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Dianna Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/20/2006
 

Pinterest


Wondering what the thought is about Pinterest and protecting our images. If you've never heard of it check it out. The idea is that whatever you see on the internet that you think is beautiful, cool, interesting, etc. you pin to a variety of boards where people then "Pin" or copy to their own boards. An image an go viral very quickly. Photography, cute pictures, portraits, etc. are very popular "pins". I've seen some BP work there already.


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4/10/2012 3:00:27 PM

 
Lynn R. Powers   WARNING: This reply conains negative comments. This is frowned upon by BP.

Dianna I checked out your gallery here on BP. What I saw was a photographer that knows how to use their camera properly, takes time to create a photograph instead of only snapping a picture, understands the principles of composition and lighting, is capable of creating a mood which is generally delightful and is proficient in processing to make a beautiful presentation.
Dianna how would you feel if someone told you they saw one of your photos of grapes in a full page add in a magazine that advertised XYZ wine when you had not even submitted it for consideration nor had received any compensation for its use? In other words the photograph was stolen from you. When you take a photograph you become the author and own the copyright and no one has the right to use it without your permission and/or compensation. Not even to copy it and make a print to hang on their wall. And putting a copyright with your name on it does little good because they can be easily removed.

Pinterest gives a false premiss when they say "anything on the intenet can be copied and used by whomever" That is called in legal circles stealing. Are you able to copy some photos from the internet? YES. But these sites will let you know it is OK for your own personal purposes such as making a lage print and haning it on your wall or possibly use for publication in an educational book. But even then you may not take credit for taking the photo and a photo credit is generally used when doing so.

Every day photos are taken from the Printerest site and used as photos for someones site, in their galleries, sold for use in calenders, magazines and other publications. The thieves may get paid for the use of the photos themselves or the company itself may use them for their internal organs or advertisements. They pay for the ad but nothing for the photographer. Sites like this are killing the professional photographer market.

As a photographer it is your right to give away any of YOUR photographs to any person or entity that you desire. It is also your right to charge for it in any form desired.
Now if you want to show your photos around the world, 90%n of the time without your name in the photo credit, you are free to do that also. Then Printerest is the site for you.

Printerest as well as Facebook are being investigated on their photo policies. To their credit, and pocketbook, Facebook will probably make some changes. But Printerest, because of the way they operate, will have to close down completely and none of the images will be retrieveable.

The decision is up to you. I hope that you have enough pride in your photos to make the proper decision.

I love your photos as apparently the editors of BP do also.


Lynn


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4/12/2012 12:35:38 PM

 
Dianna Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/20/2006
  Hi Lynn
I guess I wasn't clear. I feel EXACTLY as you do. My intent was to put sort of a warning out there for my fellow photographers. As I re read what I wrote I can see how you misread my intentions. I enjoy pinterest as a place to mindlessly browse things I enjoy. There are some beautiful photographs and inspiration (sort of like on BP) there and it seems they are being "pinned" with great frequency and with out much regard as to who the photographer is. I have no problem with people pinning my photographs as long as I am credited with the work. I can even see where it may be useful advertising or referral. But thats me... I CAN'T make the decision for other photographers. It is simply people enjoying and sharing beautiful/useful things for the most part. Having said that I can also see a problem as it could be viewed as stealing and according to the law it is. Here is a very great article written my a former pinterest member who just happens to be a lawyer. My intent in asking my original question was to make photographers aware and possibility BP. Maybe we have at the top of our galleries "Pins ok" "Do not pin" I don't know. I can't make decisions for other photographers only for myself. Thank you for you time Lynn


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4/12/2012 1:25:22 PM

 
Dianna Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/20/2006
  oops here is the link. By the way the author gives approval to share the link:

http://ddkportraits.com/2012/02/why-i-tearfully-deleted-my-pinterest-inspiration-boards/


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4/12/2012 1:32:01 PM

 
Dianna Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/20/2006
  FYI: I just found one persons with one folder who had pinned 35 BP images (all from different owners/galleries) in it - most credit the owner, two did not, all had betterphoto name on it. Even Jim Mitoke had a picture pinned. THIS is why I put this on the discussion board. How many people even know of Pinterest?


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4/12/2012 1:46:46 PM

 
Christopher Budny
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/3/2005
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  I guess I haven't fully grasped the issue at heart here... if I load my own photo to my public BP gallery, anyone in the world with a browser can get to it, see it, view it, and if so inclined, screen-grab the 800x533 pixel presentation of that image. Fortunately, they have no access to the actual JPG or TIF file I uploaded to BP---although I only upload pre-shrunk 800x533 files to begin with...

So then if someone pins that image from my BP public web gallery into a Pinterest board, then folks who cruise Pinterest will also see my image there; when they click it (from my experience cruising Pinterest boards) it drills right back to my gallery image, no? The Pinterest "pinner" isn't taking a screenshot of my on-screen 800x533 pixel image, and uploading that resulting JPG to Pinterest, right? They're simply "broadcasting" the link (graphically) to my public BP display of the image?

Is that an accurate summary? (I ask seriously, because I don't know enough about Pinterest beyond a cursory glance.)


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4/18/2012 7:58:39 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  I just read the blog link, haven't been to pinterest. But I did catch part of Anderson Cooper when he was talking about it. I guess what it does is if people like a photo that somebody's uploaded to pinterest, they can use that upload to "see what else you got" and end up at your website.
What most of the activity might be people passing along photos to each other they like, forming social bonds with them.
But I love how the blog states that pinterest says, don't promote your own stuff but make sure everything you use you have rights to use as if it is yours.


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4/20/2012 5:34:54 PM

 
Nikki McDonald
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2006
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  LOL Gregory - as if any of the people who are pinning things have anyone's permission to do so.


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4/20/2012 6:53:22 PM

 
Dianna Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/20/2006
  Christopher I think you have grasped the issue and that you are correct. Its all very interesting because as Gregory said Pinterest rules state that you cannot pin anything you don't have rights too. Well... if that were so I can't see how they would have anything to pin especially since we're not supposed to promote our own work though there are people that do. Thanks for the responses guys and gals, I wish more people would see this. I think some BPers will be raging mad that people are pinning their work and I also think some will appreciate that people like their work and that it could even work like a referral. I think the later is the way I'm leaning. But I also have become more and more careful about only uploading low res files and watermarking them and imbedding them.


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4/21/2012 8:07:38 AM

 
Thom Schoeller
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/4/2006
  Not sure if this was covered, but one of the biggest issues with this pinterest is once the link is broken back to your website, the image is just wandering out there on the web and is apparently free game.


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4/25/2012 5:07:44 PM

 
Dennis Flanagan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/31/2005
  Thomas, Can't the exact same thing you just typed refer to BP as well? It's the price we pay of uploading to the world wide web.

I love lamp.


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4/27/2012 6:35:46 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  Yep.
And I love chocolate milk.


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4/27/2012 3:35:00 PM

 
Lynn R. Powers   BP does have a 'right click' protection. While it isn't infalible there a lot fewer people that know how to beat that than those that know how to remove the copyright.


Lynn


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4/27/2012 8:53:53 PM

 
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