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Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
 

Oh boy, I am joining the Dark Side


Not so much a question and not a vs. thread here. Just a little story of my recent endeavors and hopes to spark some conversation from both sides of the "force."

I always have been a Nikon user. From high school when I started to now with digital. I have a D100 and D200 DSLR.

This weekend has got me thinking and I am going to make the switch to Canon.

I personally think that they have more of what I want and less of what I don't.

I always shoot for fun but my business is mostly for weddings.
I am eying up getting 3 Canons. The new EOS 1D Mark III, the EOS 30D and the EOS Rebel XTi (to serve as a backup).

Why I am switching:
- I am a fan of the CMOS sensors in Canon's. Nikon's D2Xs is the only one with that so far.
- I like the 8+ megapixels. I dont need much more if any for those wedding shots so that means less downloading images to my computer and faster workflow and faster moving of files. They have the 16.7mpix in case I want the pixels for something. With Nikon it's 6 10 or 12...
- I noticed they have a "truer" LCD screen. More WYSIWYG! My Nikon's always have me thinking or second guessing myself that the shot is properly exposed. I learned how to fix that right after!
- I like being able to toss almost any memory card and be able to write to a backup card at the same time. Great for the assurance that you won't lose shots due to a faulty memory card. Especially when shooting weddings!
- They support High Capacity (32gb) memory cards.
- Their software works on Macs (or in general) I still can't get Capture Control on my Mac and for it to recognize my D200. Has Nikon ever heard of "software updates"
- Canon seems to always be on top of their game. They have inventory, they have what photographers want, they respond and innovate and stay current. Nikon seems to always have back orders (maybe to their high demand, maybe to low production). I still can't get a 8A battery pack for my Nikon SB-800's. And don't get me started on the Wireless Transmitter for my D200!
- I am at the point where my equipment is about halfway switched to going all out pro. MY bodies are still not the highest and I still am migrating my glass over to faster lenses and away from third party manufacturers. So it is a good time to take the plunge when I am not all 100% into one brand. It is now or never.
- Canon has the new 3" LED,s new internal software for better image processing, more continuous fps, higher ISOs, less noise at higher ISOs (can even get to ISO 6400; not like it is needed)
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Wow after all that, I actually do have a question for everyone...

For those who made the switch from A to B or B to A... How did you like it. Was it worth your while, is the grass greener on the "other side?"
I am doing this no matter what, I just want to know your thoughts and your stories...

Thanks for reading my late night ranting.


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4/14/2007 11:09:06 PM

 
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Hey Michael, I don't know how much cash you have , but 2 camera's would be enough, but if you need 3 then be it. You could get 2-5D's and a 20D for backup. Or you could get a MarkIII and 2 20D's. Here is some info that might make you feel better about your change. Joe B., is one of the most respected wedding photographers at this time. He had been shooting nikon almost all of his career up until last year.


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4/14/2007 11:55:12 PM

 
Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
  Wow, I had no idea that Buissink made the switch haha.

You are correct, that does make me feel better about my decision.

As far as the lifecycle of my equipment goes, I am planning the switch for sometime around May when the MK III comes out.

Canon has a lot of great cameras and I am, like you said, sure that I could just go with 2 bodies.

However, a lot of my capital will come from selling my Nikon equipment. But I am using my stuff all the time for the business so I cannot be without a camera
at any time. See my predicament?

So in the meantime, I will just keep doing my research to determine the second body.

It was going to be a D30 for me now, a Rebel XTi for my co-worker (and fiance) and then the Mark III when it comes out and my fiance would get the D30 while we put the Rebel into backup....

It is the long term way to go that I saw things for the funds available.

Thanks for your post...


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4/15/2007 8:26:32 AM

 
Irene Troy
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/27/2004
  I made the switch from Minolta to Canon and wish I had done so much earlier in the game. I own the 5D and am playing with the idea of getting the Mark III. Now, I've read and been told by several working pros that once you to full-frame [the 5D and Mark II are full frame] you will not be happy with the Rebel, 20D or 30D. I have no experience with any of these cameras, so have no real opinion, but would love to know from others what they think. I need to get a backup and the cost of the 5D and Mark III is steep -worth it, but steep. Thanks

Oh Yeah - one other thing: B&H has a program where you can purchase your equipment and postpone payment for up to six months - if you have good credit. This can be a real life saver sometimes. There is no interest for those six months provided you pay in full by the six month deadline.


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4/15/2007 1:24:20 PM

 
Sharon  Day
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  Why not switch to Fuji? I've read it's an awesome wedding camera.

I have known several people switch from Nikon to Canon even after purchasing some of Nikon's better lenses. I know one guy that dumped the Nikon for a Canon 5D and later told me he wished he had waited for the Nikon D200. He had issues with the Canon 5D overexposing for some reason.

I'm a little fed up myself with the constant lack of availability of Nikon gear. I waited weeks for B&H to get the Nikon SC-29 TTL off shoe camera cord in. I got a flash bracket for Christmas and noticed B&H finally has it in stock. Last week it was still out of stock. Guess I can finally order that little piece of equipment.

Interesting thread. I hope we hear from a few members that have actually made the switch.


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4/15/2007 2:43:13 PM

 
W.   
Conscious switchers are usually like born again christians: zealots. That's an indication of their 'happiness' with their decision, isn't it?
How that develops in the long term is less auspicious.


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4/15/2007 6:03:14 PM

 
Sharon  Day
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  Obviously anyone switching isn't "happy" with their decision when they purchased the first time around.

I wish I could duplicate all of my equipment with Canon gear just out of curiosity. I've always wanted to lay the Nikon vs Canon debate to rest in my own mind.

Ultimately I am not sure I would switch brands expecting better results. I think both camera brands produce great photos, each with their own peculiarities.


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4/15/2007 6:46:44 PM

 
Raymond H. Kemp
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/2/2004
  You really won't see better results by switching brands. So many people here think the body is what makes the image and it is not. The photographer coupled with high quality glass is what makes the difference. I see this chest beating going on all the time, Canon vs. Nikon and it is just plain silly. Go with what works best for you and your work.

Give me a Canon and I'll shoot just the same as I am with my Nikons. Back in my film days, I ran around with 2 Nikon F bodies around my neck and a Canon. Can't honestly say one is better than the other although I do feel Nikon does make better glass. The staffers of one of the newspapers that I shoot for use Canons. But my work appears right along the side of theirs with my Nikons and not one time was I ever scrutinized for shooting with Nikons.

As far as full frame vs. DX there is a ton of data that rationalizes either one. But from my research there is not enough difference to justify full frame at least for the type of photography that I shoot. If there is one additional thing in addition to the high quality lens that Nikon makes is Nikonís flash system, which is hands down superior to the Canonís.

Good luck on your switch, Iím sure you will enjoy the Canon system!

Ray


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4/15/2007 8:15:26 PM

 
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  Well Micheal,

I have never switched, just started with Canon with a pro who used Canon. If you got the money, get a MarkIII and a 20D ( good for receptions in dark rooms - just make sure you use a prime lenses because of the soft focus problem with cheaper cameras).Then wait a year and get a MarkIIIn or what ever they will call it. Make sure you get the L-series for your zooms.


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4/15/2007 10:52:43 PM

 
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The new MARKIII

salivating yet?


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4/16/2007 1:04:04 AM

 
Debbie Del Tejo
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/30/2005
  I'm from the ol' school that says "if it aint broke, don;t fix it....if I am making money from my weddings with my Nikon, and there are no complains from my clients....then why switch??? I agree with Ray and wish you good luck in your switch and I am sure you will be happy. I have always noticed, quite interestingly enough, that my male photographer friends are always wanting more and more equipment and some have made the switch. I like my profits $$$$ much better and love to use it to see the world and travel instead of getting new equipment. But that is just me!

Best wishes and happy shooting!


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4/16/2007 3:13:29 AM

 
Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
  Thanks for all the posts guys.

I actually feel sick with my Nikon gear right next to me is ready to be shipped in an hour or so...

I definitely "downgraded" as far as the D200 to the EOS 30D goes. However, I used the extra money to invest in better glass.

My fiance and I are in the business together and she pretty much gets my old gear. Money is tight this year because of the wedding but if it wasn't then it would be Mark 2s for both of us without a doubt.

I plan on getting the Mark III when it is released and maybe if the price drops then a 1D(either s or n)Mark II or a full frame 5D.

The 30D will ultimately become the backup camera. Hopefully more sooner than later. The deal was there for one and I took it.

People are right. I will still be able to shoot great stuff with either brand... I am just switching for what is best for the business.
Also, it seems that everyone is shooting Canon's in Buffalo... Maybe it is just me noticing this but... So teaming up with my buddies will be nicer because we could share and swap gear on site.

Some said I should have given Nikon's D2Xs a try and I am sure I would have loved it... I just want to think for the future and see who stays on their game more for pro photographers and stays up to date with keeping the evolution of camera features going. Nikon just falls short in that aspect it seems to me.

They keep 1 pro camera model around until it is pushing obsolescence from crummy companies around them. They are investing their development into prosumer and consumer models. Since the time they released the D2X, they came out with the D40, D40x, D80, D200. Their D2H(s) is a screaming fast camera but its technology is quite "obsolete."
Maybe that is for marketing purposes, maybe it is the "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" approach to them still getting boatloads of money from people all around???

I just need a camera. That is all.
Canon is just a new tool for my trade so I can check out their stuff. I invested a decent chunk of money in camera equipment (the D200 was free for making a website for a camera store and so forth) so I never really dumped a ton of coin on the top of the line of ANY company. Now is the time where I start to migrate my way to the pro bodies and more pro glass with a company who just offers more to the table.

Not knocking Nikon, I would love to keep both but that isn't possible at this time.

I did hear good things about Fujifilm's S5? and how it really captures good flesh tones and so forth. Seems very nice, just not my cup of tea for everything else.

Thanks to all for your replys...


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4/16/2007 7:29:29 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Here's another review on the S5,
I posed others on another thread about D200.
I love the D200 and the Fuji S2 can't be beat for the color, it's just WOW!
and the S5 is has surpassed where the S3 could not.
the step to fuji also really compliments teh Nikon user as it accepts most to all Nikon Assories.

Link:http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/fujifilm/finepix/s5pro/fujis5pro_EN1.html


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4/16/2007 7:58:44 AM

 
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  Joe B. was getting free equipment from Nikon representing them at many tradeshows and workshops. He is shooting all big weddings now and doesn't need any sponsors. On the platform he said that he had a Canon second shooter at one of his weddings. So he tried out his cameras, liked the results and made the switch. He also liked how Canon advanced so quickly with all of their products.


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4/16/2007 9:44:39 AM

 
Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
  Justin, I couldn't agree with Buissink more! Thanks again.

Debby, I am now considering getting a Fuji as another camera for the fiance and I would get to keep those lenses I own!!!
That F mount body is huge for me I can't believe that I never knew that until now!

Thanks for the tip...



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4/16/2007 9:59:30 AM

 
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  You got me! I thought this might be a stir. I heard some good things about the S5 though, so I was curious and checked it out at the expo. Yes, the skin tones were nice, but then you would have to go fix the backround, because the colors were a little to artificial in my eyes. I could get the same results by bumping up my Saturation +1, which I did for a while until one of my clients asked me why I PS'd the sky in thier pictures. I have friends that shoot Nikon and they said the D2X is the bomb, but look at the price. You could get 2-5D's and be done with it. You wouldn't believe how many pros are using this camera. All the women photographers like the weight and the full sensor. I like the tanks, but thats just me. If the MarkIII was full frame I would have had one yesterday. I will wait a year, see if anything better comes out. If not I'll get a MarkIII at a better price.

Happy Camera Hunting


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4/16/2007 10:33:37 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Just my opinion Justin,
But I see the color with the Fuji camera as just richer.
Now most of my work is portrait and I have listed for just this reason the camera I used for each.
The Fuji S2 is a wonderful portrait camera,it just wasn't fast enough for BMX so I bought the D70 then D200 as soon as it hit market.
but the color is really great.
I do have BMX shots taken with the Fuji S2 in gallery, how ever, the guys from BMX magizine made fun of me for it , cause I really had to plan ahead for each shot-I mean PLAN,lol,lol.
the S3 was supposed to correct that ,being a faster processor- it failed.
However word and tests are the S5 is quite a success.
But again, just my opinion, I used to be a Cannon Girl.
You'll get no fight out of which is better.
Micheal just has a lot of Nikon equiptment he won't get full dollar price for at resale,so it's something to think about.
Debby


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4/16/2007 11:18:04 AM

 
Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
  You got it with those Nikon lenses that are sitting around Debby!

I actually heard some talk about a new version of the Canon 5D. I am guessing it will keep the full frame sensor and 12mpix but will have the new DIG!C III stuff that will be on the Mark III.

Anyways, any news from people who made the switch, I got a couple of replys but then it sort of turned into a vs. thread for a bit and you know...

Let's stay on track. Haha. I think I got the camera coming in tomorrow or Wed. with the Quantum QFlash (oh baby!)
so I will let you both know what I think after a day of playing!


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4/16/2007 7:30:07 PM

 
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  I'm not saying that either one is better, but I do hear alot of complaints from Nikon users. The only complaint that I have about Canon is that I have to physically take the pictures when I would much rather be fishing at the lake. In the beginning it was alot of fun, but after a while you burn out. I thought it would never happen to me, but it did. You could move into other areas of photography, but you have to move into other areas of your wallet too.

"If they buy it and like your pictures thats good enough". There are no magic pills, just fair, good and great photographers.


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4/18/2007 3:31:19 PM

 
Michael A. Bielat
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/23/2007
  Justin, I am not too sure I am following you with what you said... You "have to physically take the pictures?"

Anyways, I just got my Canon in yesterday with the QFlash and I am VERY VERY DISSAPOINTED!

The Canon is awesome, I spent 2 hours learning all about it and setting the camera up to my liking and test shooting and all that good stuff to get accustomed (it was a zen like experience, much like my migration from a PC to Mac haha)
Anyways, I think the CMOS sensor is making a lot of difference for me, plus the exposure meter is pretty much dead on, where Nikon typically underexposes by a few... (that should save myself from a couple hours behind the desk adding exposure to mostly all the RAW files, yay!) The only thing I am not feeling is the shutter speed command dial. It is very tight and I would feel much better if I could set the big dial on back to change the shutter speed rather than it doing the aperture...

The QFLASH was where I was disappointed!
Here is a $600 flash and it doesn't even come with a flash shoe mount or an AC connection. Plus you need a $200-400 battery pack just to power it up.
Needless to say, that flash is amazing, when you dump your $1000 into getting it all up and running. I don't have the cash for that so I am going to get the new Canon EX580 II Speedlight that just came out (within a week or so).

I just sold my D100 so I have some extra cash to finish my migration to Canon.

No one else with Nikon to Canon stories?
Remember this is not a VS. thread!


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4/19/2007 7:56:35 AM

 
dennis w. mcclain   my take on it, and remeber what opinions are like. that said, I started with canon. I first had a film rebel. I got it to shoot astrophotography, but it took to long to get the results back. im a guy, and im not very patient. then the first digital rebel came out. im still using it after 4 years. just ordered a rebel xti. not because its better than my old digital rebel, but I needed a back up. the newer xti has some cool fetures, but I will continue to use my old rebel because its a good camera. im sure nikon and other name brands are just as good, and if I started off with one of those im sure that would influence me. canon should give me a discount though, since ive helped sell a few of thier cameras. lol
happy shooting denny


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5/6/2007 2:30:53 PM

 
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  LOL! Danny, all the way to the LOL bank.


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5/6/2007 6:19:53 PM

 
dennis w. mcclain   ok ( laughing at myself) some habits are hard to break


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5/6/2007 6:25:46 PM

 
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