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Via crucis
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Protacio Serna |
A color image I made not long ago. Here's a detail from the men in the Mount Calvary. Have a great weekend.
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Piotr M. Organa |
This is a great shot, Protacio! So real and symbolic at once. Colour is beautiful, too. Congratulations!
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Leanne M.E. Boyd |
Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Denys |
Superbe Protacio! J'adore ces couleurs chaudes et cette composition, Bravo!
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Oscar J. Martinez |
Protacio, con esa foto ya eres desde hoy el ganador de noviembre. Felicidades. En què ciudad vives? Eres un excelente fotògrafo.
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Protacio Serna |
This picture I took it half a block from home. I drive every day that street, and just recently I saw the shadows projected in that high wall. Most of the time people think about the "via crucis" of the man who carries his merchandise trough a muddy street. It takes time but they eventually find the arms of the crucified and then it is a different story. Piotr, wow....thanks for your message. Leanne...I love single word comments. They say a lot. Thanks. Denys...I got you on Superbe, J'adore, couleurs, composition, but that Bravo was great. Thanks Hola Oscar. Soy del norte, vivo en Reynosa, Tamaulipas y hago la fotografia como un pasatiempo solamente. Gracias por tu comentario, viniendo de un profesional es todo un logro. Gracias a todos.
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BetterPhoto Member |
Protacio, like all of your photos, this image has unreal beauty. To me is a little dark on the bottom, but it doesn't take anything away from the photo. V/R
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Protacio Serna |
Thank you Rhina. I'm glad you liked it. Regards
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Bob Fehringer |
Nice image Portacio. Not much to critique here. Have you thought about using a star filter? Kidding there. Keep up the good work. BF
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Protacio Serna |
:) Thanks Bob.
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Brian Smith |
I like the first shot, with the guy on the bike. If it were my shot I would take out the (in photoshop) the shadows of the light poles. It distracts me from that weird guy on a bike with tons of brooms. I would also go into the photo and bring out the green in him and the brooms. You will then have a stunning image. P.S. Make sure that curb is parallel with the bottom of the picture. Nothing turns me off to a picture than lines that don't line up.
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Bob Fehringer |
Protacio, Hold me back. BF
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Bob Fehringer |
The way the image is now, it has credibilty (SP?), the suggested version would be fantasy, and just another photo illustration. That was not too bad. BF
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Protacio Serna |
Hey Bob…I’m impressed…that is self control man! OK, Brian. Thanks for your suggestions. Now let me tell you my story about this picture. There is a reason why the shadows of the light poles are there. Let me rephrase that: those shadows are the reason why I took the picture in the first place. Not the weird guy neither the brooms. He and his cargo just happen to be a decoy, you know. Something that calls the attention in the image makes people think it is his Calvary what I am showing, but it is not. Those shadows projected on the wall, resemble the crosses that over 2000 years ago…well…we all know that part of history…don’t we? About colours I don’t feel it is a problem. It is not a portrait where skin colour is important; it was taken around sunset so I am allowed to have those warm colours in the picture. About the curb not parallel with the frame that is caused by perspective. Look at the upper near horizontal line in the wall. Now look at the middle line where orange meets the light upper colour. Now look at the curb. See the difference? The upper line goes about half a degree up, the middle is horizontal and the curb goes about a fraction of grade down. It is perspective. Jus that. Need all the lines straight? Why? If you cannot see the reason for this picture, why do you need the lines straight? Is that the most important part of the image? If anything needs to be removed is the metallic object in the wall, but is that really distracting? I mean…more distracting than the shadows of the lamp poles? Thanks again.
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Piotr M. Organa |
Guys, there is more to photography than licking pictures clean in photoshop!
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Brian Smith |
:first off, for all those that think photoshop is the sin of photography need to take a step back and see that photoshop is basiclly a digital darkroom. I do the same techniques I did in post production in the darkroom, that I do on my photos in photoshop. It doesn't take any credit away from the photo what so ever. It has just cut down the time and man power. These techinques have been used for 30 or 40 years to clarify your message or help push your feeling to your viewers. The picture: As far as not understanding the "light poles" standing for the cross of christ. Wow thats a far out reach! And what does a broom sales man have to do with Christ? Maybe you could make that connection if you had a nun or a priest in his place. If you want to make those light poles mean something, make them look more like crosses. (but without the religous element, it would still be out of place.) Right now you have an ok image with great horizontal lines, with a subject of great interest. The light poles (thats what they are light poles) are a vertical distraction from your subject. I keep looking at them and light poles are not that interesting. I do love the colors the sunset gives, but I would still punch up the greens. As far as your lines not being straight. I bet they would have been if you had shot this with a larger format or had a lense with prospect control. That is not a natural. A building is not smaller at the top, it only photographs that way. (Don't get trapped in the idea that you can change or manipulate your photographs to help express your artistic ideas. Its done everyday with artists and photojournalist. (I was a photojournalist for a newspaper for 3 years. I would use other techinques to manipulate my photographs, most of it was before the actual shot was taken. Waiting for the right moment or the right light before I took a shot, so I would catch the subject in the postion or mood that I wanted them to be in. Or as simple as the lighting. I would place my subject in the lighting that would tell the story (mine or his). Light could turn the feeling of the shot from one feeling to another.) Now I do commerical photography and I am paid big bucks to create images that arn't really found in nature but we create images that remind people of beautfil places or things. We send the message that my clients want to say. But hey its your photo, and my opinion.
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Piotr M. Organa |
Protacio is talking human condition here, not lines. Respond to this, buddy.
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Brian Smith |
Respond to what? (explain what is human condtition?) Here I will for you. Human condition is the positive and negative aspects of existence as a human being, esp. the inevitable events such as birth, childhood, adolescence, love, sex, reproduction, aging, and death
Piotro thanks for the help! tots!
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Piotr M. Organa |
There is always a shadow of cross somewhwere around us. Respond to that. :)
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Protacio Serna |
Let’s keep that Photoshop out of the equation if you don’t mind. First because is an endless debate and second because every now and then I like to keep my pictures the way I see them, specially when it comes to street photography. Commercial?…that is another story. In those ground I do it and sometimes I encourage the client to accept some changes. I couldn’t find a nun or a priest to place near the light poles, and when it comes to street scenes, I don’t do that. I rather take an OK picture then. Not all the people who witnessed the crucifixion where nuns or priest. Many of them turned their back to that scene, and I hate to think about it but perhaps some where indifferent to the suffering of Jesus. We don’t know for sure if a broom seller was around that place. (OK, ignore that…I was just wondering) Those shadows looked like crosses to me. That’s why I took the picture. But I know they are not. There is no need to bet on the large format, or lens with perspective control. We know what they are and what they do. But this is not a product shot, or an architectural shot, where perspective control is important. But fortunately there is a way to fix that in Photoshop. That one is easy. Here’s an interesting part in your message: “Waiting for the right moment or the right light before I took a shot, so I would catch the subject in the position or mood that I wanted them to be in.” I did that Brian. I waited for the light, I waited for the guy to be in that position (anyone…in this case he showed up with brooms), going away from the light pole’s shadows. That was the scene I was expecting for. I wasn’t lucky enough to have some nuns around. That’s what I had, that is what I shoot. I waited a little more but the sun was moving fast. Anyhow. Here’s the thing. The picture as you see it is what I was hoping for. I might have picked a wrong speech, I might have failed sending the message, but I had to try it. I won’t fix what I couldn’t get from the beginning. Unfortunately there is no client involved in this shot. No bucks where involved either. Just my intention to capture an idea. I have learned a lot from your comment Brian. I appreciate your lines and the time. That is what I expect from this place: opinions…and I liked you point of view. Thanks for being around Piotr. I appreciate your input. Regards
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Brian Smith |
Piotr, Apples are sometimes Green and sometimes Red. Respond to that!
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Piotr M. Organa |
I like lively debate.
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Brian Smith |
You have debated nothing.
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Protacio Serna |
Religion is also out of the equation Brian. I just wrote part of what that picture meant to me, but that isn't necessary correct. I mean, is what I think, not the truth. It is a picture, not a religious propaganda, just a picture. Don't get me wrong. but what worries me is that you wrote that I don0t want negative feedback. I haven't said that. Here's what I wrote: "I have learned a lot from your comment Brian. I appreciate your lines and the time. That is what I expect from this place: opinions…and I liked you point of view." That is what I meant, nothing else. Sincerely:
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Oscar J. Martinez |
Sabes, Protacio, a dònde mandamos en Guadalajara a los que nos dan mucha lata, y estàn friegue y friegue?
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Protacio Serna |
Me imagino Oscar, me lo imagino. Saludos
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BetterPhoto Member |
Ok, here I go...but don't try to bite my head off for speaking my mind people. To me, being Hispanic and knowing up close and personal how dedicated to our religion our culture is, this picture outside the photography world has meaning to me because in a way represents where I come from. By reading your comments, bryan wouldn't know about that since his "ignorance" (for the lack of a better word) doesn't allow him to. "It distracts me from that weird guy on a bike with tons of brooms." says in his first comment... Do you know how many people make a living like that in latin america? not just brooms, but bread, newspapers, candy...anything they can. I am a bit offended by that comment but anyways...I just needed to get that off my chest. Now all the Photoshop talk...Protacio is a good photographer that has no need to manipulate his photos -- Since he plans his shots and knows what he wants to see through the lence of his camera, not after sitting down playing with photoshop. But like Bob, I will hold on to the rest of my opinion on that matter. That is all,
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BetterPhoto Member |
Brian, I must apologize. After I posted my comment I realized it sounded like I called you ignorant in the field. I didn't mean that, I meant of the culture, not photography. I am sure you have a lot of experience as a photographer. That is all again
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Bob Fehringer |
Again, it's just a nice image and straightening anything would take away from the reality of it. Many on this site would probably prefer a perfect world where eveything lines up nice and neat and there is dew on every perfect flower and the sunsets are always the perfect shade of gold. But guess what, you can't Photoshop stuff that is not on your computer. Have a nice neat day anyway. BF
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Karma Wilson |
Being completely NOT in the camp of hating photoshop I have to say I think cloning out the light pole shadow would ruin this picture. That's my opinion. I'm not a pro photographer--and I don't know anything about the differences in lenses, cameras, medium/large formats, etc...what I do know is that the light poles immediately looked like crosses to me and the "broom man" immediately looked like an ordinary but precious person that Christ died for. There--take that for what it is. And I use photoshop all the time. :-) Karma
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Lucia De Giovanni |
Congratulations on your Finalist Protacio, very well deserved!
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Protacio Serna |
Hey...thanks a lot Lucia...I didn't expected this...Oscar did. See you.
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Kathleen Clemons |
Congrats to you, Protacio!
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Patricia A. Kuniega |
Congratulations on this superb finalist, Protacio! Good luck in the next round!
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Dorothy Neumann |
Congratulations Protacio! I hope to see more of your images advance this far in the future!
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Piotr M. Organa |
Congratulations! More!!!!
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- Kelly Abernathy Contact Kelly Abernathy Kelly Abernathy's Gallery |
Congratulations! -K
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Mellanie |
Yea!!! Way to go, Protacio! It's a great image! Good Luck!
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Protacio Serna |
Hey fellows Thanks for being around. I printed this one the same day I made it. Now I’m considering framing it. Thanks again. Protacio Serna
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Leanne M.E. Boyd |
Protacio! Congratulation on your placement, good luck on the next round!
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Bob Fehringer |
Way to go Protacio! BF
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- Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Contact Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas's Gallery |
Felicidades Protacio!, Buena discusion la que armaste con tu foto, lo que indica que llamo la atencion y eso es lo mas importante. Buena suerte en la siguiente fase. Saludos, Amalia
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BetterPhoto Member |
Yeiy clap*clap*clap* !!!!!
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Protacio Serna |
Mil gracias Amalia. jajaja...en verdad se puso interesante el asunto con esta foto, y en realidad lo esperaba. De alguna forma cuando se tocan elementos religiosos siempre se tiene ese riesgo. Valio la pena en realidad. ¿Como vas con tu Gerbera? Hey Rhina...gracias, gracias gracias. Protacio
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BetterPhoto Member |
de nada mi amigo. :)
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- Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Contact Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas Amalia Sylvia Arriaga Salinas's Gallery |
De nada Protacio. Yo ya termine con las fotos de las Gerberas; en realidad fueron unas fotos que tome para mi ultima tarea, pero no llamaron mucho la atencion como tu foto. Despues me avisas de tu serie. Saludos, Amalia
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Bob Fehringer |
Yeah, what they said. BF
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Protacio Serna |
:) We where talking of some pictures about flowers, Bob. I'm trying to explore that field, but not satisfied with my results yet. I’ll post something in a few days. Protacio Serna
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cj patterson |
congratulations portacio on this well deserved finalist!!!
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Bob Fehringer |
Got it Protacio, I do speak a little Spanish, very little. I also have a series of flower photos. Guess we all try them at least once. Good luck and have fun shooting. BF
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Alejandra Reyes |
CONGRATULATIONS Protacio!!! I understood your message in this beautiful shot! Tus fotos sí que llaman la atención, eh?!!!
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Protacio Serna |
yep...thanks. :)
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Jennifer Rennison |
Congratulations on this fabulous finalist image, Protacio!
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