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Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 

STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY #23


STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY #23


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1/24/2007 6:34:25 AM

 
Linda Buchanan   Wow, I'm still reading number 4!! This is such great information. Regarding a posing table, the ones I have seen are the type you lean into. Is that what you use for babies? I also am looking for some posing diagrams, I have been asked to shoot our church directory. It is a small church and they have used Olan Mills in the past, so I am looking for some posing ideas along that line. Thanks everyone!


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1/24/2007 6:53:36 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Linda,
Those diagrames should be in the Family Posing CD.
and No those are more arm posers, I do not know why they call them posing tables.
I may have one to list on Ebay, if so I will let you know, but there should be examples in the Studio Cd.
I will see if I have a Picture on this computer.
and then look at the foam Poser they have at Backdrop Outlet.
also the fantasy cloth, is much cheaper on ebay then through thier store.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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1/24/2007 7:05:05 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
  this is a Pro posing table
this is a Pro posing table
This is the table I used in my Cd on studio equiptment. as a pro table it has so many options and a built in baby poser. A unusual find on ebay for 38.00.
but you have to watch.

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Linda,
Those diagrames should be in the Family Posing CD.
and No those are more arm posers, I do not know why they call them posing tables.
I may have one to list on Ebay, if so I will let you know, but there should be examples in the Studio Cd.
I will see if I have a Picture on this computer.
and then look at the foam Poser they have at Backdrop Outlet.
also the fantasy cloth, is much cheaper on ebay then through thier store.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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1/24/2007 7:10:06 AM

 
Linda Buchanan   Thanks Debby, I will watch for one on Ebay. I would really like to have one, my back would be an issue to with babies on the floor! I have the family CD but I must have scratched it when I opened it, it won't play, my computer says the file is corrupted. I don't think you offered the studio CD at the time I bought those, or I may have passed on it at the time with everything else going on. Anyway, I don't have that one. Thanks for the info, can I buy just the family posing and the studio CDs? I have pets, children and wedding. I think I got a 4 CD set? Thanks for all your help, I am excited to get started again.


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1/24/2007 7:47:16 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I emailed you, I hope you get it.


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1/24/2007 7:52:18 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Ok sorry I have issues w/that posing table. That is what we used at PCA and I don't think they are that great for little bitty babies. I am still looking for a table I like...lol.

Am looking more into simply using the floor and baby posers like the foam one you mentioned here.

I ended up in CO a couple weeks ago for a funeral and was flagged down by a couple of my old regular customers and did a couple of sessions. Felt good even though I didn't have my lights only my camera they didn't care and my friends husband said here use my shop lights if that will make you feel better...rofl. Whatever it worked ok I suppose. Fortunately my friend when she shipped back her lights as they were damaged when she rec' them she kept the umbrellas and that helped keep down the harshness. I am getting more calls for CO than WY so we are considering moving back to the western slope. Carl has an offer for the rigs that will more than pay the bills as well as well as be with in drs. limitations set upon him. My leaving work has been a struggle on finances but we will have made it thru and light is ahead. We are planning to move in about 3wks or so. He got the official ok a couple days ago on the job down there. I have one wedding to come back to wyoming for in March otherwise no calls here. I think there are a few updated photos since Dec in my album here at BP.

Renee


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1/24/2007 12:49:35 PM

 
Shawna Allen
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I have a really big coffee table that I use for little babies that aren't mobile yet. That way they are up off the floor, but not too high. Then I will use folded towels or pillows or one of those baby boppies covered with a sheet to pose them.


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1/24/2007 1:52:34 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Looking great Shawna!
and for another idea for a cheap mobil posing table is to use 1 or 2 grooming tables( if 2 please find a way to clamp them together.)


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1/25/2007 5:52:40 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Hey guys. Just checking in. I will post some photos I took with my new lights (other than of myself) soon.


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1/25/2007 9:53:28 AM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Thanks Debby, for the new thread. I too am still reading past threads. So much info and great ideas.
Deb


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1/25/2007 12:37:07 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Thanks for the new thread Debby!!

I have my first wedding in April and I'm looking forward to it. I haven't been doing alot of other stuff yet, but I'm excited about running my first ad in our local newspaper this weekend. I'm hoping it generates some interest.

Right now my husband and I are enjoying a fantastic getaway in Maui!! We are having such a great time.

I wanted to share some images with all my BP friends, so here is a link to my blog. We have been sharing pics with our family.

http://pbb-blog..com/

Everyone's pics are looking great! Maybe next year I'll be ready for studio lights and I'll catch up with all of you.

Take care,
Brenda


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1/25/2007 11:28:14 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  OK... Y'all went sneaking off without me and started a new thread! Well I never!!!! ;) Hi! Just checking in to keep up. Still here, but not doing much to share these days. I hope everyone is well! :)


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1/26/2007 7:01:05 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Oh! we would never go on with out you, Laura!
Sorry I missed your call, am trying today to give a call.
Sorry I have been so busy , I miss yappin' with you.
Talk to you soon,
Debby


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1/27/2007 8:01:10 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  Hi everyone-
just checking in....
I also have a long coffee table for help in posing babies, but it is REALLY heavy to move around. I really like the lowness, but not the heavyness. I'm kinda afraid to use a "pro table", because of it's height. Just a thought.... :)


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1/29/2007 4:45:09 PM

 
anonymous 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/7/2005
  Girls

With the posing stool. The best thing I found was to purchase an old wooden dining table (get one of ebay or secondhand shop) then get the handy hubby to cut the legs down. Then you have a really big "coffee table". which also isn't very high off the ground. Put the castors on the bottom of it to wheel it around.


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1/29/2007 7:41:15 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
 
 
  Benjamin
Benjamin
He's growing up way too fast. This was my favorite that I took of him that day... also the third one before he started running around like a madman.
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  Austin
Austin
I like this one because he was lying flat on his back when I took it and the lighting is still good! With my old flash bounce method that never would have worked.
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  Valerie
Valerie
Love this new background I got from ebay...
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Here are some photos taken with my new lights of my favorite little models. I thought they came out pretty well. My problem, though, is that my sync cord still isn't working and the flash on the top of my camera has to be pretty close to my lights in order to cause them to fire. Hmm...


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1/29/2007 9:06:32 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Danielle,
you should be able to get a "link" for your sync cords to link two together to make one very long cord at any phototorium.
you should also need only the one going to Main light as fill should fire when Main is triggered.
Laura is still using these today and has only added peanut slaves to hers.
but email her to see exactly witch kind.
I myself have used radio slaves.
always affraid of those cheap ones on Ebay- but John has assured me they work great for him- so those may be some thing to really try.
I hope this helps,
Debby

I beleive Laura uses these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Optical-Slave-Flash-Trigger-with-Sync-Socket-Wireless_W0QQitemZ130072764426QQihZ003QQcategoryZ30086QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Radio Controll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Channel-Radio-Slave-Flash-Trigger-RD604-NEW_W0QQitemZ180079673112QQihZ008QQcategoryZ30086QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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1/31/2007 7:31:51 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi all! Actually, I use one sync cord from the AS-15 on my hotshoe to my main and all my lights flash. SOMETIMES, if I use the backlight and it's not picking up the signal, I do have a small receiver that is plugged into the PC jack of the backlight with a cord, and it runs several feet out and has a suction cup on the back of the receiver. That way it receives the signal from the main when the shutter is tripped. I don't use my on-camera flash or speedlight to trigger my lights... it has never worked consistently for me, and even the cheap radio slave controller I bought was not consistent. It attatched to the hotshoe and the receiver to the main and I was free to move about... BUT if someone or something was at my right, it blocked the signal, and that limited my shots and my movement. I got a lot of pics where the lights never fired and it was distracting and frustrating. When I have the money, I plan to buy a good, reliable (read EXPENSIVE) radio unit, but until then, it's the trusty old sync cord and my AS-15 unit. :)


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1/31/2007 4:56:50 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Thanks Debby and Laura. But my problem is that the sync cord won't work at all. Well I shouldn't say that, exactly. If I take my sync cord, and plug it into my pc adaptor thingy (but don't put the adaptor on my camera), and plug the other end into my main light... then I push the test button... it causes the lights to fire. So I know it's not the sync wire or anything that's the problem. But if I try to put it on the camera, and take a picture, it doesn't trigger the flash to fire. I feel like I must be missing something really obvious...


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1/31/2007 6:06:59 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Yes,This should be as simple as :
It has to be the adaptor.
* is it a AS-15?
It could be a off brand and not made correctly.

* is it tightened down when on the hot shoe of camera?
If not it may have a bad connection.

* and is your camera on M at the correct settings?
Try 200/200/22 for test.

Laura and I have the same camera and lights ( though I have changed mine since) and this is a first I have heard of this type of problem.
this is why the Studio CD was written,
They give nothing as far as instructions when you purchase lights.
Not with Britek,Calumet/Bowns or even Photogenic.
They assume that if you have bought thier product you know how to set them up and operate them.
Also Danielle,
Don't for get that as you have them set up( especially that you want to be mobil) Get some colored tapes(electrical work great) and mark every thing Main- fill and back light in a color of tape that will tell you or any one helping you- what goes where and with what light.
This makes it SOOO simple to set up.
Anyone can do it for you, youcan have a doz. people talking to you, ect. and all you have to think about is " oh red goes with the Main light..."
Works great , I've been saying it for years.
Please let me know what comes of yor tests,
Good luck,
Debby


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2/1/2007 6:05:07 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Danielle, I honestly don't know how the AS-15 WOULD fire if it's not ON the camera... The lights WILL all fire when you push the test button on your main, because they get the signalm that has nothing to do with the sync cord or the AS-15, only with the lights themselves... BUT with your AS-15 not on your camera, it isn't receiving the signal from the camera that the shutter was tripped, thus not sending the signal to the main and firing your lights... The AS-15 cannot be triggered by the Nikon light technology... it HAS to be on the camera itself to work at all.


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2/1/2007 6:28:35 AM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Hi everyone!
I just wanted to share some of the pics I took at my best friends baby shower. I was so happy at how they came out. I've been soooo busy since I'm moving to Charlotte next month and everyone is trying to get in before I leave. I'm gonna miss the people I've met out here doing pics. But I can't wait to get out to the east coast and see what happens out there. Hope everyone is doing well!

http://www.bellatristanophotography.com/Sutter_Baby_Shower/index.html


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2/3/2007 11:25:47 AM

 
Sandra 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/31/2002
  Thanks Debby for the new thread, just checking in to keep up.


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2/3/2007 4:01:03 PM

 
Donna M. Paul
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/10/2005
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  Hey Debby and Everyone else, been awayh and just getting back here....See we all have been busy!!

Got a question. How much does anyone charge if the client wants the photos only on a CD? Do you charge "bundle" or by "each" photo requested for the CD...and I need some some ball park figures, pretty please.

Client will be reviewing pics on Thursday, but has already stated they only want the pics on a CD for uploading to their music website...So I would appreciate any and all responses...THANK YOU!!


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2/21/2007 8:00:50 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning Donna,
Is it just one client or are you going to sell these to all at the event?
When I did that for BMX or Golf,
I lowered the price and would make it up in volume .
usually 50.00 to ...


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2/21/2007 8:20:54 AM

 
Donna M. Paul
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/10/2005
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  Hi Debby, the photos are of a music band (4 members) during a recording session, so no volume but I would get more exposure, they want the photos so that they can upload these photos to their website.

Oh the other part of the question if you bundle the photos for one price...

How many photos would you include in the bundle and the price?

If sold by individual photo how much per photo?

If they want 3 photos (higher price) and the more photos they want lower price per photo? (did you understand what I mean) The more photos they request the lesser the $ charge...

I figured if they want like 2 or 3 I should charge more or else it wouldn't be worth my while, what do you think?

Look forward to all replies...Thanks


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2/21/2007 8:53:02 AM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  Donna,

I charge $100 to put all the pics on CD in color and B&W. But I've noticed that a lot of photographers will offer the CD for around $100 but only AFTER you spend a certain amount on prints.


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2/21/2007 9:29:41 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  I am charging $100 for regular sittings. I considered the whole after so many prints and figured it to be unreasonable because we all know they will take the prints home anyhow scan them in and reprint at home if that is what it takes. With todays technology and those that know how to do so allows it no matter the copyright laws which makes it harder for us to make a living.

We are back in Colorado. Hubby got a great job all insurance for the whole family is paid for after 60 days. Just waiting for internet at home they are backlogged and can't get to us until the first of March. Crazy but at least only a week more to go!! So library it is for now. I am highly considering Verizons wireless option... is anyone here using that? I know Deb you use ATT but looking for those that are using Verizon and how it works for them. We have 2 computers is the thing so gotta figure out how that would work too.

ok off to finish emails before time is up.

renee


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2/22/2007 1:23:03 PM

 
Shannon M. Alicki
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2006
  Hi All,
I'm a stay at home mom/full-time graphic design student and trying to set up a home photography studio for mostly babies children and families.

I've read some of this thread...wow, you've been going a long time! I found that the older the thread the harder to follow. I think it's because people remove photos from thier gallery so they are no longer included with the thread?.

I have viewed alot of your galleries and think that you all are VERY talented. I hope I can come close with my future efforts.

I was wondering if you could view my webpage and let me know what you think of my bad lighting! I have 3 JTL studio strobes. One is 200w and 2 bdrop strobes are 160w. Cheezy, I know but do you think I can make them work?

shannonphotography.smugmug.com

Some pics on my site are old and I think I have been slowly but steadily getting better. I have my 1st maternity shoot tomorrow. Wish me luck! (I'm nervous)

Thanks so much in advance for any help.

Shannon


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2/23/2007 9:18:15 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Shannon,
I think you are doing Great!
In your white(high key) such as "sisters" The background looks wonderful, can we just get a bit more light in the front to get rid of the shadows.
If your main light is at the 3 o'clock position, just move it more toward your camera.
test and if nessisary move it even closer.
If film, keep notes as to where you moved your main for each frame.
Also , From the looks of the portraits, the Main may be to high,
Please remember that the main light should be positioned about a foot above head hieght of your subject then slanted at a 45 degree angle so as the "Hot Spot" is pointed at the chest. When a subject is posed on the floor it is the same, so we lower the lights to get that same position.
Camera Hieght should be at eye level as well ( unless you are looking for that "Lifestyle" type posing,looking Up into the camera)
I do hope this helps.
If you have the STudio Cd positioning should be there.
I don't have those graphs on this computer, I'm sorry.
But maybe able to get to my home computer in a day or so.
Let me know if I can be of any help,
Wishing you the very best,
Debby


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2/24/2007 6:34:57 AM

 
Tracy Besek   Hi there. I just found this forum yesterday, and have been reading the heck out if it.
You all take such beautiful portraits. I enjoyed looking at them all, and got some great ideas.
I also notice a fair share of you have Britek set-ups. I just got mine from SteveKaeser on ebay today. I can't wait to clear out my corner in the basement to practice, practice, practice....my poor kids.

I have a question...I got a 4 light set up (3 D-180's and 1 SD-400), and it came with a octagon umbrella-shaped softbox. I cannot for the life of me figure out how it goes. It cam with a huge bracket clamp, that I am assuming goes on the light fixture. From there I am totally lost. Is there anyone that can explain how this goes on?

Thanks for all your help.


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3/2/2007 5:31:59 PM

 
Tracy Besek   Oh, and I forgot to add that I have a Nikon D70s with the 18-70mm kit lens, and a Tamron 70-300mm lens as well. I have Nikon 50mm f/1.8 on the way from amazon.com. yippee!!


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3/2/2007 6:03:16 PM

 
Tracy Besek   Yeah it's me again. It wasn't the umbrella softbox I needed help with...It's the square one.

I was having a blonde moment I think.


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3/2/2007 6:46:21 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Hi Tracy and Welcome!
I am sorry but I have been traveling and will be on and off through out the Month into next.
If you have net gotten the Softbox together, then please post a picture of the pieces they sent and I can walk you through it- usually they are pretty genaric.

*** Just a note, I have gotten some emails as to the CD sets.
My Ebay is down right now, as a friend trys to revamp it.
but I can still send invoices through Paypal.

I am traveling with a Easter Event I put together and we got the most talented bunnies,lol.
Have a great day!


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3/6/2007 6:16:43 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  Speck doing his thing
Speck doing his thing
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3/6/2007 6:20:23 AM

 
Tracy Besek   Thank you Debby, I did finally get it together. It was a tight fit getting the rods into the clamp, and then stretching the box over them.

If I ever travel with my set, I surely am not going to take that think apart. :-)

and if you could contact me about the CD sets, I would like more info. thanks.
tbesek (at) yahoo


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3/6/2007 8:09:06 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good day Tracy.
Iam glad you succeeded! they are ment to be very taunt, but it does get easier to break them down and put them back together.
In the threads you will see that I recommend theat you assign each light a color and use colored tape to mark each piece to that one light.
This will make it easier to just put it together with out a thought.
I believe there is a discription of each CD under each thumnail in my gallery.
just inlarge the thumb nail.
I do hope this helps,
Debby


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3/6/2007 8:37:09 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Debby - thanks for posting the pics of the real bunny. Is that the event you are traveling with? I'm getting my real bunny, hopefully, tomorrow, and I could use some posing ideas. Do you have any more photos?


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3/6/2007 11:30:13 AM

 
Linda Buchanan   I hope it is ok to jump in here with a question. I am going to be looking at some rental space tomorrow and weighing that against a home studio. What would you consider the smallest space reasonable for a studio? My first choice is the rental space, my second choice is a complete conversion of a standard two car garage. Thanks so much.

BTW, what do y'all do with the rabbits after Easter pics are over? I have always wondered that!


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3/6/2007 1:01:33 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  My particular bunny is coming from their owner... so afterwards they're just going to go back. But this is the first year we've done that (apparently). In the past, they've just had to find a new owner for it.

I don't know much about studio rental space... but a 2 car garage (assuming its heated) seems like a nice size.


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3/6/2007 9:04:45 PM

 
Kristin Morgan   Senior Portraits


Hi, I am a newcomer. I have been following this thread quietly for some time now and enjoy all of your discussions. I was wondering if any of you had started doing high school senior portraits or if you have ever. I was looking for some ideas other than the usual cap and gown. Outside or Studio.
Thanks,
Kristin


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3/7/2007 1:45:47 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hi all! I too have a question for all of you, especially Debby since I know she's done something similar with her pet shots!

I've been asked to provide a proposal to a local school band dept for taking individ. & group shots for a fundraiser. I've done that, I'm just waiting to hear back.

In the event they like my proposal, I have a few concerns, I'm hoping those of you out there with more experience can offer some help.

First, how do you suggest setting up lights, background, posing stool etc? I've never had to create a studio like that and I'm not sure how to go about it.

Second, is there a good way to keep track that Susie paid for Pkg A and keep her order matched up with her images from camera to lab to delivery? I have to create an order form of sorts and thought I would include "instrument" so that I can use that to be sure I'm getting the right pic with the right order.

Third, in making that order form, have any of you had them printed professionally so that they include a self made envelope for payments?

My concern is that there is another firm in town that has done school portraits, sports, etc for YEARS! and I mean YEARS!!! for all the schools in the area. I am not trying to compete against him, I just want to be sure that I give equal quality work so that perhaps I will be asked back next year and/or can take this fundraiser idea to other groups.

This is not what I want to do; however, it will make a decent profit and supplement the income during slow times.

Any thoughts?

Oh... Krisin... my only thought on Senior shots that I had and hope to try with my niece is to get an old trunk or suitcase, fill it with some of her personal things from her school year and have her sort of "reminsce" by looking at the things in the trunk and maybe hold something in her hands? Wasnt' sure if it would be too corny, but it was a thought.


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3/12/2007 8:02:44 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Hey all!!
Good Morning Karen,
Here is the last thread and all links to previous are on the top of each.
I hope this helps,
Debby

BTW, Brenda, I am so glad to here things are moving rapidly forward for you and your studio.
Wishing you the Very Best!


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3/19/2007 6:21:39 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hey all! Just checking in to say HI! I have to go back and read posts, but wanted to let you know I'm still here.

Mornin' Deb! Did you get the pics I sent you??? :)


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3/19/2007 6:25:55 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
  posing table
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For those who had asked for posing tables, I am listing two for someone.
One today and one tommorrow, but I don't know how much they wieght so for now thye are pick up or arrange your own shipping.
I hope this may help,
Debby


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3/19/2007 9:10:53 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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using posing table


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3/19/2007 9:12:52 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
This is the other table they wanted me to list.
it is on ebay as well.
sorry for the awful pics. no room to drag it inside and needed to do a quicky list.


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3/20/2007 8:28:38 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  moving the thread for Christy.


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3/21/2007 9:06:29 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  LOL where is the thread being moved to??

Busy here we have a new baby pup. Her name is Paige. She is 2 days old this afternoon. Delivered via emergency csection only to discover mama also has cancer in her bladder. We will proceed on where we will go with this after baby is weaned.

Otherwise just working forward on getting business going in a new area. Not an easy task but pushing forward.

renee


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3/29/2007 12:10:50 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I was wondering...

For those of you who have started up your own studio while working for another studio... do you let your customers know? I mean, I am trying to start my own little business but it's really hard to do because my availability, thanks to working full time for Olan Mills, is really horrible. But can I tell people that's why I'm not available? Is it bad business practice to let them know that my business is still quite small? I'm just curious what all of you did about it.


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3/31/2007 8:36:58 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Damielle,
The good thing about working for a company while starting your own is the Pay Check and experiance.
This supplies security while you gather the equiptment you need.
Once you get all your equiptment and are ready to move on, trust me there will be those time you will miss the Pay Check.
But since you are working for them and they are paying you, it would not be Right to take from thier client base.
and these are mostlikely not the clients you want either.
they are offer/coupon based clients.
In my Many Years in and Out of this company, I have taken No clientsfrom them, even though some have asked.
it always turns out they think they'll get a EVEN better deal??????!!!!
6.95????? HOW!!
I know you must understand.
remember it is easier to give a deal and a price brake then to raise your prices later.
So,My suggestion,start with clients you train, in an inviorment they will respect.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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3/31/2007 8:58:23 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Debby,

I think you misunderstood. I would never steal a customer from Olan Mills. I hardly even ever mention that I occassionally do pictures on the side when I'm at work. I'm talking about the customers I get through my own business... and whether or not I should tell them that I also work for Olan Mills full time.


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3/31/2007 9:09:56 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Basicly reverse the responce then Danielle,
I know you have had to experiance the BAd clientel habits in these type of Studios.
They Want a deal! or better yet Free.
They rush thier photographers and are less then understanding when you try to give them something nice and it take what seems to them to be .." to long"
They have little to no respect for appointment times.
This is different then what you want for your clients.
So No Way, I would never mix the two.
I would cosider maybe cutting a day from your scheduale.
if Mon and Tues are getting booked and you have built your cliential so as you could fill another day, then maybe talk to your boss and drop a day from you scheduale, and hopefully you can drop them till your on your own.
Debby


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3/31/2007 9:23:26 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  So are you saying that you wouldn't recommend even telling my personal customers that I also work for Olan Mills?

I'm nowhere near needing another day off. That would be nice. But it's also good because my district is nowhere near being able to give me another day off. We are so strapped for photographers its pathetic. At the moment we have no subs because they're all filling in for photographers that quit or were fired. Oh well.

Thanks for your help. What do the rest of you think?


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3/31/2007 9:32:18 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I really wouldn't Danielle,
I believe you want a clientel and a business enviorment that earns you the moeny your deserve for the art you produce, and the respect for your time and talent.
This is quite different then Om these days.
It wasn't always that way, when they had thier free standing studios, People came for the art of portraiture, not a picture deal at
K Mart.
But these types of companies are still a great place to get experiance.
Debby


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3/31/2007 9:42:05 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Wanted to post this Seller, she has some great Props:

http://stores.ebay.com/Fairy-Tales-Unlimited
Debby


Oh Danielle,
if you get the chance email me and I'll send you some coupons I made for Busnesses, maybe it will help build your clientel as well.


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4/2/2007 9:21:36 PM

 
Shawna Allen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/18/2006
  What happened to everyone? Did y'all move the thread and not tell me?


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5/31/2007 7:02:31 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I'm still here. :)


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5/31/2007 7:14:20 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Still around, but in Orlando,Fl right now.
And just so busy!!
will check back,
Debby


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5/31/2007 9:23:07 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  I'm still here too. busy with family life, not photography. :( I did recently have a newborn session. I did pics of the baby & baby & big sis for the announcements. Mom's supposed to get back to me with an order this weekend. I did my first wedding, they just picked up their album last night and seemed pleased with it. They took my package with a cd of all the images so that made it a bit easier. Hope everyone else is doing well. We've had a family vacation in between to California's Coachella Music Festival (AWESOME!). So we've been busy. Take care all!


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6/1/2007 4:29:26 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Still here just really pushing for business to take off. been donating time to the shelters, have a wedding in 2 weeks and possibly 3 more there shortly after, working on a big school contract for Sept and if that goes thru that is the best I can hope for right now. I don't really want to get into school portraits, but they are beyond sick of the complaints with LifeTouch and the only thing being waited on is to see when the contract is up with them. If it is then my friend and I have it. She got the deal started but asked me to help but ya know for one month of work that is entailed the money will be of great help.

We lost our old dog after 13 years to bladder cancer 3 wks ago come Monday. She has been here thru it all with our family since prior to the kids being born. She was my wedding gift to my husband so it has been hard.

10% of my monthly sales now go to the National Canine Cancer Foundation to help raise awareness. She had all the same symptoms for 2 years and every time we walked away with she is an old dog with severe arthritis in good health for her age. She unexpectedly ended up pregnant in Jan. I know I know we never had her spayed due to health issues 8years ago when we took her in but she stopped cycling so thought we were safe...well for the first time in a few years she decided to cycle then I adopted the first male dog in years (fortunately of the same breeding pretty much) and he wasn't scheduled to be altered until Feb...she cycled in Jan and now we have a beautiful girl named Paige to carry on her moms legacy so to speak. Granted so far she is nearly 10wks old and shows no real signs of being her mothers daughter yet...lol. But because of her and a m/c pup that left behind an empty sac that blocked the birth canal Pris had an emergency csection and that is when the cancer was finally discovered. she had all the same symptoms for 2 years only kept getting worse. So we see Paige as not only a miracle pup, but a serious blessing taht was meant to be.

So not that you really wanted to know all that but I am just so in love with our little girl and grateful to have her as I miss her mother something terrible. I find myself crying for no apparent reason then thinking of Pris so assume the tears are for her. Right now has caught me in one of those moments so sorry for the babbling.

have a great day. I thought the thread was moved too if that makes anyone feel any better.

Debby what are you doing in FL? sounds fun.

Renee


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6/1/2007 11:17:07 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I'm here, too. Nothing huge going on these days. Startup in my new location is S-L-O-W. I am re-vamping business. Changing some policies and raised my prices. I think a lot of the folks around here are going to the higher-end photogs in the area, so I'm gearing up to target that market, and my prices were sadly low before, anyway. There are SO many new subdivisions with TONS of people moving in from all over the country, so it's somewhat of an un-tapped market I think. We'll see, I may be mistaken. BUT, my new studio space is under construction with new track system for my lights (brilliant hubby of mine!) and new laminate floors going in, new storage and sound system... we're ramping up for business! YAY! FINALLY! I'm getting excited about starting up again!!

Glad to see everyone around! Looks like we've all just been busy with life. :)


HI DEBBY!


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6/1/2007 11:59:30 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
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  Jill & Patrick in R2 Love
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Hey Laura, I will be callin' you, it was just such a big trip to prepare for.
Renee, My family and I were in Orlando to visit my Daughter and Son n law and see Disney World.
It was a wirl wind trip, we barly stoped! 4 parks 1 each day then we did it again. Finishing with the opening of Star Wars Week at MGM.
I am exahusted!
will talk to you soon,
Debby


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6/4/2007 8:18:08 AM

 
Mary A. Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/8/2005
  Wow what great threads, just wanted to say Hi and I started reading from your first thread I might get to the end of this and caught up in the next month LOL. I think you guys all seem great.
Mary


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7/10/2007 9:04:54 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  All of us here are glad you can join us Mary, an dare proud to say, these threads we have all built have helped alot of members start and be successful in thier New Studios.
We hope you get what you need as well.
There is everything here from start up to running a bussiness, so many great ideas!
I hope they help,
Debby


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7/10/2007 9:29:16 AM

 
Mary A. Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/8/2005
 
 
  Fairy Test
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Here is a shot I took without any of the lighting using only 580speedlight ex and some track lighting that was in the room.


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7/10/2007 12:24:59 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Mary,
This is great, I can't wait to see what you do now that you have yoru lights working with your camera!
Have a blast!,
Debby


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7/12/2007 6:18:13 AM

 
Sisterlisa B
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/21/2007
  Great threads, thank you so much. Although I prefer to do my photos outdoors, in the winter it's just not possible. I really appreciate all the members who post these tips and help like this. We're having a home built and I'm going to ask my husband to have a small studio built in our back yard!


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7/12/2007 8:07:37 AM

 
Brenda  D. 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/27/2005
  chiming in so I can be a part of of these great posts too, and I have a question, does any one use a reflective plactic material besides mirror or plexiglass, to do shots that look like water reflections, if so what is it called, how big is it, and where can I get some? I have finally ordered studio lights and Im so excited( see me doing my happy dance?) I know with Debby's help and every one here with all your knowledge I am on the right track to taking some studio shots hopefully as good as all of yours! thanks to all of you in advance. Brenda


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7/12/2007 9:13:55 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Hey Brenda,
I hope you got my email with my number.
Just feel free to call, I am traveling and training 3 photographers,so time is short except when in car.
Will be glad to help by phone though.
Thanks, Debby


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7/12/2007 10:05:25 PM

 
Brenda  D. 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/27/2005
  Hi Debby, yes I got your email, I also emailed you mine, plus since you are so busy and my lights havent came yet I bid on your CDs on EBay, a set of 4 plus the free studio one, cross your fingers for me that I win it!!Brenda


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7/12/2007 10:13:24 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Ok Brenda,
I will take the time for you when you get the lights or before.
If I am not in a stopping place, I'll just tell ya and we'll arrange a time.
Don't worry if not there is always a BP member price.
Thanks,
Debby


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7/12/2007 10:20:22 PM

 
Brenda  D. 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/27/2005
  thanks, I do appreciate your time, it will be easier for me if we wait, if hes not mailing them out till thurs it will be sometime next week before I get them but I will email you to let you know. please email me to let me know how to get in on the good deal for BP members. thanks Brenda


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7/12/2007 11:07:09 PM

 
Mary A. Harris
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Ok Deb, here is my first tries! What you guys think? Any advise!


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7/12/2007 11:36:08 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Mary,
If you can write a discription of what you did in each shot, here are a feww things to try.
those shots are Main on full/fill on 1/2 right?
use her at full face for your tests first, then add head tilts ect.
This is so you get used to seeing how light lays on the face.
Then just move your lights around to see how it moves.
So post #1 with main full 3:00/ fill 1/2 7:00
# 2) main on 1/2 3:00/ fill on full 7:00
# 3) Main on 1/2 @4:00 / fill full @ 8:00
See what gives you the color you like best. watch your subjects face as you make these moves, this helps to learn how to get different effects.
I have held on to your CDs I want to send you some speical info on lighting, should go out today.

Now after you find where you are satisfied.
Turn off your fill.
Take you main light, and move it closer to your subject then further away, watching as to when you see the rose and golds in her skin get to thier best.
then move it in a arch around, watching how this one light, falls and adds and then decreases the shadows on her face.
These are just great excersises in lighting.
I hope your having a great time!
Debby
(you have my number)


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7/13/2007 6:21:55 AM

 
Mary A. Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/8/2005
  Thanks, I'll go home and try it tonight! And yes I'm having a great time. Will post them soon!


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7/13/2007 11:36:06 AM

 
Mary A. Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/8/2005
 
 
 
Well here is some picture I tried like Debbie had mentioned, I had to resort to using my dog. I think my kids are burned out on me LOL.


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7/15/2007 5:12:10 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Is this the last thread? Or did you start a new one? I was going to ask about what you all thought of my lighting in some photos. My first time using lights!!!! Anyone still here???


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2/7/2008 7:30:08 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Well I don't really frequent the site anymore but apparently I'm still subscribed to this thread so... ask away! I'll answer! :)


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2/7/2008 7:51:37 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
 
 
 
My husband bought be a lighting kit for my birthday. I am using 2 500 watt continous lights with silver umbrellas. Well, since I knew my kids would not sit still for me to play with them, I had my husband. I wanted some advice on these photos I took of him. He just seems so orange. I did play with my white balance, but this was the best I got. No photoshop to this, just resized for web. Advice on lighting set up?? What do you think???


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2/7/2008 8:08:39 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  What were your settings on these?

I think the orange is probably a color cast from his shirt. Tell him to change shirts and then try again. Not that you shouldn't learn to avoid the problem... I just want to be sure that it IS the problem.

They both look a little bit underexposed to me. The first more than the second. Also the first is a little fuzzy if you look closely. It looks like you were shooting on a really wide aperture. I'm not sure you wanted critique on that, though. :)

I can't tell you how to change your settings since I don't know what they are. But next time you try it out... take several shots on several settings and see which one you like best. I'm pretty good at getting it right quickly at this point, but I still start every session taking a few test shots since things like ambient light can effect my typical settings.

I typically shoot on 1/200 f9... somewhere around there.

Good job for your first try! Take some more and post them. :)


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2/7/2008 9:23:46 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Danielle,

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me!! You are so kind. I should have known better to include my camera settings.

Lighting 1 photo: ISO 200, 1/250, 1.6

Lighting 2 photo: ISO 200, 1/200, 1.6

I did have a chandalier behind me hanging from the celing, so maybe that could also be playing a part in my problem too??

You can critique me all you want!! That is the only way I can learn :)

I will try to get some more photos up this weekend. Probably won't be till Saturday night. And I am going to try those settings!!!

Thanks so much!!

Amber


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2/8/2008 6:05:25 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hey, Danielle & Amber! WOW... it's been a while since we've posted here! Congrats on your lights, Amber. Your settings seem a little "off" to me. You're going to run into some DOF issues with it opened up that wide. Lowering your shutter speed did help some on the exposure, but you might want to try to lower some more. What camera are you using again? I may have missed that info. On an adult sitting still, you shouldn't need it up at 1/250, for little ones, that's another story. I shoot at 1/250 all the time on them. But I have strobes, which have 1000w each, so that will make a HUGE difference. For the 500w continuious lights (that's where I started out) consider a couple of things...

Add reflectors to get more light to bounce onto your subject. I don't think 2 500w continuous lights are going to be enough. You should not HAVE to shoot wide open at 1.6 - that tells me there is just not enough light.

Also, are your bulbs studio bulbs? Your pics seem a bit orangy to me, which tells me they might be regular incandescents. DEFINITELY turn off the chandelier... it will throw off your settings and your white balance and give you this orangy/pink cast. When I started out with "garage clip on lights" I tried every bulb I could, except the proper portrait bulbs and struggled with color A LOT.

I hope that helps a little!!! :)


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2/8/2008 6:18:57 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Hey Danielle, how have you been?
I would love to know how things are going,drop me a note sometime!

Amber,
Please let us know what type of lights you are working with.
Tungsten light gives off a orange look.
I am sorry, I did not look at the camera your using, but some have a white balance or Tungsten setting to help with that.
If you read part one , you'll see that this type of lighting is just more challanging then strobe.


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2/8/2008 6:27:49 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Oh, sure, ignore me, Deb... ;) (just giving you a hard time!) Call or write when you have a minute!


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2/8/2008 6:31:36 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
 
 
 
They are definitely a bit on the orange side. I am still using continuous lighting as well so am curious what bulbs you are using. I chose continuous because I do mostly pet photography and find they seem to be less intimidated. I use 5500K bulbs they are full spectrum regular bulbs from any local store will just not do. Only 2 but could sometimes use a 3rd. I am investing in a 3 light contin. set up next month. I have considered going to strobes but just haven't done so yet.

Also what kind of umbrella are you using. If you are using a gold which I am known to do with pets for a warmer feel I find if the lighting is off it will cause that orangy look as well.

Good luck.


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2/8/2008 7:12:45 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  They are definitely orangey. I am using continuous lighting as well. What bulbs are you using? And type of umbrellas?

I use 5500K bulbs and at this time only a 2 light set up....many times could use a 3rd. These are full spectrum anything you can purchase in the store is not going to do. I use white umbrellas but wonder sometimes if silver would work better. I do also have gold reflecting umbrellas because I deal a lot with pet portraits and have found it gives a warmer tone for them but if my camera settings are off it gives off a dark or orangis tone.

Just some thoughts there good luck.


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2/8/2008 7:19:47 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  For the orangey tones, if you can't control the light temperature, you could also change your WB to Tungsten or if, like the Nikon D200, your Auto WB has a +/- setting, cool it down by going to +1 or +2.


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2/8/2008 7:25:29 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  And just like that the thread is alive again!!

I'm not overly familiar with the differences between continuous and strobe because I've always had strobe. But if you need your settings that wide open then I agree with Laura that there just isn't enough light there.

Things have been going well, Debby! I left Olan Mills back in August to start my own business and things have actually gone much better than I would have imagined. It is pretty slow at the moment but I was expecting that and am doing all that I can so that it doesn't happen again next year. :)


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2/8/2008 8:23:22 AM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Ladies, you all are awesome for wanting to help me!!

Let's see if I can answer some questions. I am using a Canon Rebel XT and when I was playing with the white balance, I had it on florescent. My kit is a PB500 2 light kit by Westcott. My bulbs came with the kit and they are Supreme PhotoFlood bulbs by Eiko. It doesn't say if they are tungsten or not.

My husband is going to dread when he comes home from work tonight :) He's going to walk in see my lights set up again and know that I am going to make him pose again.

If I need more light, what do you suggest? Can I put different bulbs with a higher wattage into these lamps? Or buy another continous light or softbox?


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2/8/2008 11:02:51 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  LOL! I'm actually surprised that we all came out of the woodwork, myself! LOL!

Amber, my hubby is the original "cooked husband" from thread 1. I played and played with my MEGA watt halogen worklights until HE was red... it wasn't the color or WB, it was my poor man. He looked like he had a sunburn. LOL! So he definitely sympathizes with your hubby!

If your bulbs came with the kit, then they are the proper ones. BE CAREFUL trying to go any higher, read your manual carefully, you don't want to overload them and cause a fire hazzard! A softbox will soften and scatter your light more, but will not make them brighter, it will actually make them a stop or two LESS bright. In trying to work with what you have, can you tell us where your current lights are positioned? Using Debby's clock method, your camera is at 6, subject/backdrop at 12... where are your lights? How close to your subject? I typically have my main at about 4, fill at about 7 and both about 4ft from my subject. Main up high like the sun, 45 degree angle to subject's middle chest, fill at eye level to fill in the shadows and get nice catchlights. That's a good place to start and tweak from there.

Does the manual for your lights recommend Fluorescent for WB?? I'd leave it on Auto and go from there.

Try to tweak your setup, if it's not there already, turn off the chandelier and set to Auto WB and let's see how it goes. :)


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2/8/2008 11:20:22 AM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  I don't know how the Canon is set up for WB, but I have Pentax and it actually gives 3 settings for the different continuous bulbs. Looks like Laura has already given some great info.

It is nice to see this thread hopping again. I was worried the thread continued some place else and I was forgotten...lol.

Now I have a question for Nikon hardcore people here. I love my Pentax but am looking to get a higher MP and am looking at the D300? Is there any knowledge from anyone on this, or is there one that is just as good w/o the price. I am noticing it seems the eyes "pop" more with Nikon and am falling in love with photos I have seen taken with them. Anyhow any and all input from Nikon users would be great. thanks


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2/8/2008 12:32:44 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hey, Renee! I've always known Nikon, so I'm not ANTI Canon, just never shot with it. BUT... I have the D200 and have heard some AMAZING things about the 300!!! I'd say if you can do it... go for it! Check out the Nikonians.net site. There are boards there that talk all Nikon and compare the different Nikon cameras, etc. Let me know what you decide to do!


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2/8/2008 12:37:21 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Also... depending on $$$$, the D3 is also out... full pro camera. I've heard it's incredible!


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2/8/2008 12:39:05 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I have the D300 and am madly in love with it. Worth every penny! If anybody has any specific questions about it I would be happy to answer. :)

I did want to get the D3 but couldn't justify the cost. And at this point I am really glad I didn't because while the D3 is better... it isn't $3000 better. D300 won Best New Camera of 2007 I think. :)


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2/8/2008 12:52:11 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  That's why I went with the D200 instead of the D2x a couple of years ago. Better reviews for the $$$$!!!

I'd love to play with the D300, though!!


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2/8/2008 12:56:14 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Thanks. I am really liking what I see on the D300 but may have to go with the D200 will see in a couple of months when I go to make my purchase. Because I also decided to get a new laptop. It isn't that I NEED a new camera but would like a 2nd camera so I am never w/o when my camera goes in for cleaning or yeah whatever just to have backup. I considered staying with Pentax and upgrading to the K10D, but just how the eyes look with Nikon and Canon even are awesome and no matter what I just can't seem to get the look with Pentax. Great camera but I am just not seeing the exact results I am hoping for. I will keep it as my backup because it isn't a terrible camera for the money esp.

Anyhow thanks. off to look at the website suggested.


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2/8/2008 1:28:37 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Oh also is anyone from here on myspace? I would love to add you to my list if you are. I had set it up a little over a year ago and then forgot all about it until mid summer and when I finally found my login info and got in I was shocked to see I had requests for sessions...sadly too late but I was hooked and thinking excellent for advertising but also just in general for keeping up with friends. my id is asoutherntouch


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2/8/2008 1:31:33 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Here's the D300 for$1,699.0

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D300-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-Kit-D-300-NEW-USA_W0QQitemZ350023869521QQihZ022QQcategoryZ43456QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

It's so good to see ya all, I' so glad all of you are doing well!

And Laura, always so great to talk to you!!


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2/8/2008 1:48:21 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Hey Debby thanks. I saw that one and that is what scared me away is the price since I really do need a new laptop before I head out in May to OR to shoot a wedding, then to TN to visit family and from there down to CO in early June to shoot a couple weddings and finally back to home as it be for now in MT.

How have you been?

Mom was in a pretty bad car accident over the summer so we moved to be closer to her and she has been a..... yeah well lets say I just thought I was doing the daughterly duty to be here.


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2/8/2008 2:23:58 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I don't know if you remember the Laptop I had in CO.
byt I have it on ebay, since I got a
new computer.
It has PS7 on it.
might be something you can use.


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2/8/2008 3:08:14 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  thanks for letting me know but I already have mine all laid out and will be placing my order probably next month. I have PS CS2 and 7 already. What did you get?


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2/8/2008 3:54:17 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
 
 
 
All right ladies!! My husband got home from work a little after 10:00 PM and he saw that I had things set up and he knew what he was in for. He was a very good sport about it.

In "more lighting 1 and 4" the lights were actually closer using the clock system. Shot in shutter priority mode. ISO 200, 1/200, 1.8 to 2.0, 2 continous lights (500 watts each), ALL OTHER LIGHTS OFF and WB set tungsten.

In the other 2, I pulled the lights back a little so they weren't so close to him. Settings the same.

So give it to me!! What do you think?? Should I try the manuel mode?

NO PS work done, straight from camera except for resizing.


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2/8/2008 8:37:04 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Wow that really made a difference by changing that white balance!

These look much better. I still wouldn't shoot on such a wide open aperture at this close range, though. You can see how blurry his arms are. I know you aren't really going for posing... just trying to get the lights right. But if you were, then it would be hard to get a nice sharp picture at this aperture.

Granted I know photogs who shoot like this all the time. Don't ask me how...

I do think you should put it on manual, though. I don't like to rely on my camera to get it right by itself. :)


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2/8/2008 9:07:58 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Thanks Danielle!! I will try and do some more this weekend and try manual settings.


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2/9/2008 6:06:21 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Ok HELP!!! I think I am upgrading somewhat from my pentax. Where I love it I just don't seem to be getting exactly the results I am wanting no matter what settings I use. So budget is approx $600 a few hundred more if I choose to sell the pentax, but my issues there is I am comfortable and know the pentax so I don't want to sell just yet if that makes any sense.

So I am looking at both Nikon and Canon. 2 that I have found locally are: the Nikon D40 and the Canon Rebel XT. Do we have someone for each of these that can give me pros and cons? Keep in mind my focus is pet portraits however I am looking like I am booked all summer with weddings. So I am looking for pros, cons, ease of use and understanding each etc. Do either have the capabilities of transferring to a printer? When I do big pet shoots locally it is nice to be able to just transfer over to printer vs constantly changing cards.

Ok so let me have it and thanks in advance for your input.


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2/16/2008 3:10:22 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Ok HELP!!! I think I am upgrading somewhat from my pentax. Where I love it I just don't seem to be getting exactly the results I am wanting no matter what settings I use. So budget is approx $600 a few hundred more if I choose to sell the pentax, but my issues there is I am comfortable and know the pentax so I don't want to sell just yet if that makes any sense.

So I am looking at both Nikon and Canon. 2 that I have found locally are: the Nikon D40 and the Canon Rebel XT. Do we have someone for each of these that can give me pros and cons? Keep in mind my focus is pet portraits however I am looking like I am booked all summer with weddings. So I am looking for pros, cons, ease of use and understanding each etc. Do either have the capabilities of transferring to a printer? When I do big pet shoots locally it is nice to be able to just transfer over to printer vs constantly changing cards.

Ok so let me have it and thanks in advance for your input.


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2/16/2008 3:11:03 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
as you know you you'll have supporters for both types of cameras.
I personally do most Pet store shoots with my D70 you can find Great Dels on these used on Ebay.

New D70s/w lens( I buy from here alot):

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D70-Digital-SLR-Camera-18-55mm-Lens-2GB-Kit_W0QQitemZ350025237876QQihZ022QQcategoryZ43456QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262


Used D70:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D70-6-1-Megapixel_W0QQitemZ190199283059QQihZ009QQcategoryZ107912QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I hope this helps,
Debby


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2/16/2008 3:39:03 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I also have my Studio Fuji S2 listed on Ebay if these are of intrest.


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2/16/2008 3:51:31 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  Thanks for the info and links Debby but now I have a question exactly whats the difference between the D40 and D70 if they are both 6mp? I knew you were using Nikon but couldn't remember the models. Also how is the battery life?


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2/16/2008 3:55:01 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I really don't know,I will look into the perticulars, but I was shopping one day during the holidays(granted I REALLY have been to sick to mess with anything since Thanksgiving)Held it messed a very shot bit and just was not impressed with it.
But there are those here who realli like it.
the D70 is really easy to use and fast, built sturdy but smaller so is great for females as well.
The battery life is great and I have ad no trouble getting more off ebay,especially since the D200 came out and uses a different battery.

**note: you can go to Nikonusa.com and they have a Comapission chart for use with any 2-3 cameras you choose.

or have you looked at Digital cameras that may work with the Camera and it's assories you have now? (sorry, don't know what you have now)


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2/16/2008 4:13:13 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  I have the Pentax K100D currently and an older 200mm lens as well as the basic 55mm lens that it came with. The 200mm lens I can only use on manual focus and it sounds as if the Nikon D40 will be the same way for older model lenses. ahhhhhhhh I don't know. Like I said I really like my current camera but it just isn't sitting quiet right with me. It is like every part of a photo can be perfect yet the eyes on the pets may end up blurred out a touch or a lot and it is ticking me off. I want those eyes to POP out...rofl

Sorry to hear you have been sick. what has been wrong?


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2/16/2008 4:39:34 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Hey Renee. I think the main difference between the D40 and D70 is that the 40 is actually considered an amateur DSLR. I started with the D50 which is the older equivelent of the D40 and only realized after 2 years that it wasn't even considered pro. I know that the D70 can handle a higher ISO but I don't know how good the grain was. The grain on the D50 was attrocious. It was a big reason I switched to the 300. Other than that I can't really tell you a huge difference.

My feeling on the D40 is, though, that after another year you're going to want to upgrade again. If I were you, I'd put out more cash to get a nicer camera that will last a few more years.


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2/16/2008 11:11:21 PM

 
Renee Olsen
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2004
  So sounds like I would be wasting my money and is nothing more than my current k100. thanks for the info maybe I will see where we are at after the truck repairs before making a decision for sure.


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2/17/2008 8:36:37 AM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
 
 
 
Okay ladies!! I finally had a chance to play with my lights again in Manuel mode. I ran into problems with using 1/200 and f/9. Tried so many settings and this is what I came up with. Please help me!!!

All 3 pics have ISO 200, 1/100, 2.8

Only resized for web. I am still not happy with the sharpness of them. Please tell me what I am doing wrong.

2 continous lights (500 watts each) with silver umbrellas, using Debby's clock system


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2/22/2008 6:02:12 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I think the color is looking good! You may just have to up your ISO to 400 with those lights. I know I had A HARD TIME working with continuous lights and without going back to the first threads here, I have no idea what my best settings were. My hubby got tired of sitting under hot lights and told me to just buy strobes already! LOL! BUT, if you try ISO 400, you can play more with your shutter and aperture. The softness you're getting is from a slow shutter and wide open aperture. You need to speed it up as much as you can toward 1/200 and try to close it down to f4 or better or back up from the subject to get a deeper DOF with a wide aperture. I LOVE shallow DOF, but in the studio, for traditional portraiture, you need a deeper DOF to get everything tack sharp.

HTH!!!


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2/22/2008 7:09:08 PM

 
Kimberly Pitcher   HI everyone, I am just starting out. I need some advise on setting up my home studio. So many lights so little time.
ps. Laura, love your website.
Kimberly


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2/24/2008 10:37:49 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning Kimberly,
and :-) to you too Laura if your up yet! lol.
Kim, what would you like help with?

**and I know over the last few months I have gotten many emails about studio equiptment, if I have not gotten back to you PLEASE resend your email and I will as soon as posible.
Due to illness, I have been some what out of it since Thanksgiving.
I am very sorry if I overlooked anyone.


so Kim, what can we help you with?


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2/25/2008 6:03:40 AM

 
Kimberly Pitcher   Debby,
Thanks for responding. Like I said I am just starting out. I have taken most of my photos outside but would like to move inside some. I have looked on the web for lighting but I realy have no idea where to start. Which lights do I need to have to start with. Backdrops that sort of thing.
Any guidence would be helpful:)


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2/25/2008 6:42:38 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Kim,
How much space do you think you want to use?
How much in your budget to start?
and I want to thank you as I see you ordered the Cd set, A lot of answers will come out of those as well.
Plus I am sending you a Pamplet on Lighting set ups.
So, with asweres to those to questions I can email you some suggestions and Links.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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2/25/2008 9:06:19 AM

 
Kimberly Pitcher   I have about 12' by 10' space. My husband is only willing to share a little of hi media room. I would like to start off with about a $500-600 budget.
Thanks for your help


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2/25/2008 5:18:04 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Ok, I sent you an email with some links and ideas.
I hope this helps,
Debby


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2/25/2008 5:53:20 PM

 
Tareq M. Alhamrani
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/26/2006
  I can't read all those inks and really I will feel bored to start reading from the beginning.

I like Studio photography as well, and I do learning myself at home on my daughters only, and I wish to have models [real human] to work with but not available.

Still I have 2 lights for now, but I will add more lights in the near future, now my question is: what modifiers you prefer to work with for studio shooting? mostly what is the minimum number of lights required in studio to do portraits [fashion, glamor,...] say from full body to headshots?


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2/26/2008 3:54:42 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning,
I am sorry to say, and please take this with the concerned intent that it is intended:
All things Wonderful are Only aquired by hard work.
I personally wish you the very best in your ventures.
But again personaly, I refer others back to these threads,because there is so much here that has helped others,
and coutless hours on the behalf of all those who posted here,
Why should they be re-posted?
Why should one intrested,not put forth the effort it takes to read them.
If you read through, you will see how there is no "Best " answer for either one of your questions, but yet different effects to both!

Would you in fact, pay for a class and tell the instuctor, I want the class,but wont do the work?

You'll be glad you read through,trust me.
I have recieved uncountable letters on how much help these threads have been,and MANY of us still answer questions today.
So Welcome,
but read the threads.


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2/26/2008 6:07:41 AM

 
Elida Gutierrez
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/6/2007
  I just want to bookmark the thread.
I love to learn something new every day and here is so much information. I don't have the space or the money -for now- to have a studio, but by the moment I can learn something. Thanks all of you for all the great input.


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2/26/2008 8:00:30 AM

 
Kimberly Pitcher   Deb, thanks for the e-mail. I have been going over all the threads and finding tons of useful infomation. still reading only up to 11.
Wow some of the photos are incredible. I am a little overwhelded but excited to get started.
Kimberly


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2/26/2008 9:31:39 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Kimberly,
I hope the info will help, your Cds are on thier way, Please wait to make your desiccion on the lights until you get them and Please view the Studio CD first, this will introduce you to some of the equiptment,costs and then set ups ect.
If you need more help,just email.
or send me a phone number and I'll call you.
I know it's a LOT to read here, but there is so much to think about when
investing so much money ,time and effort into starting a business.
and it's all here encluding the business stuff as well.Business cards, pricing,development,customer service,advertizing on a budget,client relations and posing,camera,lighting,props,backgrounds,WOW!
you'll have a good time.
Make lots of coffee,LOL


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2/26/2008 9:47:23 PM

 
Kimberly Pitcher   Debby,
I got the CDs and am busy learning everything I can. I still have'nt gotten my lights, I am researching and learning before I make my purchase. I'll let you know when and what I get. Thank you so much for all your help.
Kimberly


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2/29/2008 6:50:02 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
 
 
  Giddy Up!!
Giddy Up!!
ISO 400, 1/160sec, 4.5
© Amber J. Skene
Canon EOS Digital ...
 
 
I'm back!! You all have helped me so much before so I thought I would ask more questions.

I'm posting a photo and have a problem with light spilling over from the background lights onto the subject. I am using 2 500 watt continous lights to light the white bacgground. They are about waist height off to the sides pointing directly at the backdrop. No umbrellas with these. And then I have 2 continous lights for my main and fill. I also have a problem lighting the floor too. Not sure how to fix that either.

My settings for these are ISO 400, 1/160 sec, f4.5

Any help and advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!


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4/17/2008 12:15:13 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I recently had a similar problem, Amber. You do need something around those lights in the back. I have 2 barndoors now but before, when I only had one, I used a box around it to keep it from spilling forward. There is no preventing that spill otherwise. My lights in the front were also causing a bit of spill ... I was too far forward. You have to be shooting from further back than your light is.

As far as lighting the floor ... try using some plexiglass or something. That helps. Or maybe you just need to turn up your main and fill a bit.

Good luck!


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4/17/2008 12:22:05 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
What Kind of lights are you using?
Danielle is right you nee a reflector for those and they should be on the lowest settings if 500w lights.
you may want to look for Reflectores like a full scoop or half scoop.
once you have the reflectors on you can also try laying them on the floor.


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4/17/2008 12:44:56 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Okay. I am confused. How can I turn them down? They only have an off and on switch.

I'll look into some barn doors. I am not quite sure what those are, but have heard of them. So, it sounds like I need something that goes around the back of the light to keep the light going forward. Right?


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4/17/2008 1:08:31 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Amber,
What Kind of lights are they?
it makes it easier to research available items for you.
Barn Doors have flaps that close and can hold a diffuser to help soften the lighting.
Such as in this Fill light I love to use.


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4/17/2008 1:37:38 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  There are full unit barn doors an then these clip ons made for large Photogenic lights.


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4/17/2008 1:40:38 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=98

The above link is what I have. They are by Smith-Victor and have 10 inch reflectors.

If there is better lighting that I should have for lighting up the background, let me know.

Thanks for helping me ladies!!


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4/17/2008 2:02:29 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  So, it looks like this is what I need?

http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=128&id=20&pid=3&s1=Light+Control+Accessories&s2=Barndoors+and+Scrims&nm=BDT10

Just one set of barn doors or 2 sets of barn doors for each light??


Or different lighting for background?


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4/17/2008 2:26:22 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Amber ,
that link only took me to the Smith Victor site.
but here is there Barn oor selection:

http://www.smithvictor.com/products/index.asp?id=20&pid=3&s1=Light+Control+Accessories&s2=Barndoors+and+Scrims

Most likly two of these would be better for your backlight:

http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=268&id=15&pid=2&s1=Lights&s2=Strobe+Lights&nm=FLASHLITE+110I

Or one of these:

http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=266&id=15&pid=2&s1=Lights&s2=Strobe+Lights&nm=FLASHLITE+FLC200


These would help as well:

http://www.smithvictor.com/products/index.asp?id=21&pid=3&s1=Light+Control+Accessories&s2=Filters%2C+Holders%2C+and+Diffusers


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4/17/2008 2:27:09 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Amber,
Smith Victor is a sister company to Photogenic.
Photogenic made more on the Pro end
with full control options.
Smith Victor is a great place to start.
However the Photogenic line has a lot more to offer as your business grows.

The Company history:

http://www.smithvictor.com/company/index.asp


Today, Smith-Victor is prospering in a brand new 96,000 square foot state-of-the-art manufacturing facility. This facility is shared with its sister company, Photogenic Professional Lighting (www.PhotogenicPro.com), a maker of strobe lighting equipment and light shaping accessories for professional photographers. For more information about Smith-Victor's 130 year history, visit the History section.


And you can see the whole Photogenic web site here(or email me an I will send you a catolog,No I am not a distrutor for any company, I supply them as a option when I teach)

http://www.photogenicpro.com/

Just for fun info.,
Debby


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4/17/2008 2:39:18 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Yes, one for each light used.


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4/17/2008 2:40:33 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  Hey Amber. If you can't change the level of your lights, change the level of your camera! Try opening up your f-stop just one or two stops.


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4/17/2008 2:42:53 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  So, I know this is a stupid question. If I decide to get those strobes you mentioned (only have used continous), how do I make them flash, go off? I know there is a sync cord, but does that hook into my camera?

I'm sorry to be bothering you ladies, but I am just not sure what be best. And I think if I knew how it worked, I could make a better decision.

And Danielle, I am going to try that too!


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4/17/2008 3:05:04 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Your not bothering anyone, this is what this thread is about.
But that is why I kept asking what lights you have.
So I can take a look and match up the equiptment for you.
now I take it you have continous?
not strobes?


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4/17/2008 3:55:39 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I bought one of those cheap little radio triggers off eBay for my flash. It works perfectly. A lot of people use something called a Pocket Wizard which I believe is about $200 and they warn against the evils of the cheapie from eBay but I've never had a single problem with mine. It was about $15 I think. Although I did just realize I need a second sensor for when I do certain lighting set-ups, so you may want to think in advance and just buy 2 sensors to save on shipping.


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4/17/2008 4:52:28 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=98

Debby,

The above link is what I have for using to light up the white backdrop. It is KT500U Thrifty Kit which has 10" reflectors. They are continous lights. I have never never worked with strobes and I am still new to lighting. I have been practicng and I feel like I am getting better, but still have a ways to go.

I am open to strobes, but I just don't know how they work.



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4/17/2008 6:03:16 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Amber,
I will take a look, but if you have been working with Continous lighting(hot lights) you will find strobes SO WONERFUL!
easy to use,cooler,and much easier to see the shadows and color you will be capturing.
This whole thread started with Betsy asking a question and Laura jumping in with her hot lights.
I have tol others before to email her and see how she like the change.
She is SO Wonderful she will give you her opinion an share any direction she has as well.
I have to close for this evening, but I will check tomorrow.
Have a great evenoing,
Debby


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4/17/2008 9:48:51 PM

 
Amber J. Skene
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/2/2007
  Thanks Debby!! I contacted Laura through her BP site and asked her some questions. I do appreciate all of your help!!


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4/18/2008 11:41:08 AM

 
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