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Dennis Flanagan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/31/2005
 

BP photos being copied and posted


I was just alerted by a friend of someone who has been posting BP members photos on her Flickr site. I don't see any of mine, but I recognize quite a few. I have no idea how to legally pursue this person posting our photos as her own. http://www.flickr.com/photos/divi/


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9/9/2006 6:09:37 AM

 
Dennis Flanagan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/31/2005
  I suspect she is copying all from the BP winners pages.


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9/9/2006 6:20:30 AM

 
Pete H
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/9/2005
  At the bottom of the flickr page is "Report Abuse"
Identify the photos you are sure of and advise them the photos are copyrighted.

Pete


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9/9/2006 7:03:53 AM

 
Margie Hurwich
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/16/2005
  WOW! I've e-mailed a couple of BP'ers that I recognized photos from.


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9/9/2006 7:26:29 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  Not only is she(?) getting them from BP, but there are actually some on her page from others on her own site! Now that's ridiculous! I saw a bunch of BP shots on her pages.


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9/9/2006 7:35:52 AM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
 
Dang!!!
On the page 11, I see my photo.
She titled it as "rained_blue".

I recognize others bp members', too.


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9/9/2006 7:55:23 AM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Hey, Dennis,
Thanks for heads up...
I will certainly be filing a complaint.


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9/9/2006 7:57:28 AM

 
Gail Vitikacs
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/8/2003
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  More information (sorry for taking up so much space with it)

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9/9/2006 8:53:13 AM

 

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  I had permission from myself


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9/9/2006 9:35:23 AM

 
Dennis Flanagan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/31/2005
  Huh?


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9/9/2006 9:38:54 AM

 

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  She looks to be about 14. Sue the parents for everthing they got. She probably doesn't even know what copyright means.


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9/9/2006 9:57:21 AM

 
Donald R. Curry
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/2/2006
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  I'm somewhat computer ignorant. Is it really that easy to copy the photos from BP?


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9/9/2006 11:35:28 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  Yes, but you can only get a small sized shot.


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9/9/2006 12:05:39 PM

 
Pat Worster
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/21/2004
  How can anyone do this and feel good about themselves. I hope each and everyone of you that find your work has been stolen take serious action.


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9/9/2006 12:56:06 PM

 
dave    doesn't surprise me, thats why I don't post (perfect example). Lousy security here.


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9/9/2006 8:14:55 PM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  it has nothing to do with the security. I think BP is doing a fantastic job. Anybody can copy what they see on the screen and crop off the extra stuff in photo editing software. It is soooo easy and there insn't a way around it. Many sites do a lot to try and prevent people from doing this .... perhaps someone will come up with something better in the future.

It is the risk you take by posting your images on the Internet. Sorry. But at least they can't get high res images for printing!


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9/9/2006 9:12:07 PM

 
Chris Macer   One of my images has also appeared on her site. I'll also file a complaint and with any luck all our property will be removed shortly.

It's really great to see that there is a wonderful community of fellow photographers looking out for each other at BP! Cheers guys :)


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9/9/2006 11:07:45 PM

 
dave    I've asked some hi-tech computer buddies of mine to try and take some photos off my personal website and they can't. I had a professional web designer build my site with the tightest security and so far no problems. Maybe its a money issue, cause it did cost me 2months salary for the work. I've said it before , maybe we should all chip in to raise the bar.


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9/10/2006 3:38:13 AM

 
  Its been over 2 years for me and I never got sued, what a bunch of dreamers. Do you actually think she used her real name. Never know could be my soulmate


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9/10/2006 4:07:36 AM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  Dave, I didn't know you had a website online. I just figured you didn't have a presense on the web because of the threat of people stealing your pics. I'd like to see your website and get some insight into how the security issues were taken care of. Did the web developer use special scripting? Flash? Something else? Perhaps you don't know. But I'd still like to take a look.

Thanks.


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9/10/2006 4:02:34 PM

 
Crossroad Photography 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/17/2006
  Divya, ( ), Too Slim Brady or whatever you want to call yourself next, it's extremely obvious you're well aware of your wrong doing and I'm not sure why you don't show these artist some respect by removing the stolen images from your site. As far as you not using your real name, well your IP address has been resgister with Flickr and also here at BP and it won't be tough to track you down. Now, stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes because we are all too smart for that and kindly remove the stolen images from your site.


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9/10/2006 4:17:25 PM

 
Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/11/2005
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  Dave, send me the link to your website and I'll show you how easy it is to lift your picture. And I'll even add my initials on the picture, and spiff it up with Photoshop Elements. If you're serious, send me the URL and I'll show you it's easy to do and tell you how to do it. Just hit my contact button.


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9/10/2006 5:34:50 PM

 
Darren K. Fisher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/7/2002
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  So glad Picture it is telling Slim Brady/ Dave/ iamdivya's how it really is. Wonder how many more names she/he will come up with. It is only a matter of time till you are tracked down.

Dave I would also like to see the Thief proof site of yours, you are so proud of. What is the link.


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9/10/2006 5:38:23 PM

 
She-She Killough   I have two friends who are web masters, techies and one says it can be done and the other says...that he can get around her blocking it...you just have to know how to do it. One way or the other the person that would lift someone else's images...is a person who has no integrity, doesn't care about anyone but themselves and doesn't have the character to do their own work...so they steal and think they are something for it. Just shows who they are...a very sad...and empty person...most likely bitter too. But in the end...whether it takes a day...a week...2 years or 10 years...you Always Reap what you sow and MORE than you sow. So Too Slim...you may think your getting away with things...but let me assure you of this...you day is coming and it will hit you upside the head something fierce and when it does...you will be in Sadder shape then you are now. I pity you now and for your future.


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9/10/2006 6:41:38 PM

 
Crossroad Photography 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/17/2006
  Well said Sheesh..you go girl!


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9/10/2006 6:54:49 PM

 
Ken Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/11/2005
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  I still haven't heard from Dave on his fool-proof site. Fancy that!!


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9/10/2006 8:05:24 PM

 
Carol Teal
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/19/2006
  Thanks Dennis, for passing the info to me about the website and theft of photos. While none of mine were there, it was an eye-opener that it could be done. I knew you could not right-click on the large image, but have never tried it with the small one. I may want to rethink keeping certain photos in my gallery beyond a few weeks. I did check the site on Flickr just a few moments ago, and all the photos were gone. So I guess they shut it down, or sent her a letter and she took them off, or maybe she just read all the comments from BP members and decided to pull them before she got in trouble! Thanks again Dennis!


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9/11/2006 8:51:53 AM

 
Christopher Budny
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/3/2005
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  While none of mine appeared on this flickr gallery, a good thing to keep in mind is the low-resolution nature of what we upload & display on BP. I'd guess the images taken by this person were taken via simple screen captures. (And while right-click may be disabled on a site, I've yet to see a site that disabled screen captures. Sorry, Dave!)

Based on the display size of the images I saw on this flickr gallery, it appeared they were often captured off the BP home page, from the Recent Winner's display area---which is not quite a full-size display to begin with. However, even drilled all the way into an image on BP, for maximum monitor display size, it is still only a 480x640 72dpi image (my typical upload, anyway.) Nice for monitor display, but it won't make a satisfactory print beyond wallet size!

There's no excuse for him/her to have used the images of others, without permission... but keep in mind that someone cannot get to your original, full-sized, uncompressed files via anything you display on BP, since you never upload those files to begin with.


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9/11/2006 2:15:40 PM

 
Carol Teal
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/19/2006
  Thanks for the info Chris; I was wondering how she/he got the bigger sized images that I saw on the site. I thought they were bigger than what you could get from right-clicking on the small photo. I understand no one can print a decent size photo from that resolution, but I was thinking of photos of people, especially children, that I wouldn't want displayed on someone's site. I don't know if anyone would use them for anything that might be inappropriate, but in my mind I could see a reason for someone to do so. It is a shame that the Internet has many people online that infringe on the rights of others and even engage in illegal activities! Of course, the live in our neighborhoods too.


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9/11/2006 2:49:49 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
 
I truly appreciated those people who took the time to write to me about this. I also appreciated those people who took the time to log into Flickr site and made this thief aware that she or he has been discovered and identified as a photo thief. I believe some of them did not have the log in account but took the time to create an account to do this as well.

Itís so comforting and so good to know that there are many great people on this site who are very supportive of each other. Many of them I have never communicated with nor have known previously.
Although I have been an advocate of posting a low-resolution small file on the Internet site, I know it is never a good feeling when you discover your own photo on another site posted by someone else claiming its copyright.


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9/11/2006 6:45:30 PM

 
dave    I use flash, And don't bag me in with bozzo my names not Jerry.


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9/12/2006 2:49:53 AM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  I use flash too! Great and easy software to use. The screen capture works great when I want to include pictures of my flash projects into my digital portfolio. I suppose I could just publish my flash projects as jpegs at the same time I publish them as SWFs ... but it is soooo much easier to just get a screen capture of the whole darn thing and crop it up in PS.


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9/12/2006 8:53:03 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Is this just another case of "I've have this special thing" but "can't tell anybody what or where it is"?


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9/12/2006 11:15:59 AM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  yes. if you want to see my site --- it really does exist. I'm not finished, I've made some changes, but here it is so far. You can view the finished site in about a week.

http://cherylann.superbad.net

For those of you worried about security, you'll see that you can't right-click to save any of my images ... but ... the images can still be lifted with a screen capture.


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9/12/2006 11:19:59 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Images that you see on your computer screen are generated from bytes of data stored in the memory of your computer. If you can see the image on your computer the image data bytes have already been transferred to the memory of your computer. These data bytes, and hence the image, can then be saved in a file. In other words if you can see it on your screen, it can be saved to a file. Currently only a web site that doesn't let you see the image is safe, so Shady is OK :-)


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9/12/2006 11:50:45 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Not your's Cherylann, the guy calling himself Dave.


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9/12/2006 10:06:16 PM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  I know Gregory. I just wanted everyone to know that I'm not just someone hiding behind my keyboard. I really do exist and I can back up what I say.


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9/12/2006 10:09:02 PM

 
dave    calling myself dave??? That was my parents deal. At the time it wasn't a very popular name.

I said that I used flash. My pictures aren't on the screen long enough to make a copy. I'll have to call that a miss.

I have nothing to hide, if you were one of my clients, you could see the whole gamut.

I'm not saying that all my shots are gonna sell, but I will not display them to be critiqued or copied or manipulated. I've already gone through that phase when I joined in 2001, which only lasted about 3months until I found my picture on another website for sell as stock. Of coarse I could have sued the guy, but the lawyer would have costed more than the pictures were worth to me.

I guess I'll have to hid behind the keyboard, which wouldn't be easy at 280pounds :)


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9/14/2006 11:53:41 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  All you have to do is hit a button while the image is on the screen, if your images go by too fast (in a flash!) for that then I'm guessing your website must be for subliminal advertising :-)


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9/14/2006 12:01:13 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  its really easy to grab photos off BP at the large sizes.. I used to ddo it all the time with mne. Im at work and wanna make one a BG on my desk top, id go into my gallery, open the pic I wanted then id do some "other stuff" and have it on my desk top in a few minutes..easily. Ive only had one wedding photog site I couldnt get around so I know there is a way to make it very very difficult to grab shots...but not impossible!


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9/14/2006 1:37:15 PM

 
Mike Rubin
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/15/2004
  The Flickr site is inactive now :)


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9/14/2006 6:15:09 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  With nothing to hide, what's your web site?


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9/14/2006 10:15:06 PM

 
Jerry Frazier   To the person who insulted me, and also claims that their flash site is tight, send me the url. I'll download your images so fast your head will spin. If it's on a server, it can be stolen. Most kids know how to do this, and it's a joke that you think flash sites are secure. They are not secure.

Have a great day!


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9/15/2006 5:12:12 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Jerry - if you see a response from someone with no gallery, whatever their name, it is probably our friend from Spokane Washington and should be read with the respect it deserves :-) The funny thing is that it often provokes some genuinely useful replies so no big deal.


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9/15/2006 6:17:57 AM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  Spokane? I'm confused. Hey, I live in Spokane. No kidding.


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9/15/2006 8:31:43 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Didn't mean you Cherylann! The resident board crank purports to come from Spokane or Seattle, or was it Bellevue? somewhere rainy anyway :-)


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9/15/2006 8:45:22 AM

 
A C
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/6/2004
  It isn't rainy in Spokane. Other side of the state.


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9/15/2006 8:46:18 AM

 
Jerry Frazier   I thought it was Hawaii, or Arizona.


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9/15/2006 9:39:15 AM

 
Dennis Flanagan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/31/2005
  Us Spokanites are all nice people.


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9/15/2006 11:10:05 PM

 
dave    what? I live in Harrisburg


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9/18/2006 7:59:11 AM

 
Brinn MacDougall
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/2/2002
  The site still exists, but the person is no longer at Flickr.


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9/21/2006 4:26:55 PM

 
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