BetterPhoto Q&A
Category: New Questions

Photography Question 
Vicki Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/24/2008
 

Editors Picks


I'm wondering why when some members do not get an editors pick on their image they delete it. Is this site all about editors picks and the contest? If the image was important enough to the member to enter it..why delete it? I suppose it must be important for some to have that "award" on every single picture in their gallery. Yes it is special and encouraging...but there are many images that get past by from the editors. I have gone to look at some of my favorites only to see they have been deleted..because the editors didn't give them an award. Remember...there are members here that enjoy images wheather or not it has an EP.


To love this question, log in above
2/12/2009 9:30:59 AM

 
Corinne M. Thompson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/31/2005
  Something I've oftentimes wondered too Vicki. I know that down the road when "space" becomes an issue with my gallery, I may be faced with a decision on what to keep displayed. I have already decided that EFP or not, if I don't care for the image anymore, it will go.


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 10:30:35 AM

 
A P
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2008
  Vicki I think this is a wonderful post and I myself used to remove my other photos until recently. I used to move them to the back pages or make them unavailable for viewing. But lately some of my favorite captures have not gotten the EfP and I just couldn't bring myself to move them to the back pages. So I have now stopped this practice and I applaud you for saying what you did. I agree 100%. They should be left for the community to enjoy whether it has a plaque or not.


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 10:34:11 AM

 
Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/11/2005
Contact Ken
Ken's Gallery
  Vicki...alot depends on the motivation of the folks that post the photos..some do it strictly for the contest..no EP means it's somehow "inferior" and must be quickly disposed. Others post for the fun of it and aren't driven by the pursuit of the EP. It's just a personal choice. I see both sides of the coin and must admit, have removed some photos from my gallery because they did not get an EP. But I've kept many that have not gotten an EP, because I like the photo.


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 11:19:19 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
Contact Carolyn
Carolyn 's Gallery
PickYourShots.com
  It used to be a space issue, but now that space isn't so much of a problem, I think people will keep what they like up to a point..Hard to break old habits I guess.


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 11:35:48 AM

 
Kitty R. Rodehorst-Hanna
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/14/2006
  When I don't get and EFP I will move the image to another place in my gallery but I don't delete them. Maybe that is what others are doing too! Just a thought! :-) k


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 11:47:04 AM

 
Melissa G. Meiselman
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/24/2005
  I put the winners and finalists in my gallery in the very back because I want people looking at my gallery to see my latest work. There are times when I feel an image was passed over because of an oversight. I keep said image where it was posted and with the passage of time, I may reconsider, thinking the image is not the great shakes is was when posted. Only then will I remove it from view. Otherwise, the image stays. I want people to see those images that I feel are my best.


To love this comment, log in above
2/12/2009 4:55:21 PM

 
Lynn Haack
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/10/2007
  I do eventually delete many of the images that don't receive an EP, but not all of them. The reason I do this is because I look at this BP membership as a learning experience and if my image was not chosen by the BP editors, I take that (in most cases) as a message that something could be be improved with that image. I am not here only for "awards", I am here to learn. When awards are given, I am very appreciative. The awards tell me that I did something right with that particular photo to gain the judges recognition and approval. Ofcoarse, the BP judges are human and the judging can at times be very subjective. However, The BP judges are also photography experts and teachers and I respect their opinions very much. I find this to be an excellent, supportive, learning site. I can see how my photos have progressed since I joined in March of 2007.


To love this comment, log in above
2/15/2009 10:03:48 AM

 
Erica Murphy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/25/2003
ericamurphyphotography.com
  I feel as Lynn does. If they passed over an image, it's usually for a good reason. I will try again. It is a space issue for me. I've been here for a long time and have a lot of images. I know that not many people look at my gallery, but if I had all the images that weren't good enough to be an EFP, no one would want to look. It doesn't mean I don't like the image, it just means I don't think it was good enough to take up space in my gallery here. Sometimes I try again. Many of my contest winners and finalists were entered several times, so I don't give up on an image if I really believe in it.


To love this comment, log in above
2/15/2009 4:58:35 PM

 
Usman M. Bajwa
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/11/2006
Contact Usman
Usman's Gallery
  I believe 'to delete' or 'not to delete' is a personal choice.

As long as a person is happy with the LEARNING curve and ENJOYING pressing that shutter, its a win that outclasses all other recognitions.


To love this comment, log in above
2/16/2009 1:46:24 AM

 
Melinda F. Schneider
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/14/2007
Contact Melinda
Melinda's Gallery
  Here, here, Usman!!


To love this comment, log in above
2/16/2009 5:20:26 AM

 
Sandy Hawkins
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/17/2007
  I keep my favorites in my gallery regardless of whether or not they get an EP. To be honest often when they don't get an EP I didn't love the image anyway OR if I do love it I sometimes remove it from my gallery to rework and resubmit at a later date.

I had a zebra image I really liked...the first time around it didn't get an EP, I removed it, reworked it and entered it a few months later. That time it got an EP and didn't move further on. Later I looked at it, and knew I could make it better. I reworked it yet again, and it took a finalist.

Sandy


To love this comment, log in above
2/16/2009 7:51:41 AM

 
Jessica Jenney
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/2/2005
  "I feel as Lynn does. If they passed over an image, it's usually for a good reason."
Erica, I don't agree! Why then when we resubmit, sometimes up to 3 or more times it finally gets an EP? I just got an EP for a photo I resubmitted 3 times because I believed in it!

Crossings


To love this comment, log in above
2/19/2009 5:48:16 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
Contact Carolyn
Carolyn 's Gallery
PickYourShots.com
  I'm with Jessica on this one. There are just way too many excellent shots that don't get an EFP, which would be fine except for the many that aren't quite so excellent that do. Look around at some of the galleries of the people you consider really good landscape photographers and you will see a lot of pass overs..and there are some that go on through that have few redeeming qualities at all...although there aren't as many of those anymore. The overall quality of the submissions is improving all the time.I think everybody's question is why, when there are so many really nice ones that get skipped, would they put an obviously inferior shot through. And I don't think the "subjective" arguement covers it at all. Sometimes they are just plain awful. Resubmits do very well sometimes, so if you love it, resubmit it.


To love this comment, log in above
2/19/2009 5:56:45 AM

 
Dr Silly
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/28/2004
  If there is one think I have learned about EP's is that they are not always right. I have seen photos that did not get a EP, when resubmitted went on to be come a finalist. Sometimes the judge just miss the photo. Other times it may not be thats judges type of photo and a different judge may pick in in a defferent month. So just because it didn't get a EP, doesn't make it a bad photo. :O)


To love this comment, log in above
2/19/2009 1:44:55 PM

 
Tracy L. Hart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/27/2005
Contact Tracy
Tracy's Gallery
  Personally for me, I am not posting and entering JUST to get EP... I am doing it so people can see what I do, and see the world through my eyes. This is a good topic, and I know it is great to be recognized. But keep in mind the hundreds of photos they go through. Of course some are going to get overlooked. I feel it is a great addition to the gallery to have that little oval under any of my photos that says they "liked it" and they actually looked at my stuff.


To love this comment, log in above
2/19/2009 7:13:21 PM

 
Peter W. Marks
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/5/2006
  An interesting thread that probably has more to do with psychology than photography! (oh, go on laugh)
The BP Contest rules etc tell us this about EPs -
"The "Editor's Picks" are contest entries that have moved on from round 1 of the contest judging. These images are found to be interesting, eye-catching or beautiful to the judges...."

"And there's the rub..." as it says in Shakespear's Hamlet.
I am sure we all have different tastes in music, literature, TV programs, spouses and where we like to vacation, so it is extremely unlikely that we or the judges will be totally in agreement about the merit of any particular image. Doing a bit of math I see that already this month there have been 14,760 contest entries or an average of 738 a day. Now, in our wildest dreams we cannot imagine that
Jim Miotke judges these! From the home page it appears that his team consists of his vice president wife plus ten others and logic tells us that these good folk are secretary, web designer, data entry person, telephone and email person, accounts person, wages clerk, blogger, editorial assistant , coffee fetcher and advertising/marketing guru. So including Jim and Mrs Jim that makes twelve in all and now you are wondering who judges these 738 entries each day!
If we look at the "Homepage" then "About Us" you will see the whole team and there at the bottom of the photo is a scruffy little terrier and now you have the answer! All entries are on the computer and as they scroll down our mutt either barks and wags his tail, or puts a paw over his eyes and the image get either that EP you so covet or the trash can.
So my dear friends, just photograph a big juicy bone and you will go straight onto Finalist and Winner.
Have a great day folks.
Pete


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 8:24:53 AM

 
Melinda F. Schneider
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/14/2007
Contact Melinda
Melinda's Gallery
  LOL! Thanks for your good perspective, Peter!


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 8:34:47 AM

 
Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/11/2005
Contact Ken
Ken's Gallery
  There's probably more truth to that then we'll ever know. The terrier has been doing a bad job over the last few weeks! LOL


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 8:43:14 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
Contact Carolyn
Carolyn 's Gallery
PickYourShots.com
  ROFL.. Great insight there, Peter!! Love it!


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 9:04:41 AM

 
Tammy L. Newcomb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/23/2006
  Pete: I just can't stop laughing and just knowing what were have discussed in the past via our personal e-mails, I am still laughing. You sure have a way with words and you are never at a loss for words.

You are so funny!!!! I will be looking for that big juicy bone photo in your gallery.

ROLF.....

Tammy


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 9:17:00 AM

 
Tammy L. Newcomb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/23/2006
  Sorry, forgot to post my 2 cents in regards to the original post.

I don't delete any of my photographs since I don't care what others think, it's one of my personality flaws..LOL.. If my photo does not fall within one of four album categories and does not have an EP (GOD forbid if BP were to give me a finalist)I put all my work in an album called "RETIRED" photos. This way I can go back and compare my earlier photos to my recent ones and this shows me that I am making some improvement over time.


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 9:23:06 AM

 
Agnes Fegan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/20/2004
Contact Agnes
Agnes's Gallery
emptynestphotography.com
  How much is that doggy in the window!


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 10:47:53 AM

 
Jessica Jenney
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/2/2005
  I read Peter's comment a while ago and I'm still LMAO!!!!!


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 1:55:05 PM

 
Usman M. Bajwa
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/11/2006
Contact Usman
Usman's Gallery
  A very interesting write-up, Peter. I had a good laugh too. And it seems Ken is right, someone is not looking after the poor doggy and he is in a very bad mood lately.!!


To love this comment, log in above
2/20/2009 11:46:24 PM

 
Peter W. Marks
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/5/2006
  Thank each of you very much. You are all so very kind. I have been blessed with eleven wonderful years since having surgery for colon cancer in '97 and '98 and have made it a personal mission to make at least two strangers smile each day! Looks as if I succeeded with you my friends.
If anything, I enjoy writing even more than photography. I love words and language. Oh, Really? I hear you say!
If I spent as much effort composing a photographic image as I do crafting a paragraph then my images would perhaps come closer to the wonderfully creative and executed work you folk share on BP. My slow old dial-up permiting, I shall try to visit each of your galleries and seek visual inspiration.
And now, a personal plea- I would so appreciate it if with your landscapes and places you would include in the title or description enough information that I can Google it. For instance if you share an image of an old grist mill, tell us the name and state and then I can do a virtual exploration and stimulate my aging brain with history, geography and know a little more about my adopted country and life a hundred years ago.
Have a blessed day friends. Pete


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2009 5:28:04 AM

 
Kathryn (Love) Scheet
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/8/2004
  Made me smile today Peter :)

I seldom delete an image that was overlooked, I either just mark it to not display - or move it back in the gallery pages.

I find it really does pay to resubmit an over looked "older" image


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2009 9:13:36 AM

 
Peter W. Marks
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/5/2006
 

Thank you Kathryn. To quote Leo Busscaglia.
"Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around.
Pete


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2009 3:11:50 PM

 
Gina Cormier
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/4/2008
Contact Gina
Gina's Gallery
  G....all along I thought the dog did all the judging!! Woof Woof!!


To love this comment, log in above
3/8/2009 10:33:23 AM

 
Peter W. Marks
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/5/2006
  Thanks Gina! With spring finally here and the wind beneath our tails we are all in a good mood! ( OMG Where do I get this stuff!)
Pete


To love this comment, log in above
3/8/2009 11:51:28 AM

 
A P
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2008
  You're just so funny Peter and I always love reading your posts!!


To love this comment, log in above
3/8/2009 11:58:01 AM

 
Peter W. Marks
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/5/2006
  Thank you very much Ann. I do have my serious moments though. I can still remember 56 years ago in the Odeon cinema in my then home town. I had my first date with Shirley and up there in the steeply tiered balcony seats I made my somewhat hesitant "big move". No sooner had I gone through the pretend yawn and arm stretch so that it would fall casually around her shoulder when I felt my ear being being none-too gently pinched. It was my big sister in the seat behind, and her un-necessarily loud "Behave or I shall tell Mum" reduced me to a nervous wreck and Shirley spotting a friend in another row made some excuse to join her, never to return. Serious? You bet. It was years before my angst ridden body could pucker up in a cinema again. Well nearly a year and then Judith soothed my pain.
"What was the film?" Oh like that really matters, but if you must, it was Bob Hope in "Casanova's Big Night"!


To love this comment, log in above
3/8/2009 1:23:00 PM

 
Barb  Rathbun   okay, I'm obviously a rookie here but can someone explain the process of getting pictures chosen for editors pics. Do they have to be entered in a contest.

Thanks for any advice here!


To love this comment, log in above
3/13/2009 8:37:37 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
Contact Carolyn
Carolyn 's Gallery
PickYourShots.com
  They are just the photos that get through the first round in the contest, Barb..so yes, they have to be entered. If no EFP, you've not advanced to the second round.


To love this comment, log in above
3/13/2009 9:50:38 AM

 
Barb  Rathbun   Thanks, Carolyn. So how do you get your photo chosen as a photo of the day?


To love this comment, log in above
3/14/2009 5:28:00 PM

 
A P
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2008
  Pray really hard and someday, yes maybe someday the God's that be will answer those prayers.

**If that's true.....we'll see Phantom on St. Patrick's day. LOLOLOL


To love this comment, log in above
3/14/2009 5:44:00 PM

 
Lynne Morris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2005
  What a great thread with so many interesting comments but Peter you come out tops, thanks for making my day and starting it off with a hearty giggle!


To love this comment, log in above
3/15/2009 12:47:30 AM

 
Tiia Vissak
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/1/2007
  Photos of the Day are also chosen from Editors' Picks. Some of such photos later become Finalists or Winners, but not all (at least the one I got last year did not).


To love this comment, log in above
3/15/2009 1:44:06 AM

 
Ronald F. Fischer
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/9/2005
  I agree with Ken's comment. Frankly, I am disappointed when any of my pics don't get selected for an EP (and there are a lot in that category LOL)! That said, I only delete pictures when space becomes available.

When deleting photos from my gallery, do I consider whether the photo has been awarded an EP? I would be less than honest if I were to say I don't. That said, it is only one of a number of factors I consider. The most important factor is whether I like the photo, and whether other members liked the photo. It would truly be a shame to remove an image from one's gallery that had a lot of comments, but no EP, simply because it didn't have an EP. I consider member comments on my posted photos to be far more important than whether the photo is awarded an EP.

You have raised a good issue, and there has been good discussion in this thread, Vicki. It should give all of us something to think about before we hit that delete button on our photos!


To love this comment, log in above
3/17/2009 1:56:56 PM

 
Patti Coblentz
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/6/2008
patricia-coblentz-photography.com
  Each to his own! Cheers, Peter, et al!
Patti


To love this comment, log in above
3/22/2009 6:46:32 PM

 
Log in to respond or ask your own question.