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Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
 

Midnight Sepia for Elements


The Midnight Sepia Action has recently been popular in the People category, for those of you with Photoshop Elements who've felt left out due to not having actions I included instructions in this photo.


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6/26/2006 6:28:21 PM

 
Slim Brady 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/1/2006
  popular dies quick in this fast paced market


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6/26/2006 8:35:40 PM

 
Slim Brady 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/1/2006
  why do I say that, I bought that action about a year ago and don't even touch it now. The actions these day do about twice as much and have even better effects (more like film)


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6/26/2006 9:17:34 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  No sepia. Looks like a curve for higher contrast and gaussian would do the same.


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6/26/2006 10:58:05 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  yeah I was thinking diffusion glow or whatever it's called.


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6/27/2006 12:29:14 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Brady - thanks for the enlightening comparison between this simple Elements pseudo-Action and current Photoshop Actions. All the more reason for people to aspire to Photoshop I think. I'm surprised anyone would pay for such a simple Action, you mean they used to sell it?

Gregory & Justin - I'm not sure what you guys are talking about: the photo (where it was noted in the description that the effect was toned down) or the instructions themselves (which result in plenty of Sepia for me)? Did you try the instructions on any of your photos?


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6/27/2006 5:36:26 AM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  No ma'am, I don't have Elements. Plus sepia is the brown toning/tinting of a photograph. Like a dark amber I guess you could say.


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6/27/2006 7:22:57 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Justin - nothing stopping you trying it in Photoshop if that's what you have. The photo wasn't intended to be an example of the raw Midnight Sepia effect, if that's what's confusing you. I'd just happened to use it modified on this photo and threw in the instructions for those that were interested. I thought by saying the effect was toned down in the photo description that would be clear - but obviously not!


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6/27/2006 7:46:09 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  Yeah, diffused glow.
Well, I was really just looking because of the fancy title "midnight sepia". Like saffron summer sunset turns out to be orange. What's a sepia look like at midnight?
Anything else, I was just making a point that you could probably do it another way with less steps. But, that's photoshop.


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6/27/2006 9:18:31 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Gregory - I agree to some extent with the silly names, but there is some logic to it. There are a series of Midnight ***** Actions that apply various casts, etc in addition to sort of making it look like it was taken at night. Hence 'Midnight Sepia'.

FYI Elements doesn't have Curves, if you know of an easier way of doing this in less steps please let us know!


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6/27/2006 9:39:00 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  You seem a little tense with the exclamation points. Raise the contrast with whatever elements has.


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6/27/2006 9:52:19 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Gregory - I don't think just raising the contrast would obtain an equivalent effect. The Screen blend mode makes things more contrasty, but not evenly across the board (ie darks are not affected), that's where Curves would work. The exclamation point was meant to denote enthusiasm that someone might have an easier way, though this is a pretty simple set of steps anyway I guess so I'll retract that exclamation point :-)


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6/27/2006 10:00:09 AM

 
Slim Brady 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/1/2006
  came in a hundred pack of different actions, and you just test them out and tweak from there if you like. Of coarse they are all bootleg cds, I wouldn't pay for it.


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6/28/2006 12:36:06 AM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Thanks for the instructions Jane. They work perfect in Paint Shop, plus you can always add a little extra to make it your own.. lol I really liked it, and used it on two photos. (which are in my gallery)


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6/28/2006 4:49:47 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Thanks for the feedback Tonya, it's good to get it from someone who actually used the instructions. Love the effect on your "Helping Hand" photo too - it's perfect!


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6/28/2006 5:15:29 AM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Thanks Jane.


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6/28/2006 6:30:13 AM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Thanks Jane.


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6/28/2006 6:30:13 AM

 
Jagadeesh Andrew Owens   Many thanks for you tutorial, but I tried it and followed your instruction to the "t" and didn't get anything but a soft glow and a green cast.... there's nothing remotely sepia about it. What's up? What is the effect supposed to do?


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6/28/2006 8:54:52 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Sipho - Search in BPs photos for "Midnight Sepia" and you'll see examples. The Sepia comes from bumping the Hue up so it depends on the photo if there's anything to actually bump up and give it a Sepia cast, it's not an overall tint. I've noticed it does tend to increase greens. It definitely has very different effects from photo to photo so you have to experiment.


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6/28/2006 9:20:04 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  Use colorize and saturation if you want sepia.


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6/28/2006 12:01:07 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  I tried it on a picture and I see what you mean about the green cast. Try a duplicate layer set to hard light, and then diffused glow. Do the layer first so you can adjust the glow to what you want, then you can do the layer opacity so get the overall effect you want. Might be easier, so you want get highlights too broad and have to revert to start over.


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6/28/2006 12:38:20 PM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Gregory - I presume you meant "won't get highlights too broad"? If so it would indeed be nice to catch blown out areas early on.


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6/28/2006 1:12:30 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
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  Yes, what I wanted was won't. But then again, it may not make a difference which step you do first.


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6/28/2006 1:25:43 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Jane, I loved the pic when I first saw it! You gave 2 different versions on the thread (2nd one had the pic/graphic attached),I have PSE4, which one should I follow? I'll try it tomorrow hopefully, as its real late here, and I'm off to bed. Thanks anyway for sharing - sorry if the question is 'doff' (stupid!) Not all of us are total techno's :)


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6/28/2006 2:17:12 PM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Robyn - Just follow the first set of instructions for the Midnight Sepia effect.
The other set of instructions were just a method to cure 'blown out' (highlight areas that are over-exposed, ie too white and have lost all details) areas in a photo. If a photo has substantial highlights to start with the Midnight Sepia effect does exaggerate them and makes blow out more likely - so you might need the second set of instructions depending on your original photo.


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6/28/2006 4:11:53 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Jane


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6/29/2006 12:19:17 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  For those thinking of trying this, I think Tonya's photo is the best example I've seen of what this effect does to an image.


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6/29/2006 5:31:30 AM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Thanks so much Jane...:)


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6/29/2006 6:30:17 AM

 
Jane M
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/30/2005
  Actually with your new 'before' shot I think your mini-pic one is an even better example, shows how an effect can sometimes make a good photo great!


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6/29/2006 7:03:31 AM

 
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