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Sangeeth SG
 

why my pictures are NOT selected ??


can somebody tell me why my pictures are NOT selected in contest by the judges? am I performing very badly?


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7/12/2007 8:26:51 AM

 
Todd Bennett
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/8/2004
  Sangeeth,

I would suggest that you go through and study the pictures that are winners and then compare them to yours. If you really want to know what the judges think of them you might try paying to have a few of them critiqued.


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7/12/2007 12:23:35 PM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  There are probably lots of answers to your question - Todd's suggestion is a good one.

But, the major issue isn't whether you think your entry is good - rather, it's whether the judges think it's good.

I've advocated in many, many threads that submitters need to more ruthlessly critique their own images before they submit an entry. Most are very ordinary.

Just look at anyone's gallery - too many of us post too many [and quite mediocre] images.

The ability to submit one image each day to the contest adds to the judge's quandary - how to narrow down the field from 20,000+ entries?

Just take two or three steps back, re-read the guidelines for entries, eliminate the images you really know are marginal from your pool of possible entries. Wait a few days, do another assessment - throw out more marginal entries. Do this until you really think you've got something terrific.

Enter it and hope. And, remember, there are only 20,000 other hopefuls joining you.

Nikon's ad used to say, "We take the best pictures in the world, YOURS!" Now [not sure if it's Nikon's slogan] the line reads, "You can take take pictures like a pro." WRONG. This line should read, "You can use the same camera a pro use!" Merely using a Nikon DSLR, or that of any manufacturer is ABSOLUTELY no guarantee you'll take a winner.

So, just keep trying.


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7/12/2007 2:41:30 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  Well some of your photos fell short on some things. 'Hidden' is washed out. The light house needs more than just the house and the sky. Plus it's a little blurred
The ring is a good idea, falls short in it's execution because the definition of the word kiss dosen't add to it like it should. Kiss is covered by shadow, and the text of the definition isn't displayed properly to draw your attention to them.
The colors on the cd is so over done.
Maybe 'tea time' will get you something. It depends on which photos you enter.


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7/12/2007 3:19:59 PM

 
Ron Sloan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/1/2005
  It's very difficult question.I looked at your gallery and saw several,which I thought were certainly potential winners,BUT I am not the judge of this site.....I am however A JUDGE of work which I like and I do like some of your work! Bottom line,if you're happy with the shot,that's really what matters most.I have submitted numerous images on here and yes,was lucky enough to have won,but even if I hadn't,I was still happy with the comments from fellow viewers.


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7/13/2007 10:19:55 AM

 
John P. Sandstedt
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  Ron, regarding: "I have submitted numerous images on here . . ."

Did you submit one image a day or did you do some critical assessment of a submitted image. Your answer is critical . . . because, while you're correct that the maker must like his image, s/he isn't the judge.

And then, of course, the BP Judges won't ell us their real criteria.


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7/13/2007 10:37:24 AM

 
Ron Sloan
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  I don't submit photos everyday,although sometimes I shoot an area in which I feel I have several excellent shots that I can submit.But,I do look at each image(sometimes I shoot maybe 1000 shots) and try to narrow it down to a dozen or so.Of those I try to look at each and see what qualities one has over the other.(Rule of third's,cloud formations,contrast,etc.)then submit it (them).I do primarily landscape photography,so it's sometimes easy to throw out the bad ones and easier to quantify the "keepers". Happy Shooting!
Ron


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7/13/2007 6:41:46 PM

 
Sangeeth SG   you know I am reaching towards 30 photo mark (free). I cant pay and get a premium gallery. so I badly need to win :(

thank you
sangeeth


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7/13/2007 11:57:20 PM

 
Todd Bennett
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/8/2004
  Sangeeth,

I think you have the wrong attitude towards this entire thing. You sound so desperate to win. If you are out there shooting just to get one photo to submit and win a contest you are probably not focusing on the things it takes to make a winning photo. I stand by my original suggestion. Study the winners!

I took a look at your gallery and as stated before, you have some possibilities; but, in my humble opinion, they lack the pop that the winners have. They look more like snapshots. In your photo of the lighthouse the lighthouse is leaning to the right. The light is too harsh in the orchids. Watching the sunset is okay; but, it's plain.

I don't mean to sound harsh; but, you did ask. I think if you work more on trying to make good photos rather than trying to make photos just to win a contest, the winning will come. Have fun shooting and don't get caught up in the hype of the contest.


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7/14/2007 4:25:06 AM

 
Sangeeth SG   Dear Todd Bennett
Do not misunderstand me. what I meant was I want to post more pictures and get feedback so that I can improve.But there is a limit of 30 pictures. after that I cant post :(
thats my concern.

I liked the critiques like yours. I have to correct my mistakes and learn from mistakes.

thank you
sangeeth


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7/14/2007 6:11:16 AM

 
Ron Sloan
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  Sangeeth,
If you go in to "edit your photos" and check the box next to the pics you want to deleat and then go to the bottom of the page and select submit, it will allow you to post more shots. Granted, you will lose the ones from being viewed that you currently have displayed, however it will allow to to add more and still remain free.I do it all the time.I keep the ones I like and drop the others to remain at or just below the 30 mark.I will probably buy a premium subscription,but in the mean time that's a way to do it.


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7/14/2007 9:48:26 AM

 
Colleen Farrell
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  Ron's suggestion is a good one--that's the way to go for now.

But consider this, Sangeeth, photography isn't the cheapest hobby in the world ... and I'm guessing that if you have a Nikon D70, and photo editing software, you might be able to afford $22 for a year to get a premium gallery.

I am poor and felt like you for a long time, then finally decided I could afford $22 for the premium gallery. It's really worth it! :D

Everyone has given good suggestions for improving your photography. I just glanced at your most recent photos and I think "In My Garden" is good enough to at least get a finalist in the contest.

John S. wrote:
"Nikon's ad used to say, "We take the best pictures in the world, YOURS!" Now [not sure if it's Nikon's slogan] the line reads, "You can take take pictures like a pro." WRONG. This line should read, "You can use the same camera a pro uses!"

LOL Thanks for the laugh, John! Definitely more accurate, although I don't know if it would sell a lot of cameras. ;)


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7/14/2007 10:06:39 AM

 
Carol A. Roux
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2006
  Sangeeth
I have been amember since Dec, 06, and only started to enter picture since May 07. I haven't won either but I found several of my photos picked for the Editor's First Picks. Look here and see some that though they don't win they caught someones eye enough to show case. To me I feel greaat about this as it shows I haven;t lost my touch. Good luck, and watch EFP page and get a better idea of what catches the eye of the editors and also focus on what area you want to really explore.and expand into other fields.

Carol


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7/14/2007 11:05:00 AM

 
Carol A. Roux
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2006
  Sangeeth
I just saw your picture "my garden" on the Eaditor's First Picks page today 7/14/07. Go there you may have to search a while but keep at it, it is worth seeing someone likes your picture.
Carol


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7/14/2007 11:48:57 AM

 
KV Day
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/25/2005
  One thing, just a suggestion, very few images with borders make it to finalist. Not sure why. For this contest, leave the borders off. I think your images are good. I would, however, submit one daily if you can to raise your chances. It's a crap shoot as far as what wins. Keep trying!


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7/14/2007 5:53:30 PM

 
Sangeeth SG   To Colleen Farrell : Nikon I used was my frnds :) I am having only canon powershot a610 !!

To Vicki Day: I used to put borders. now I avoid after seeing betterphoto trend :)

To Carol A. Roux : wow...that is a good news. thank you. I couldnt find out where it is. how to find out whether our pictures are there in editors picks?
is there any tag or something?

thank you
sangeeth


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7/15/2007 3:16:02 AM

 
Ron Sloan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/1/2005
  Sangeeth,
The only way to find a pic in "Editors First Pics" is to keep hitting the refresh button until you find it.There are no tags and all the pics are in random order,so Congrats and happy hunting.


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7/15/2007 4:20:16 AM

 
Sangeeth SG   :) hehehe very funny...
i will try my luck in hunting :)))


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7/15/2007 6:47:59 AM

 
Donna La Mattino Pagakis
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  There are so many great photographers on this site, just keep trying. It took me 6 months but I didn't give up. The best part is meeting great people with the same interests as me. Also, learning from others!! When I started out here there was no such thing as a free gallery.

Anyway, good luck!!

Donna


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7/19/2007 8:25:52 PM

 
Robert Baer
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  sangeeth
I just paid a visit to your gallery. I love your use of strong color and you have a very artistic eye in setting up your compositions. Just keep shooting for yourself and if it wins then wonderful. Don't get discouraged as the above people tell you there are sooooo many images for the judges to choose from. Keep shooting and you will do just fine.


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7/20/2007 5:29:40 AM

 
Marianne Fortin
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/23/2006
  I'm sure you have noticed that many of your photos now have "Editor's Picks" badges. I think that means that they made it through the first round of judging.

So don't get despondent - it means you are on the right track!


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7/20/2007 7:23:49 AM

 
Ryan DesJardins   Sangeeth, the bottom line is, photography takes time to learn, and while I see some strong images in your gallery, I also see out of focus photographs and compositions that need improvement. I've had many photographs I felt were strong that were never picked by the judges, and some I thought were "okay" that were finalists. I have the free gallery and rotate them out often unless they are a finalist or a winner.

I think you should focus less on winning and more on the art. Rotate your images through your gallery, solicit feedback, and someday you may win.


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7/20/2007 8:05:54 AM

 
Marianne Fortin
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/23/2006
  John, I don't think it is a "consipracy"!

The consensus in another thread is that the "Editor's Picks" are the first round picks in the contest. The badges have appeared on all first round picks from the past few months.


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7/20/2007 8:23:56 AM

 
Sangeeth SG   yes the editors picks badge is an encouraging thing for all :)


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7/25/2007 5:41:21 AM

 
Nadya Johnson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/19/2004
  I visited your gallery Sangeeth, and you have some very nice work. Someone on the site agrees, since you've earned several editor's picks! My advice is, don't put ALL your focus on the contest, per se. As with any art, you must follow your own vision. I have published many photos in magazines; I have sold my prints for years, yet I have never won the contest. I do have MANY Editors Picks. It does seem strange in a way... I can only assume that as with anything, one person's taste does not reflect the taste of the next. Regardless of criteria, ALL judgment is subjective to some extent! It's the same with publishing. One editor will buy a story (and/or photo) while the next will not. I think all the advice here is very valuable: go on shooting, go on learning, go on entering. But seek a level where you are confident individually, with your work. In the end, you really are the one who should be pleased with it and in a sense we all compete mostly with "ourselves!" Improvement is always the goal.

I think it's good to keep in mind that many artists we revere were not "successful" in their time according to the critics. Van Gogh, for instance, never sold a painting in his life. The value of any art springs from within, not according to the views of others: keep striving for your best, go on learning from the photos on the site, and you will see your work improving over time. One of the best things about the photo site, is that in studying the work, your Eye will improve over time.

As for your gallery, you can go to My Photos and delete photos or mark them Undisplayed; that way, you'll be adding room for more. Most of all, don't get discouraged! You have already had some badges (e-picks). In time, you'll probably get some finalists and then a winner, if you keep on striving for improvement in your work.


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7/25/2007 8:26:58 AM

 
Kai Eiselein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/21/2003
  Sangeeth,

Keep shooting and shooting and shooting.
Look at what other people have done and decide what you like and don't like about their photos.
Look at the winners and analyze what makes them strong images.
This is not an easy contest, it has taken me 3 1/2 years to get a finalist and I shoot photos for a living.


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7/25/2007 8:42:00 AM

 
Sangeeth SG   i think everybody liked this"Editors" picks" award :)


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7/31/2007 1:55:01 AM

 
Nancyj E. Hovey
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  The answer lies in the fact that now, in 5/2009 there are no longer 20,000 images, today there are less than 1,000 and it is the middle of the month. The contests have become the professional quality photo haven for competition...

to pay to have them critiqued drops many out of the game with the economy they way it is... in my opinion, this BP site is now becoming a Pro's site, and those who can pay for lessons to become a pro or who are on their way.

However, many of us stay on being inspired by many who are in the running... and have become our wonderful BP FAMILY!

BP is home for me, a safe site, but unfortunately I no longer, among many, feel in the running....

but it doesn't stop me from trying at my level and show my work... I hope it lasts that we can... we have fun here, besides knowing that the now high quality contest site is going to inspire us even more to keep trying.
It will be ashame if it becomes only open to those who can produce the high professional quality photos to please the judges for high cost tag to their professional photos. The competition has now become top quality as the site name is: BETTERphoto !!

Editor's Picks for most of us that can not afford the high cost professional editing programs that make or break a photo.... are our 2nd winners... our 1st place winners are the accomplishments in our hearts that we are doing better than our best on our own level, not that of a curve judgement. SO, hope we all keep trying, knowing we can't be the winners, instead of thinking we can when we see the EFP under our photo...

Hugs to my BP Friends and Family...
thank you BP for offering this opportunity ....

only suggestion I have, is that there be the professional level contest, and the non professional 'ordinary' (term used above) catagories for the contest!!!


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5/14/2009 5:00:33 AM

 
Gina Cormier
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  Since most of us on here are NOT professionals and still learning, I would not tell someone that their images need work unless I knew them. Frankly, if someone I didn't know well told me that my image wasn't good, I would be insulted.I would also email them and tell them I didn't ask for their opinion. I do ask people I trust to tell me what I need to change etc.

Art is subjective. I do what I like. If they like it fine, if not, then whatever. I have to please myself first.


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5/16/2009 6:54:49 AM

 
Colleen Farrell
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  NancyJ, I think you might have misread the numbers. There are over 10,000 entries to this month's contest, not 1,000+. By the end of the month, there will probably be more than 20,000.

I don't know if this is a professional level contest--I mean, the standards are high, but I've had some wins and I don't consider myself anywhere near professional level.

One thing is for sure, though--participating in the contest the past 2 1/2 years has improved my photography tremendously. By studying what wins, I've learned a great deal about good photography. So, classes are great, but you can learn a lot just from the site.

You don't need a professional editing program either; Tiia Vissak has made wonderful images using Gimp, which I think is a freeware or shareware program. You don't need a fancy camera, either. Kara Hendricks and Jessica Jenney, both have "point 'n shoot" cameras, I think, and they consistently win with gorgeous images.

Bottom line: a fancy camera or software can't improve a lousy photo. But if you can take a great photo using an interesting subject, solid design, composition, proper exposure, etc., you can win. :)

One other thing I always remind people of--those Editor's Picks can be winners. Several of my wins "only" received EFPs the first time around. So keep trying, resubmit your favorites, and keep having fun! :D


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5/16/2009 2:28:41 PM

 
Tiia Vissak
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/1/2007
  Gimp is freeware (you can get it from www.gimp.org) and, in principle, it's possible to get an interesting abstract from a very lousy photo (or even just a white square) with it: it has lots of cool effects. You can also get some legal freeware from http://www.vicman.net

----
If you feel that some of your images don't get appreciated enough on this site, then submit them to some other contests... maybe they can win there, but it may also be possible that, at the same time, some of your EFPs or Finalists here won't win there: tastes are very different.


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5/16/2009 2:47:01 PM

 
Nancyj E. Hovey
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  Thank you to everyone who is responding to my entry on this thread. I really appreciate hearing the different opinions, and am trying very much to learn more and take better photos! I think the support of BP Members is a huge plus, thanks again...and I will look into your suggestions. 8o)


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5/16/2009 3:15:02 PM

 
Jessica Jenney
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  Thanks so much, Colleen! :-D


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5/16/2009 3:17:30 PM

 
Nancyj E. Hovey
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  My apologies: I misread the number of entries...you are very correct. Silly me... now I KNOW I am too tired...and need a vacation...lol... at least I can laugh...

ALSO: currently my gallery is under construction, and not ALL of those photos posted on my gallery are contest entries...some are from threads for explanations and questions and Fun!!!

thank you again, all... time will tell with all of us and BP... don't get me wrong, I love BP!

8o) nancyj


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5/16/2009 3:31:33 PM

 
Laura E. Swan
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  I personally appreciate what Nadya said above dated July 25th 2007...About Van Gogh never selling one painting in his entire life.

My specialty is CURVES in DDR and I make some wild things that my BP friends and family seem to really "Dig" but the Judges never let me get past EFP's...

An Older Generation fellow BP'er told me that the WORLD ISNT READY YET FOR MY TYPE OF ART! HA! I bet Van Gigh heard that, too!!!

Sadly the Judges haven't tagged any of my whimsical DDR work lately, yet, I feel the quality of them is getting even better!!! (???!!!)

They seem to only tag my Canadian Rockies Images! (HA!)

I love CURVES and making fun colorful wild images and unless you guys are just being way too kind to me, you like them too...So why can't I win?

I guess the bttom line is this:

1) I love my work. It's FUN!
2) Your opinion is good enough for me because at least I know that a small PART of the world likes my creativeness.
3) I am once step ahead of Van Gogh in that event! HA!

COOL! Thanks for the friendship and family feeling I have found here at BP...I'm proud to stand beside ANY of you.

BTW Nancyj, your work is amazing. I agree with what others have said. Its not the amera. It's not the DDR. It's what our minds can DO with the camera and DDR that show through.

To me, YOU -ARE- A PRO.

Looks at the famous pianists...Some never took a lesson and one was even deaf! :) Yet ...


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5/16/2009 5:25:35 PM

 
Gina Cormier
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  Again....do what YOU like!!! If I am doing this for other people then who's going to be happy? Not me.

Just love what you do!

Frankly, I'm having a blast!!


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5/20/2009 11:02:24 AM

 
Nancyj E. Hovey
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  Here is something from another site on the subject of photography that makes us think:
http://wwwshuttertime.ning.com/profiles/blogs/no-judgement

Have a great day, out of the box, taking photos... 8o) I love it!
I love BP
and I love all the talented people on BP who I am making friends with...one big happy family...



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5/20/2009 11:12:03 AM

 
Ray Thoms
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/26/2005
  I have to agree with Nadya and Laura.....the chances of winning anything here are.......well you can get hit by lighting sooner and quicker.
I have no hope of winning anything and yet I feel I am doing the best work I have done since joining, I am happy with the friends that I have made and continue in that vein.....
I have asked for guidance from the powers to be but nothing in response...of course I get the party rah-rah and that perhaps I might pay to recieve tips and help.....sorry but that will not happen.

SO in closing I am very happy with the friends I have made...you are important in my life and for BP...well I will continue to post with full knowledge I will never win....not important any more!


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5/20/2009 8:10:34 PM

 
Laura E. Swan
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  YOU "GO" Ray-Ray! Which way to STARBUCKS? I'll see you there!!! Ha!

:) Big smile here!


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5/20/2009 11:16:12 PM

 
Mary L. Graham
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/29/2004
  I think you should ask yourself why am I here! If its to win you might as well pack it in! Because its not about winning Its about learning and Making some good friends in the bargain. If you happen to win Cool...if not that's cool too! I think its a waste of time worrying about wining! There's a lot of very talented photographers on here that have never won. =)


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5/21/2009 7:38:43 AM

 
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