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Necee R. Eddie
 

How do I


 
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Camera Model Canon EOS 30D
Shooting Date/Time 1/5/2008 4:02:59 PM
Shooting Mode Auto
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/60
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 400
Lens EF28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Focal Length 56.0 mm
Image Size 1696x2544
Image Quality Fine
Flash On
Flash Type Built-In Flash
Flash Exposure Compensation 0
Red-eye Reduction Off
Shutter curtain sync 1st-curtain sync
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode AI Focus AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
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Necee R. Eddie

 
  without flash
without flash
File Name IMG_7411.JPG
Camera Model Canon EOS 30D
Shooting Date/Time 1/5/2008 3:57:52 PM
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/30
Av( Aperture Value ) 3.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1250
Lens EF28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Focal Length 35.0 mm
Image Size 1696x2544
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode One-Shot AF
Picture Style Standard
Sharpness 3
Contrast 0
Saturation 0
Color tone 0
Color Space sRGB
Noise Reduction Off
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Necee R. Eddie

 
 
Hello all. I ran across this site the other day and am loving it. So I registered. I need a bit of help. I am an amateur photographer and have just purchased a set of continuous lights. I have 2 stands, 2 lights, 2 white umbrellas and also the small backlight (short tripod light). Here is a bit of info so you can answer my question I hope. I set up today at our church to start taking our pictorial directory photos. I took some practice shots of a friend of mine. Problem is I get this shadow behind her. Now I have my lights set at (going as the clock set up I have read about) 5, camera at 6, another umbrella light at 8/9 and then the backlight right behind pointing at her. She is a good 3 to 4 feet away from the muslin. I used my Canon 30D on auto with flash and liked it but got the shadow. If I used it on Portrait the photo doesn't seem as nice. And yes the yellowish light on the top of her head is the overhead lights in the ceiling at church. HELP. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance....


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January 05, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Necee,
First turn off your on camera strobe. Your continuous lights are not the same color as the strobe (flash) and the camera is and the camera is making most of the exposure with the strobe. This causes the shadow. If your continuous lights are an incandescent light source (bulb) set you camera color preset to tungsten (the bulb picture) if fluorescent set the preset to fluorescent. Do not mix types of light, you will not get good color. Your placement of lights is workable, but you umbrellas are likely small, which is not a soft as a bigger umbrella. I would raise your umbrellas to about 2 feet above head height. The umbrellas would be better with a black back, white umbrellas cause a lot of bounce light.
Thanks, John Siskin


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January 05, 2008

 

Necee R. Eddie
  Thanks John!
I can't believe I didn't even think of the light setting and being different. I have adjusted to flourescent setting and I will adjust the umbrellas height.

The umbrellas are small..not super small though. I will have to save up for the blackbacked ones. These white ones came with the light kit I got on ebay from Steve Kaesar I believe is his name.
Now I did get these huge honkin flourescent spiral lights...85W with the kit...I also picked up the 30W spirals I used in this set up. When I put the larger 85w bulbs on the stand and try to put the umbrellas in the slot the bulb touches the umbrella handle. I wouldn't think that was good to do. Suggestions? Would the larger bulbs be better light wise? Or should I stick with the 30w's?

I am full of questions. I thank you for answering. Necee


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January 05, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Nicee,
Unfortunately fluorescent sources do not keep a consistent color output. They vary over the 60 cycle change of AC current. You should try to use a shutter speed of either 1/30 or 1/15 to even this out. I prefer strobes or incandescent sources for accurate color. But this will probably work for your circumstances. The tubes that came with the kit will probably give better color. You might want to experiment with ways to use them with the umbrellas. Since fluorescent tubes are not a large source of heat the contact between the handle and the tube may not be important.
Thanks, John Siskin


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January 05, 2008

 

Necee R. Eddie
  Thanks again John!
You have taught me more in these couple posts than I could ever understand in the manual. I am more a trial and error learn by doing type of person. LOL Shutter speed always confused me on how to set it correctly.
I will try the set up tomorrow sticking with the small bulbs. I will try the larger ones too to see the difference.
Still learning and trying to improve.... Thanks again! Necee


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January 06, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Nicee,
It is hard to learn lighting by trial and error. Takes a long time and you make a lot of errors. For instance fluorescent bulbs don’t have a continuous spectrum, so you are likely to have trouble with some colors. The people who sell the equipment are not always reliable.
Thanks, John


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January 06, 2008

 

Necee R. Eddie
  John,
Well today was my first full morning of directory photo taking. You are so right about the flourescent bulbs. WOW! Ok I swapped out the small 30W's for the 85W that came with the kits. I made the umbrellas work with no problem at all. AFter adjusting my settings on my camera it went pretty well. I did notice htis reddish cast on some peoples heads. The culprit...a recessed light in the ceiling directly over the spot I am taking photos. So next session it will be unscrewed. lol Other than that the photos color looks way better.
Now I turned the lights off in between (1 hour time lag) and had to adjust settings for the first photo but al was fine. The only color issue I seemed to have was this one ladies shirt was a deep purple. In the photo it looks burgandy almost. I showed it to her on the screen and she said it was fine..its a burgandy shirt she says. So since she was fine...and all other coloring looked good...we left it alone.

Now do you have a suggestion on a continuos bulb (brand watt etc) that maybe I should use instead? I don't think I am quite ready for strobes yet.

Thanks again for your help. Necee


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January 06, 2008

 

John H. Siskin
  Hi Nicee,
I am glad it went well. One thing that you noticed about continuous lights: you need to be careful of other light sources. Quartz bulbs have better color than fluorescent tubes, but they are MUCH HOTTER. You might be able to replace them in your fixtures, I don’t know. Quartz bulbs are usually used in fixtures designed for the heat. I do not know of a better Fluorescent light source, but one may exist.
Thanks, John


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January 07, 2008

 

Necee R. Eddie
 
 
 
Thanks John.
For now, until I am able, I will continue with my flourescents. I have the light set by Square Perfect SP2500 that I purchased as a set of 2 on ebay. From reading and searching I don't believe I could use quartz lights in these sockets. That's ok....this is a great learning experience for me.
I am learning both by doing and by reading others experiences and knowledge.
Thanks bunches! Necee


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January 08, 2008

 

Necee R. Eddie
 
 
  Father In law
Father In law
Camera Model Canon EOS 30D
Shooting Date/Time 1/6/2008 9:43:55 AM
Shooting Mode Program AE
Tv( Shutter Speed ) 1/50
Av( Aperture Value ) 4.5
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 1600
Lens EF28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Focal Length 30.0 mm
Image Quality Normal
Flash Off
potrait mode


Necee R. Eddie

 
 
John, here is one of the photos I took...the first ones. It is of my father in law. I found that his face was very 'whited' out on the left side. I realized the blinds were full open on that side, refection from the fresh snow was coming in and just messing it all up. Once I closed the shades some it helped lots. I had even moved the lights back and shifted positions. You can also see some of the 'reddish cast' on his head.
His photo was the only one I had real 'blinding' light issues with. And his photo was the 5th one I took that day. Everyone else had the blinds full open before him and weren't so whited out. So was it the snow refelction or maybe the way he was sitting? Maybe his coloring..he is aweful pale. suggestions? I am all for constructive critiqueing.
Thanks Necee


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