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Philippe Vieux-Jeanton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/6/2007
 

Too much D.D.


Why, for the last month, the first prize category N&L and Animals are pure composition D.D. and so, what the deal, exactly, with the category D.D and Photoshop?


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9/11/2008 9:59:04 AM

 
Tiia Vissak
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/1/2007
  It also seems to me that it's possible to win with a flower in Flowers, Details & Macro, Elements of Design and in Digital Darkroom... maybe we don't need categories at all?


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9/11/2008 10:32:40 AM

 
Leslie J. Morris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/30/2007
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  I have wondered about this as well. When I do a lot of photoshop, I agonize over whether to enter DD or the subject category. Anything that is composited I enter in DD.


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9/12/2008 11:54:23 AM

 
Colleen Farrell
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/13/2004
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  These are good questions. I also worry about whether to put something in DD or a "regular" category. Sometimes the lines do seem blurred.

But I think the significant words in the guidelines are when the "primary value" of the image is a DD effect, then it should go in DD. So if it's a "melted" flower, it should go in DD, as the melting is the primary value. And while many would think a composite "should" go in DD, I don't think BP is that strict about it, as the added sky (or moon) or whatever doesn't always change the primary value of the image. Only when it's clearly a collage--when the composite *effect* is central to the image--would it be absolutely required that it be DD.

And yes, there are also plenty of subjects (people, flowers, objects) that can go in several categories, depending on how they're shot (composed) and what you do with them in post-processing. To me, that's not a problem.


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9/12/2008 1:14:42 PM

 
Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
  If it was me who did that picture, I would posted in DD.


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9/12/2008 2:41:31 PM

 
Connie J. Bagot
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/6/2005
  The photos were beautiful. And they won.


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9/12/2008 2:48:13 PM

 
Philippe Vieux-Jeanton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/6/2007
  Thanks for the answers. Connie, There is No Doubt About it, and this was not the question.


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9/12/2008 3:01:23 PM

 
Connie J. Bagot
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/6/2005
  I apologize. I didn't realize how snippy that sounded. I guess what I was trying to say is that there is no deal with DD and Photoshop. There is nowhere to draw the line. Photos shot raw have to be processed...then can be enhanced. How do you list all the things that can't be done to a photo for it to qualify in a given category? And, unless people tell you what they did, how do you expect the judges to enforce those rules for 25,000 images that are only 480x720 pixels in size? Some sites try to do this and end up squabbling more than appreciating the photos. It may seem unfair that some people have such great darkroom skills and programs. But it may also seem unfair that some people enter the contest with a $10,000 camera and lens set up while others are forced to compete with a $200 point and shoot. We can't require all entrants to use the same camera and lens. There is just no way to really level the playing field. So for me the bottom line is.....is it beautiful? And maybe, is there any way that I can make something like that with my camera, lens, and skill set?


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9/12/2008 4:33:51 PM

 
Philippe Vieux-Jeanton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/6/2007
  "Only when it's clearly a collage--when the composite *effect* is central to the image--would it be absolutely required that it be DD." Said Colleen.
Agree with her, or Tiia is right..


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9/12/2008 6:01:50 PM

 
Marianne Fortin
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/23/2006
  From the Contest FAQs.

BEGIN QUOTE:
Q: I see digitally manipulated photos in the contest - is this okay?

A: Yes, understanding that many image are optimized in a program like Adobe Photoshop, we allow digital manipulated photos in other categories. Images have been enhanced and/or completely changed in the darkroom, long before Photoshop was developed. The only difference is that, with Photoshop, image enhancement is much more accessible. We recommend learning Photoshop or a similar digital image-editing program to be able to make your images look their best. As mentioned, manipulated images can be entered into any category. The "Digital Darkroom" category is for photos where the main "value" or meaning of the photo is the digital manipulation itself.
END QUOTE

From "Photo Contest Categories":

QUOTE:
Digital Darkroom
This category is appropriate for digital art - images created or drastically altered in software like Adobe Photoshop. Although digitally manipulated images are also allowed in the above categories, this is a category exclusively showcasing such art. If the digital darkroom work is the main attraction of the photo, or plays a big part, enter it here.
END QUOTE

QUOTE:
What We Do Not Take Into Account.
As long as the subject matter fits, the following kinds of images can be categorized in any of the above categories - we do not separate the contest entries based on the following criteria:

Digitally manipulated images
Black and white images
Humorous photos vs. "serious" photos
Photos by professionals
Photos by amateurs
Photos taken with a digital camera
Photos taken with a 35mm SLR
Note on Digital Manipulation
Although digitally manipulated entries are allowed, we ask that you note the digital techniques used to create the picture in the description of your photo. The judges do not discriminate against digital images but do appreciate when the contestant openly shares that such digital editing has occurred.
END QUOTE


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9/13/2008 10:44:43 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Quotes end, but the saga continues.


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9/13/2008 11:32:01 AM

 
Marianne Fortin
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/23/2006
  QUOTE:
Quotes end, but the saga continues.
END QUOTE

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9/13/2008 11:43:30 AM

 
Philippe Vieux-Jeanton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/6/2007
  LOL!! Thanks!!! This is crystal clear. BTW, I love BP like is it. (@Gregory: Glad to discover your work!)


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9/13/2008 1:45:03 PM

 
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