 and 10/20 skipped
10/21 Peaches, Joshua Trees and Clouds- MT

11/17/2013 7:54:11 PM

 
 
  Peaches, Joshus Trees and Clouds
Peaches, Joshus Trees and Clouds
 
 
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11/17/2013 7:59:39 PM

  Oct 16 - Did not enter
Oct 17 - Did not enter
Oct 18 - Seasons under the Sun - N&L
Oct 19 - EP-less
Oct 20 - EP-less
Oct 21 - Children of God - People

UB.

11/17/2013 9:38:14 PM

  10/23..MT..Love Those Rays

11/20/2013 3:46:19 PM

 
 
  Geraniums...
Geraniums...
 
 
10/22 Geraniums catch all category

11/21/2013 8:57:29 AM

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10/23 Animals

11/21/2013 2:11:36 PM

  10/23
The Lake
digital darkroom

11/21/2013 3:25:54 PM

  Oct 22 - METRO - EoD
Oct 23 - Tangerine Thames - MT

UB.

11/21/2013 10:57:47 PM

 
 
  Blues Alley and Barbed Wire
Blues Alley and Barbed Wire
 
 
10/23 Blues Alley and Barbed Wire E of D

11/22/2013 8:38:40 AM

 
 
  Cabo Cantina Halloween
Cabo Cantina Halloween
 
 
10/24 Cabo Cantina Halloween T & P category

11/23/2013 6:12:28 AM

  Received an EP for the 25th. Must be judging again.

11/23/2013 6:29:14 AM

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BetterPhoto.com Photo Contest SECOND PLACE Winner
 
Hanging On
Hanging On
 
 
10/24 Details and Macro

11/23/2013 7:55:17 AM

  10/24..SKIPPED
10/25..SKIPPED
10/26..Landscape..Lights For Your Nights

11/23/2013 9:19:44 AM

  Oct 24 - Quintessentially London - CA
Oct 25 - EP-less (was my fave of the month)
Oct 26 - BLINK, and you loose! - People

11/23/2013 9:23:59 AM

  10/26 - Time to Change Course

11/23/2013 9:40:30 AM

  Hey Kathy, I think I should! I'm not getting any lately! EP's I'm talking about! lol

jo ann c.

11/23/2013 10:48:47 AM

  lollllllllll Well, there definitely was a whole lot of Bull in this course-changing.

Btw, I'm now up to 50%. Nothing on my first entry in October and an EFP on my second. There are two more chances.

I really thought "Roadside Assistance" would rate one. Oh, well.

11/23/2013 11:02:48 AM

  lol lol lol lol Jo Ann!

11/23/2013 11:10:52 AM

  Skyline
10/27/2013
Digital darkroom

11/23/2013 11:19:07 AM

  10/27..Macro..Wings
10/28..EOD.. Da Bomb

11/23/2013 12:12:50 PM

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  Coneflower
Coneflower
 
 
10/27 Flowers

11/23/2013 3:59:18 PM

  Ouch - my last one was for the 24th . . .

11/23/2013 8:38:22 PM

  Oct 27 - Where Clouds Play - MT

11/24/2013 12:19:04 AM

 
 
  Color Lineup
Color Lineup
F22.0-60-EV-0.5-ISO 800. Early morning light, Circ Pol, steadied on low bridge. PP includes filters and masks.
 
 
Color Line-up

11/24/2013 5:46:57 AM

  Just realized I do have one on the 25th - on an image I'd taken off display because I don't think it's that great LOL But none after that and I think my images from the 26th and 28th are much better. I forgot to enter on the 27th.

11/24/2013 2:54:33 PM

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  A Monarch
A Monarch
 
 
10/29 Details and Macro

10/30 Catch All
Fall Splendor

10/31 Nature and Landscapes
Beautiful Autumn Day

11/25/2013 8:53:01 AM

  10/29..MT..Mammatus Clouds Over Eufaula
10/30..Macro..Beauty In Miniature
10/31..MT..Cloud 20130809-26
Looks like they are done with October,(or at least close to it)
Good luck everybody.

11/25/2013 9:03:51 AM

  Skipped a lot of mine but at least they got my favorites :) Final tally is 14 out of 28 entries.
Good luck to all. Looks as if they may be pushing for a pre-Thanksgiving release, at least of Staff Favorites and Finalists, so they can sit back and enjoy the holiday with family, too.

11/25/2013 9:24:54 AM

  Well, poop! 4 out of 6 for me....

11/25/2013 9:30:56 AM

  3 out of 4 - my best in months.

Elements of Design:
10/30 – Framed

Catch-All:
10/31 – Cabins for Rent

11/25/2013 9:44:39 AM

  23 of 31 for me..by FAR the best in a while. Of course, they could be just EPs and nothing will translate to the good stuff. Just have to wait and see.
Good luck, all!

11/25/2013 9:53:50 AM

Brian M. Jones
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  31 Images Entered, 31 EP's Received. Perfect month

11/25/2013 9:55:50 AM

  Looks like 10 for me, about 1/2 of what I entered.

11/25/2013 10:03:03 AM

  Hi all, I haven't visited the forum much this month. Hope you are all doing well and looking forward to Thanksgiving (U.S.).

Here are my EPs for the month that I haven't posted here in the forum yet. I ended up with 12 of 17.

Good luck to all!

10/12 Details & Macro Coinage

10/14 Flowers Fall Mum

10/15 Details & Macro Her Secrets

10/16 Digital Darkroom Pretty Petals

10/18 Details & Macro Classics

10/19 Details & Macro Late Afternoon Leaves

10/26 Digital Darkroom Lily

10/28 Details & Macro The Isthmus

10/29 Monthly Theme Fantasy Planet

10/31 Monthly Theme From the Clouds

11/25/2013 10:10:39 AM

  Whoa! Just picked up 2 more:

10/28-Fog Layered Foothills And Snow Covered Peaks;

10/30-A Window Through The Fog;

So, a little more than half-well doggone!

11/25/2013 10:13:53 AM

  Yee Haw, Brian.... :-)

11/25/2013 11:40:07 AM

  Brian, where are all of your EP images for Oct? Can't find them!

11/25/2013 12:58:25 PM

  I couldn't find Brian's either. I haven't noticed him posting any lately.

11/25/2013 1:14:43 PM

Brian M. Jones
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  For all of you who want to know, I DO NOT post any of my EP's on my Gallery. Trust me I entered 31 images for October and got 31 EP's. As far as November, I have not entered none. I was taking time off due to a personal tragedy.. Thank you

11/25/2013 1:54:19 PM

  So sorry to hear that Brian! You are in my prayers!

It's not that I don't trust you, I just wanted to see your work, I've always enjoyed it! :-)

11/25/2013 2:46:50 PM

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  October was definitely not one of my better months. :)

11/25/2013 3:36:21 PM

  Oct 28 - RED - T&P
Oct 29 - At Day's End - MT
Oct 30 - Touch Me Not - CA
Oct 31 - Lights in Yarra - T&P

That makes it 19 out of 23 images entered in October for me. Good luck to all in the next rounds.

UB.

11/25/2013 5:22:19 PM

  Well, if the EP's are over for October it looks like I ended up with three EP's out of four entries. Good luck to everyone in the next round!

11/25/2013 5:48:09 PM

 
 
  Chillin'
Chillin'
 
  Nuts & Bolts
Nuts & Bolts
 
  Colored Glass
Colored Glass
 
  Stepping Lightly
Stepping Lightly
 
 
4 out of 9 submitted...losing my touch I guess but grateful for these! :) Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Chillin'
Colored Glass
Nuts & Bolts
Stepping Lightly

11/25/2013 6:10:37 PM

 
 
  Windows & Clouds
Windows & Clouds
 
  Clouds and Ghosts
Clouds and Ghosts
 
  Falling Down
Falling Down
 
  Ghost Town Sunset
Ghost Town Sunset
 
 
10/25 skipped
10/26 skipped
10/27 Windows and Clouds MT
10/28 Clouds and Ghosts MT
10/29 Falling Down MT
10/30 shipped
10/31 Ghost Town Sunset MT

11/25/2013 6:57:54 PM

  Do we have a page for November yet?

11/26/2013 5:06:07 AM

  Yes. http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=36045

Btw, thanks to Jill, who graciously took over from Cheryl - our favorite thread continues uninterrupted.

11/26/2013 6:23:31 AM

  October was a good month for me. I believe there were 17 EP's out of 21 entered. I took some trips and had some new material so I am pleased. Brian, my prayers are with you. Good Luck, everyone.

11/26/2013 2:30:12 PM

  Good luck everyone! Thank you, Jill, for being such a graceful Hostess!

11/27/2013 5:18:14 AM

  Good luck to all in the contest and Happy Thanksgiving to our US members! Of course, any day is a good day to count your blessings, no matter where you are.

As a side note, I wasn't aware that we could resubmit entries via a new upload? I've seen quite a few and they are getting EPs....

11/27/2013 9:34:13 AM

  Thanks You all...It was nothing :-) Can't wait to see who gets Staff Favs and Finalists!Hope you all have a magnificent Thanksgiving!

11/28/2013 1:38:38 PM

  Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

Enjoy the holiday with thoughts of family and country, the turkey dinner, the family gathered together. There's a wonderful change of seasons as we pass from Autumn to Winter at this moment of your celebration.

A reminder that BP in the last 2 months has given out EPs at the start of the month right away...like a marker…and then…waiting.


11/28/2013 1:57:17 PM

 
 
  Windows & Clouds
Windows & Clouds
 
  LA Cityscape
LA Cityscape
 
  Peaches, Joshua Trees and Clouds
Peaches, Joshua Trees and Clouds
 
 
I got 4 staff picks :-)
Window and Clouds MT category
peaches, Joshua Trees and Clouds MT category
LA Cityscape E of D category
Walking and Talking T & P category

11/29/2013 11:49:01 AM

  Staff Favorites are out. Six for me.

11/29/2013 12:14:27 PM

  Five for me.

11/29/2013 12:17:40 PM

  Three for me.
Best of luck to all in the next round!

11/29/2013 12:37:59 PM

  I got 2 staff favorites...

jo ann c.

11/29/2013 12:38:50 PM

  Two for me and happy to get them. Way to go Carolyn! Five is awesome.

11/29/2013 12:53:23 PM

  That's two months in a row that I have not gotten anything, so I'm feeling better about not renewing my Deluxe Gallery in 2014.

11/29/2013 1:17:19 PM

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  I got 8 Staff Favorites. October was kind to me. Made me feel good considering the personal tragedy I endured recently. Good Luck to everyone in the next round.

11/29/2013 1:18:05 PM

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  Three Staff Favorites for me! I also wish everyone good luck in the next round.

11/29/2013 1:54:23 PM

  None for me either (not that I really expected anything). Big congrats to all of you who did!

11/29/2013 2:57:12 PM

  I got one finalist, Bubble Up!
Nice surprise! :-)

jo ann c.

11/30/2013 11:17:33 AM

  Every month, it's the same darned thing... if you go to Contests > Finalists, you only find the previous month's list in the winner's area. If you go to the home page for BP and click on the Contest Heading, it will drop down for a "Photography Contest" info box. To the right is a past winner picture with "Recent Winners and Finalists" + "
All Previous Winners and Previous Finalists" Clicking on THAT recent finalists will get you the one you want.

Why would they want Finalist links to result in two different months???!!!!

Here is the list of October 2013 Finalists....
http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGall2.asp?catID=59628

11/30/2013 11:49:26 AM

  Sort of an impression as well as a question... Has anyone else noticed that Black & White (or monochromatic) images are a larger percentage of EPs, Finalists, and Winners, lately? It's sort of retro (and in many cases, very cool.)

11/30/2013 11:56:15 AM

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  40 .  POTD
Has anyone noticed that the last 6 POTD winners are previous 2nd Place GOLD winners from July??

I normally see only EP's associated with POTD.. Now it seems like they are giving out POTD to images from 2 months ago and that have won Gold. If you look at previous POTD winners you will see that images that win are selected from EP's. Now it looks like that has changed as well..

9/28/2013 4:45:06 AM

  Brian, I have five POTDs, and I don't remember any of them being from the current month's entries.

But what seems odd to me is that two of them never even made Finalist! And, since the re-entry rules have changed, they never will.

Maybe they've put a new procedure in place to make POTD choices from sure things?

9/28/2013 9:42:45 AM

  What a skill of observation to notice the shift. Is this temporary or a trend?

I suggest there's a trend. It is possible that BP needs to change things. We don't know - this is an internet site with small stakeholder investment (our fees for membership). BP has to manage its revenue. Cutting costs on POTD might be one of these. Sounds like a simple solution to extra work effort.

Members of internet sites (the Old Guard) generally consider the sites should be loyal to them. It is possible that a site needs to do what needs to be done to stay in business. Because they are privately owned the members are not aware of any management concerns, decisions and worries. Private companies generally don't make these known and that's part of why they like to be private.

Giving a POTD to a past winner would be a quick hit with low work effort for BP. I don't have special insight into BP so this seems like an obvious answer. The change in awarding EPs and POTD are likely examples of BP needing to change its business to stay in business in a profitable way.

Members here really like the BP community. It is a special place. So what if the real question might be: What do members need to do to help BP stay in business.

So I am interested in what members might want to do to support BP and how that might be made clear to BP.

M.

9/28/2013 2:43:30 PM

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  I dunno; my recent POTD last week was a first-time entry into September's contest; the month isn't even done for collecting entries yet. My advice would be simply to stop worrying about patterns at BP ;)

9/29/2013 11:53:37 AM

Brian M. Jones
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  I am not worrying at all, I along with many people are wondering why all of the sudden the last 7 POTD images are taken from Gold winning images from 2 months ago, when it use to be taken from EP's that was from the month previous..

9/29/2013 2:21:23 PM

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