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Bonita M. Fils
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/15/2005
 

$200 A Day Taking Photographs


Has anyone had any experience with ad, "EARN $200+ PER DAY TAKING SIMPLE PHOTOGRAPHS LIKE THESE IN YOUR LOCAL AREA!" It's sells as a course manual that is downloaded for $39.95. I am curious but don't want to be taken again like that picture.com bull.


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1/20/2006 11:19:33 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  It seems to me that you could send them an e-mail asking specifically what you need to do for the $200 bucks per day, if it's payable to anyone, AND who owns the rights to the photos after they're submitted and what the submission requirements are specifically.

THEN ask for some references and contact them.

At that point you should have a pretty clear idea of who or what you'd be dealing with before dropping $40 bucks on materials.

It could well be that the people selling the manual don't even accept photos, but rather the manual directs you to some outfits who may do so.
Seewhatimeanhuh?
Take it light.
Mark


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1/20/2006 11:53:21 AM

 
Brendan Knell
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/17/2005
  I was looking into something where, you stuffed envelopes for a company for like 10$ a letter. Supposedly it was cheaper to do this than rent office space and still pay people. It turned out that you had to put out ads for the company, and the only letters you could stuff were the ones for the business that you generated for the company.


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1/20/2006 4:31:35 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   good day all!
I have a company called Halladaze Photography in which a photographer can make on average $200 a day. There is a $50 membership fee and additional fees for materials (about $33). The photographers take the pictures, collect their money and only pay for the materials that they need. Digital camera is required and lap top is preferred. We also have a award program and give consultant (not employee) references for our photographers. This is a great way to get your foot in the door. If you are interested, please contact me at JHall_photography@yahoo.com (this keeps our costs to our consultants down) Looking forward to hearing from you!


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1/26/2006 4:16:54 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   Actually, it isn't a day, it is more like 4 hours for $200.
I don't know how to tell you that this isn't a scam.
If you don't have a digital camera, don't have or can't rent a laptop, or get on the net and do not have a backdrop, this is not the opportunity for you. Other wise, this is a GREAT and FUN line of photography for anyone with a people loving personality, who can MANAGE their own business.

JoAnne


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1/26/2006 4:20:35 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  JoAnne - so you are saying that you honestly make about $200 per four hour day? I would like more details... and I think that enough people on here would agree that maybe you should share your information on this site.


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1/26/2006 4:34:16 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   If I tell you the program, I wouldn't have a business. Sometimes you have to invest in yourself. I am as honest as it gets. All I have said it true. If it were any other way, I would not have set the realistic expectation of the equipment that you will need. I would have said anyone can do this you, sold you a bunch of junk ideas and then told you about the equipment you will need. I believe that if I assist people in making their dreams come true, so will mine. I look for people who don't expect money to fall from the sky, that are willing to work for 4 good hours, people who have people loving personalities and can manage their own business, with the required equipment. That is all. If you don't match what I look for, I will not take your member fee of $50 or sell you any of my company marketing materials.


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1/26/2006 5:06:30 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I guess I just don't understand why it hurts your business to tell a lot of people about it at once... as opposed to telling us all seperately. Oh well. Thanks for your input, though. It's good to know that somebody is doing it and succeeding.


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1/26/2006 5:16:08 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   If you had a great idea, company and held the market on it (no one else was doing it) would you yell it from the roof tops so everyone was out there doing it? I wouldn't. I can also keep the integrity of my business by being selective about who I let in. If there were knock off companies trying to do the same thing and they were not honest, it would make my company look bad. It is like a franchise, but not. Photographer does not pay franchise fees. Where as anyone opening up a Subway does. You can use your own company name and pricing if you so choose. I am just here for business plan, marketing materials and consultations. I know what works for us locally and am looking to branch out into other markets. If you are qualified and would like to talk email me at jhall_photography@yahoo.com


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1/26/2006 5:29:43 PM

 
William K. Shank   The one I happened to look into was where you go around and take photos of property for a loan, a house being sold, a piece of leased equipment so the company knows the and keep track of the condition it is in.


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1/26/2006 5:30:05 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   This isn't anything like that....you own all rights to your photos. It is NOT financial or real estate based.


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1/26/2006 5:35:26 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  wouldn't get the $50 if she told you, or $83.


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1/26/2006 8:17:23 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   I guess I don't understand what you are saying Gregory?


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1/27/2006 5:24:44 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   If everytime someone lifted their hand out to you, you bit it, you would never know if they were going to pat you on the head. I bet you miss a lot of pats.


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1/27/2006 5:52:38 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   http://www.jhallphotography.com/index.html


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1/27/2006 5:53:20 PM

 
Sheldon L
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/20/2006
  Hmmm, excuse me for being a tad unconvinced and cynical but:

a "digital camera" is required. No mention of what standard/level of digital camera. One assumes therefore that any old digital will do, and that resolution therefore isn't important.
Samples of work are to be submitted. No mention of size, resolution. One assumes (again) that resolution isn't important. A further assumption, to my mind, is that the photographs needed in this venture (and therefore the fact someone is a "freelance photographer") aren't all that important, so I wonder what is.
And without knowing the economic situation in my town; the population of my town; the number of photographers in my town; the range of services said photographers offer in my town, and the demographics of business v residential in my town, you know how much money I can make per hour? Hmmmmmm.

regards,
S.G.


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1/27/2006 8:52:24 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  If somebody stuck their hand out, I asked them why, and they said pay me and I'll tell you, wouldn't get any pats.
Thought of a new term that may or may not be a real word, talking in vaguegalities. You get offended when you offer a link to a website that has a section titled "about us", and it inform anybody "about us". Just makes the same claim of we'll tell you later and if you send the money, we'll send the stuff you need to get started taking pictures of the stuff we can't tell you about.
Got a question, may be so simple it might offend you again. What do your freelancers take pictures of?
But it really only sounds like you pay the money for the secret stuff, and it tells you how to go to other businesses and try to generate takers for getting their picture taken so they can get their image put on business cards, brochures, etc... Guess that's why you need a backdrop.
So if that's true, I'm not seeing the big need to pay somebody to have them tell me that I can go to businesses and ask them about taking their picture to get put on marketing material. Straight hiring somebody for that is different. $200 for 4 hours, take a snap shot and email it someplace, and in a few weeks business cards and brochures come back for the customer. That's fine. But don't ask me to pay $100 for you to tell me that's what I can do to make money taking pictures.
Might be past your elbow by now.


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1/27/2006 9:32:15 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  "...that has a section titled "about us", and it inform anybody "about us"."

should say dosen't inform anybody.


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1/27/2006 9:35:55 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   I ask for samples of 4 pics, so that I see what you enjoy taking pictures of. I am looking for people who enjoy taking pictures of people. This isn't about business to business at all. Economic factors do play in for our freelancers. If you live in a secluded igloo, the odds are that this is not for you. You digital camera is completely up to you. If your pictures are grainey, you will not make good sales. I prefer a 4 pt or better. I offer a good and honest opportunity. A trade secret is what you pay for. I can see that by what you have deducted from the information on the web site that you still have no concept of what that trade secret is. That is what is making this so successful for our freelancers. It is ok with me if you doubt it. This is simply not for you.


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1/28/2006 5:14:26 AM

 
JoAnne  Hall   I ask for samples of 4 pics, so that I see what you enjoy taking pictures of. I am looking for people who enjoy taking pictures of people. This isn't about business to business at all. Economic factors do play in for our freelancers. If you live in a secluded igloo, the odds are that this is not for you. You digital camera is completely up to you. If your pictures are grainey, you will not make good sales. I prefer a 4 pt or better. I offer a good and honest opportunity. A trade secret is what you pay for. I can see that by what you have deducted from the information on the web site that you still have no concept of what that trade secret is. That is what is making this so successful for our freelancers. It is ok with me if you doubt it. This is simply not for you.


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1/28/2006 5:14:26 AM

 
JoAnne  Hall   I ask for samples of 4 pics, so that I see what you enjoy taking pictures of. I am looking for people who enjoy taking pictures of people. This isn't about business to business at all. Economic factors do play in for our freelancers. If you live in a secluded igloo, the odds are that this is not for you. You digital camera is completely up to you. If your pictures are grainey, you will not make good sales. I prefer a 4 pt or better. I offer a good and honest opportunity. A trade secret is what you pay for. I can see that by what you have deducted from the information on the web site that you still have no concept of what that trade secret is. That is what is making this so successful for our freelancers. It is ok with me if you doubt it. This is simply not for you.


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1/28/2006 5:14:26 AM

 
JoAnne  Hall   I ask for samples of 4 pics, so that I see what you enjoy taking pictures of. I am looking for people who enjoy taking pictures of people. This isn't about business to business at all. Economic factors do play in for our freelancers. If you live in a secluded igloo, the odds are that this is not for you. You digital camera is completely up to you. If your pictures are grainey, you will not make good sales. I prefer a 4 pt or better. I offer a good and honest opportunity. A trade secret is what you pay for. I can see that by what you have deducted from the information on the web site that you still have no concept of what that trade secret is. That is what is making this so successful for our freelancers. It is ok with me if you doubt it. This is simply not for you.


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1/28/2006 5:14:26 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Also a tad suspicious. Jo-anne I see you've only been on Betterphoto since 24/1/2006 - and have posted one pic!!Is this possibly a 'fishing' trip? Don't want to offend, but too many of us have been scammed by people registering at BP, and then looking to 'hook' the entire data-base - I mean its got to be a good database to feed off? Also, on URL at the bottom, you have a link to "
click here for The ONLY site YOU WILL ever really need!" this took me straigh to "http://www.amazingbible.org/" what on earth has one to do with the other - this sounds really fishy to me.


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1/28/2006 6:22:12 AM

 
JoAnne  Hall   To be quite frank, I run a business. I was just referred to Betterphoto.com relating to the contest. I only entered one piece of work to that contest.
I found a conversation that relates to one of the divisions of my business. I joined in. It saddens me that so many people seem to be out there scamming you. I can't change that.
As for the ONLY site YOU WILL ever really need, this is my Christian business not the government or the state and what I stand for and believe in will be included in my site.

I wish you all the best.


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1/28/2006 6:40:50 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  "I can see that by what you have deducted from the information on the web site that you still have no concept of what that trade secret is."

That's because your website dosen't provide any information. Except for give me over $100 and I'll tell you a secret.


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1/28/2006 12:37:25 PM

 
Bonita M. Fils
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/15/2005
  JoAnn, I originally started this post to find out some info on an ad I saw online. This has turned into a business ad for you. I think we all agree that something sounds strange your biz op. Please tell everyone what the opportunity involves or leave this posting for info related to my question. Nothing personal.


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1/28/2006 6:59:27 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  to the original question, seen ads like that, never felt it was worth the looking at. Have you ever applied for a job that you had to buy something as a pre-requisite for getting hired? What kind of simple pictures were they anyway?


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1/29/2006 12:40:01 AM

 
Michael  F   I am new brand new to BP, so excuse me for jumping in. For those you you old enough to remember. Your pitch sounds like an old prymid company called Amway. I don't mean to bad mouth you or offend any one. (if you know anything about Amway).


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1/29/2006 12:45:56 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Hey Greg and all - just had an idea, for the very special price (hurry while offer lasts) of $75.00 - if you send me the money, I will send you the answer to all your life's problems, from how to keep your partner happy, how to keep those pesky fleas off your dog, how to always shoot at the right exposure, WITHOUT using 'P', and how to stay fit, young and healthy WITHOUT putting your foot in the gym, buying expensive creams, or taking all those vitamins which create expensive urine. But hurry, this offer is only open to a very select few - the first 5000 people to send me their cheque, will ALSO receive a gift in the post, valued at $50 - but I can't tell you what it is, or else you'll also cotton on! But...... NEVER EVER stuff another envelope, or work for a boss again! Hurry while stocks last!


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1/29/2006 1:19:01 AM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  I have a real question for you JoAnne... if you're still here. Is there really nothing more you can say without us giving you money? Have you told us all that you can? And if that's the case... how do you ever get people into this business with you? Because I still have absolutely no sense of what your business is about except that you take pictures. I just feel like there must be something more you can tell us without giving away your secret.


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1/29/2006 3:36:45 AM

 
Bob Cammarata
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/17/2003
  The most profitable commodity in the business world is information,..."How-To Suceed" type stuff.
After the initial startup costs, telling folks how to achieve a particular goal is far more lucrative than actually getting out there and pounding the pavements yourself.
That is all JoAnne is doing. If her idea IS unique and it works, she has every right to ask us to pay to take a peek...and many will.


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1/29/2006 6:51:05 AM

 
Sheldon L
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/20/2006
  well Bob, you're right to a point . . . in reality, even if the idea ISN'T unique and DOESN'T work, she still has every right to ask us to pay to take a peek . . . and we have every right to think it's a scam.

I note with interest that there has been some qualifications to the $200 claim made in this forum that do not appear on their website, so instantly there is proof that the website is not truthful if your definition of truthful includes telling all there is to tell ( I refer to the qualification made in this forum concerning living in an isolated location, a qualification ignored in their website's silly $200-a-day-claim ).

The other qualification stated here but not evident on their wegbsite concerns their opinion on "grainy" photos. Say what? If the only technical requirement is photos that aren't too "grainy", then two things spring to mind: one, although this person wants photographers, they know nothing about photography, and two, they obviously have a secret that does not rely on "good" photos (only ones that are not too "grainy").

Well, for those who want to waste their money on this one, when they've finished, I've got this beaut bridge for sale . . .
regards,
S.G.


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1/29/2006 7:20:31 AM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  and while we're at it I've got some

"ocean front property in arizona. if you'll buy that, i'll throw the golden gate in free!"

SO the only thing you need not do is have grainy photos. I've seen some pretty damn bad photos without a spec of grain and some pretty damn good photos shot at 6400.


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1/29/2006 7:47:15 AM

 
Pete H
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/9/2005
  "If everyone knew such and such, then it ain't so by at least ten thousand to one!" LOL

People..People..Please!

You are all smarter than this.

While I wil not infringe on anyone's right to make an honest dollar; we have all seen these get rich quick schemes.

Lemme' put it another way.
I am a real estate investor. Everything I do is above board and legal.
ALL my contracts with clients are full of "subject to" clauses. (i.e).."I will buy "subject to" my business partners approval." etc... This leaves me an out. I use plenty of them for financial protection.

Remember these little phrases:

"Your mileage may vary."
"Not typical results"
"Actors appearing in this advertisement have been compensated"

Do you want to make $200 dollars a day in photography?
Write me. All that is required is a yr of your time, business course work and/or common sense....Hard work..More hard work..and then some hard work.
Did I mention hard work?
Oh..and I won't charge you a dime!

It seems so many want easy street..the quick buck. Few want to put in what is REALLY required to be successful.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but there are no magic formulas, tricks or fast tracks to the top. If you believe there is, start buying lottery tickets.


Pete


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1/29/2006 8:03:08 PM

 
Christopher A. Vedros
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/14/2005
  I have an excellent money-making plan for anyone who is interested. For the low-low price of $49.95, I will share this valuable information with you. You can easily make money in the comfort of your home.

This will be more effective, of course, when I make the flashy commercial with lots of paid testimonials (actual results may vary).

I assure you, though, that I am selling a real money-making business plan here.

In fact, I will share my business plan with my BP friends here for free. Why not? If there's a sucker born every minute, there are plenty potential customers out there for all of us.

When someone sends you $49.95 (and they will), send them a copy of this business plan:

Plan -- All you need to do to set up your successful business is advertise that you have a money-making business plan that you will sell for $49.95. When someone sends you the money, you send them this plan.

You see, it's foolproof. My plan is that you send me money. In return, I sell you "my plan". All you need to do to make money is find someone as gullible as you are that will buy "the plan" from you.

What do you think???


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1/29/2006 10:02:02 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  why do you need a plan to put an ad in the local paper? just put in an ad, saying something like, :Free lance Photographer for hire. Selling a car, boat, home or motorcycle? need Pictures of property for Insurance purposes? need to place a singles ad on line but dont have a good picture to use? Give me a call, I have the equipment and Know-how to do the job right!
and then watch the calls come flying in...lol
now wheres my 50 bucks? c'mon.. I have all your names on file as oweing me 50 bucks each!
Robyn, Gregory,Chris,pete, justin, danielle.. yes Even you Joanne H.
lol
Craig-


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1/30/2006 10:00:11 AM

 
Brenda  D. 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/27/2005
  did anyone think to go to her site and see what shes offering, I did just to find out she wanted to know more about me amd the last four digits of my SS# no thanks. ever heard if identity theft?


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1/30/2006 12:05:02 PM

 
JoAnne  Hall   Ok, I have a lot of consultants that I deal with and a PIN or Last four of Social Security is a very common request. I run a real business here. In order to steal your identity I would need your DOB and full social security number, neither of which we request.

I was not on the grassy knoll in Texas either.

I have thought of ways to "show" you this is legitimate and short of you voting on a person here that you trust and me giving it to them for their comment and no details, we (Management team) can't find a way as we are sure that you would believe we 'planted' that person. Any suggestions?


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1/30/2006 12:38:57 PM

 
Danielle E. Rutter
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/4/2006
  If you really want to go that way... I'd say that as long as you chose to divulge in someone who has been around awhile we could trust that it wasn't a plant. I haven't personally been here long enough to tell you who those people are but I do know that I see Justin and Greg around a lot.


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1/30/2006 1:46:59 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
gregorylagrange.org
  Why is show in quotations? Pick anybody here to tell. Cause I don't think anybody's going to open their wallet anyway.


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1/30/2006 2:04:18 PM

 
Justin G.
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2004
  Well I personally could care less about this, I'm not all into those get rich quick schemes, I'd rather go to work and earn my money that to try to cheat in life. There are no shortcuts is what I believe. Anyways I don't get the whole you have to have a digital thing, and "no grainy photos" or whatever that is. So i'm guessing that if you have a cheap little 1-2MP camera then that's fine but lets say someone has pro lenses and uses pro film, that's not good enough? Shoot my camera has a 1.3MP digital camera on it, send me the details I'll for sure join! pssh.


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1/30/2006 2:33:38 PM

 
Pete H
BetterPhoto Member Since: 8/9/2005
  Well; if you are seeking an unbiased opinion, why not contact the owner of this website. Ask him to look it over.
I'm not sure if Jim would as it might be a conflict of interest.

2) Giving away your "program" to several people is probably the way to go if you seek to get it off the ground. Testimonials are great. Just make sure they are credible and verifiable.

3) Post your 1099 from your biz in PDF...let people see how successful YOU are.

I would not be a good candidate to evaluate your program. As I stated earlier, I do not believe in shortcuts, limited knowledge in a field, the "anybody can do this" mentality, and ANY get rich quick scheme.

I am not saying your program is crap.What I am saying is I've seen thousands of "programs" like this in many fields..and I've yet to see one work.
Guess I'm old fashioned in this regard.
I believe the road to success is paved with the following,
1) Hard Work
2) Dedication
3) Passion
4) Knowledge
5) Business sense
6) Perseverance
7) Ethical business practices
8) Sales & marketing basics (+advanced)
9) Positive attitude!

Remove on of these and we are doomed to fail. To achieve all of the above requires one thing that remains a precious commodity to me..TIME!

Pete


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1/30/2006 6:22:22 PM

 
Mike smith   The answer to the original question is yes you can make that much in a large city. You can do it without spending money on the course. It will involve legwork, but insurance agents, auto dealers, etc. sometimes outsource photogs for this. Would I try it? No, it is something anyone can do, just a point-and-shoot kind of thing. These people just typically don't have the time to travel or whatever to take photos.

Example - You make a contact with Ditech, someone wants a loan in your area. You go and measure the dimensions of the home, and snap a few shots, and make a package, send it to ditech, and you get a check. How much? not sure, but if you do enough in a day, you make $200.

I didn't buy the plan, but it is the plan.

As for this other person, there are a few options. Setting up at local fairs/events, flea markets, a sidewalk vendor type situation, are just a few. The fact that you need a backdrop lets you know it is either portraits (people or pets), or that it is product, most likely though people/pets.

You can make a deal with a local vet orpet shop, advertise, and make $200 in one day taking pet photos. However, you wont make it everyday.

Furthermore, the laptop issue leads me to believe you either print on the spot, or make CD's for the customer. Joanne, I may not have it 100% correct, but it is close.

Another option, you can take fine works in your favorite subject, and sell it to publishers, galleries, etc. You can make $200 a day again, but also again, not everyday.


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2/5/2006 10:13:19 AM

 
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