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Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
 

Selective Colouring


 
 
There must be a PS expert out there who can tell me and another BP'er how to do this? Is it selective colouring? Can it be done in Elements as well as Paint Shop Pro? Any help would be great. Now lets hope I can upload the example pic!!


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1/18/2006 3:42:14 AM

 
John Rhodes
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/24/2005
  Robyn, check the archives on this technique by entering "selective coloring" in the search QnA box.

Basically, you add a duplicate layer and remove the color; then, by careful erasing, remove the portion of the dup. layer to reveal the color.

John


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1/18/2006 5:56:04 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks John - wasn't sure if it was selective colouring - I'll go a-huntin'! Regards Robyn


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1/18/2006 8:52:49 AM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
 
 
 
I'm using Elements 2.0... I don't know if this is the best way to do it, but on this pic it was color & I used the magic wand tool to select the areas I wanted b&w, then did "remove color". A little different effect than the square inset that's color in your sample, so maybe the technique depends on what effect you want. Plus I'm just stabbing in the dark w/ PS trying to learn as I go :)


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1/18/2006 9:44:22 AM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  You can accomplish this by simply:
- select a rectangle area inside the image
- select inverse
- desaturate

If you would like a solid border line, then lift the inner image, add border, then layer the inner image back (desaturate or sepia the original image first), and flatten.

I have a slightly modified version: Click here to view.


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1/18/2006 10:55:48 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Denyse & Nobi - I'll print this off and try it - Nobi you make it sound so easy :) !!


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1/18/2006 11:55:24 AM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Nobi- cool, thanks... how do you "lift" the inner image and do the border? I've looked all over the program & can't figure that part out. (the rectangle marquee tool / inverse / remove color thing works great...)

What does flatten do?


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1/18/2006 12:15:05 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
 
 
  Rogers mustang
Rogers mustang
all layers, the engin, the car and the mustang grill emblem. ps cs2 just fooling around with "layers" last night.
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flatten is when youre working with multiple layers.. after you get the pic to look just the way you want it, you have to :flatten: it so its all one pic. if you dont, youll only be able to save it as a PS file and youll never see the whole thing. put it this way, if you drew a circle on a papre, then drew a smaller one on another piece of clear and layed it on the first, youd see both circles but f you picked it up it would fall apart and youd still have two seperate pieces of paper but if you "flatten: it, you can pick it up as one and still see both circles. owch my brain hurts now!

it looks like the layer in the center of his pic has maybe a drop shadow applied to it? its all about the layers. like this thing I threw together for a buddy of mine.


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1/18/2006 1:08:04 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  That 'threw together' thing is what bites my bum Craig - coz you know I'm cerebrally challenged when it comes to PS!! The last thing I 'threw together' was my outfit as I hurtled out the door this morning - gosh.... late for a change! I'm going to print this thread this weekend and CONCENTRATE!!!


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1/18/2006 1:13:10 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
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  lol Robyn... its not that hard, when you open up a pic in PS, go to view, then select layers, now the layers screen will be open just push it all the way to the upper left corner of your screen and leave it there. hen go to layers and select make a new copy, now youll see the copy layer above the original layer in the layers window in the upper left corner of your screen. Now, be sure its highlighted in the layers screen, now look up at the top of the main screen and it should say something like "layer copy" or jpeg blah blah copy.. thats how you know your working on the copy and not the original. now go and desaturate the copy layer.. then choose youe reaser tool and start erasing whatever you want to be in color, when you do this, the colored layer (original) layer thats hiding under the desaturated copy layer, will show through. when your done, just go and hit flatten and it will be your finished pic. thats the long of it, the short of it is using layer masks which I still dont really have a good grasp on yet. lol
hopefully, youll get it.. just keep playing with the layers till you know what all the adjustments do, and please dont show this to anyone if you print it out, I have the worst spelling in the free world.
Craig-


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1/18/2006 4:20:34 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Craig :) Sounds fairly straight forward - will post a result asap!


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1/18/2006 9:09:36 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Robyn, how did it turn out?
I just worked out a sample with a black border as I described above...


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1/28/2006 9:00:13 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
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1/28/2006 9:00:59 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Craig described how to do the selective coloring.

And this is not really selective coloring. This is how to duplicate your attached photo where it has the inner image within the whole. This is actually a lot simpler and easier than real selective coloring.


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1/28/2006 9:13:05 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Ok guys, I printed it all off and followed yr instruction - Craig I worked out that inverse/deselect thing, and Nobi I tried yours as well, but how do you :"If you would like a solid border line, then lift the inner image, add border, then layer the inner image back (desaturate or sepia the original image first), and flatten" I can't get the solid border line, and don't know how to 'lift' the image. I drew a rectangle around it, cropped it, made a new layer of the crop (!)Jeez but this is hard.... and then said resize canvas (which is how I've been putting my border on - and I'm sure its all wrong!!! But when I said flatten I only had the cropped image - Grrrrrr - I feel so cerbrally challenged. Will keep goin tho. I've PS Elements on my desktop (and Paint Shop Pro)- which is where my ADSL is, and CS on my laptop - but for the moment, I need to work on the desktop, as the laptop is 'full' and takes forever! Thanks guys


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1/29/2006 2:10:16 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
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Ok, I've muddle through on my own, making lots of layers and pulling them across - when I framed the 2 smaller pix in lilac and dragged them into the main pic, the frame came out white - HUH?? Anyway, I'm getting there - but actually have no bladdy idea how!!


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1/29/2006 2:49:50 AM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  It's always hard to listen to two different people talk... :) When that happens too me, tbey become all noise...

Looks like you accomplished your original intent of creating an inner colored frame with the outer image desaturated, like the image you originally attached.

Sorry about the lack of info on some of things I wrote. Reading thru this, Denyse also asked about how to add a solid black border.. I will get back to this a bit later.


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1/29/2006 11:41:52 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Nobi - my pink 'frame' was by using 'stroke' I think, but its not solid. So yes, any other tips would be great when you have a mo! In the meantime, I've been having fun with PS and some selective colouring and filters - its my weekend of flowers - they've been u/l to my gallery! THanks again for all your help (you too Craig :) )


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1/29/2006 11:50:50 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/3/2005
  Robyn, I sent you an e-mail this morning...did you get it yet? let me know!
Craig-


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1/29/2006 12:13:51 PM

 
TJ Joesph   Hi robyn,

the easiest way to selective color is select, image, adjust, desaturate.

then simply use the history brush tool to "scratch" of the b/w layer allowing the original colors to "bleed through.

ps....was that at roger waters concert??

TJ


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1/29/2006 12:45:08 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Denyse, (I don’t know if you are still following this or not… ) and Robyn, ...about drawing the solid black border on the inner frame:
Whether right way or wrong, I don’t know, but these are the steps I used. (Disclaimer: I am NO PS EXPERT)

- duplicate the image. (this is after you already duplicated the original once. Motto is never to work on the original.)
- define the rectangle area that becomes the inner frame and crop out the outer.
- CNTL D to deselect the rectangle marquee.

- Under the Image option, select “Canvas Size”.
- Increase the frame by about 8 pixels on both width and height.
For a thick border, add larger number of pixels.
- select the “Canvas extension color” black.
Note that you can select any color that best suit to the image you are working on.
- press “OK”, and voila, you have the black border with 8-pixel thickness.
(Above 4 steps are generally used to create various borders with different options.)

- CNTL A (or Select -> All) to select the entire frame
- CNTL C to copy (or Edit -> Copy)

- move over to the original copy
- Select Image -> Adjustment -> Desaturate
- CNTL V to paste (or Edit -> Paste)
Voila, you have the inner frame in color with the black border and the outer area desaturated.

- If all’s OK, flatten the layers, Layer -> Flatten Image
- Save as Tiff and/or JPG


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1/29/2006 6:56:49 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Just woke up - thanks Nobi, will copy this off and try it tonight. Craig, sometimes when someone tries to email me via the BP contact me button, I cannot pick it up at home, but I'm sure it'll be on the server when I get to work (sometimes socks in the washing machine and emails/cyberspace have a lot in common!!) will check just now and let you know - Thanks TJ, no its a South African group, Watershed - they're really GREAT!


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1/29/2006 9:03:05 PM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
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  Hey Robin, dont worry about it.. here's what I have for you.
Open the image file, create a new layer copy, use the square (or circle) marquee tool and make your frame in the part of the pic you want. then go to selection, click on "Inverse" then go to image>adjust>desaturate, now, the image should be in B&W AROUND the square and INSIDE the square should be in color.. Now go back to "Selection" and hit "Inverse" again then go back to "Selection" and click "modify>border, and set a pixel width .(i use 25) and then you can use "Edit>fill>(and pick you frame color) or you can even use tha paint brush tool to fill it in. then "Deselect" and you should have it. Once you hit "Inverse" the second time, you have selected only whats inside youe frame, you can then do whatever you want there, sepia tone, blur, sharpen..whatever, just the same as when you hit "Inverse" the first time, instead of desaturate, you can blur, recolor it..sky's the limit.
any questions, e-mail me.
Craig-


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1/30/2006 4:36:16 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
 
 
 
Hey Craig it worked - thanks to you and Nobi - I really appreciate you guys taking the time. I've just d/l the tutorial you emailed me, and voila - just played with this one at the office - can't wait to get home and PLAY!!!


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1/31/2006 1:52:53 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
 
 
 
Ok, I think I'm getting there - thank you so much!!


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1/31/2006 10:15:19 AM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Great!!!

btw, if you use the stroke command (you said you used it earlier), the border seems to come out as a solid line. I don't know why the border option comes out a little a fuzzy. Craig may be able to explain...
On your concert image, the soft line seems to work good, too.


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1/31/2006 10:31:00 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
  Thanks Nobi. Still getting the hang of it - I might have done my Blur, AFTER the frame - bit stupid! I also think the stroke makes it more solid. I'll keep trying and post some successes, but thanks a mil guys :)


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1/31/2006 11:36:08 AM

 
Craig m. Zacarelli
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  cool... see? it insint hard to do, just hard to explain!
lol
craig-


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1/31/2006 12:46:20 PM

 
Dr Silly
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  This the first time I saw this question.
You can do this in Elements. If you would like a good book on effects get Scott Kerby's book Down and Dirty Tricks, he has a ver for PSE3 and for PSCS. Most of the effects in my gallery came from his book. :o)


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1/31/2006 1:12:03 PM

 
Denyse Clark
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/2/2002
  Nobi,
Hi, I hadn't been reading, but I just checked in and I'm glad I did. I'll try your step by step instructions!


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1/31/2006 2:51:23 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/31/2003
  Hi Denyse,
Use Craig's steps for more simplicity. It works... only part I would change (for my preference) would be to use the Edit>Stroke command instead of Select>Modify>Border.


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1/31/2006 8:31:00 PM

 
Robyn Gwilt
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Here is another attempt, but Nobi, even using the Stroke command, and using 'normal' 'hard light' it still is not totally solid. Any suggestions


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1/31/2006 9:50:21 PM

 
Dr Silly
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Robyn here are tosamples of photos I did just for samples. Do not Have time to directions right now but will sent later.


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2/1/2006 2:46:48 AM

 
Dr Silly
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  Do not know how to get photos here, they are the first 2 in my gallery. E-mail if this is what you are looking for and I will send directions. :o)


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2/1/2006 2:52:26 AM

 
Robyn Gwilt
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/15/2005
 
 
 
Doc, you gotta be fully signed in, then go look through the 'questions' thread till you find the one you looking for, click on it, and only then can you upload - irritating, but thats how it is. I just played around some more, I think I'm starting to cook :) Thanks to you all!!


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2/1/2006 11:47:09 AM

 
Dr Silly
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  Hard choice Robyn, I Like the band photo, but the green tint makes it if'e for me. I think you did a good job on both of them. To make a angle frame make your frame using a Polygonal lasso tool.

Doc


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2/1/2006 1:35:18 PM

 
Nobu Nagase
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  I love what you did with the band photo, too. I like the zoom effect a lot in this.

Speaking of amateurish, I have one and even posted it... I used Canvas Size 4 times on this one to create the border, click here.
The drawing had purple color in it, and I added Pink and White border to make it the monthly theme motif.


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2/2/2006 8:31:51 AM

 
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