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Theresa C. Tyree
 

PSE 4 ? How to do B&W with color?


I know this is a Photoshop question and not about digital photography but didn't know where else to turn for help. Does anyone know how to take a converted b&w photo and keep color on an object, such as a red rose?

Thanks in advance for help!


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October 02, 2006

 

anonymous A.
  There are lot's of ways to go about it, Theresa. I prefer to make a duplicate layer, then convert the top layer to monochrome, then erase the areas where you want the colour to show through. If you erase a bit too muchm hold down the right mouse button and "unerase" the part you didn't mean to rub out.
Have a look at pages 4 and 8 of my gallery for examples.


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October 02, 2006

 

Theresa C. Tyree
  I've tried creating a duplicate layer. Then I convert the new layer to B&W. Then it asks if I want to "flatten" the layers. I've tried it both ways. It converts both layers to B&W. I used the eraser tool to go over the part I want colored, but since the bottom layers is B&W too, it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong? I have Photoshop Elements 4.0. Can you describe the actions in more detail? I know there's got to be an easy way to do it but I don't know the steps.

PS, I looked on pp 4 & 8 of your photo gallery but didn't see what it.

Thanks!
Theresa


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October 02, 2006

 

anonymous A.
  Ah! The mistake is in your conversion to B&W. When you do it that way, it converts the entire picture (as you found out!) ~ Instead, with the top layer selected, choose Chanels from the Color menu, and check the Monochrome box. Then adjust the sliders for each color to get the exact effect you want. This will only effect the layer you are working on.
The pictures on page 4 where I nused this technique id the skull of a dead horse on a red soil background. On Page 8 you will find a cheetah in monochrome except for her eyes.


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October 02, 2006

 

Theresa C. Tyree
  Hi David,

Oh, now I see! I'm at work now so I can't play on PSE. I'll have to wait until I get home again to try. I'll let you know when I try again if I'm successful.
You're right. What I did was I converted the top layer to Gray Scale. So you're saying to convert it to B&W using the chanels option? Am I supposed to flatten layers or does this not apply when doing it from the chanels way? Do I still use the eraser tool to get the colored layer underneath to show through?
Thanks again and I'll let you know.
Theresa


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October 02, 2006

 
- Dr Silly

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  Try it this way. Load your photo and then do a Ctrl+J it well make a copy of your photo. Then go to Enhance at the top and in the pull down menu pick adjust color and the adjust Hue?Saturation. You then slide the Saturation button all the way to the left and hit OK. Then erase the area you wish to add the color back.

Do not flatten the photo. Go to file and us Save as is, to save your photo.

The close and say do not save changes, or your orginal photo will change. Selective coloring is fun to do.

Remember all ways zoom in to get better coloring details.

Doc



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October 02, 2006

 

anonymous A.
  Dr. Silly's method and my suggestion are equivalent, and his advice applies to both. If you flatten the photo before you apply the method, you can't do it, because only the B&W top layer remains. If you flatten after, then Save, your changes become your only version of the picture and you have lost the original, so you Save AS... with a new name. You may be warned that saving as a jpeg, tiff etc will lose data, but that's fine.


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October 02, 2006

 

Theresa C. Tyree
  Hi again,

I found out the steps on how to do this. Before doing anything, always save the original as something else, so if you mess up, you still have the original intact.

1. Layer -> Duplicate Layer.
2. Enhance -> Adjust Color -> Remove color.
3. Zoom in on area of interest to work on intricate areas.
4. Select ERASER tool. Erase the area where you want the color to show through.
5. Layer -> Merge Visible.
6. SAVE.
7. Admire your new creation!

I got this help from KokoDeb on the Creating Keepsakes message board.

Thanks again!

Theresa


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October 03, 2006

 

anonymous A.
  that's the go, Theresa. Just remember that when you use that method, the black and white image is likely to be pretty flat and dull. Also, I'd suggest that when you save your original, you consider saving it as a .tiff file, so that you don't lose detail (.jpeg files degrade a bit every time you save them).

Have fun.


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October 03, 2006

 

Theresa C. Tyree
  Hi David,
I heard that .jpeg files degrade every time you save them but nobody has ever told me to save the original as a tiff file. Thank you for teaching me that tip.
Take care,
Theresa


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October 03, 2006

 
- Darren J. Gilcher

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  Sorry to hijack the thread but where the heck is channels in PSE4.0? I can't find it the way David said. Could be me.


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October 03, 2006

 

anonymous A.
  My apologies: there are so amny versions out there, and I seldom use them (though I have them...I'm a PaintShopPro man). I believe the easiest way to get there in PSE4 is: Layer/New Adjustment Layer/Channel Mixer. The channel mixer will open with the Red channel selected (usually all that is needed). Tick the Monochrome box then use the slider to move the red until the monochrome effect is close to what you want. Then adjust the Green and Blue to fine tune (the 3 values should add up to about 100).


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October 04, 2006

 
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