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Andrea Jimenez
 

Is photography a good carrer choice?Help me please


 
  Beautiful reading
Beautiful reading
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  Ducks
Ducks
© Andrea Jimenez
Sony Cyber-shot DS...
 
 
Hiii! Iīm 16 years old and I need guidance about photography, good schools, phtography experience, and almost everything abot the subject, please help me! I really like photography, and could you give advices and opinios about my pics Pleasee! =D!


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4/22/2006 8:50:00 PM

 
 
 
 
Hi Andrea;

Welcome to BetterPhoto.

Photography is an awesome career, but it is very competetive. For a good photographer, there is a good living to be made. There are many photographers on this site who have grear working careers.

You'll probably hate me now, but here's my views on your prints. I like the one of the girl reading. You captured that one well. The ducks, on the other hand, is another story.

Ducks looks like a snapshot to me. It just doesn't pop. You might have tried another angle. You might have gotten down on their level. You need to find ways to make a print look different from the others. Make it pop. Say "I'M HERE". Most have found ways to make this happen. Like I said, go down on their level. We've all laid on our stomaches a time or two. When I shot Orange Critter, I laid on my back with a broken leg.

Keep practicing. Try to take a few courses. You'll do fine.

Have fun and keep shooting,
Mark H.


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4/22/2006 10:17:26 PM

 
Karen E. Michaels
karenemichaels.com
  Andrea, I agree with Mark, that it can be a profitable business. I advise to keep with your art, and also learn something else with which you can make a living while working towards a career in the arts.
The fine arts are hard on people. There is much rejection for which you will have to build a very thick skin.
In regards to your present work; what I like about your portrait is that you are at eye level with your subject. That is important for your audience to understand what it is you want to convey with a piece. She is, however, a bit too centered.
In contrast, that is your weak point with the ducks; you are shooting them from above. In Cinematography, that vantage point is considered to be power looking down on lessors. I do not think that is your general intent with your ducks.
Peace, karen


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4/23/2006 6:52:04 AM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  welcome andrea,
yeah the first one is overexposed,you've lost a lot of detail and that glare in the glass is very distracting.
people aren't trying to be mean here with their comments,just their own honest opinions.you get what you ask for.like karen said,get used to it and grow.
hth,sam


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4/23/2006 8:37:17 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Greetings Andrea:

Careers in photography can be either feast or famine and often that's true of one career from one day to the next. I think to succeed in this business you first need a really solid and diverse education.

For that, I suggest that you steer for a 4 or even 5 year college degree to get a bachelors degree or masters in fine arts with a major in photography and minor in business administration. Having technical skills and the ability to use a camera are important, yes. But knowing how to survive in business is equally important to your success.

Many college fine arts programs requiure prospective students to submit a portfolio of what the student believes is their best work. Sometimes they may even specify what they want to see in porfolios. In that respect, your job is to provide them with a sampling of your absolute best work cleanly and simply displayed, showing versatility, perhaps demonstrating a particular theme and a passion for the art form.

In that sense, I think you're off to a good start. I actually like your reading shot for its angles, perspective and point of view. I find it both absorbing and interesting. I like the ducks photo too and the angle which is unusual. They look like they're having a conversation which may or may not have been what you were trying to convey. :>) But it's cute and I think you've got a good photographic vision.

In this business, like everything else, experience is the best teacher. I disagree with what Karen said for two reasons. First, I don't think you can "keep with your art" (which I think she means be true to your art) while at the same time conveying something the audience will understand.

I think that what's important is that you become your own best and worst critic. That will help you thicken your skin, so-to-speak, and help you improve both your technical skills and artistic visions. From my own perspective of doing this work for a lot of years, a photograph, like a painting, can be interpreted in many different ways, as your work has been here. When you shoot a commercial assignment, you've got to please a number of critics. But in terms of your own work, at the end of the day if you leave people to ponder the elements in your work and how they come together somehow in their mind, that's good. And if the art directors, illustrators and clients are happy about a particular assignment you shot for them, you've done well.

Persevere.
Mark F.
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'Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach photography, and those who can't teach photography become art critics.' LOL !!!! (Paraphrasing Woody Allen)


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4/23/2006 9:15:33 AM

 

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  I think that maybe Mark F. needs to go back to learn to spell.


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4/23/2006 3:16:59 PM

 
Andrea Jimenez   Well thank you all for your opinions, it really means a lot to me.
And iīm sorry Mark F, but what does it mean. "I think that maybe Mark F. needs to go back to learn to spell".
(iīm having a little trouble to understand everything that you all wrote because iīm a spanish speaking person, and my knowledge about english is not that extensive, I only know what iīm taught at school)... Another thing does anybody know how can a get a scolarship? and where?


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4/23/2006 3:27:59 PM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  What do you suppose Mr. Hyatt is referring to exactly??

I don't see anything wrong with your English, Andrea. Nothing at all.

Mark F. (The other Mark)


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4/23/2006 3:46:04 PM

 

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  I wasn't referring to you, Andrea. It was a joke aimed at the other Mark.


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4/23/2006 4:08:59 PM

 
Andrea Jimenez   i can see that itīs a joke but I donīt find it funny, in fact I donīt know what you want to say? Mark H, I understand the words but not the meaning... is Mark F writing wrong? or are you refering to his opinion? are you disagreing with him?...

mmmm anyway, how old are you both? how long have you been practicing photography?


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4/23/2006 4:21:12 PM

 
 
 
 
He misspelled two words in his answer. I find your english to be very good. You are very clear. There have been many times when I have disagreed with Mark, but not this time.

As for my age, I'm 44. I'm also married with two children. I started with my first camera in 1970, and started shooting professionally in 1979. I currently use a Minolta X700 as my main camera. I also own a Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D digital. Digital is a whole new world for me.

Have fun and keep shooting,
Mark H. (the other, other Mark)


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4/23/2006 4:43:22 PM

 
Jim Macino
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/23/2005
  Hi Andrea,

You can disregard the whole "joke" thing. Mark Feldstein's comments are right on target. Too many times young people feel that they "must decide" on a career immediately. When you do that, you put a lot of opportunities out of your thought processes. Whatever you choose as your vocation, a background in business administration is well used. Most Photographers work for themselves. You need business essentials to be able to set prices, run your business and make money, know whether changes you make are good or bad for your business.

I know that most young people generally do not look at a job or career with those things in mind. I have taught at Purdue and have counselled many young people (and some not so young).

Whatever you choose to do, do it with a good understanding of what it takes to be successful, but most importantly, be passionate about the field you choose.


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4/23/2006 4:47:55 PM

 
Andrea Jimenez   Well iīm giving it a lot of thougt of what iīm going to do when I grow up, of course I think about the money, but first of all I want to find somenthing that I really like and that I would enjoy and be passioned about, because I donīt want to be unhappy at work like my parents right now. The thing is that that I donīt really know what I like to do, I mean, at school I have a perfect score in every subject but that is just because I like getting good grades, so this is not helping me at all cause I donīt know for sure what iīm best at!, Also Venezuelan schools are very different than US ones, just because we canīt choose what subjects are we going to study, we also donīt have photography, film, etc. and our art classes are way different. Most of all and like any other teenager I love music but I have 0 talent, so my carrer choices until now are, photography, film makin, pycology, architecture... Right now iīm just exploring my options! and if I canīt get experience from it well that would it be just great!


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4/23/2006 5:16:54 PM

 
Andrea Jimenez   For Mark H, My first camera was a fisher price when I was only 7, it was given to my for christmas, I asked for it. Then I loose my interest for a long time, until my 15 birthday (here we celebrate 15 instead of 16) when I request a camera, my parents gave me a pocket camera, lol was very small of a local brand, Siragon, of 3.2 megapixeles... Of course I got tired of it because the quality photo sucked, now iīm the veeeryy proud owner of a sony cyber-shoy DSC-W7 with 7.2 megapixeles =D... I love her more than my parents lol, I take it everywhere!!


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4/23/2006 5:25:35 PM

 
  Andrea;

Seeing your last post Makes me thing that you may not be ready to make a career choice just yet. My advice is this.

Practice with your camera. Enjoy your youth. Be yourself. Try new things.

When you are ready, you will know what you want to do.

Both Mark and Jim are right on target.

I am sorry about the joke. That's for both you and Mark.

Have fun and keep shooting,
Mark H.


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4/23/2006 5:25:56 PM

 
  I wish cameras like that were around when I got my start. And see Mark, I misspell, too.


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4/23/2006 5:29:27 PM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Getting back to reality for a moment (although I only like to go there as a tourist), aside from "porfolios" which was a typo in my original answer, what else was there?? [I know how to spel porfulyos)

Seriously...I GOTTA KNOW !!!!! ;>) Did I REALLY make a mistake? First time for everything, I guess.

We're old friends Andrea and just kidding around with each other, it's got nothing to do with you.

To answer your question, I've been a photojournalist for over 20 years. Here's a suggestion for you: See if you can find a local photographer or two that you can observe working, like shooting portraits, doing some product photography and maybe a wedding or two. If you're interested in photojournalism or documentary photography, do the same thing with a photographer or two from a local newspaper(s). Spend a whole day with them and see what it's like. On the one hand you may be completely bored half to death. On the other, you may really get into it.

One last suggestion for now, is that if you find something that you're really interested in pursuing (even just for now) get a magazine subscription or two to a professional trade publication in that area of work. Like for photojournalism and commercial photography, I'd recommend you look at Photo District News. "PDN.com" And if you want more, let me know.

Be well gang.
MF


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4/23/2006 6:48:14 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  Mark F,
In your third paragraph, you misspelled "require".

Here's a funny anecdote: When I read this question earlier today, my first thought was, "Hey, Mark Feldstein had a great answer to a similar career question just recently. I should cut & paste his answer here (and give him proper credit, of course!) But then the phone rang, and then we left to attend the French Quarter Festival. By the time I sat back down at my computer tonight, I found that you had indeed taken care of business, and posted the very answer I was thinking of.

Great advice, as always.

Chris


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4/23/2006 7:36:39 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Funny she dosen't speak english very well but she knows how to use the word "sucked" really well.

Quinceanera


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4/23/2006 8:50:15 PM

 

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  Well, I think you spell persevere as perservere. At least that;s the way I learned it.


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4/23/2006 11:35:30 PM

 
Robyn Mackenzie
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/21/2005
  You guys are a hoot!!! When it comes to spelling, you should try being an Australian (or a New Zealander, or a South African, for that matter) - we still use "Australian" English (which is mostly "English" English), but the spread of American spelling is so insidious that now I have to stop and think about how to spell words that I never had a problem with years ago!

What can I say - it's Monday evening here, and no finalists yet...

Andrea, good luck with all your photographic endeavours - enjoy yourself! I wish I spoke ANY foreign language as well as you speak English!

PS: Where I come from, persevere is spelt persevere... :o)


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4/24/2006 12:39:42 AM

 

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  G'Day Mate


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4/24/2006 7:01:40 AM

 
Kerry L. Walker   "until my 15 birthday (here we celebrate 15 instead of 16)"

When you get to be my age you celebrate the fact that you're still having birthdays!


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4/24/2006 9:05:05 AM

 
Sharon  Day
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/27/2004
  BP is really entertaining today! Mark F didn't "misspell" anything. He made a typo. Not exactly the same thing. A misspelled word would imply he didn't know how to spell the word which I'm positive isn't the case.


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4/24/2006 9:11:10 AM

 
Kerry L. Walker   Well, he still nedes to git a spall chekr so he can smell lik me!


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4/24/2006 9:13:58 AM

 
  wer al gud et mispelin an t wey. I abuse gudder ennglisch reel wall twooo.


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4/24/2006 1:06:55 PM

 
Kerry L. Walker   Andrea, I just want to let you know we aren't making fun of you. For someone who's native language is Spanish, your English is very good. We do, however, love to make fun of each other.


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4/24/2006 2:11:19 PM

 
T. Frates   Once you decide if you're serious about it or not... check out this school...
The Hallmark Institute of Photography in Turners Falls Massachusetts. It's worth the money. You'll learn EVERY aspect of photography and business you'll need. If you still want it after going thru this school... then you'll never give up.


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4/24/2006 2:58:27 PM

 
Andrea Jimenez   For Kerry W: itīs ok I know you are not making fun of me, as the matter of fact iīve enjoy myself reading... lol.
Thanks God you are only reading and not hearing me, because my pronunciation really "suck" (yeah I know how to use the word, and many more! lol) iīve learned most of the language by watching t.v. and by listening songs, the problem is that sometimes I know the word but I donīt know how to spell it!...

For T.F.! hey thanks iīm going to look up for that on the internet, the thing is that I must get a scolarship beacause I think my parents wonīt be able to affort a U.S college.. and I also must get a student visa..!, ..You know my cousins and their parents got the greencard, the are know living in miami and both of them got a scolarship,(so odd by the way, because the were lousy students here)..

... I donīt want to go to college here, althougt we have great ones and I loove my country I feel like I need more!...


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4/24/2006 7:27:55 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  hello doc.
i kinda missed you.


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4/24/2006 9:36:27 PM

 
Kerry L. Walker   Sam, maybe so, maybe not, but it sure is a fun thread.


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4/25/2006 6:38:33 AM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  Sam, I don't think so.

Mark H. - "Well, I think you spell persevere as perservere. At least that;s the way I learned it."

Nope, sorry, it's persevere.


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4/25/2006 8:09:42 AM

 
Kerry L. Walker   Actually, in Southernspeak, it's "Keep on Truckin'".


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4/25/2006 8:14:46 AM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  Laissez le bon temps roulet, cher!


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4/25/2006 8:29:08 AM

 
Kerry L. Walker   Mais oui mon ami!


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4/25/2006 8:30:59 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  Hey Kerry, in my old neighborhood, when a kid reached 16 and got a drivers license, we called that a "Car Mitzvah".

Can you get a spell check program to use when you respond to something on line?

Thank you Chris.
Thanks Sharon (Nice to see the wonderfulness of your face, btw).
Nite kids.
Mark


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4/29/2006 7:12:59 PM

 
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