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Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
 

Misunderstood MT


Did we misunderstood the MT?

I just saw a picture that got EFP and there is just one person in it, and other with two flowers

I'm not saying that those pictures are bad, in fact very good ones. But I have seen others -pretty good too- and they haven't got EFP. Im not complaining for mine, but that really make me think Did we misunderstood the MT?


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3/18/2008 12:43:20 PM

 
Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
  what??

I'm really confused.


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3/18/2008 1:11:19 PM

 
Corinne M. Thompson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/31/2005
  Elida, I believe the "monthly theme" can be interpreted in many different ways by each individual photographer.
Without seeing the images you refer to, I can only guess that the one with 2 flowers was trying to represent a "sisterhood of flowers". My own entry into the monthly theme has absolutely nothing to do with people. Again, it's up to one's own interpretation. Hope this helps!


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3/18/2008 1:17:15 PM

 
Corinne M. Thompson
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Here's my entry. If you read my description under the photo, you will see what I was trying to show.


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3/18/2008 1:19:39 PM

 
Corinne M. Thompson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/31/2005
  Here's my entry. If you read my description under the photo, you will see what I was trying to show.

www.betterphoto.com/gallery/big.asp?photoID=5811729


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3/18/2008 1:23:13 PM

 
Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
  Here is one thaTt I think is good for monthly theme http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.asp?photoID=4404712&catID=560&contestCatID=10&rowNumber=756&camID=

And the one I was talking about
http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.asp?photoID=5792669&catID=


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3/18/2008 1:31:00 PM

 
Corinne M. Thompson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/31/2005
  They are both wonderful images. The one with the 2 sisters is self explanatory. The other, you could contact the photographer and ask what they were trying to convey.


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3/18/2008 1:35:44 PM

 
Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
  OK. I analyzed some EFP from MT and I think I got it. Thanks Corinne, I'm sure your ladybugs have a great chance.
Good luck and Happy shooting!!!


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3/18/2008 1:38:32 PM

 
Michael Skelton  . 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/16/2006
  Gregory , Sometimes I think you are just a pain in the bread basket and then there are times you just kill me. If they gave out green buttons for humor you would get Grand Prize for that one . Best of Light !!!!


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3/18/2008 1:38:49 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Hey Gregory, I just spewed lemonade all over my computer screen/keyboard. You are way too funny!


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3/18/2008 4:24:06 PM

 
Pat Gamwell
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/14/2005
  Elida...I agree with you: Although the pic is extremely well done, I am unable to comprehend the meaning of sisterhood for it. Corinne is also correct...we all interpret our work differently. I guess the only way to get the answer is to contact the owner. This is not the 1st time I have questioned an entry's validity into a particular category. Some have even gone on to win a Finalist/Gold, which really amazes me! In a case like that, I believe they are judged for quality and not category.


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3/18/2008 5:45:34 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Looking at the photos referenced, and being new to this whole photography business, are the bracelets supposed to represent sisterhood?

I get the ladybug pinwheel (cute, btw), and some tree and flower shots I've seen, but this one is stumping me a bit.
Just curious so I can hopefully open my mind up a bit to the art.


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3/18/2008 5:56:24 PM

 
Pat Gamwell
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/14/2005
  The thought just struck me that perhaps in other countries, the bracelets have the meaning of sisterhood. Sometimes we forget to think beyond American customs and forget that other countries also have their unique customs. What do you think?


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3/18/2008 6:03:43 PM

 
Ken Smith
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  It's quite possible it was put in the wrong cateogry by mistake...I think we can all relate.. And, it's just an EP...the judges may take a harder look prior to finalists to determine how it matches with the category. But I agree with Pat...sisterhood could mean something entirely different, for different people. For now, I say it's a great shot...deserving of an EP!


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3/18/2008 6:11:51 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Also quite possible it's about the universalness of women, adornment, how culture defines fashion and fashion defines culture.
Sisterhood isn't just about a sister. It's also about commonality of women and anything feminine.


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3/18/2008 7:19:58 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Wow, now this is why I love this website. It's about going that one step deeper to create or define a story or person. I'm getting it - and you're right - the photo is a great shot. Hopefully one of these days I'll be able to create something so thought-provoking!


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3/18/2008 8:21:22 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Ahhh, but I'm not worrying. I'm actually elated! I think it is fun though to see who is getting them and to look at their work and maybe learn a thing or 2. I have only been trying to learn the real art of photography since this past October - as opposed to just quick snapshots on vacation or of my kids. For me, the EFP just means I was able to have 1 person (or several) understand what I was trying to achieve. If I don't get one, then I am taking a hard look at my photos (and there are a lot I've been looking at! LOL) and trying to see what I missed and could've done better to convey my idea, emotion or just beauty of what was in front of the lens. Considering some of the outstanding and insightful shots that are submittted on this website, I have a VERY long road ahead of me in the learning curve. But, in essence, for me the EFP is not an "award", as it might be to others, it is just saying that someone understood what I was trying to convey. Does that make sense or am I rambling?


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3/19/2008 4:00:27 AM

 
Ken Smith
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  Christie, you have the right attitude...but I caution you on the photos that don't get an EP. Many great photos don't get an EP the first time...BP goes thru them very fast cause there's just so many. That's why people resubmit and often, the same photos go on to win finalist and even higher. True...you should strive to get better...but don't automatically assume that a non EP photo is a bad photo.


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3/19/2008 4:06:24 AM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Ken, until I was reading the "other" thread regarding EP's/judging and whatnot, I didn't realize how many entries there really are. I figured there were only a couple thousand (only!, ha!). Now realizing that they are getting 1,000 or more/day is just astounding. Of course, some wonderful shots do get passed up - but to be honest, the ones of mine that have gotten passed up - well, let's just say the judges made the correct decision! I definitely could've done a better job. I think learning to take my time and think things through prior to pressing the shutter is my biggest obstacle right now. I'm trying to adopt the moto of "better to have 1 great photo than 100 ok (or worse)shots".


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3/19/2008 4:24:33 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  I've been edited.
Not worrying about EFP's meant you have to be bold enough to experiment or try to bring ideas to life and risk the possibility of being the only one standing there who gets it or likes it.


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3/19/2008 3:39:08 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Think I'll go back to my gorilla icon.


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3/19/2008 3:45:07 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Love the gorilla! Monopoly was hilarious as well!

My problem is finding the ideas to bring to life. Obviously I'm not afraid of risk with some of the junk I've submitted that I thought was good at the time. Considering the lack of response on those photos - I was definitely the only one standing there who got it or liked it. LOL! Now the hard part is figuring out how to get a great idea (like the photos this thread has discussed), but more so is even how to make it come to life. I guess that just comes from studying other photographers work?


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3/19/2008 7:22:37 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  Monolopy came from that deleted thread about the judges and what I said to that guy that started it.
I wasn't really saying that you were afraid. Whoever deleted it from here may have thought I was another one saying that the judges won't get it and I was repeating it to say that you have to free yourself even if they don't.
And in the case of that photo, it happens that somebody did.
Study for influence, or learning, but too much can cause replication and stagnation. That picture of the the woman(I'm assuming it was, it would be a little dissapointing if it wasn't) may have come from shopping for bracelets.


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3/19/2008 9:48:42 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  edited,wow.geeez gregory.


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3/19/2008 11:27:37 PM

 
Tressie Davis
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/4/2006
  Big brother was watching after all? I must have missed the catalyst post.

I LOVE the image of the woman with the bracelets - incredibly beautiful and thought provoking.


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3/20/2008 2:00:45 AM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  Having followed the "other" thread - I more than got the monopoly photo! I think whoever edited you, just missed the full context of what you were saying - no harm, considering what they were dealing with on the other one.

I have found that some of my "ideas" for shots have already been someone else's idea they've already brought to fruition. Being very new to this - is it ever really ok to remake the wheel - so to speak? Or does everyone just roll their eyes and say "Oh, geez! Another one of those! It was done best by thus-and-so!"?


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3/20/2008 5:41:15 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  There's a saying that everything has already been photographed.
Since photography has been around for so long, can you really do something that in the literal sense, hasn't been done? Not really.
You don't have to remake the wheel. What you need is to not look at a wheel and only think about skateboards.
If you've thought of photographing the field of red candies with the one yellow one. Go ahead and do it. Following through with ideas can lead to others. Besides being like practice for setting up shots.
Sometimes you don't necessarily have to do something completely knew, just not something completely cliched.
Like something else besides the senior portrait looking out from behind the tree. Or the woman in a bathing suit, hips to the left, face to the left, right thumb in the waistband.


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3/20/2008 3:53:16 PM

 
Todd Bennett
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/8/2004
  Greg, very good insight there.


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3/20/2008 5:05:02 PM

 
Christie R. Bielss
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2007
  The light has turned on! Something's getting through this thick log for a noggin'!

The senior portrait and swimsuit pose really make sense. If I'm sick of seeing it - then, most likely, everyone else is too....unless I think I can add something to it to make it take on a whole different look, feeling or mood. So with the senior portrait - would it be better if the kid played golf, you shot them on the golf course, or shot a swim team member in front of the diving board? For the swimsuit - would it be more interesting if the model was playing beach volleyball? Is this breaking out of the mold - or am I still stuck in it?


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3/20/2008 5:06:33 PM

 
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