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Marla Drayton
 

picture.com convention and the 45 photographers


There have been a lot of people who have writing about picture.com (ie. International Library of Photography, International Society of Photographers, ephotograph.com, poetry.com and who knows what else).

Many have been invited to their bogus convention where they have been selected to recieve the "Outstanding Achievement in Amateur Photography" award and get some silver bowl if they attend this conference. In addition, they are told they are one of 45 people who have been invited to speak about their photograph and have a chance of winning various prizes. (After you shell out hundreds of dollars to go to this thing)

My question is, how many people have gotten the same bs letter that I did? From the looks of it, it goes out to way more than 45 people.

So, out of curiosity, I'm taking a poll. A simple "Aye" will do if you don't want to write a response.


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3/5/2004 10:54:58 AM

 
Jen Hernandez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/11/2003
  If you read closer it says that you will give a little speech about your photo but does not specifically state that YOU are 1 of 45. It says that 45 will share in the prizes but that is it.

They're sneaky!


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3/5/2004 1:21:10 PM

 
Mary McAllister
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/10/2004
  Aye


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3/11/2004 3:09:06 PM

 
Bob Cammarata
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/17/2003
  I think the "AYES" have it!

It seems as if all who submitted their photos to this group, got the same letter.

(p.s. ..."Aye" ain't goin'!)


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3/11/2004 3:23:08 PM

 
Phil Falson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/24/2002
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  Aye


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3/11/2004 8:04:14 PM

 
Sandra Kaigler   Kaigler, S. I have pics on that site. "Aye" I got one too. I think they print anybody's pic with the hopes that it generates the money for the purchase of the book or from the convention funds. I do not feel that my pics were really 'special' at all. I could not afford such an affair anyway.


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3/12/2004 4:26:09 PM

 
Joanie Bertolini   Aye...me to...I got one in the mail the other day...and they have so far sent three e-mails. They don't seem to want to give up!!


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3/13/2004 4:36:20 PM

 
Phil Falson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/24/2002
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  I also got the same letter, I entered one picture in January and received the letter saying it was going to be published.

I was proud of myself, and have also told friends and family of what I thought was a great accomplishment.

It is a frustrating feeling of being misled, I feel a big sense of let down. Needless to say I didn't buy the book.


After finding this forum I did E-mail mjones@CIRCAPRESS.COM the following:

Let it be known that effective immediately, I withdraw all consent for the use of my photographic work. My picture is to be removed from the picture.com website and it may not be printed in any publication.
Thank you
Phillip A. Falson
Photo
"Long Way Home"

(Thank you K.P. For the great wording)

As of today (3/13/04) my photo or name is no longer on Picture.com.


I am glad that I found this Q&A forum with comments. Betterphoto.com is a wonderful place, and the people here are genuine. And Iím Glad to be able to say I'm part of it!!!


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3/13/2004 5:03:17 PM

 
Debra Louden   aye


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3/16/2004 12:09:00 PM

 
Tiffany  D. Myers   aye


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3/16/2004 2:09:38 PM

 
Rebecka Franklin   Yep! Me too! Why would I spend over $500 for just the ticket price and hundreds more for airfare, hotel, and seminars just to be given a $200 dollar bowl? For a lot less money I can go and buy a silver bowl and have my name engraved on it and say that I was outstanding achivement award!


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3/16/2004 2:44:38 PM

 
Chris Malcolm
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/10/2003
  Aye!! and the book and the bowl, but no T-Shirt. They sent my invitation to be a speaker all the way here to Australia. Better Photo? Better by far!! :-)


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3/16/2004 3:00:28 PM

 
Leesa White
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/22/2003
  Aye! Aye! Aye!! Was also fooled by picture.com. Like the others, I was so excited that my picture was picked for the book. I called all my family and friends. I was even foolish enough to buy the book. I finally figured it out when a second picture of mine was ALSO chosen as a winner. I thought, what an odd coincindence?? When it finally took almost 6 months to receive the book, I started looking into it and that's when I found all the info on this site. Needless to say it was very disappointing, and made me feel really stupid. I also received the letter to go to the convention. Oh well, thank goodness for betterphoto and the very nice members!!


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3/17/2004 12:39:32 PM

 
Laurie L. Snidow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/3/2003
  Seems like many people have been toyed with by this group, has anyone gone to the authorities. With this many people able to say it's happened to them, maybe we can shut them down for scamming hard working people. I have not received the letter, but thanks to the folks here I know to watch for it. Take care all,
Laurie


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3/18/2004 12:49:59 PM

 
Leesa White
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/22/2003
  Hey Laurie, I just received a second letter today, saying they were sorry that I wasn't going to make it to D.C. but that I could still be part of the event and still receive all the awards I've earned If I give them permission to showcase my photo at the convention and send $169.00 plus P+H to cover the time and effort required to present my photography before the convention attendees, and the costs incurred in shipping and insuring these "Extrememly bulky and heavy awards". Amazing huh? Like I didn't send them enough money already. Anyway, watch for that one!!


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3/18/2004 1:11:37 PM

 
Shane L. Goodchild   AYE!!!!!!!!!!!


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3/18/2004 6:39:21 PM

 
Cassundra Brown   Aye!!!!! My wife sent in her pic, which was quite a nice one, and she was extatic about winning an award. This was the first contest she had ever entered. When she reads about how many people received the exact same letters that she did and that most likely all that entered won an award, she will be devastated. It will make her feel like they made a fool out of her. In my opinion, that is the fastest way to stop many new photogtaphers from even trying to better themselves. That will cost us all from viewing many great pictures that could be taken and won't be due to that type of contest.


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3/21/2004 9:25:19 PM

 
Shannon Gibson  
 
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Aye... I have received 5 letters to date, 2 regarding the publishing of my photo, and 3 regarding the convention. After looking closely at the website, anyone that signs up for the convention, which is open admission, will receive one of the "Outstanding Acievment in Amateur Photography" bowls. I was excited to think that one of my photos had been selected to receive an award, but when I saw that it was an open admission convention and everyone attending was recieving an award I dropped all thoughts about going.


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3/22/2004 9:42:08 AM

 
Robin J. Saderup  
 
 
Aye, My son was very excited about photography, so excited I splurged and baught him a Nice digital camera with a nice f28 70-200mm lense and flash an etc. Im not wealthy, I just wanted to support his interest. He entered his first contest at picture.com. He was so excited when he received his letter to honor his picture. He is checking daily for a responce and this email arrives about the convention and his award. He hasn't seen it yet. How do I tell him, it's a scam? He is 16


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3/31/2004 7:41:27 AM

 
Robin J. Saderup  
 
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Aye, My son was very excited about photography, so excited I splurged and baught him a Nice digital camera with a nice f28 70-200mm lense and flash etc. Im not wealthy, I just wanted to support his interest. He entered his first contest at picture.com. He was so excited when he received his letter to honor his picture. He is checking daily for a responce and this email arrives about the convention and his award. He hasn't seen it yet. Now I must think of a way to tell him.


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3/31/2004 7:58:15 AM

 
Susan Loomis   aye.....and aye again.
I got two offers[ first one cost us 187. sadly] and yesterday I got a second offer to showcase a second photo [same convention] along with another bowl, a second medal too....for an additional 187.00
I called for refund. they said when it comes , refuse it, don't open it and send it back marked for full refund required. and they'll send it all back. I seriously doubt it and I called the hilton to alert them I didn't want my photo showcased that I am in process of trying to get a refund, and was covering all bases. A man from the hilton returned my call to reassure me he was looking into this problem and forwarding this problem to ILP office personally and to keep in touch.
With so many photo's showcased there ....will they ever have enough wallspace...seems to be alot of us,good luck.


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3/31/2004 8:09:35 PM

 
Joan Bruno   I too received all the bogus info and fortunately didn't go forward. Last night I decided to send an e-mail to Craig Foster, the award chairperson telling him what I thought. The message came back as undeliverable. See below:

Your message

To: picture.com
Subject: Re: Last chance to receive your photography awards
Sent: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:38:10 -0500

did not reach the following recipient(s):

picture.com on Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:27:51 -0500
The recipient name is not recognized
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=watermark
press;l=EXCHANGE0404010027GT742C8B
MSEXCH:IMS:Watermark Press:Circa Press:EXCHANGE 0 (000C05A6) Unknown
Recipient

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:38:10 -0500
To: "picture.com"
Subject: Re: Last chance to receive your photography awards

I was happy to see this website with all of your responses.

Joan


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4/1/2004 4:24:05 AM

 
Patty A. Wiseman   I felt scammed and angry but most of all depressed at not being what they made me feel like. I wrote their editor and mailed copies to MD. Attorney General and Local TV station this week after reading these emails and would like to be involved in a class action suit.


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4/3/2004 3:39:37 PM

 
James    Aye! Well at least I am not the only one who got scammed, we can share in our misery together :)

I found out about two years ago they were a scam. I entered one photo into the contest..got a reply back saying I won. Entered another photo and won again..damn, I said to myself I'm good ;)

After that and when they started asking for money I knew they were a scam..any legit contest does not ask for money from winners!!!! I have won a few contests in my life and never once did I have to fork out my money.

I too got the email about the convention and will not be attending or give a damn. They even had the audacity to tell me that my picture will be showcased on a 20 foot screen!! How long do they think they can get away with a scam like this??? Someone else is making money from this and it is not me!! To me it is a form of stealing and they are a bunch of snake oil salesmen! I bet ya the poeple who won the 10,000$ grand prize are either dead(no disrespect), made up or family alias'.

They should be shut down along with the bogus poems.com site as well.

I will be sending email to the proper authorities.

j


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4/4/2004 2:01:33 PM

 
Diane Cromartie   I got several e-mails about this convention. And I have not submitted any pictures to them in 5 years. I submitted a few back then, but after I "won" about 4 times, I caught on that it was a scam trying to sell their books and they will publish the worst snapshots in the world if you pay for it. Also, they state that it is possible your photos will "sell" from that site but I was able to download my own pictures from there, so I assume anyone else can too. But I'm not too worried, in the millions of pictures on there, it is doubtful anyone will find mine to download them. What a scam.


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4/5/2004 4:48:41 AM

 
Diane Dupuis
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/27/2003
  Aye! Submitted photo, got the letter, but checked it out on Better Photo first so didn't get sucked into anything else. Obviously didn't go to the convention.
Don't let one bogus organization turn you off of photography. I find the feedback received on my photos at Better Photo has been very encouraging and informative. Also read Jim Miotke's book and have many different things going through my mind when I put the camera up to my eye. That's enough for me right now (although having my first Finalist picture this month has helped boost my ego a bit!)


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4/17/2004 6:44:26 PM

 
Leanne M.E. Boyd
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/16/2003
  Aye!!!!!!


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4/28/2004 5:26:52 AM

 
David Reynolds
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/15/2004
  AYE!!
And the other thing is, I tried to contact them about this to complain and they make it impossible to do that unless you are filling out the registration form for the convention. Thats the first clue they are bogus, is if you cannot contact them.


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4/29/2004 12:02:38 AM

 
Jeremy Martin   Aye!! I submitted one of my photos to picture.com and got a letter stating it was selected to be published in their book. I was excited and proud. I just registered the photo online to be used on products. Then I got to looking at other pictures that people submitted that were to be published also and to be quite honest 95% of them looked like crap. So I searched the web for more photo contest and came across this website and read the responses about picture.com. I'm glad I did because now I want be sending the letter back to them that has the picture on it that was submitted to be OK'd to be published in their book. I've never entered a contest like this before and I thought it was cool to have a chance to have one of my photos published but I now I don't want my photo in a book with a bunch of crap. Now if I can just figure a way to get my photo "unregistered for use" on their website and products. Anybody have a suggestion? I say shut them down so they want be misleading these not so great photographers into thinking there something more than average. Sorry folks but it is the truth.


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4/30/2004 8:20:26 PM

 
David Reynolds
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/15/2004
  The problem is not whether the photographs are considered 'crap' or not. Besides...photography purely an art that many people see different ways. Rather than worry about the book's photographs being 'crap'...worry about the people that are ripping good people off by appealing to thier egos. They make you think you did something out of the ordinary and will be recognized for it. It doesnt matter what the photograph is of....and although you see some as crap, some may see your the same way. Opinions are not the point. The point is fraud.


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5/2/2004 10:06:16 PM

 
Jeremy Martin   You're right DR about photography being an art that people see in many different ways. I was wrong and apoligize to all the people to whom the "crap" comment was being directed at when it should have been directed at picture.com for the way they do these people. I was just very disappointed at the time to discover it was nothing more than a rip off. They made me feel that my photo was more than ordinary and I guess that did "appeal to my ego".


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5/2/2004 10:43:34 PM

 
Meghan Stone   AYE!!!!


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5/3/2004 8:14:21 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  If it was only that people see photography in different ways and it didn't matter what it's a photograph of, then it wouldn't be a fraud.


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5/3/2004 8:26:01 AM

 
Leanne M.E. Boyd
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/16/2003
  Not only did I get the first notification, which I did not repond to, but then I got the convention letter, which I did not respond to. Plus numours sub notifications, from e-mails and regular letters. Non of which I respnded to. You would think they got the message the first time around. NO money was spent on my part, I have better uses for it.


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5/3/2004 8:42:08 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  And it really isn't a fraud because they do give out awards. It's just the way they flood out the letters and emails to get people to come, you could say it's shiesty.
But there were no names mentioned with the crap comment, so why apologize for that?


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5/3/2004 4:43:51 PM

 
David Reynolds
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/15/2004
  I am curious though...is there anyone out there that has actually attended a convention put on by them? Was it real? Professional??


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5/4/2004 8:40:53 AM

 
Leesa White
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/22/2003
  David, if you go to the Q&A section, there are several topics on this, and some people who went to the convention. One in particular is titled "picture.com".


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5/4/2004 10:06:58 AM

 
Jessica T. Calvert   I am so grateful to have found this site and for everyone that has shared information regarding picture.com. Up until a few hours ago, I had nothing to support my suspicions about the contest. (except my suspicions, which should be enough, right?) Anywho, I submitted 2 photos to the site and was so proud when I received the first letter about the plaque and the book. I too shared with my friends and family the exciting "news". And I thought, I would purchase a book that had my photograph in it, that didn't seem unreasonable. Where can I find it, is all I wanted to know. (maybe I'm an ego-maniac)Then I received the second letter the other day and well, you know. I guess the only thing left to say is, I feel better knowing that they didn't get my money (regardless of the amount)and the only reason I have been educated about IPL is because of the great members on this site. Thank you for sharing your experiences! I will surely learn from them.


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5/4/2004 8:58:30 PM

 
Wayne l   Now EVERYONE go to your local post office
and fill out their fraud form and they will send it to the proper inspection division.

Then keep your fingers crossed that they not only put these people out of business
but where they belong.

Wayne


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5/6/2004 6:08:34 AM

 
David Reynolds
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/15/2004
  They probably aren't a fraud in the legal sense...they advertise a convention, and they have one. But they are a fraud in the photographic sense. It isn't a legitimate photographic experience...and the awards are bought, rather than earned.


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5/7/2004 7:50:01 AM

 
Michelle Turner  
 
 
You guys are great in sharing your stories to help others from getting sucked into this scheme.
Thanks to the guy for posting the satellite photo of the "condo." That was quite astute of you :-)
I never send in my $69 and I laughed at the $169 follow up email I just received the other day.
Here's another thought.....I recently found www.lulu.com and am thinking about using their services.
Out of curiousity I ran a quote on a picture book, full color, hardbound. For a 250 page book, the cost is $42.03 and for a 125 page book only $23.28! I'm thinking that 2-sided pages make it really only 125 and not 250? I could be wrong.
So, with that in mind, if I get 50 people to send me $69 for their "winning photo" to be printed into the newest book, I collect $3,450. I then use www.lulu.com to upload the photos and print the 50 books for a cost of $2,101.50 (if it's really 250 pages, only $1,164 if it's actually 125 pages). Either way, I make $1,348.50 (or $2,286 if it's 125 pages).
I am just a normal person who knows how to navigate the internet and I could do this.
So, with all that in mind, if a any of you would like a photo book with your own pictures in it, try using www.lulu.com - at least that way you know you will receive the book and with only good photos :-)
That's "my 2 cents," although I think it may be worth a quarter :-)
Best of luck to you all!


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4/29/2005 5:37:50 PM

 
Stacy Stone   AYE!!!
I recommend going to the Internet Fraud Complaint Center and filing a complaint. The more people they get with the same complaint, the more likely they are to investigate. I am going to enter mine tonight.
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp


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4/30/2005 10:28:51 PM

 
Melvin John Adams Atkins   Aye!! and aye and AYE again.
Lucky me!!I didnt donate money to the Picture.com ripoff fund for the bowl and medal. I did however send a copy of the so called letters to a friend of mine in MD who is reaching out to local press.
I also refused to purchase my own photograph in a book (x3) Did anyone else get a silver medal delivered free of charge to them?? I did for a photo I sent in some time ago. Then I got the why did I not attend the convention letter and could I plese send $169.00 USD for my bowl and medal.yea sure I will..when they send me the caddy to pick me up for the event!!
Im dissapointed that there are people out there that take advantage of us Photographers just starting out in this, could I ask if someone is doing something about these people??let me know.


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5/2/2005 5:24:36 PM

 
Carol Fredericks   Aye! Picture.com has been after me for years to send them money. I've received all the letters mentioned above re the convention and what a wonderful photographer I am. I never sent them a dime. They're definitely a scam. I think it would be funny to send them the worst photograph I could possibly take and then wait and see if they want to publish it and give (sell) me a prize!


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5/5/2005 12:37:18 PM

 
Daniel C. Phillips   aye me too


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5/25/2005 6:31:40 AM

 
Bill Furniss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/29/2002
 
 
 
I too have sent pictures to these people. First it took forever to get my book only after numerous calls did I get It. Then the great convention?
I of cause refused the offer and will not send them anymore money for my pictures. Hopefully someone will shut them down.


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6/2/2005 8:53:30 AM

 
Neil L. Lindsey   Aye, me to.


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6/24/2005 7:10:09 PM

 
Carol Fredericks   Aye, me too. I'm thinking of sending them the worst possible photo just to toy with them and see what they do. They're taking a new tack now. I just received the following new letter from them:

Dear Carol,

Over the past year or so, we have been reviewing the thousands of photographs that have been submitted to us, as well as examining various pictures that have been featured by other photography publishers. After an exhaustive examination of this photographic artistry, The International Library of Photography has decided to publish a collection of new photos taken by the best photographers we have encountered.

I am pleased to tell you that you have been selected to appear in this special edition . . .

THE BEST PHOTOS OF 2005
Library of Congress 0-7951-5259-0

Congratulations on your accomplishment, Carol. Only a small percentage of individuals whose photos we have examined were selected to be part of this distinguished group of outstanding photographers.

And that's not all. To honor the accomplishment of this elite group of talented individuals, we have established a separate contest with over $4,500.00 in prizes to be awarded among you. You will automatically be entered into the final competition, but you must submit a new photograph (if you have not already done so). Prizes will be announced this winter, with an anticipated publication date of late Spring 2006.

The Best Photos of 2005 will be among the finest quality books we have ever published, so your photography will be presented in the most elegant way possible. Every aspect of publication and design will convey the quality craftsmanship and attention to detail that will go into the production of this special edition. The coffee-table quality book will feature a deluxe cover and spine. The stock itself will be of fine-milled, acid-free paper to last for generations . . . and quality typography will be displayed throughout. Best of all . . .

. . . this special edition will feature a new, unpublished photograph by
Carol Fredericks!

Before going any further, Carol, let me make one thing clear . . . you were selected for publication on the basis of your previously published photo. Your new photo, which you will select for this edition, will be accepted for publication on the basis of your previous accomplishments. Your prior photo was among the most interesting pictures we have encountered, so we wish to feature your artistry in this special edition and make this special prize money available to you and the others who have been chosen. You are under no obligation whatsoever to submit any entry fee or subsidy payment, or to make any purchase of any kind.

As I mentioned above, your photograph will be accepted into this special edition, and as soon as we receive your picture, it may be immediately published on our website, www.picture.com, and entered into the final competition of the contest. And let me reassure you, your photographic image remains your property--The Best Photos of 2005 is copyrighted as a compilation. This means that you retain the copyright to your own work of art. In order to make our scheduled publication date, you must submit your photo as soon as possible (if you haven't already done so). Please make sure to use your unique control number, 1478765-4241, when entering your photo.

Again, congratulations, Carol. The Best Photos of 2005 promises to be the most exclusive and widely enjoyed collection of photographs we have ever published. We feel that you take wonderful, captivating photographs and we believe your newly submitted photo will add to the importance and appeal of this edition. Your contribution to this project is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Bryan
Managing Editor

P.S. Carol, you should be genuinely proud of your accomplishment. You have been selected to participate in this very special project because of your unique vision. It is our pleasure to publish fine photographs such as yours in this special volume. And, most importantly, once you submit your photo to this special project, you may purchase a copy of The Best Photos of 2005 at our special pre-publication price, if you wish to do so. The International Library of Photography will send you additional information about this special offer.

Please click here or go to http://www.picture.com/BestPhotos2005/index.asp?ID=1478765&Suite=4241 to submit your photo as soon as possible (if you haven't already done so). Please make sure to use your unique control number, 1478765-4241, when entering your photo.

Please do not reply to this message. If you no longer wish us to notify you of events that we believe may be of interest to you, please click here, or go to http://www.picture.com/nl/stopemail.asp.



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6/26/2005 10:42:16 AM

 
Karyn M. Eyles-Balukea   I received the same letter about the book you can enter your photo into, "by invitation ONLY" for The Best of 2005. I actually tried to upload a photo to them but it continually failed to upload. I don't know why but I'm now just glad that it wouldn't go through.


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7/1/2005 5:19:57 AM

 
Marilyn F. Wilson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/7/2005
 
 
 
Aye!!! Interestingly, I receive a letter of invitation to take part of the 2005 Best Photos this was in June of this year, funny I had complain about them to the BBB {Jan. 2005} in which they did nothing, they will not bite the hand that feeds them, I put in the complaint to the Attorney General in April, they finally sent the book in June I return the book to them the very same day. It was very poor quality. To make a long story short they finally refund the money in Sept for the book after Attorney General got on their case. They thought I would give up I guess. I might add, there are some that get a reward for their photo after all picture.com have to satisfy some people.

They still have my photo on their website for a purchase. How do I go about having them to removing it? If you want your money to be refunded you must complain to the Attorney General of Maryland. Thanks for hearing me out.


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9/9/2005 3:02:59 PM

 
Marilyn F. Wilson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/7/2005
 
 
 
Aye!!! Interestingly, I receive a letter of invitation to take part of the 2005 Best Photos this was in June of this year, funny I had complain about them to the BBB {Jan. 2005} in which they did nothing, they will not bite the hand that feeds them, I put in the complaint to the Attorney General in April, they finally sent the book in June I return the book to them the very same day. It was very poor quality. To make a long story short they finally refund the money in Sept for the book after Attorney General got on their case. They thought I would give up I guess. I might add, there are some that get a reward for their photo after all picture.com have to satisfy some people.

They still have my photo on their website for a purchase. How do I go about having them to removing it? If you want your money to be refunded you must complain to the Attorney General of Maryland. Thanks for hearing me out.


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9/9/2005 3:05:49 PM

 
ML VanWey   AYE...I received this letter last year. I didn't go or purchase any books. Every picture I enter is published. I recently entered a picture at circleofphotographers.com. I received an email saying I am being published. Has anyone heard of them? This was my first time entering with them to win a $5000 contest.


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9/11/2005 8:12:14 AM

 
Carol Fredericks  
 
 
As an experiment, I have just now submitted my WORST photograph to Picture.com. I think they send the same email to everyone who enters a photo, any photo, in their "contest." The picture I have submitted is a crappy picture of my daughter's swollen foot and ankle which I took just after she sprained the ankle on a trip to Hawaii a couple of years ago.


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9/11/2005 11:45:05 AM

 
Carol Fredericks  
 
 
As an experiment, I have just now submitted my WORST photograph to Picture.com. I think they send the same email to everyone who enters a photo, any photo, in their "contest." The picture I have submitted is a crappy picture of my daughter's swollen foot and ankle which I took just after she sprained the ankle on a trip to Hawaii a couple of years ago.


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9/11/2005 11:45:47 AM

 
Linda S. Pearson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/27/2005
  Aye! here too. I submitted a photo and received a letter today. For $69.95 I can purchase the book.
I knew I wasn't going to purchase that and after reading all these comments am glad.
I just tried to check their web site and it was not available.
Maybe they are finally out of business!
Linda


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9/17/2005 9:56:04 PM

 
Stephanie M. Stevens   ML: There is a thread on betterphoto about Circle of Photographers too, you should read it.


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9/17/2005 10:57:51 PM

 
Stephanie M. Stevens   The thread is called "Selected for Publication"


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9/17/2005 11:00:10 PM

 
ML VanWey   Thanks for the info on circle of photographers. Don't beat yourself up too much Karen. I bit too. I didn't bite on picture.com but I bit on COP because it was a picture of my granddaughter and I thought it would be a great rememberance, of me, for her. Well they say there's one born every minute. I have contacted paypal and COP. COP sent me the emails you all have received. I told them there is a large group of us that want them out of business. I will let you know what happens. I agree BetterPhoto should do a publication. Thanks again for the info on COP. ML


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9/18/2005 8:49:36 AM

 
ML VanWey   Stephanie S. Thank you again. I sent the nasty email to COP and within hours I received the your book has been mailed email. I replied with my request for a refund. I received another email from COP telling me they could give me a refund and requesting my paypal transaction#. I sent it and shortyl after I received an email from paypal saying they gave me a refund. Must be things are not good for them. The email that was not rejected is help@curcleofpoets.com The other addresses are rejected. I would suggest anyone who paid for a book send an email. Good Luck ML


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9/18/2005 11:24:13 AM

 
Janet Friedman   Aye, Aye, Aye, Aye: One for each letter I have received to date. I followed my gut... If it seems too good to be true it likely is. I checked them out right away and saw it had SCAM written all over it. But not before getting my hopes up a bit. :-(


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9/18/2005 8:48:55 PM

 
Connie J. Foster
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/17/2004
  ***AYE*** Here is the latest scam:
Dear Connie,

We are excited to inform you that you can now receive a customized Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary for your personal use and enjoyment. This beautiful, burgundy Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary has been exclusively created for an elite group of photographers from all around the world and will symbolize your affiliation with The International Library of Photography every day throughout 2006. The meticulous design and unprecedented detail is highlighted throughout. The official logo of The International Library of Photography is prominently displayed on the front cover in 24-karat gold embossing, and your name can be engraved in gold on a personalized nameplate.

The Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary has many features that make it essential for any artist. The elegant, durable cover, with protective gold corners, makes this desk diary stylish, sophisticated, and functional. The striking appearance and superior quality are just the beginning of what is offered in this Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary. The inside has gilded pages throughout, with a weekly date grid that prominently displays both traditional and international holidays. There are two elegant satin ribbons so you can bookmark important dates and reminders. The desk diary is an impressive 8-1/2 x 10-1/2 inches in size, providing an abundance of reference pages, including international maps, expense report tables, address and phone grids, metric tables, world time tables, and much more.

The Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary is not only sophisticated and stylish, but also very functional. It makes for a beautiful presentation piece and is well designed with the needs of a photographer in mind. We believe that you will not only love the attractive look of the diary, but you will also find it to be a valuable resource in your daily planning.

You will not find this product offered throughout the year because this special, customized journal is only offered to a few photographers who warrant such a prestigious honor. If you wish to receive your Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary (just $39.95 for the non-personalized edition and $10.00 extra for personalization, plus shipping and handling), simply click here. And, as always, your satisfaction is assured with an unconditional, 90-day money-back guarantee.

Jeffrey Bryan

Managing Editor
The International Library of Photography

P.S. We are confident that you will enjoy the classic design of your Limited Edition 2006 Photography Desk Diary. The highest artistic quality and manufacturing standards have gone into the production of this product, and, best of all, it can be personalized with your name engraved in gold on a personalized nameplate.

To take advantage of this special offer, click here or go to
https://www.picture.com/picturebuy/DeskDiary.asp?VIP=1561783&SC=DD01

This message is intended for tfoster675@aol.com. You are receiving this email because you submitted a photo to our contest and agreed to receive relevant emails from us.

Please do not reply to this message. If you no longer wish us to notify you of events that we believe may be of interest to you, please click here, or go to http://www.picture.com/nl/stopemail.asp.

picture.com * 3600 Crondall Lane * Owings Mills, MD 21117

I entered & supposedly won & waited almost 2 years from entry to getting book - It's a horrible scam that preys on amateurs. They publish every photo they receive & send everyone the same letter. Then want you to pay for the book & YOUR AWARDS!!!!!!!!! I WAS STUPID DON'T DO AS I DID. I have also ask that they take my name off their mailing list & they continue to send info like this basically "send us your money & we will screw you". I'm so sorry I did not listen to that little voice in my head before I joined BP.com. Our hearts want to be published, but there are plenty of competitions out there for much less than they want at ILP. A real BOGUS OPERATION.


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11/10/2005 6:25:57 PM

 
Patty A. Wiseman   aye


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11/13/2005 12:09:54 PM

 
Christopher B. 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2002
  aye Christopher here, I did enter and di have some published, I did buy one book and like it has been said previously they publish I beleive any and all photos sent to them.
They do not do justice to the photos and they are way too small.
So circle of photogpraher scammer stoo. I have never bougt the book 'cause too pricey. They only have one photo of mine.
I am now after erading this forum going to mail have all my photos removed.
How many got the letter stating they have been awarded amateur photographer of the year. I even met someoen in lake louise who had one photo and got al the same info I did.
yeah would like to go to a convention but the price did not even include hotel RIP off. Then send us 169 dolars for your award. Sorry way too much money. Picture.com.international library of photogrpahers bah they just
weasling moeny out of everybody. Fortunetly I only bought once.
So how we do we shut these scammers down to prevent others from getting ripped off.
Christopher b Smyth
So anyone know some god amateur photography conventions


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12/3/2005 5:37:45 PM

 
Dana D. Wiggins Thompson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/17/2003
  Aye!!!!! X2!


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12/5/2005 7:50:34 AM

 
James S. Robinson   Aye, and my cousin too. He submitted a photo a little over a year ago and told me about being invited to New York for their convention and all that. I'm new to photography and decided to submit one recently to see what kind of response I got. I was excited when I got an email and a snail mail in the same day from picture.com talking about this years convention in Las Vegas. I was considering ordering the book, but started thinking about it all and put two and two together. I did a Google search for "picture.com scam" and...well, here I am.

On an up note, my cousin did recieve a check in the mail for a dollar and something, so apparently people can purchase the photo through them. At least it's apparently not a total scam.


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12/10/2005 2:52:54 AM

 
Gale Z. Miko   Aye! Recieved the same letters. They picked me too!! Guess that's not a supprise. Thanks for sharing. Nice to know there are other amateur photographers out there that sometimes get sucked in. I didn't send any money or buy the book either.


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12/10/2005 6:57:22 AM

 
Susan Loomis  
 
 
aye, and that bowl isn't that great and tarnishes quickly....200.00 ...[.where do you shop?]I got two letters and after biting once.....never again.why don't WE see cash for our photo's they sell??? this has gone on for years, just new players. Never did find anyone who saw my pic"where I go to dream" on their big screen????true tis a SCAM. SAVE your cash, If you're so anxious to throw away the cash, I could use it....or feed a hungry family, not line their pockets. I can be reached...runningfeathers@yahoo.com


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12/10/2005 9:32:32 AM

 
Susan Loomis  
 
 
aye, and that bowl isn't that great and tarnishes quickly....200.00 ...[.where do you shop?]I got two letters and after biting once.....never again.why don't WE see cash for our photo's they sell??? this has gone on for years, just new players. Never did find anyone who saw my pic"where I go to dream" on their big screen????true tis a SCAM. SAVE your cash, If you're so anxious to throw away the cash, I could use it....or feed a hungry family, not line their pockets. I can be reached...runningfeathers@yahoo.com


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12/10/2005 9:32:58 AM

 
KIM STRAUSBAUGH
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/3/2005
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  I, too, fell into this trap! My husbands constant questioning made me a little curious. The International Library of Photography state that their books are available from the Library of Congress plus national bookstore chains. I emailed the "Libray of Congress", I think the response answers the question and nothing from the bookstores is available as well.

Question History:

Patron: Does the Library of Congress have the anthologies from The
International Library of Photography available for ordering?

Librarian 1: Thank you for your recent question to the Prints and Photographs
Division.

We receive many inquiries regarding the International Library of Photography.
Please be aware that we are not in any way affilitated with this group.

If the books are available for purchase, you should be able to contact a local
vendor, or order a copy of it over the internet. Please contact the
International Library of Photography directly if you have any questions
regarding their products or services.

*********************************
Reference Section
Prints and Photographs Division
Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave., SE
Washington, D.C. 20540-4730
telephone: 202-707-6394
fax: 202-707-6647
URL: < http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/ >
email: < http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-print.html >
***********************************
To check the status or the history of your library question(s), go to: http://questionpoint.org/crs/servlet/org.oclc.ask.PatronDirect?&language=1&email=kgstrausbaugh@cox.net&qid=1228698

Please take a moment to fill out a survey at: http://questionpoint.org/crs/servlet/org.oclc.ask.PatronSurveyForm?&language=1&type=ask&qid=1228698



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12/30/2005 9:55:25 PM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  I think everybody has sent at least one shot to these clowns. I sent one way back about 5 years ago, and of course it was a winner. Lucky for me, I'm cheap, so wouldn't even consider sending money...I'm still receiving an occasional letter trying to sell me a book that should have been published about 4 1/2 years ago. Go figure. LOL


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12/31/2005 5:35:49 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  Aye...
So? has anyone actually gone to this? or do you know anyone who has? Im kinda curious as to what it might have been like? It would be a great time to get up onstage and tell the crowd exactly what we feel!
Craig-


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12/31/2005 2:31:24 PM

 

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  Aye, And I dare you to find someone who didn't.


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1/1/2006 8:49:17 AM

 
Patty A. Wiseman   aye


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1/2/2006 4:55:55 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Plenty haven't. You keep lots of pictures on multiple places your name gets picked up like telemarketers.


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1/2/2006 11:29:10 PM

 
Donna L. Cox
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2005
  aye.. and aye for my sister. we are supposed to have pics published in the same book.


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1/4/2006 10:47:31 AM

 
Connie J. Foster
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/17/2004
 
 
 
If any of you are interested - there is another thread on this corrupt company - Ann is one that I respond to & Craig & I on that thread have come to a conclusion that if everyone on all the threads here at BP.com who have been scammed enter the "rear end" of an animal on Picture.com that we are sure we will all get our notification that we have "unique perspective & have taken an award winning photo" Here's mine so I'll let you all know how long it takes - Craig has entered the "rear end" of a turkey - I'm waiting for him to post it on Ann's Question thread. Here's mine!!!


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1/5/2006 8:57:28 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  i entered my turky butt...now let the games begin!
Craig-


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1/5/2006 9:39:26 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  i entered my turky butt...now let the games begin!
Craig-


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1/5/2006 9:39:31 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  i entered my turky butt...now let the games begin!
Craig-


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1/5/2006 9:39:36 AM

 
Kaylee  Cumming   i most definately got an e-mail too...it mentioned a conference in Las Vegas and a wall of fame or something :P


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10/17/2007 6:35:53 PM

 
Kaylee  Cumming   i most definately got an e-mail too...it mentioned a conference in Las Vegas and a wall of fame or something :P


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10/17/2007 6:35:53 PM

 
Lucy Henry   I google'd Is picture.com genuine?..and found ur blog.I live in the UK I thought it didnt sound genuine. You should never have to pay to enter contests etc!!!i have had all the emails and letters posted all needing money to obtain the 'awards' iv won and to fly to Las Vegas for a ceremony!im pleased I found this to reinforce my thought that it was all a load of crap!!


thanks guys!x


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1/23/2008 7:09:08 AM

 
Kathlyn K. Miller   Aye! But, to the UK party who said you have to pay for a contest -yes and no! You don't have to pay to send them your photo or to get it in "the book". You pay when you purchase the book! Yes, call me "sucker" cuz I did buy both books with both of my photos in 'em but I'm not sorry. I love having some kind of "proof" (no pun intended) for all my doubtful "friends". I DID get a photo published in a book - TWICE! That's more than they can say! It gives me some leverage and bragging rights!


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10/6/2008 10:10:21 AM

 
Samantha L. Dean
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/17/2006
  Aye....


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10/6/2008 1:10:23 PM

 
A P
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2008
  Not "aye" and I never put a picture on their site. VBG


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10/6/2008 1:58:02 PM

 
Donna Rowley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/5/2004
  Perhaps if we all contributed a cent each we could afford to send one of us to the "convention" to throw rotten fruit at the organisers? Any volunteers to be the fruit thrower?! I'll provide the fruit! Lol!


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10/8/2008 2:56:51 AM

 
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