BetterPhoto Q&A
Category: New Questions

Photography Question 
Craig  Paulsen
 

researched out, decided on the MarkIIn over the 5D


I have checked and compared and talked to other pro's and I'm sold on the MarkIIn.
The MarkIIn is just better for business. One great thing of many is that I can record in Raw on 1 chip while I record on Jpeg on a another. What is this good for? When I go to make the slideshow that plays during the reception(highlights of the day)I don't have to seperate raw and jpeg and wait. I just pop in my JPEG card and Im off looking for 50 pics to show my work(great advertisment) and the bride and groom get a sneak peak at their special day.

One interesting thing is that the 20d is better in lowlight conditions than the MarkIIn or the 5D. So I'll hang on to those babies


To love this question, log in above
2/13/2006 10:28:53 AM

 

BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/28/2003
  You don't need JPEG to do slide shows. I do them all the time straight from my RAW files.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 11:52:37 AM

 

BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/28/2003
  Also, have you thought about the weight? I know a few wedding guys who have the Mark II, Mark II N, DS Mark II, and 5D, and only now shoot with the 5D due to it's outstanding performance, and it's light weight body.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 11:55:05 AM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  I don't know, Craig. Don't you typically shoot several thousand pictures per wedding?

Do you think 8.5fps is fast enough for you??


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 12:09:29 PM

 

BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/28/2003
  spray and pray, baby.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 12:46:27 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Jerry,

I like the JPEG, it loads faster. And the faster I get the slide show up the more air time I get. Right after dinner I bring out the laptop. Do your self a favor and cover the keyboard with something. Sometimes people forget their drink on the table next to it.

Chris
Myself, I shoot an average of 750. My second shooter about 1000. Some are for insurance in case someone blinks or if the hug, tears,laughing etc... last longer than normal. I don't need the fast frames, but sometimes I get great sequence shots because of it (you know some things happen in a blink of an eye).

I spent almost the whole day and in the end the full sensor was the only bait on the 5D, the MarkIIn had so many more treats. The weight doesn't bother me, just have to go to the gym more. By the way, last time I was at the airport I checked the weight on my photobag with all the goodies(44pounds)! I feel like a Wedding Marine with all that on my back.

The price is more, but as I was told(you make it back quick).

A marketer told me that I should tac on an extra $1000 every year to my pakage.

Someone just told me that someone booked a $50,000 wedding(probably a movie or rock star)


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 1:07:11 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  Elvis?


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 1:40:01 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   is he still dead?


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 1:47:00 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  just crying and tagging along.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 2:11:13 PM

 

BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/28/2003
  "I like the JPEG, it loads faster."

Craig, this is what I love about you, you're just full of facts.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 2:13:29 PM

 

BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/28/2003
  he's alive, I saw him in vegas recently.


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 3:30:37 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Jerry,

Are you saying you can download a Raw file faster than a JPEG?

Just what I know, no facts. Maybe I should call over geeks-on-wheels! Help me, Help me


To love this comment, log in above
2/13/2006 5:24:40 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   do you know Jerry, or are you just jerking my chain?


From my experience it takes about 3sec for a Raw file (which I shoot almost 200 per card). Thats 10 minutes I don't want to waste(JPEGs are instant). Now if you have a faster way please share.


To love this comment, log in above
2/14/2006 10:57:58 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  Maybe that information requires i.d. to be shown first.


To love this comment, log in above
2/14/2006 8:52:33 PM

 
David E. Anderson   It seems that jpegs are just more manageble and if a mistake is made there is backup...Its always nice to have a jpeg for preview before you put in time processing as well, from my experience, although I dont shoot weddings I assist in both the studio and on location. What program Craig are you using to do your slide shows? Have you tried Adobe Lightroom Yet? I havent had time to mess with it...


To love this comment, log in above
2/15/2006 11:53:13 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Jerry, are you being selfish? Or did you tell a fib?

David, I use proshowproducer


To love this comment, log in above
2/16/2006 9:57:31 AM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Well, I guess I was right.

Anyway, about the 5D, a negative that I didn't like about the 5D was the slow flash-sync speed of just 1/200sec. Also , no weather sealing or second card slot. Not very rugged.
Judging by the natural progression of image quality, I bet the replacement of the 20D will be pretty darn close to the 5D and will presumably cost considerably less.


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 3:20:29 PM

 
Deborah Liperote
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/8/2006
  hey Craig did you hear of any replacement for the 20d. I'm ready to purchase the 20d but am waiting for the pma 2006 to see what anouncements there may be. I like the 20 d but it is heavy! and I wish it had a little larger viewing screen.


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 5:11:35 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  "Well, I guess I was right."

Not usually.

The 30D was announced today, and looks to be the replacement for the 20D. It's body looks a little more like the 5D, but it uses the same sensor and processor as the 20D. It does have a larger viewing screen, though.

Craig -- How do you see a flash sync speed of 1/200 as slow, and a negative? What sync speed would make you happy?


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 5:17:24 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  #1 that's pretty fast and why does it matter. doesn't canon have the high speed flash sync enabling like the 580EX to sync at all speeds including 1/4000. I mean if you're in a studio with a full set of 4 or 5 lights are you really working with things faster than 1/200? even on water droplets the flash freezes the action anyways.


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 5:32:26 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   "Well, I guess I was right." - For Jerry

NASCAR Baby! Its the need for speed

20D is a good buy, I have 2 of them. Just being patient :)
They didn't put a flash on the 5D to make it look more of a pro camera, I'm already used to cropping so I don't need to throw down the extra $2000

Yes Usually


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 5:42:02 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  200th snyc speed is okay. 250 would be better.


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 8:17:45 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  Craig, as usual, you avoid actually answering the question.

For all practical purposes, saying "Camera A is better than Camera B because it has a 1/250 sync speed instead of a 1/200 sync" is not much different than saying "Camera A is better than Camera B because it weighs only 1.7 pounds instead of 1.8 pounds."

"I'm already used to cropping so I don't need to throw down the extra $2000"

Wait a minute. You started this thread saying that you had chosen the Mark IIn over the 5D, now it sounds like you're choosing the 20D over the 5D. What gives?


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 8:42:48 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  My questions are rhetorical, of course. I don't really expect to get an answer.

We all know what this thread is, don't we? It's another one of our little friend's attempts to spout off about which expensive camera he's going to get next.

Just like all of his other characters like to do.


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 8:51:40 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  well he's already got 2 1Ds Mk II's and 2 times every L lens ever made. what would make you grab a 20D over a 1Ds Mk II anyways?

and wait..hey chris, he needs the extra third stop in flash sync for nascar? now granted i've never shot nascar but I don't really see using flash unless at night for nascar? maybe i'd approach it different, how would you?


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 8:55:02 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  A camera with a 250 sync would be better. That's a 25% increase, which would be a nice amount of decrease in ghost images. That'd be a noticeable difference when you look at the pictures. Anything else he said, isn't he supposed to be the surfing carpenter?


To love this comment, log in above
2/21/2006 8:56:27 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   what in the world are you talking about?

I was comparing according to closeness in the prices between the two, but realized that the 5D wasn't worth the extra money so I started comparing it to the 20D and came to the conclusion that, because I'm so use to shooting a little extra on the sides for the purpose of croping that the full sensor didn't do it for me. Now if I had to I would buy the 30D, but I can wait a little longer. I think with digital it would almost be better to lease, which I'm checking into.

Now go do the right thing! Heard


To love this comment, log in above
2/22/2006 4:29:43 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   It's almost like you guys have a gang. If you don't like someone that is better than you, then you try to scare them off. It ain't workin, so give it up.


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 2:40:45 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  wow he's better than all of us. well i'm not saying i'm better than you but even if I was I wouldn't be boasting it. get your ego some ridillin.


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 2:45:29 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   LOL


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 3:10:53 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Maybe I should pay someone to pat me on the back :)


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 3:30:21 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  LOL you don't need to you seem to do it yourself! lol haha you're too funny!


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 3:35:23 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   Hey Chris and Gregory


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 5:29:50 PM

 
Craig  Paulsen   made ya look


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 7:17:23 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  I can't compete. I only have one account . . . and one personality.


To love this comment, log in above
2/23/2006 8:38:40 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  funny thread for sure. So? who like the 30D? I do!
but I still aint buying it.... cant afford it..lol
Craig-


To love this comment, log in above
2/24/2006 8:27:01 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  funny thread for sure. So? who like the 30D? I do!
but I still aint buying it.... cant afford it..lol
Craig-


To love this comment, log in above
2/24/2006 8:27:05 AM

 
Log in to respond or ask your own question.