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Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 

STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY:PART 8 FROM IDEA TO REALITY


STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY: PART 8 A REALITY AND THEN SOME : GOES THROUGH STUDIO SET UP , INTO THE OPERATIONS OF DOING THE BUSINESS OF STUDIO PHOTOGRAPHY
This is now part #8 of the on going Thread on Studio Photography.
From start to finish we discuss Buying equipment,Setting up your Studio(home or moblie) and the Business of..

Grab a cup of coffee(or...) and catch up and join us, here are the other links:
PART1:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=17534
PART 2:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=18585
PART3:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=19127
PART 4:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=19665
PART 5: http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=20008

PART #6:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=20255

PART #7:http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=20455

GEEZ, YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE DATE-IT ONLY TOOK YOU A WEEK TO FILL THIS THREAD!! IT IS GREAT WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE JOINING IN AND ADDING SO MUCH FUN!!!!


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11/23/2005 6:16:30 AM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  Checking in and posting my question again on posing 16 month old twins...

I would like any help possible on ideas for posing/controlling my twin nieces. They are very mobile and I am hoping to get a good portrait of them together.

One I idea I have is to use my daughter's rocking horse for one or both of them. It's a plush, fairly large horse and can fit both of the comfortably. I am hoping that giving them something to do together might capture their attention.


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11/23/2005 6:32:28 AM

 
Angela K. Harter   i like that idea! bet you could get a really good candid one too:)


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11/23/2005 6:35:23 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I think one of Debby's suggestions for young children are "holding" props. .. so the rocking horse might be a good one . .. the problem I have with stuff like that is then they fuss over who is in front, who is driving(I have a little tractor), etc. LOL . . .

Oh and I'm checking in too!


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11/23/2005 6:42:30 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
  TOYS FOR TOTS
TOYS FOR TOTS
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  WHAT A GROUP!!!!
WHAT A GROUP!!!!
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  HAPPY MARINES
HAPPY MARINES
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  NO, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT ONE HOME!!!
NO, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT ONE HOME!!!
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TOM EMAIL ME I WILL CALL YA.

I WANTED TO POST THE FIRST PORTRAITS ON THIS THREAD. IT STARTING THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND ALL.
WHAT A WONDERFUL GROUP OF PEOPLE- NO MATTER THE PROBLEMS ON THE COURSE (IT WAS A CHARITY GOLF TOURNAMENT) OR AT THE BANQUET THESE PEOPLE NEVER COMPLAIN, THEY ALWATYS LOOK AT THE GOOD THAT COMES FROM THIS EVENT AND HAVE SOOO MUCH FUN.
THIS SHOULD BE HOW WE LOOK AT EVERY JOB!!! FIND SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR AND HAPPY ABOUT.

**TO ALL OF YOU, HAPPY THANKSGIVING**


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11/23/2005 6:43:00 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Yes a very Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here. . .

Things I'm thankful for .. .

to have the confidence I have now to do what I am doing . ..

and. . .

so thankful my own children are not 2 any more hehehe


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11/23/2005 6:48:50 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  GUYS PLEASE TRY NOT TO THINK SO MUCH ABOUT THE PROBLEMS!!
IF THEY FIGHT OVER HOW GETS TO BE IN A PROP- OR WHO GETS TO BE IN FRONT -THAT IS BETTER FOR YOU...WHY?

BECAUSE YOUU HAVE THEIR ATTENTION-SOLUTION-TELL THEM OK, YOU HELP ME BY SAYING WHAT I TELL YOU REAL NICE, AN DI WILL TAKE A SPECIAL PICTURE OF EACH ONE OF YOU....OK SAY STINKY FEET!

YOU HAVE YOUR SHOT-TWO HAPPY KIDS AND YOU CAN THEN HOLD THEIR ATTENTION AND GET THE SINGLE SHOTS(THE APPROVALS)


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11/23/2005 6:50:30 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  OH, AND WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE TEMPLETES LIZA MADE FOR THIS EVENT.
SO WONDERFUL- BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE BUT ONLY ONE OF THOSE..:-(

BUT, IT IS THE CUTE ONE, YEAH!!!

WILL BE POSTING THEM SOON.

LIZA IS SOOO WONDERFUL!!

OH AN D BETSY WHERE ARE YOU???
YA OUT THERE???


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11/23/2005 6:56:25 AM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Just checking in. Don't want to miss anything. Have a great weekend!!


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11/23/2005 7:01:13 AM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  I can see that sharing the prop can give an opportunity for them to focus...I like that. I also will see if my sister has a sled for the two of them we can setup on my "snow."

Debby, I can see you are crazy busy today but I will email you when I am off work a little later this morning in case you get a second to call, thanks for the offer.


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11/23/2005 7:02:29 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  hello everyone, and happy thanksgiving from me too!
Glad to see a new thread, that one did go fast, and it was my first!
Just wanted to check in and get on the list...
Tom, what about books? just a thought
I love the horse idea too, sounds like a winner


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11/23/2005 7:21:54 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Tom, I just realized you said the twins were 16 months...I think that is a bit more challenging. I do think Debby is the expert here. I have a nearly 18 month old boy and he is a challenge to photograph. I pretty much have to take his cues, and I have not tried putting him in front of a backdrop since he started walking. When I want pics of him, I take him outside and follow him around, he does much better and will even stop and smile just for me here and there...
just my two cents...wishing you the most of luck though, you can do it!


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11/23/2005 7:25:47 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hey all, just checking in! I need to go get coffee...someone I know kept me up til almost midnight! LOL! Thanks for the chat, Debby!!!!!!


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11/23/2005 7:30:51 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  WELL AT LEAST YOU WENT TO BED WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE,LOL,LOL,LOL
OH, THE REST OF YOU GET YOUR MINDS OUT OF THE GUTTER-LOL
I WAS SOOO TIRED ,I WAS STILL GIGGLING ABOTU STUPID STUFF WHEN WE WENT TO BED-I THINK GREG ROLLED OVER IN HOPES I WOULD SHUT UP!
NO CHANCE HAD TO WIND DOWN- ANOTHER 20 MINS DID IT-THAT AND NO ONE TO BUG,LOL


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11/23/2005 7:37:07 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  I'm so glad to see a thread #8. Slow poke dial up is terrible.

I'm going back to the other thread for a moment. Andrea, there is an author named Scott Kelby who writes great books on Photoshop. He has them available for all the different versions. There is one called Down & Dirty Tricks. It is by far my favorite. I personally don't recall a book dedicated to collages, but he does touch upon this to some extent.

Debby, I owe you a phone call, I'll try to get one in before your company gets there.

Alright everyone, eat turkey, give thanks, and enjoy your families.


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11/23/2005 7:57:37 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Okay .. . I have had intentions on asking this question here and cannot remember if I ever did and looking back through the threads quickly I did not see it .. . soooo . . . if it's a repeat I apologize. . .

Anyway . . .

When someone is wanting an enlargement like an 11x14 or larger. . . at what percentage when I view the image in my PS program is it an accurate representation of what the printed images looks like .. .

I printed off an 8x10 of an image on my own computer and then viewed what was pretty close in size (of heads, etc) and the percentage was between 33 and 50%. So if I view my 11x14 file or 16x20 file at 33 and 50% and it looks good then will it print good?

The Nebraska family was supposed to give me their order on Monday .. . but I guess they aren't agreeing on some things .. .not sure if it's the size/package or what . .. or if the dad saw the prices or what .. the mom was all set to order . . . and then never called. . . they've been having phoneline issues and I've been having internet issues . .. anyway she emailed this morning and said they would take the weekend to decide. .. which is fine . . .but I'm just not sure what is going on . . . if they don't want the 16x20 it will actually be somewhat of a relief LOL . .. but I've worked up the files for that size and it's frustrating then when they change their minds. So this brings me to my next question . . .

At what resolution does everyone save your files? I usually do all my adjustments and then crop to an 8x12 and save as a TIFF .. . that way I can print anything lower than that from that file . . .if I know they are wanting 11x14 or in this case 16x20 then that is how I crop and save. . . I put 250DPI in because that is what MPix prints at . . . but I've heard lots of variables on that and MPix said I can leave that box blank . . but even when I do it still assigns a value to the image when I go in and check it under the Imgage>resize option . .. my images come from my camera at 3008x2000 @ 72 dpi . .. I guess I just need to invest the time/money and do some experimenting. . . which I don't mind doing in regards to the prints but hate paying the shipping. If/when I ever get our family pictures taken perhaps I can do this to them LOL . ..


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11/23/2005 8:51:28 AM

 
Sandra 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/31/2002
  WISHING YOU ALL A HAPPY AND SAFE THANKSGIVING!!!


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11/23/2005 9:08:35 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  My computer is down at home! ugh! Hopefully I will be up and running again this weekend. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!


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11/23/2005 9:14:37 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  HEY TONYA,
I HAD TO LOOK AT THE SHOT YOU WORTE ME ABOUT-COULDN'T STAND IT.
WELL THAT SHOT HAD TO BE TAKEN THAT WAY -THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS WRONG:
EYE LEVEL-BACAUSE OF THE MIRRORED WALLSTHE FLASH WOULD HAVE BOUNCED BACK AT MY LENS, SO I TOOK THE SHOT FROM WAY BELOW EYE LEVEL.
TWO NOT ANGLED-I TOOK THE SHOT QUICK, HE TRYED TO THROUGH THE BEAR DOWN WHEN HE SAW THE CAMERA ON HIM.LOL.
SHADOW IN BACK: THIS ROOM IS A FEW SIDES OF MIRRORED WALLS- AND HIGH CEALINGS- SO YOU COULDN'T BOUNCE THE LIGHT OFF THE CEALING, AND YOU COULD NOT DIRRECT YOUR FLASH AT HIM(MIRRORS) FLASH WOULD HAVE BOUNCED BACK INTO LENS,
SO IT IS ONE OF THOSE YOU JUST TAKE IT QUICK-TO SAY YOU GOT IT-AND TOO HAVE SOMETHING TO SNEEK TO THE SARGENT, SO HE CAN SNEEK IT ON TO THE WALL OF THE RECRUITING OFFICE,LOL,LOL(GREAT IDEA HUH?)
OK THERE YOU GO-SO GLAD I LOOKED.

HEY , WHEN EVER YOU DO THESE SPECIAL YEARLY EVENTS-DON'T WORRY ABOUT PERFECT!
JUST GET A LOT TO MAKE THEM SMILE-THEY WILL REMEMBER YOU FOR THE SMILES YOU GIVE THEM-FAR MORE THEN ANY PERFECTIONS!


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11/23/2005 10:50:40 AM

 
Angela K. Harter   well, i'm off for the weekend:) I will miss all of you will i'm gone! (what am I going to do without this thread for 4 days?:() HAVE A WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!!! see you, or should I say type to ya on monday!


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11/23/2005 2:17:26 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Well things definately seemed quite and now I know why. Thanks liza, I am going to the book store tomorrow I'll check it out.
Does anyone else think the kids that are hardest to get a good picture of are your own?


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11/23/2005 4:34:32 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Debbie, thanks for explaining, it help to see what you see. I hope you did not think I was beng critical in any way, I was just curious about the shadow, mainly because it is my peeve at the moment. It is good to know it happens even to the best of us. I totally understand about just getting the shot, that is worth a million alone, a marine with a teddy bear....gives those marines a soft side we don't often see.
thanks again, hope I did not make you to crazy about it.;)


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11/23/2005 5:21:55 PM

 
Kelly R. Theobald  
 
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Hello! I saw thread 8 started and Tom had recommended that I post a picture so you can see where I'm starting at and hopefully be able to give me some guidence. I took this picture recently but I don't really like it and it seems that my lighting is to harsh and not flattering.

Debby, I saw some of your pics in your gallery and I love the one titled waiting. When you say hand painted soft focus, what exactly did you do to the photo? I'll e-mail my number.

I'm also having problems with getting a white backdrop to look white. I've tried putting the light so it is in front of the backdrop but don't know how you can hide it from being in the pictures.


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11/23/2005 7:21:54 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Tonya,
no, you did not make me to crazy- I felt you had something to point out and a good question-so, I just couldn't wait.
You can ask me anything you want I will try to get you guys a goos answer.

Kelly,
there is no PS work on "waiting " at all. the painting was on a uv lens to make it soft focus. Most things in my gallery do not have ps effects-I try to make note of it if they do have (I will go back and check to make sure everything has a note by friday) most portrait work is straight from the camera, because what I do post is trying to give examples of "shot to print" waiting was done with a soft focus lens 100mm with soft lighting and diffusion filters.
thank you for taking the time to look though.
and I would love to help with your lighting just email me with a number.
best wishes and a happy holiday


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11/23/2005 9:32:59 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
 
 
 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone . ..

I spent the morning putting up my Christmas Tree. .. I dont' normally do it til T-giving Day but I have 3 sittings this weekend and just wanted it done .. . still have the mess to clean up now UGH!!

My email appears to finally be working .. . thank you to Sandr and Tonya for sending me test emails... I JUST GOT THEM tonight!!! Anyway ... Laura I sent you an email with that family picture in it so let me know if it went. My Norton rejected two but didn't tell me which one it was. GRRRR

I had a family sitting this afternoon . ..I swear I'm going backwards. .. I just couldn't get them posed like I wanted. .. and the kids kept doing this goofy stuff with their head and eyes. .. and were stiff stiff stiff. .. tried to be goofy and get them to relax but it wasn't that successful .. here are a couple of the ones that I felt were the best. ..

Anyway . . .hope everyone has a great Turkey Day! :-)


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11/23/2005 10:57:28 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
 
 
 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone . ..

I spent the morning putting up my Christmas Tree. .. I dont' normally do it til T-giving Day but I have 3 sittings this weekend and just wanted it done .. . still have the mess to clean up now UGH!!

My email appears to finally be working .. . thank you to Sandr and Tonya for sending me test emails... I JUST GOT THEM tonight!!! Anyway ... Laura I sent you an email with that family picture in it so let me know if it went. My Norton rejected two but didn't tell me which one it was. GRRRR

I had a family sitting this afternoon . ..I swear I'm going backwards. .. I just couldn't get them posed like I wanted. .. and the kids kept doing this goofy stuff with their head and eyes. .. and were stiff stiff stiff. .. tried to be goofy and get them to relax but it wasn't that successful .. here are a couple of the ones that I felt were the best. ..

Anyway . . .hope everyone has a great Turkey Day! :-)


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11/23/2005 10:58:06 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Michelle, I think the family pics look good, they may look a little stiff, but I may not have noticed if you had not said anything, some people just can't relax good in front of the camera. My husband and the men in his family are like that, they hate having pictures taken and they hate having a photographer tell them to "do this" and "look that way", it makes them very uncomfortable. Anyway, they look good, the family should be pleased.


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11/24/2005 6:46:42 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Thanks Tonya. . . I just can't shake the uneasy feelings ever since my episode with the mother of the 5 kids who was very critical of every look and smile.. . the mom above was super nice but I swear sometimes it's the older kids and the dad's(no offense Tom and the other men here) that make it the worse. .. The oldest daughter would look straight on at the camera and kept having this head tilt with her eyes looking like she was looking at you sideways, the brother had glasses that mom was having a fit over because he wouldn't push them up so in a couple they are not "square" with his eyes, the 3rd girl had hair that kept kind of flipping out although she was definitely the most photogenic and the youngest they said didn't have a natural smile and so the dad was trying to say goofy things to make her laugh and then they would all laugh and doing this doubling over laughing thing instead of sitting up and taking the picture. . . it wasn't this way in all of them, but it was just getting tiresome after awhile . . .and honestly they were a good family to work with but all very different in their mannerisms. . . plus the ages(and their sizes) being so varied made it hard for me to pose them so everyone was as visible as I would have liked. .. I had to fix glass glare on the mom's glasses in every one . . no matter how she put her head, glasses, my flash angle, camera it seemed to be there until we did the ones of her and her husband and they were down low and I was shooting down and then it was much better. .. so I hope she likes that . .. I am not even going to tell her I fixed it and just see if she even notices. . . I showed her a quick look in the camera so she could kind of see smiles,expressions, etc and so the glass glare was there but it wasn't really bad so I am probably the one who notices it the most. I even changed a smile on one and eyes on one and I'm not even going to mention it because when you do then they start hunting for things(I'm learning my lessons I hope LOL)


I'd better get up and going . .. my house is a pit!!!


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11/24/2005 7:15:45 AM

 
Betsy Labuschagne
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/3/2005
 
 
 
Hi Debby and everyone!!

I'm still lurking, can't keep up with you guys!!

Tom, I'm glad you're getting more time for your passion. Your christmas portraits look GREAT!!

I have had a good response from previous customers for christmas portraits. I'll try to post some.


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11/24/2005 9:28:04 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Betsy,
How can I get my son an appointment with this VERY talented PHOTOGRAPHER!!!
lol, I just want you to know these are beautiful, I love them. the lighting is perfect and the one where he is looking at you is full eyes.
I hope you are very happy with them.
thanks for stickin' around.
looking forward to more...


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11/24/2005 9:50:06 AM

 
Betsy Labuschagne
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/3/2005
  Debby,

You're too sweet! Thanks for commenting and so promptly too! :-)


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11/24/2005 11:25:44 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Beautiful job Michelle and Betsy! I've loaded my recent holiday shoot onto my web site if anyone wants to take a peek. It's at Hood 1

Hope everyone is having a great Thanksgiving!!


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11/24/2005 4:13:02 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I hope everyone is stuffed and happy. I've had a couple family pictures lately. They went pretty well let me know what ya think. With the first shoot I had a real hard time getting the 4 months olds attention. Even with a sqeaky toy, she just thought her feet were the collest things ever. I 'll post the other one after I ps them.


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11/24/2005 8:01:35 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
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OPPS, forgot pics


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11/24/2005 8:02:14 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  I guess I'm the only one up in the wee hours of the morning! I have a question for you PS pros. I am trying to do a christmas card, never done in ps and all I want to do is transfer a picture on to my templet. Everytime I move it over it is way too big. I can't adjust the picture size to fit my 4x8. I hope this makes sense. Maybe I should just go to bed, it is 4 in the morn!!!


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11/25/2005 3:00:19 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  HI Andrea. . . go into Image>resize> and enter in the closest you can get to a 4x6 and make sure the constrain box is checked(which might make your image come out to an odd size around 4x6). Thenn select the image and click copy . . . and transfer to your template. . . this should be fairly close . . . if it doesn't work then go back and undo the resize and change it again. usually a 4x6 will work for me though.


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11/25/2005 4:06:41 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi All! Andrea, All I do is open the pic, using the move tool (crossed arrows) click and drag the image onto your card, then zoom way out til you see the whole picture box, you should get a box around the large image, just click the corner and drag down and reposition it on your card.

I used to do it the way Michelle suggested, too, but it was much more time consuming to have to keep going back to resize, and even then, sometimes it still didn't fit like it should.

Just click, drag, zoom out, resize and reposition. That should do it!


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11/25/2005 7:31:10 AM

 
Pat Wimpee   Hi Andrea, What version are you working with. Mine is under transform and then you chose scale. Laura is right, but I think all of the versions, if you hold the shift key down while you are dragging the arrow to resize , it keeps it in the correct proportions so the people don''t end up weird shaped.


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11/25/2005 7:53:08 AM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/7/2005
  Andrea,
I loooovvveee the coloring on photo #4. What settings did you use to achieve that???

Cyndee ><>


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11/25/2005 8:48:57 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
  Morning everyone, hope everyone had a happy turkey day, I am posting some pics that I practiced with this past week, any critique/comments please would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

Debbie.


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11/25/2005 8:58:08 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
 
 
 
Ok, forgot to sign in, here goes...


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11/25/2005 9:00:07 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
 
 
 
trying again..


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11/25/2005 9:26:26 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
  Having trouble getting pics to thread, would appreciate it if you guys could look in my gallery... Thanks


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11/25/2005 9:38:14 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
  Ok, so I don't know why the lighting on the middle pic is so bad, it doesn't look like that when I look at it... arghhh


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11/25/2005 10:43:51 AM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Andrea,
I too love the coloring on picture #4. What did you do to create this look?

Debbie,
My favorite is Sophie. Yes, some look dark, but that could be my monitor. What did you use for a backdrop? I have a large black sheet and some black velvet. Which would the best choice?
Debbie N


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11/25/2005 12:14:05 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Okay ... another shoot done and gone . .. and it was a COLD one .. .we started at 9:00ish with about 26 degrees outside. . . luckily the sun was shining for warmth .. . but there was a haze in the air so a few of the pics aren't as sharp as I wanted them to be plus the group was 11 people on some and that pushes my limits a bit . . . anyway . .. most of them are in my gallery . . . too many to upload here.. . They were all real good . . . but I have to say my posing was the most creative . . . the youngest one was getting cold and tired very quickly so I didn't want to do too much moving around so I stuck to the basics but I think they will be happy . . . had to do some eye switches and like I've said before . . .I just didnt' even tell them so then they aren't looking . . . one of the men has really squinty eyes and no matter how or what that's how they looked so I'm not sure that family will like theirs but overall I think they will be pleased!

I didn't partake in any of the Black Friday sales. . . too much work to do ... anyone find some good bargains?


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11/25/2005 6:31:30 PM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
 
 
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I had a good session with my nieces today and even thought they were running in 2 directions most of the time my sister was happy with the portraits.
Thanks Debby for the advice, I was able to use a lot of it before the kids ran out of interest. I never got the "warm sisterly" shot but they were fun and the results were good. I did have one issue in that it seems my backlight was not firing today and altough it didn't hurt some shots it left some shadows on the backdrop occasionally.
In the end we never got to the sled but the individuals and family portraits made everyone happy and there was at least one of the twins together that was good. I will post a few here, including my daughter's from today. More at www.tomandchristine.com in the "Christmas Sittings" link.


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11/25/2005 6:55:24 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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  Tom your session looks like it went well . .. glad to hear it! I think next year I am going to have to just do more indoor stuff this time of year. . it just makes me so nervous worrying about the weather and stuff. .. but I just like the outdoor stuff because they are so much more relaxed and I don't feel props are as necessary! I'm supposed to do a sitting tomorrow afternoon and the weather is supposed to be 20-30 mph winds and then Sunday it' supposed to be rainy and cold . .. so both of those session have been moved indoors . .. and the one tomorrow has very curious children so it should be interesting . .. they are also somewhat large people and have 4 children ages 3 months, 15 months, 6yo and 10yo. . . sigh . .. I may need Prozac before it's over! LOL . . .


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11/25/2005 7:30:59 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
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Good evening everyone! Debbie and Cyndee thanks for the coments, that effect is pretty easy.
1st make a duplacate picture and then turn the top layer into sepia. I like to go to hue/saturation and check the colorize box then change the hue to about 25 and hit okay. Then in your box to the right you put the fill at about 70%. I hope that makes sense, if not let me know.
Thanks for everyone help on my ps question. I got it figured out I just need some more ideas on cards, sometimes I feel like I make tham too plain. I'll post them when I'm done.
Here are some pictures from my lastest shoot. It was too easy, everyone looked at my and just smiled. I didn't have to dance or anything!


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11/25/2005 7:56:00 PM

 
Debbie Nelson
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  Andrea,
Thanks for info for the #4 photo coloring.:) Also, my favorite from your last shoot is the one in the tall grass. Just love it!!
Deb


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11/25/2005 9:41:25 PM

 
Debbie Vega
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  Hey Debbie N, For my backdrop I had two black fleece blankets sewn together that I bought from Ross @ $10 each. Until I get my christmas present that was all I had to work with but they came out pretty good. I checked the pic in middle again and for some reason it is dark but not on camera or montor. Gotta fix that one.... They were all just for practice anyway but I still want them to be right. Happy picture taking..


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11/26/2005 6:56:18 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
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  Andrea, great shots! I like the one with the tall grass too, but they are all good.


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11/26/2005 4:48:25 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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Well. . .another shoot . . . I thought practice was supposed to make me better at this .. . I swear I just don't have it some days. .. This family is one I know and the children are all sweet but .. there's 4 of them .. .enough said. .. and even though they are sweet they really don't mind all that well . .. sooooo needless to say ... we got very few shots PERIOD. .. the 15month old got very upset and would not stop screaming and then the 3 month old got cranky but he finally fell asleep while we were trying to get the 15mo settled down .. . so got possibly 4 shots worth even trying to mess with . .. here is one . . . the lighting seems very uneven and the colors too because of the different shirts I guess. .. any suggestions on how to pose differently .. I only have one bench and it's not very large and as you can tell the parents are fairly large people . . . so my arrangement was far from what I wanted it to be but I didn't know how to really do it without covering up the little ones. ..


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11/26/2005 5:17:24 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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Okay .. here are the rest... did some finagling(sp?) I combined #004 and #005 with #008 and then put her glasses on her on #013A


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11/26/2005 7:29:50 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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Okay .. here are the rest... did some finagling(sp?) I combined #004 and #005 with #008 and then put her glasses on her on #013A


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hey all...thought you might want to see what i've been working on..all coments welcome!!


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11/27/2005 4:18:49 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
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  very very nice work constance!


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11/27/2005 4:45:20 PM

 
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11/27/2005 4:45:38 PM

 
Constance Kessel
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  oops sorry...they weren't there the first time!!
thanks tonya!
connie k


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11/27/2005 5:02:36 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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Hey Constance. . .the pics are really nice. . . the Gazebo one is my favorite. . .

Where is everyone???

I did another shoot today . . . it's amazing how good I feel when the kids cooperate. . . this is such a great family to work with as well . .. anyway .. here is the collage I've gotten so far. . .


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11/27/2005 5:06:27 PM

 
Michelle Ross
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And a couple more of my favorites. . .


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11/27/2005 5:14:01 PM

 
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I finally have my computer back!! Yippie!! Anyway need some help. My pictures are showing these spots on them. Me and My mom have the exact same camera that we bought at the same time about a month ago and they are showing up after using both cameras. I had my camera cleaned last week and it is still showing up. I know it is not the back drop because it is new and it has showed up on my new one and old one. Any way could it be my lights? I see a few specks on the bulbs that looks like it is coming from the inside of the bulb. I have had these lights for about 4 years and have not had this problem before. My mom found an article about sensor problems but don't you think it is a little odd that both cameras that were bought at the same time would be that way. I have posted a picture to see.


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11/27/2005 6:29:25 PM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  Melissa,
I have the same problem, and I have a canon 20d...I notice3d it really bad after I blew out my sensor with the mirror lockup thing. I used a rubber black bulb syringe, and then I remembered that my kids were playing with it one day, and maybe they put the end in her mouth. Lead me to think that maybe when I blew out the inside of the camera I transfered tiny black "wet marks" from the blub to the sensor. And I relized this after the 2nd time I blew it out. But the second time I blew it out it did get better...So after all that, try cleaning it again....and use PS in the meantime.
I still have to figure out how to get the remainder of the spots off. Once I do, I'll let you know...

Sorry for so much babble...
connie k


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11/27/2005 7:33:47 PM

 
Constance Kessel
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  ok-and another question...how do you guys get your collages and your christmas cards to look so darn good? :) Mine are ok...but nothing compares to the ones that you guys put up!! How do you resize the little pictures without distorting them in the collages? And where'd you get those cool snowflakes in the christmas card?OK-sorry...I'll go now...:)
connie k


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11/27/2005 7:41:31 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
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Hello everyone! I have been trying to do a x-mas card for my family and my kids would not copperate, so I'm trying to put something together. I was wondering if you all would tell me what you think. And I would love any suggestions or ideas to make it better.
One more question Why is it when I do these colleges in ps7 sometimes it won't give me the option to save it as a jpeg!
Sure is quite for a sunday, hope everyone had a good holiday weekend.


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11/27/2005 9:04:06 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I do hope you guys had a great holiday!!!
I am still awfully busy-but saw this post an dwanted you to know - we were getting black specks in the shots taken with the 20d's also.
took it in to Calumet, because I could not get it clean.
they said there that this happens alot with them, a lot.
he blew it out and did some more cleaning and then as he packed it in the bag-he said , it will only be back the first time you shoot again.
My Nikon d70 has been a daily shooter for over a year now and I have yet to have it cleaned out ?????
i don't really understand why the canon is so prone.
just wanter you to know it happens to us as well.
great shots everyone. will look morw tommorrow.
good night.


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Hi constance,
Press "V" and take the corners while holding down shift and your photos will transform without distortion.

As far as the snowflakes and other "clipart", do a search for "free dingbats" and you will discover a whole load of nice clipart for cards.

One thing that helps my collages is using the "bevels" tab under effects in PS (for photos or text). Another thing that has really helped my collages is using the opacity key. Anyway, hope this helps.

Andrea,
If you don't merge all your layers or flatten your image, you are unable to save it as a JPEG. For best results, save one under PSD for future reference, and for changing photos and text. Save another under JPEG with a photo fixed for clients to view.

Cyndee ><>


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11/27/2005 9:25:42 PM

 
Allen Staley   Hi All,

I'm one of those lurkers that have been here since thread #1. I really enjoy reading the posts and great info. but rarely have the time to post. One quick qestion for Debby T. or any one who might have some suggestions. Doing a family shoot with 30 people and would like some ideas as to how to pose other than the normal striaght lineup in single file rows, something creative other than triangle shapes. any ideas guys? Will be using 3 300W/s monolights with a softbox and two silver reflective umbrellas.

Thanks for your responses in advance.

Allen Staley


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11/28/2005 1:25:17 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Hi Constance, I don't know if this varies on different versions of PS, but this is where I get snowflakes.

I like to create a new layer for my snowflakes so that I can change them afterwards if I don't like them. Make sure your color is set on white. Go to the brush tool and click on it. Now look at the top where it shows your brush size and click on that. A big window will pop open showing various brush sizes. There will be a circle with a triangle in it at the top right of the window. click that. A list will pop up and you want to click on Assorted Brushes. Click Ok to the question that comes up. Go back to the top and click where you can decide on the brush size. This time when the window comes up, look for the snowflake or the star. Mine are located on the right side of the window. You can also decide on the size by sliding the slider. You can keep going back if the size isn't right. To get your original brushes back, follow the same process and when the list show, click Reset or Preset Brushes.


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11/28/2005 6:03:12 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  Good morning Liza!! I hope your feeling better, was going to call you later, but wanted to let you get up and see how ya felt.
Allen,
no problem- can you give me more info: relationships, how many seperate family units and adults& small kids.
this will really help in providing you a Graph of some sort.
thanks, Debby


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11/28/2005 6:21:27 AM

 
Debbie Vega
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  Morning everyone, hey Cyndee, how did you do that collage with all the little baby pictures. I have tried various different ways to get that and canot not do it. I ONLY HAVE ELEMENTS 2.0 RIGHT NOW BUT SOON IT'S CHRISTMAS..HA HA.

I would really appreciate any help you have as I would love to make one of those of my daughter. Congrats on the othe rcards too, they look fantastic....


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11/28/2005 7:00:33 AM

 
Michelle Ross
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  Hi Cyndee. . . I love yoru Chloe collage above . . what font did you use with it . . I love that font and don't seem to have it. . . I also like the way you gave it the embossed effect over the entire collage. . . how did you do that!

I have added some more to my gallery this morning . . . feel free to look !


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11/28/2005 8:02:19 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Looks like Scriptina. I found it on www.1001fonts.com It's what I use for my studio and on my site!


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11/28/2005 8:11:24 AM

 
Debbie Vega
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  Hey Laura, how did you download that font, I tried downloading a different one and it keeps popping up a winzip thing that you have to pay for?? What is this, do you know? Thanks Much.


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11/28/2005 8:51:57 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
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  Thanks for the response Constance and Debby. Debby have you had any problems with the Nikon? I am really thinking about taking my cannon back because I do not want to have to clean those spots up on every picture.


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11/28/2005 8:54:27 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  Hey Melissa,
good morning. no I have not had any problems with the Nikon D70.
I myself find I can leave the D70 out of it's case and just sitting around the house and it doesn't collect dust. But,the cannon 20d must not have as good of a seal connection to the lens.
hope this helps,
debby


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11/28/2005 9:21:40 AM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
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  Hi Debbie V. & Michelle,
I don't know much about PS2, but it seems like you should still be able to complete a collage.

For me, it takes a lot of resizing and guessing, honestly. I don't know if it's the easiest way, but I usually will make one shape out of the marquee tool (the one with a box or circle). Then, I copy and paste that shape as many times as needed. I guess and check several times before it gets perfect. Look at your tool bar on top when you click on the marquee tool and you may see different ways to mandate the shape. I just save as a template after that.

The font is Scriptina. It's easy to download if you have everything download to your desktop. That way, you don't have to worry about where to find it. You should be able to click on the download. If not, there may be something changed with your preferences. I couldn't help you past that.

The embossed effect comes from the "effects" tab under styles & effects. Just make sure the layer that you want embossed is highlighted and click on the clear emboss tool to your right. Hope that helps.
Cyndee ><>


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11/28/2005 9:27:41 AM

 
Debbie Vega
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  Hi, Cyndee, thatnks for the response. I tried downloading that font and it kept bringing up a winzip thing where I have to pay, is that true? As for the collage, I will try and do what you saif when baby goes to speep and I can have some peace and quiet. Thanks.


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11/28/2005 10:03:40 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
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  Debby & Melissa... I have actually had a problem with dust on the sensor and spots on my pictures for a while now. I've tried to clean it myself, but it only got worse. I need to bring it to the camera shop for a good cleaning soon, I guess!


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11/28/2005 10:14:01 AM

 
Glenn S. Bruno
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Hi everyone, hope you all had a happy thanksgiving! Thanks Alisha for pointing me to some terrific newborn poses, although, if I had my freaking eyes open, I would have seen the various pics posted all throughout the thread...LOL, dont know how I could of missed them. I now have a few posing ideas, and the tip about using a parent to support is a good idea Debby. I know that this thread is basicly about portraits, but I have some thoughts that might swim around the area. I find myself more into abstract photography, creative lighting. etc... have any of you implimented abstract shots into your portraits? I love trying (experimenting) and was wondering if anyone has found commercial success with more out there, arts-fartsy type portraits.

here is an example, I was trying to play with contrast. the lighting could of been better, but I was using only practicals IE: house lamps...
dont laugh, im a cheap skate, who can't afford a good light set-up right now...LOL


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11/28/2005 10:18:43 AM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
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  Debbie,
It shouldn't cost you a dime to download. If it does, try finding the font on another website. Did you try the one that Laura suggested?? That site is really great!
Cyndee ><>


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11/28/2005 10:19:00 AM

 
Michelle Ross
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  Woooo HOooo I got it downloaded. . finally figured it out . . . I have two font folders for some reason and I kept putting it in the wrong one . . but now it's right and I LOVE that font! Thanks Laura for the help!


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11/28/2005 11:09:25 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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Good Afternoon,
Well, I said I was trying to complete some research on getting you another option besides using Steve and Britek- for those of you who would like to look at other options.
I really like Britek and before I used them I used Photogenic in a few different Venues.
I have always loved Photogenic as a REALLY GOOD SOLID PRODUCT- but I could not recommend the new(affordable) kits until now.
I finally got my chance to sit down and talk at lenght with a member of Photogenic.
She told me the complaints they have had on the system( being cheap) is that the new line of Studio Max lights have gone to bare bulb(meaning the tube is exposed) this is found in : Britek, alien Bee, most lines ,even Calumet-Photogenic has always had a BIG heavy flash tube (and still offer it on the Pro Power lights) for more affordability they have now offered this type of system-lighter weight and Bare bulbed. These sets use the exact same accessories as all the other Pro Sets.
they are coming out with a "Studio Max "line of accessories- made a little lighter, not as tough as Photogenic Pro accessories(so I recommend the original assories and little larger price)- but cheaper and more obtainable to the Novice Studio Owner.
This is still good- meaning with out changing Brands, you can buy affordable and then upgrade- never changing Brands or systems until you are ready to upgrade your light head-and then: everything you own:
STILL FITS!!!
this is great news! after a very long talk- I am very jazzed about this new option.
here is a link to a seller on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Photogenic-StudioMax-III-AKC320K-2-Strobe-Light-Kit-NEW_W0QQitemZ7564792060QQcategoryZ30087QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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11/28/2005 11:36:39 AM

 
Andrea Tuft
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  Hey Cyndee! I thanks for your help. I flattened the image after I was done and it still wouldn't give me the jpeg option. Maybe I'm doind something else wrong.


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11/28/2005 11:37:53 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  andrea,
there should be a pull down list and the option for jpeg is in there-try saving again.
and see if you can find it in the list.


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11/28/2005 11:41:30 AM

 
Constance Kessel
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thank you michelle for your comment!!

thank you liza and cyndee for the great ps how to's-i can't wait to go try them!!

thanks for the info on the 20d black specs! what a pain! I do notice that it really only shows up on white though...one good thing I guess....isn't it amazing what we find out after we shell out all the cash?
thanks everyone....gonna go try all the new tricks!!


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11/28/2005 5:08:16 PM

 
Constance Kessel
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  thank you michelle for your comment!!

thank you liza and cyndee for the great ps how to's-i can't wait to go try them!!

thanks for the info on the 20d black specs! what a pain! I do notice that it really only shows up on white though...one good thing I guess....isn't it amazing what we find out after we shell out all the cash?
thanks everyone....gonna go try all the new tricks!!


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11/28/2005 5:08:32 PM

 
Liz Hincka   After a very long weekend off, I have returned to read up on where everyone is at. You have all been doing really great work. I am jealous as I have not done any projects over the Holiday. My lights are here and they have sat for the weekend. I just wanted to spend the time with my kids (twin 4 year olds, 7 and 10.) Wondering two things for anyone that can answer, there is a wedding pic in this thread that has a beautiful beveled edging, how is that done? Also, I can only get to this thread if I go to thread 7, and then find the thread number to 8 and manually put it in. This thread is not appearing in the Q& A area anymore for me. What am I missing? Thanks all, hope your Thanksgiving was wonderful!!


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11/28/2005 6:41:55 PM

 
Liz Hincka   okay, I figured out my question about where this thread is. I was looking in the digital Q&A. Sorry!!


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11/28/2005 6:44:57 PM

 
Lynn Snow
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Hi everyone!! Sorry I have not been able to keep up ith you guys much these days. I was wondering if I might get any feedback on some pictures I took for my best friend and her family. I spent 2 hours photographing her family last week, and she wasn't really happy with the group shots, the children w/grandparents shots, and the shots of her together with her parents. I took over 50 shots, but probably gave her about 30 proofs, just because of eyes being closed, etc. I told her I would do this for free as a friendly gesture, but it is now becoming more labor intensive than I ever thought. I would so appreciate any tips on how I might improve these. I used Debbys CD on posing, which by the way, are absolutely fantastic. The problem I had was that her parents are in their 80s and so they could only sit up on chairs for any posing. She also has a set of 10-year-old twins, so they are the same height. I am at a loss for how else I might pose them. She wants to redo the shoot on Wednesday, so ANY tips would be greatly appreciated.


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11/28/2005 7:12:11 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
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  It still won't give me the option. Only the psd's and tiff. This is what I'm doing- Create the collage with all the layers and then at the end I went to layer> flatten image and then save as. Is that right??


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11/28/2005 7:34:00 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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  lYNN,
pLEASE EMAIL ME A NUMBER AND I WILL HELP YOU WITH SOME POSING TIPS:
#1 IS PERFECT! REALLY BEAUTIFUL
#2 IS TOO SQUARE TO THE CAMERA- TRY TO ANGLE THEM A LITTLE AND IF GRANDMA WAS TO LEAN FORWARD YOU WOULD BE RID OF THE GLASS GLARE.THE POSE IS RIGHT EXCEPT THEY NEED TO BE ANGLED ANDEVERY ONE SHOULD LEAN FORWARD.
#3 I AM SORRY BUT THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE POSED BETTER-THE KIDS WERE LET TO LEAN TO MUCH AND THIS GIVES IT A SLOPPY LOOK.
ALL THIS CAN BE FIXED-BUT I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH AS FAR AS BENCHES AND STOOLS AND POSING BLOCKS.
I WOULD LOVE TO HELP YOU -TONIGHT OR TOMMORROW.
EMAIL ME AND I'LL CALL.


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11/28/2005 7:37:45 PM

 
Lynn Snow
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  Thanks Debby, I'll email my number to you.


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11/28/2005 9:59:19 PM

 
Allen Staley   Debby, thanks and I will have to get back with you as to relationships and children and ages etc.

Allen


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11/29/2005 1:11:25 AM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  Lynn(and anyone else Debby has offered to help over the phone), I highly recommend sending Debby your number and talking to her live. I don't know WHY she is so helpful and spent so much time with me giving me great advice but she did.
Just kidding, she is just very nice and has a wealth of experience and advice.
It can be difficult to share some ideas through these postings and can be much clearer when chatting.

By the way, my MPIX order from my Christmas session should be here today! I am happier with these portraits than any I have taken so far. I want to thank everyone for the help in all the threads and especially my one on one call with Debby. I am still learning but I am loving the practice.


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11/29/2005 6:26:00 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Andrea, it definitely should be there in the drop down menu, like Debby described!

Also, you shouldn't even have to flatten your project first, just save as and it should flatten the jpg for you, that way you still have your layerd psd in case you need to make changes. Try to see if you can just type the title of your project and add the .jpg at the end. See what happens.

I believe you, but it just doesn't make sense that it wouldn't be there. I'd check out Adobe support if you still can't get it to show up as an option.

I agree with Tom, definitely take Debby up on her offer when she tells you to send a phone number. She's so great to talk to and so helpful!!!


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11/29/2005 6:37:20 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Okay everyone .. . another big TEAM shot today . .. I will have around 26-30 people . . . all High School boys so man sized LOL . . . anyway . . . I have 3 lights(last time I only had 2 and used one on each side of the camera. any suggestions using 3 lights and will this help more? two I can adjust the power to full and -1 and the other one is just on or off. . . and the gym has those goofy vapor type lights that I just read about and it said white balance doesn't "balance" with those ARGH!!!

So another question. .. I have had some success using custom white balance but it seems very sporadic when trying to do it with my studio lights. .. can I do a custom white balance under the gym lights and then apply those settings with my flash heads set to flash?

anyway . . . I looked back through the old threads and found my info request for the last group I did . ..but again it was using only two lights. .. soooo if anyone has any suggestions . . . please send them my way . . . I leave around noon CST . . .


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11/29/2005 6:40:40 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Okay ..just gotta vent here.. .

The team shoot I'm scheduled to do today . .. I had tried to talk to "the powers that be" a couple of weeks ago about a time to do this . . . parents here want their "buttons" before the season and not midway through like has occurred in the past. .. they never would give me a definite time really and I basically told them I could do it today and gave them the date. .. when it came to discussing time we ran into issues because I wanted to start doing the individuals around 2:30 p.m.(boys and girls teams) with team pics occuring at 3:30ish when school was released. This would mean that those wanting individuals might miss a portion of a class. Basketball practice is scheduled to start at 3:40 and personally I didn't want the balls bouncing around my lights, etc. Well in the meantime the girls coach called and said he was going to have a girl gone(his daughter) and wanted to know if I could do it another time . .. I said that I needed to do them this week(today) because I was booked into December and plus the first game is on December 6. So he was going to try to make arrangements with the "powers" to do the girls team pic around 1:00. Well last night he called and said no go . .. principal wouldn't go for it . . . and the principal basically said well just tell her to come back . . . I was ticked. . . obviously they don't realize that I don't just have another day to offer them and then what if someone is gone on THAT day . .. it's never ending . . . so anyway the principal calls me . . I basically said that This is the day I have open and that I was trying to avoid being in there during practice. . he just said oh they won't hurt anything and they can use a different part of the court. .. I said you don't understand and basically told him that I was not willing to risk $1000 worth of equipment getting damaged because the kids wouldn't leave things alone and didn't want the balls hitting the lights. Anyway . . got nowhere and in fact was ready to just say get someone else and figure it out . . . called the girls coach back . . . and in the course of the conversation it was brought up that they have a different practice schedule on Friday so I agreed to GO BACK on Friday .. .and RESET all the lights up to do ONE team photo . . . I guess my vent here is that if they had hired a "company" or someone else . . . they wouldn't treat them this way but because I'm local and home raised here they think they can take advantage of my services. . . and while I applaud myself for my customer service I can't continue to cater to everyone's own schedules and whims. ..

So then to top it all off. .. the desktop publishing teacher(who I'm sure knows nothing of the above incident) calls just now and said the boys basketball coach had asked her class to make trading cards for the team and wanted to know if they could use my pics to make them . .. Needless to say I was peeved and it's an inner self thing because she had no idea. . . but in my opinion that's what class time should be for and if it's a class project then use their class time and not mine . . . I simply told her that it would not be possible because I did not take pictures of everyone that I only took pics of those that were paying and that I had a very short time to do these pics in and had both girls individuals, boys and boys team to do and try to avoid infringing on practice in doing so . . she was pissed I could tell . .. but since I sell trading cards I just didn't feel I should just hand over my images. ..she did comment that they might be able to "pay" me for it but in all essence it doesn't take away the fact that I simply will be under strong time constraints to get this done as it is. .. I suggested to her that perhaps yearbook class could take the pics(they have a digital rebel) and then she could use them . . . another reason I didnt' want to do this is the printers at the school are high tech but the color is horrendous when doing photos. .. and I did not want my name associated with bad color even if people did know I didn't do them . . . Anyone have any thoughts on this . .. I'm to the point that money or no money they can go back to lifetouch and have crappy pics . . . I don't need the stress and can just simply reply next year with I'm booked solid!


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11/29/2005 8:51:20 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  TOM AND LAURA,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE KIND WORDS!!!
YOU BOTH ARE A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH ALWAYS SO WILLING YOURSELVES TO HELP OTHERS,WITH YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR
"UP BEAT" ATTITUDES.
YOU WILL NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH THIS HELPS OTHERS.
AND I DO HEAR SO MANY GREAT THINGS ABOUT YOU BOTH AND LIZA, ABOUT HOW YOU ARE ALL ARE ALWAYS SO HAPPY TO LEND A HAND AND YOUR POSITIVE ATTITUDE GIVES OTHERS THE COURAGE TO KEEP ON TRYING TO REACH THEIR DREAMS AS THEY SEE YOU ALL HAVE DONE.
YES, I AM ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP BUT I THINK YOU ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AS WELL!!!
JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO YOU AS WELL,
DEBBY


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11/29/2005 9:15:38 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  Liz- I believe its my wedding pic that you are referring to-i'm glad you like the edge...I love them too! It's from filters unlimited 2.0 The software rocks-especially if you are into filters and edges and stuff. its about $40.00, and here is the link:

http://www.icnet.de/filters_unlimited/

if the link doesn't work or whatever just e-mail me and i'll help you find them.

connie k


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11/29/2005 9:54:06 AM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Maybe I'm just going crazy! I have tried it on about 6 different images, and the only thing in the drop down format box is 5 photoshop options, raw and tiff.
I didn't see anything about it in the adobe support and I didn't see anything.
I won't bother you guys anymore with this but if any of you ever have this problem let me know. Thanks! Andrea


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11/29/2005 10:16:05 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Will it allow you to type in .jpg in the title? If not, you should be able to go to the folder, right click for properties and edit the filename to .jpg and it should convert to a jpeg image for you. Let me know if that still doesn't work, I'll try to come up with something else.


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11/29/2005 10:22:18 AM

 
Liz Hincka   Constance, thanks and yes, it is your wedding photos. I love the beveled edge and my fav pic of that group is the couple standing in front of the tree and church. Really pretty with the leaves in the tree poping out. Thanks for the lead on the software. Good luck on your next wedding!!


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11/29/2005 10:31:38 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  What is the current file type you are trying to convert...that may have something to do with it. Is it just a .psd or is it a RAW or Tiff to start out with? If it's RAW or Tiff, I think you need to convert to something else before you can convert to jpeg... I THINK! Anyone else familiar with this??


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11/29/2005 10:31:46 AM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/7/2005
  Andrea,
My hubby has been having some similar problems with his laptop. I think we are going to have to reinstall. That might be part of the problem with yours as well.

If you want to compare "Photoshop with Photoshop" give me a call and we'll see if there are other things wrong. If there are, more than likely, you will need to reinstall.
Cyndee ><>


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11/29/2005 10:31:54 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  WAIT!!!!! Go to Edit, File Association and make sure that Jpeg is checked on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!


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11/29/2005 10:33:42 AM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/7/2005
  And...yes I am familiar with RAW format. It does need to be converted by using a plug-in if you are in PS3. It will automatically do the conversion for you if you have the plug-in.,,it can be installed for free somewhere. If you need more info, e-mail me.


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11/29/2005 10:34:09 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  If you are starting with a psd project, and not the RAW files, I really think the File Association list is your problem!!! TRY IT BEFORE RE-INSTALLING ANYTHING!!!!!


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11/29/2005 10:39:05 AM

 
Sandy Landon
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/24/2005
  Andrea, I had the same problem once. Make sure that your file is an 8-bit file and not a 16-bit. 16 will not save as a JPEG! Hope that helps!:)


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11/29/2005 11:04:38 AM

 
Anne Marie Elias
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/30/2005
  Oh my - I miss one day of logging into my email and I miss a ton! I have a lot of catching up to do!


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11/29/2005 4:35:44 PM

 
Liz Hincka   Debby, I was able to finally sit down and put my lights together tonight and practice on my daughter. I only used the Pro 500 and HS2000 on a black homemade backdrop and really looked good. Tomorrow is the real test as after work I will attempt to photograph all my kids together. I was at 180/iso200/f22 and lite very nicely. Any advice on where to put lights according to clock arrangement with black backdrop? or still 5/7? I was just kind of moving them around to look at what would happen.
Debby, I can't say thank you enough for all the time you spent with me helping me pick out what I needed and what was a good deal. You are wonderful!!!!!!!


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11/29/2005 7:44:44 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Yaaaaaaaaaaa! I figured it out!!! I tried all those suggestions and nothing was working. Then I noticed in my mode it was on lab color and I wasn't before so I changed it back to RGB color and now it works. Thank you so much everyone for trying to help. You guys are great.


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11/29/2005 10:19:00 PM

 
Anne Marie Elias
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I just finished my first maternity shoot and here are the results, please give me honest constructive criticism either here or privately which ever you feel more comfortable with. :-)

I really had fun with this one.


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11/30/2005 10:37:17 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
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Anne Marie,these turned out very nice. She looks beautiful and they are very tastefully done and have captured her at a special time in her life. Great job.

Ok Debby, here are my new attempts with the addition of the backlight in the right position. Debby I've talked to you enough for you to know that my daughter loves to play dress up. For those of you who don't know about Malena, this dress is one of her "everyday" dresses. The child loves it and has been known to pull it out of the dirty laundry to try to wear it. Today she was being Cinderella and a ballerina in it. I love her imagination. She also played with some of my dressup stuff in the studio. Debby I reviewed your family posing cd this morning before heading to the shop so it would be fresh in my mind. I'm going to have to try it out on a grownup. My child just will not cooperate with me positioning her, she is too fidgity and can't really hold a pose, so I just let her have fun instead. So did I get this whole back light thing right this time?


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11/30/2005 11:08:46 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Liza, they look great! Where did you place your backlight?? I'm having backlight issues, too. I think these look really good...you can't really tell there's a light back there, like mine, the light seems to scream out "there's a big light back here!" I need to bring it down to half power and try it again, per Debby's suggestion.


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11/30/2005 11:38:54 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  hey guys just been a bit busy today,
Liz , I am so glad you are having fun can't wait to see your posts.
also, Kim and Lynn really nice talking with you on the phone yeasterday-can't wait to see your posts as well!
Oh Liza my friend......
These are great!!!!!:-)lol,lol
Malena is looking so much like her beautiful Mommy-you guys have so much fun, I wish Jillian was little again.
no more dress up and girly games- now she plays with that brat boy of hers (her husband)and granades,lol,lol.
( she just told me about some field exercises she came from - for those of you who don't know I'm kidding, they are in the Army)
anyway, these have wonderful depth.
they look great- now try your gels and move the light colser and further away- practising seeing the washed look to the dramatic Tradional Portrait look.
and you will enjoy having the backlight more and more.
and when you want to use low dramtic lighting on black- just close the sides of your barn doors and have someone hold it above your subjects head pointing down towards her hair, as a accent hair light.


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11/30/2005 11:48:05 AM

 
Anne Marie Elias
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/30/2005
  Thanks for your kind words Liza!

And I am right there with Laura O.! I have serious Backlight issues too!


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11/30/2005 11:48:18 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I can only adjust my backlight down to -1 adn that isn't enough so I find many times I just use the modeling light but it really doesnt' add much I don't think . . .


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11/30/2005 11:50:10 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Woo Hooooooo, I really messed up with my first attempt. I sent Debby pictures and I had the light off to the side instead of directly behind. Today I had the light directly behind the stool. Malena was 4' away from the backdrop and the light was about 3' away and set at half power. I can't wait to try the gels. I'm going to have to find a different subject, Malena is over it now. Debby thank you so much for giving us all such great guidance. Laura and Michelle, isn't outdoor photography so much easier? I'm really trying to get this whole indoor thing going right. I'm in NC and the grass is starting to turn brown most of the trees have lost their leaves and I'm going to be forced indoors soon. I'm feeling more confidant about it now though. Thanks for the help and critique, I always value the opinions of my friends on here.


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11/30/2005 12:11:09 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  wow, liza, I just thought the barn doors were all theway open and you were getting the flooded look-witch is fine-now that you say it was off to the side, when you move it where it should be right in back of your subject is it to much? do you need to turn it to half power? thats what Laura has to do and she is working with the same backlight-but no barndoors yet.
can't wait till you post more.
maybe try both power settings.


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11/30/2005 12:28:05 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Liza,
I maybe confussed.
todays are the ones that you have the back light in the right place?
if so then no the power is correct-now just play with th edoors and see how you can get a washed or flooded look an dhow you can get that Tradional faded dark to light (behind the subject) look.
sorry if I was confussed.


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11/30/2005 12:55:10 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
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Ok, this is here so that you can all get a good laugh at how cheap I am. This is my makeshift tripod and barndoor setup. I laugh every time I look at it. I remembered that I had an old light on a tripod that had barndoors. This setup just used a regular light bulb. So I removed that setup from the back end and inserted my Britek light through the back of it. At the moment it is held in with wide clear packing tape. I'm working on a better way to keep it in place, but this very rigged setup is working for the moment.

The picture showing the stool, backlight and backdrop is everything exactly where it was when I took Malena's pics. It was on half power. Debby, was I supposed to close the barn doors more than what they are in the pictures? Maybe I had them opened too much?


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11/30/2005 12:58:19 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Liza this is perfect placement.
and as far as the doors- you use them differently depending on theeffect you would like to have.
can't wait till you use the gels on that backdrop- it is so beautiful!!
I was telling liza this paticular backdrop is perfect for using gells on if the dark and light swirls will soak up the color of the gel she uses.


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11/30/2005 1:03:53 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  I'm so excited about all the new fun I can have now. Thanks so much Debby. Gotta go now, I have to bake a cake for my sis for her birthday. I have a big ol smile on my face. I'm so happy to be catching on to the backlighting. Have a great day.


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11/30/2005 1:09:22 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Good Evening everyone . . . Just wanted to tell everyone . . . that I got set up with a company called Stylart. .. they offer wedding invitations, graduation announcements and a huge line of Holiday cards. . . the "mom of 5 children" was the one who helped me locate it as she has ordered from them through her former photographer in the past. . . anyway the cards are expensive but they are sooooooo lovely . . . and they do all the printing . .. card, personalization, photo, the whole shabang. They have a suggested retail price list or you can set your own price but you get 40% off their suggested retail. Anyway . . . I delivered the cards to the mom today(400 of them geepers creepers think of that postage bill). . . and anyway she told me she forgot to order wallets so she wanted 30 wallets of each child . .

and yes Liza... Outdoor photography for the most part is much easier. . . but my grass has been brown for a month and the leaves all blew off about 3 weeks ago so it's pretty dismal out right now . .. I am supposed to do one more outdoor sitting on the 11th but may have to cancel it and I just really dont' want to move it indoors because my setup isn't the best for large groups and there will be 7 of them.

the basketball pics yesterday went pretty good . . . we were able to move along fairly quick but it certainly would have been alot faster to just have them there all at once. Sold around $600 worth ... so I was happy.


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11/30/2005 4:33:26 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to change the default on ps7. It goes to lab color everytime now, I have to change it everytime I want save.


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11/30/2005 4:42:21 PM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  Liza, thanks for posting both the results (which are beautiful) and the behind the scenes photo. I have had some backlight issues that I am hoping to fix soon. I have used my speedlite as a backlight on an optical slave. Unfortunately the optical slave unit is a bit cheap and it seems to work only occasionally unles I turn the flash unit on and off each time it fires. Needless to say that doesn't work out very well when I am trying to get a good pose and/or smile from a child. I have a good unit on my Christmas list and I have been good lately so I may have that issue beat after the holidays.

In any case, I have always placed the backlight as you show, directly behind the subject and I like the results most of the time. I have found the power level can be tricky and depending on the backdrop I use I have to take it down to very low power to avoid blowing out the background. Is this normal? For exxample if I use a light colored backdrop I have set the speedlite as low as 1/64th power to avoid a "white-out" behind the subject. I don't need barndoors on the flash unit since I can set the distribution pretty easily on the unit (zooming in or out manually) and I even have some gel samples that fit the unit perfectly. I plan to take some time off from work at the end of the year and do some serious practice and this is one area I want to play around with.


Andrea, I had some issues with PS7 resetting each time but for me it was because I had changed the settings in the camera. So each time I opened an image it picked up that setting. I'm not sure if that is what you mean or if that is your problem though.


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11/30/2005 7:18:19 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  For all of you doing event Photography- such as multible families and orders per families.
I posted this on another thread for a someone and thought I would pass on the info to you guys.
I had seen these and thought
"Cool Toy" (for those who know a little about me_I LOVE TOYS!!!)
didn't really thing I needed one but ,a good price you know?
and I hadn't had a chance to mess with it till last night, waiting for Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer to come on.....
The day after Thanksgiving, we HAD to take Greg's brother who was visiting to the FRY's for the after thanksgiving pre Christmas sale at 5:00am,lol,lol.
anyway, while there they had the Epson Picture Mate on sale for $49.00.
well thought I would get one for quickies of family at Grandmas house ect.
well opon looking at it- it does a proof sheet of 20 poses a sheet.
Now, I am thinking that I will take my shots per family-insert the card -print a proof sheet that they can be looking at as they are waiting for a sales person to show them on the monitor and take thier order.
and I thought of you and thought I would share.
have a great day.
Debby


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12/1/2005 7:13:21 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Oh and Liza,
it codes the picture with numbers-can sit it by the camera and do this until you can get to the laptop(since no computer is nessissary)
PERFECT for those busy Coffee shop days- or those Party events.
if you stamp the back with your number- even if they get caught up in their event-they can call ya later and place a order based on the shot numbers.
pretty cool.


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12/1/2005 7:17:04 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Debby, that's a pretty neat idea. We don't have Fry's where I live. Heck, we don't have anything where I live, I have to drive an hour to get to a "Big City" We don't have Fry's up there either though so I'll have to check around. All the other big Office type stores are there so I'll see what I can find. I've seen that printer on commercials lately and it looks like a fun "Toy" My motto is the more toys and gadgets, the better.

Tom thanks for taking a look at the photos. I'm so excited at the whole prospect of changing my backdrop with gels. I'm hoping Malena will volunteer to do some photos for me today so I can play a bit.


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12/1/2005 9:15:43 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  you could try Fry's on line as well.


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12/1/2005 9:24:35 AM

 
Lynn Snow
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Here are the posts from yesterday's shoot. I really have a lot more to learn about posing!!!


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12/1/2005 8:51:03 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Brave Lynn . . . I will say these are much better. . .but I think one of the big improvements is simply the clothing choices. .. they just look so much better in that alone . .. the backdrop is great! If she's not pleased now then you don't need her LOL . . . I really like these!


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12/1/2005 9:04:56 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Thanks Michelle, and for all of the tips and advice!!! I still have to work on the hand/arm placement. It doesn't look natural. I talked to her beforehand and suggested they wear more solids for clothing. Your right, that does make a big difference. The backdrop is your N26. I just got it the day before, so it still has a lot of wrinkles. But, I like the look of the drop itself, wrinkles aside. Backdrop Outlet is selling their fantasy clothes for less than $20, so they are a great buy at the moment, if anyone is looking for a nice and inexpensive backdrop.


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12/1/2005 9:11:05 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  That should have read BRAVO LOL . . . but I think you understood my point . . . and your N26 looks different than mine . . . I think I like yours better. . . I've got to figure out this color issue I have going on . .. yellow seems to really be dominant and I don't know if it's my white balance, my lights or what. . . When I use the auto white balance everything has a blue cast. . . when I use the flash white balance I get a reddish sometimes or the yellow . .. if I try to custom white balance I can't always get it to work and get an error message. .. flash seems to work the best. .. does anyone have any experience with this MacBeth color chart things? My monitor seems to be giving me issues too . . . the color for the most part is good it's just the facial tones that tend to have a color cast to them sometimes. . . but I can't get the darkness/brightness images to match . . . I see BRIGHT on my monitor but everything prints dark! GRRRRRR. .. it is acceptable but I woudl just like it to be closer!


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12/1/2005 9:30:31 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Do you shoot in RAW? The RAW menu allows you to easily change white balance, exposure, color tint, contrast, etc. I don't have experience with the MacBeth color chart, so I'm no help there. In terms of the printing, are you referring to printing from Mpix? Because, I have noticed a lot of times, that they darken the images in the printing process, as part of their color correction, if that box is not checked.


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12/1/2005 9:57:23 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  No Lynn . .. I shoot in JPEG High Quality(ducking head). And Yes I'm referring to MPix printing . .. and I have been checkign the DO NOT CORRECT box but my images are still arriving to me darker. . . the color seems acceptable but the brightness is off! sometimes it's actually a good thing LOL . .but it seems inconsistent . . . I have an email into MPix concerning ICC Profiles so we'll see what they say .. .they sent them to me once but it was right befor eI got this computer so I never downloaded them . .. my new year's resolution is to learn RAW!


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12/1/2005 10:11:41 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle, RAW is so easy!!! It seems complicated, but other than the camera setting and the smaller amount of pictures you can take on a memory card, it really is no different from JPEG. Plus, the RAW menu in PS makes life so much easier!!!! I would really suggest trying it - I bet you will love it. It makes correction so easy. (and this is from someone who is PS-illiterate half the time!). I have noticed that Mpix does seem to print on the darker side. At one point earlier this year, I had considered buying a calibration kit so that I could exactly set my monitor up to any printer. The kits run about $100-200, though, so for me, that has to wait.


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12/1/2005 10:24:42 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
 
 
 
Okay . . . I'm one step to my new year resolution . . . I found the update for my camera Raw and got the file installed. . . the problem is once I open the file all the "things" seem so greek to me when it comes to sharpening, lightening, etc. do I just do all the adjustments and then save as a TIFF? the only advantage I really saw was that I was able to adjust the white balance which I could tell a huge help with . . . but that still doesnt' really solve my MPix problems when it comes to printing . . . I found this MacBeth chart on another website of a photographer who talked alot about color management. .. . here is the chart. .. now my question . .. the color values are shown on teh chart. . . so if I save this chart into my PSE3 and open it up . . . if I put the eyedropper on each square and then open up the color palette should my numbers be the same(if my monitor is calibrated correctly?) as the ones on the chart. . . on many of them they are exact . . . on some they are off but not alot . .. but as I mentioned before . .. color isn't as much of an issue as skin tones. . . which brings me to should I upgrade to PSE 4.0? It has some additional things and skin tone management is one of them . . right Laura?? Laura. . . do you know if PSE 4.0 can convert RAW files for all of the most recent digital cameras?? Who would I ask?


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12/1/2005 11:02:13 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
 
 
 
Okay . . . I'm one step to my new year resolution . . . I found the update for my camera Raw and got the file installed. . . the problem is once I open the file all the "things" seem so greek to me when it comes to sharpening, lightening, etc. do I just do all the adjustments and then save as a TIFF? the only advantage I really saw was that I was able to adjust the white balance which I could tell a huge help with . . . but that still doesnt' really solve my MPix problems when it comes to printing . . . I found this MacBeth chart on another website of a photographer who talked alot about color management. .. . here is the chart. .. now my question . .. the color values are shown on teh chart. . . so if I save this chart into my PSE3 and open it up . . . if I put the eyedropper on each square and then open up the color palette should my numbers be the same(if my monitor is calibrated correctly?) as the ones on the chart. . . on many of them they are exact . . . on some they are off but not alot . .. but as I mentioned before . .. color isn't as much of an issue as skin tones. . . which brings me to should I upgrade to PSE 4.0? It has some additional things and skin tone management is one of them . . right Laura?? Laura. . . do you know if PSE 4.0 can convert RAW files for all of the most recent digital cameras?? Who would I ask?


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12/1/2005 11:02:35 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:21:55 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:26:38 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:26:38 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:26:38 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:26:38 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle,
Go to www.adobe.com. They give you a free 30 trial for both Elements 4 and CS2. You can try them both. Just go to Products - Digital Imaging- and Downloads on the right hand side. CS2 is what I use to convert my RAW files. That way you can compare both and try all of the features yourself. Sorry, I'm not much help on the color chart. I would like to know how to fix the printing problem also. Aside from the callibration kit, I am not sure what else can be done to truly ensure accurate color.


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12/1/2005 11:26:39 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Oops, sorry Michelle, it is Products - Digital Imaging - Tryouts (not downloads), on the right hand side.


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12/2/2005 12:34:41 AM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry everyone. I just realized that it posted 6 times up above. I hit submit for that post and it was just stalling there forever, and so I kept hitting hit to try and make it go through. SORRY!!!!!!!!


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12/2/2005 12:45:08 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I did download PSE 4.0 only to have it not work .. . no matter what I do I have troubles when I try to download stuff. . . I just freak out over anything I have to do with it.


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12/2/2005 5:03:13 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Good Morning,
Lynn, I am sorry I was not around last night - I had a shoot.
But lets put the attention BAck on you rwonderful Portraits.
These are wonderful! and I see you got yooru 3 generation Portrait we talked about,yeah!!!
now, so others can watch for details , I hope you don't mind , I will tell you the very little things I would fix.
You are way to hard on yourself, your hand placement is very good-you guys who are new-give yourself a break!
I would rather see you have fun and try and stay POSITIVE about your shoots - then worry so much-you will get it - it will come eaiser-promise!

Ok # 1: Pretty darn perfect!
*I would bring the girl out just a bit to get rid of the shadow
* Hands are very nice-you could have her lay(and make sure esecialy wemon-lay their hand softly not grab.)
her hand on grandmas upper arm more if possible.
* Grandma's hear should come around a bit more for full eyes( it is hard with seniors) if she can't angle the body a bit more toward the camera.
But these are little clean up things to make things look perfect.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL SHOT!!!
# 2 looks great of grand pa!!!!
# 3 PRETTY PERFET!!!!!GREAT SHOT!!!
here is the little clean up stuff-
* little girls hand on moms upper arm.
* smallest guy turn him towards mom(towards the center of the picture, this gives that warmth that family portraits need to have )
*and Mom can hold his hand.
* Boy in grey- take his hand from his pocket and place it on his brothers shoulder or arm.
( note: no hands in pockets unless it is a super casual shot-ment to be cool)
OVERALL-GREAT SET LYNN!!!!!!
you did a wonderful job-the last set had a lot of good qualities as well except the last one.
BUT you did really , really well
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE!!!!


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12/2/2005 6:08:19 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning,
Lynn, I am sorry I was not around last night - I had a shoot.
But lets put the attention BAck on you rwonderful Portraits.
These are wonderful! and I see you got yooru 3 generation Portrait we talked about,yeah!!!
now, so others can watch for details , I hope you don't mind , I will tell you the very little things I would fix.
You are way to hard on yourself, your hand placement is very good-you guys who are new-give yourself a break!
I would rather see you have fun and try and stay POSITIVE about your shoots - then worry so much-you will get it - it will come eaiser-promise!

Ok # 1: Pretty darn perfect!
*I would bring the girl out just a bit to get rid of the shadow
* Hands are very nice-you could have her lay(and make sure esecialy wemon-lay their hand softly not grab.)
her hand on grandmas upper arm more if possible.
* Grandma's hear should come around a bit more for full eyes( it is hard with seniors) if she can't angle the body a bit more toward the camera.
But these are little clean up things to make things look perfect.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL SHOT!!!
# 2 looks great of grand pa!!!!
# 3 PRETTY PERFET!!!!!GREAT SHOT!!!
here is the little clean up stuff-
* little girls hand on moms upper arm.
* smallest guy turn him towards mom(towards the center of the picture, this gives that warmth that family portraits need to have )
*and Mom can hold his hand.
* Boy in grey- take his hand from his pocket and place it on his brothers shoulder or arm.
( note: no hands in pockets unless it is a super casual shot-ment to be cool)
OVERALL-GREAT SET LYNN!!!!!!
you did a wonderful job-the last set had a lot of good qualities as well except the last one.
BUT you did really , really well
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE!!!!


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12/2/2005 6:18:58 AM

 
Liz Hincka   Michelle, I am with you on the color management difficulties. A local guy in our area who is a professional photographer for wildlife and flowers told me that he uses a Lacie Electron Blue Moniter which runs about $300, (last time I checked). He raved about it and said that he never had to do any calibration or other junk to it, the color was so good. So, when my old Gateway moniter gave way earlier this year, I bought a Lacie for myself and I have to say that the color is great. I have never calibrated and what I see is what I get. But...that being said, I have PSElements3 and PSCS2. The difference for me because I am not a software or computer genius is that whatever work I do in either program prints beautifully in PSE3, but if I print from CS2, there are so many ICC profiles that you have to specifially outline, that my printing is aweful. So, I dont print at home from CS2, I send to MPIX. I find that part of CS2 cumbersone. Good luck in your hunt for good color!!


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12/2/2005 7:01:11 AM

 
Constance Kessel
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/29/2004
  hi everyone...I'm considering selling my 20d, 4 lenses, 580ex flash and everything that goes with it. I want to put it on ebay, but wanted to give you guys first dibs on everything-I'm just considering moving over to the nikon side....but can't afford both right now. I've only had this camera since march, and most of the accesories are new within a few months. It will be at a very good price, so if your interested please e-mail me and i'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks

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12/2/2005 10:09:54 AM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Debby,
Thanks so much for all of the feedback - it helps a lot!!! I really appreciate all of your encouragement!

I loved your suggestion to take shots of the grandparents alone and the three generation shot, so I wanted to post them here for you. Thanks again, Debby!


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12/2/2005 8:08:07 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Well . . . I did my shoot today in RAW+JPEG and boy am I ever glad I did . . . I just cant' get the hang of this RAW editing . . . no matter what I tried things looked bad so I ended up just using the JPEG file. .. The lighting was awful on the RAW file but was about "normal" to what I think my eyes saw in the JPEG. . . I'll definitely have to do more experimenting that's for sure. ..


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12/2/2005 8:31:34 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Michelle, Sorry about the RAW issues today. For me, it is the opposite - I have so much better results when I am able to edit in RAW. Were you using PSE for editing? I wonder if the interface is different from what I use.


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12/2/2005 8:35:35 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Thanks Lynn . .. I do use PSE 3.0 . . that's all I have. So I'm sure the interface has differences. .. The lighting was major bright and the color was awful and I couldn't seem to adjust it no matter how hard I tried. . . it just looked worse. . .


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12/3/2005 5:19:54 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Good Morning everyone . ..

I have another "color management" question. . . I emailed MPix about getting the ICC Profiles. .. and they sent them to me . . but now what do I do with them . . I know I need to install them but WHERE. .. and will this truly help me SEE what will print or will it simply just override my settings to print the way MPix sees things. . . I swear things printed better when I just let them do it . . . but occasionally then they would be off so then I'd have to reprint. ..I dont' know what to do . . . I just tried to install them and "use" them and it says they are not associated with a monitor. . . sigh . . .


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12/3/2005 6:32:52 AM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  The interfaces between PSE and CS2 must be really different, because on mine it is really easy to change things. As far as the ICC, have you tried posting on the main Q&A? I would be curious as to what you find out.


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12/3/2005 10:52:58 AM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  I have a question about lights... I'm unable to buy the real deal, so is there a way to make something? Maybe something from Lowes or something.. Seems like I read on BP before that you can, but can't recall what..Can someone help?


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12/3/2005 12:45:39 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Tonya, I think I read somewhere that you can use shop type lights that have the round, metal reflector pan. They usually have clamps to clamp them on to something for support. I believe that the article I read said that instead of regular bulbs, they used a photo flood light bulb. I hope this helps, not sure how well this will work. Maybe some of the other members will chime in on Monday. Weekends are kind of quiet on here.


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12/3/2005 5:59:47 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi Tonya et al! Was VERY busy today and am exhausted! I can't type much now, but I can help on the worklights from Lowe's... that's what I used up until I think July. They're like $10 each, the clamp-on style with the "salad bowl" reflectors. I used regular light bulbs, but always had color issues with the light. I was told I should have used the portrait bulbs from the camera store with a ceramic ring insert between the bulb and the light socket (because the wattage is higher for those bulbs, I guess) I think the bulbs are between $5-$10...you can probably buy the ceramic insert/adapter thing at the hardware store, too.

If you need more info, let me know!

I'm off. Decorating and editing tomorrow. I'll try to check in then. Have a great night!


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12/3/2005 7:22:12 PM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Thanks for the help on this. I will check Lowe's next weekend. As for the portrait bulbs, I'm out of luck. No stores like that where I'm at..


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12/3/2005 7:42:21 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Hey Everyone!
It is so nice to come and read and see that so many of us are dealing with the same things at the same time. I am having monitor and color issues...but that is another show (as oprah would say!)
I have a few questions for you all and would appreciate ANY help at all.
First of all... Whomever it was that I corresponded with about the omnibounce(without going back to look), or anyone else that uses one, how do you angle your flash head when you are outdoors or have high cielings or colored walls...IE nothing to bounce off of?
#2 I have a wedding to shoot next weekend and to ease my stress level, I was wondering if you guys would offer up your suggestions on settings, a few I can rely on without having to worry about metering constantly.
#3 what mode do you reccomend shooting in, I have to use a program mode for my flash unit, and I can shoot in "p" but would like more control withoug haveing to stress over settings.
#4 I got a stroboframe, but they left out the sync cord and I don't think I can get to the store again before the wedding, so I will just be relying on my flash and omnibounce...any advice for that?
I will probably be bugging you guys all week, weddings make me so nervous!


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12/3/2005 9:53:51 PM

 
Michelle Andersson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/30/2004
  Color mangement has been driving me nutty too!!!! I find it rather mind boggling actually. Just now, I noticed that BP is offering a 4 week course on color mangement and I think that I'm at the point where it would be nice to take it. Just thought I'd let you all know that it was available in case you are as frustrated as I am with trying to figure it out on your own. :)

Michelle A.


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12/3/2005 11:23:27 PM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  Tonya B, there are few photo supply stores in my immediate area so I do a lot of ordering from B&H, Adormama, etc. Ebay is also great of course if you are willing to take a little risk that you hit a bad seller. I have been buying on ebay since it started and haven't had a real problem though.

Tonya C., If there is nothing to bounce I direct the flash directly at the subject. With an omnibounce you are diffusing the light so I have not had too many problems with this (i.e. bright spots on the subject). You do lose the indirect lighting effect from bouncing though. Is it feasible to have a reflector for the portraits and bounce the flash off of it? I took some "Santa's Lap" portraits at my organization's Christmas party and just brought a large popup reflector and my normal flash (I didn't want to setup strobes, etc since this was just supposed to be a few fun shots). I was able to hang the reflector to the side and above the subject and bounced the flashonto it. It worked pretty well and was a little better than direct flash.


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12/4/2005 7:03:29 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Good Morning Everyone . .. it seems like several of us are having color issues. .. I finally just reset my monitor and started over trying to "calibrate" it . . . and then I used the calibration print that MPix sent to me as well as looked at some prints of my son I took to see how they compared. .. I think I now at least have it fairly close. . . but I was also wondering how many of you use MPix to print and do you let them color correct or do you mark the DO NOT Color correct box. . . I used to just always allow them to do it but then felt like my images had a bit of a color problem(golden color) so started to mark the do not box and now I'm strongly considering just allowing them to do it again . . . the color issues have never been that huge of a deal it's more the darkness/brightness that has caused me havoc . ..

Other questions:

Tom . . . when you use the Omni Bounce and a reflector what color reflector do you use??? and about what angle is your flash head/reflector combination . .. I would love to be able to do this in times when I dont' want to set up the strobes(ex. Little Dribbler's basketball pics in the yucky gymnasium LOL)

Tonya. .. when I use my flash outdoors and the omnibounce . . . I direct the flash at them also . . .if I'm doing groups sometimes I do have to eliminate it if they are large. . . but if I'm doing individuals like Seniors I usually always use it and then adjust my flash power down to -1 or sometimes -2. . . a few times I have to keep it on normal . .. I used to really hate my omni bounce but I'm starting to like it more.

Some other questions? My light set up I used white umbrellas. . . the two umbrellas I have are a sight it yellowed and then in my studio setup the walls are a very light off white/yellow color . . . could this be causing the yellow to my images or is it the white balance setting I'm using . .. When I use my flash setting things are yellow almost an orange/gold color. .. when I put it on auto they have a blue cast to them . .. IF I can get my camera to custom white balance it's better but sometimes it just wont' set. . . I can program my camera so that I can save the custom white balance but it doesn't seem like it's always accurate from sitting to sitting . . . I read at another site that there are a set of those color cards(MacBeth thing) and that a photographer would take a photo of those cards using the Kelvin setting on his camera(I have that) and take each color with different temperatures and then bring it back and put those images into PS and then see which temperature one was closest in the color range(those 3 numbers on the chart) and then use that temperature setting . .. I'm just not sure. ..

Now to my RAW situation . . . I have been playing a bit just to experiment with the settings. . . when I open a RAW image I get a different editing screen than when I open a JPeg image. . . this screen is where I can adjust the white balance and I can also adjust other stuff(saturation, tint, sharpness, etc) I can do this in 8 bit or 16 bit. .. then if I click okay it takes me to my "NORMAL" screen and still has the RAW image. .. so my question is . .. am I still adjusting RAW at this point or is any editing on this 2nd screen futile. .. and should I be doing my editing on the first screen in 16 bit? seems like when I dod that before that when I clicked enter than I could not make any more adjustments in the normal screen . .. and had to save to a TIFF to be able to do this? Just trying to figure out a possible workflow here. . .

Okay . . enough rambling from me . ..


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12/4/2005 7:22:58 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  TONYA,
SENT YOU A NUMBER IF YOU'D LIKE JUST CALL.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!
MICHELLE,
I REALLY DON'T MESS WITH ALL THAT AND USUALLY SUGEST THAT YOU RESET YOUR CAMERA TO THE FACTORY STANDARDS-REMEMBER THEY ARE "SMART CAMERAS" MADE TO ADJUST . I NOW AND THEN WILL SHOOT A GREY CARD, AND I NEVER METER-JUST TEST SHOOT.


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12/4/2005 8:09:20 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Hi Debby . .. My camera hasn't been changed except from the JPEG best setting to RAW and the white balance I use the presets primarily and Auto but when I use the Auto the color is way off. . .. the other settings I've tried to adjust were on my monitor so that when I get my prints back they look like what is on my monitor. I don't like messing with things really but hate the gut wrenching feeling I get waiting for my orders to see if the color and lighting is right!


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12/5/2005 5:03:17 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi all, just checking in. Been busy this weekend! Worked with Connie Turner to do a pictures with santa day at her local YMCA! Despite a few near disasters and a TON more people than we ever anticipated, we did really well and she was a big hit. The YMCA wants her back for many more events in the coming year! I had a family shoot at a clients house near the YMCA, coincidentally the same day only later on, so Connie came with me for that and helped out. I brought my portable studio (lights, backdrop stand etc) and was really confident and everything went smoothly and really well! The client LOVES her proofs and wants a proof book to bring home for her family to see over the holidays so those without computer access can order, too! She wants 30 custom designed cards and a large stretched canvas print and probably a digital coffee table book, and possibly the CD of the session. She's in love with all of them! She joked that the girls at her office made her go first to see if she liked me and my work, kind of like drawing the short straw! LOL! She can't wait to show off her proofs and recommend me to everyone! She wants me to come back to do a shoot of just her son and dog. MY CONFIDENCE HAS RETURNED just in time for 6 more shoots this week!!!!! AAAAGGGHHH!!!!

Hope al is well with everyone! I have to get on creating her card proofs and re-building my studio for my shoot tomorrow night. I'll be popping in and out today.

Debby, call me when you can!


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12/5/2005 7:49:25 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  OH! The proofs are on my web site under Galleries, Proofs, Haladay, if anyone wants to take a peek. They are far from perfect, but she loves them!!!

The one of the feet and the last few candid, casual shots were my ideas an I really pushed for them, even though they were a bit apprehensive. Her husband kept laughing saying "I just don't get the feet thing!" Two things happened, they were all laughing and comfortable for the shots, AND he saw the proofs and he GETS IT! He loved the one of the feet with their names on it. SUCCESS!!! I converted a skeptic!


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12/5/2005 7:52:10 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  WOW Laura. . Great Job. .. You are doing sooooo good. . .

I need an interpretation LOL . . . I did a family shoot over Thanksgiving . .. the family with the 4 kids in the red & yellow. . . I took the CD to them the following Monday . . . she doesnt' have a computer so they do have to go to her in laws to look at the pictures. . . anyway ... I haven't heard anything from her and it's been a week. .. then over the weekend I heard "twice" that 3 of the 6 were sick the day I took the pictures. . . no one said a thing to me that day about being sick although the one little girl did mention she had a tummy ache. . . so now I'm curious if they didn't like the pics and are using that as the "reason" they think they didnt' turn out??? I guess I'm just thinking if they were truly "sick" why didn't she just cancel or try to reschedule the sitting . . . and if she liked the pictures why would you even mention that people were sick???


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12/5/2005 8:17:43 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Laura, great job! I loved the one where the dog and the boy both had their heads tilted, TOO CUTE! Way to catch the moment! The dog sure was "ON", he looked very curious and interested. I also loved the picture of their feet, esp where you put their names, very neat idea (might have to use that:)and the one of them walking away.
Feel proud, you deserve it!


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12/5/2005 8:29:01 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I also liked the one with both of their hids tilted. . it was soooo cute . ..


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12/5/2005 8:40:24 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Thanks Ladies! We're using that shot of him and the dog with their heads tilted on their Christmas card! We all loved how they look so alike!


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12/5/2005 9:02:26 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I just posted the two card proofs I have so far in her gallery if you want to peek. She picked the templates and the photos and I adapted the design to fit. She wanted them to read "Happy Haladays!" They came out pretty cute!


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12/5/2005 9:06:05 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I love your card proofs also Laura. . . you are so creative . . . I just can't get any to look like I want them to .. . and how did you get that texture look on the red and green one?

I think I'm getting PSE 4.0 for christmas :-)))))


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12/5/2005 9:21:40 AM

 
Debbie Vega
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/23/2005
  Hey Laura, you are doing amazingly well, congratulations. Your cards are beautiful. How did tyou get that text. I have tried downloading from that site you mentioned but kep getting that I need to purchase winzip or something...

Have a great day..


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12/5/2005 10:08:21 AM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Laura! Awesome job! They are really cute. I love the feet ones, so cute in the slideshow how it goes color-bw-names. I loved it.


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12/5/2005 10:11:48 AM

 
Liz Hincka   Laura, great job on the latest shoot. Love the color in proof 012C, how did you do it?


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12/5/2005 10:16:14 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Liza,
Could you please send me the info on your templates again, my puter crashed and I lost it all...
thanks
:)


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12/5/2005 10:22:39 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  WOW! Thanks, all!!!

Let's see...

Debbie V: The text is from that site, it's Scriptina. If you can't just right click and click on extract, you need to get it unzipped or extracted somehow in order to load and use it.

Liz, 012C is using a Virtual Photographer filter called Reminiscing. I copied the original color photo to a new layer. Loaded the VP filter add on, tweaked the filter a bit to get it the way I wanted with the aged look, then decreased the opacity on that layer to reduce the aged look and let some of the color come through. Hope that helps!


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12/5/2005 10:50:30 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
 
 
 
Well I finally came up with a template I like for our Christmas cards... now if I can just get our pictures taken . . . hmmmmm.. . here it is. . . I may have to just put in stick figures hehehe. .

Laura. .. this virtual Photographer filter?? Do you use that with PSE? I have a terrible time downloading this stuff and getting it to work in my PSE 3.0. . .


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12/5/2005 11:07:37 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Great job on the template! LOVE the texture!

Yep, I had them loaded for PS, so I just copied the files and pasted them in the the filters folder in PSE Once you put them in there, when you click on Filters in PSE, all the way at the bottom you will see Optik Verve Labs. Hover your mouse over it, a popup will appear next to it for Virtual Photographer. Click it and a window will open with a preview of your image and a list of various filters. You can customize them and save them as new filters. If you save a new one, you need to click Load and select your custom filter to load it into the VP window. Hope that helps!


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12/5/2005 11:27:40 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hi everyone! I've been reading these posts, and have finally gotten brave enough to join in! haha Two things...
I did my first "paying" job a couple of weeks ago and would be interested in some feedback from all you seasoned pros out there. You can see the pictures I took at www.photosbybrenda.com/sweeney (sorry, I don't know how to make that a working link).

Also, tomorrow night I am meeting a dad at his house for pictures of him and his 11 yr old daughter. He is surprising his wife. Oddly enough, I am about to head to their house today to deliver their daughters volleyball pics I took and his wife wants to show off her christmas decorations. So the dad has asked me to "scout" the house for places for their pictures tomorrow. My question is this, I have two soft boxes and that is is. I use a D70 with just the standard lens and a 70-300mm lens. Any thoughts on things I should be concerned with? Also, any thoughts on poses for just a dad and his daughter? After I visit there today I'll have better ideas on what I have to work with. He's kicking his wife out of the house for a couple of hours! haha

Thanks everyone!


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12/5/2005 12:00:34 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  HI BRENDA! Thanks for joining in! Love your family shots...some beautiful candids in there! I really like the ones on the bridge and the ones of the boys! Great job!

I just did a shoot at someone's home over the weekend. I also have the D-70. I used ISO 200, shutter at 200, Aperture at f16. I set up my two strobes, one with a softbox, the other shooting through a white umbrella. It worked out pretty well! I really preferred the outdoor shots, though. I used Shutter Priority mode at 125 and ISO 200. No fill flash, just natural light. I was pretty limited as to my backdrop outdoors. It was in their backyard and ALL the new developments around Houston are crammed one house on top of another, so you have no trees, lots of housetops, wires and play equipment rising up over the border fences. NOT the ideal setting for portraits. I made the best of it, though. They are in the Haladay gallery under Proofs on my website gallery. For posing, if you are going to do formal portraits, Debby's your girl. Otherwise, if you follow your style from this last family shoot, you have infinite possibilities of them playing and talking and walking hand in hand!

Welcome to the thread!!!!


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12/5/2005 1:41:06 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Thanks Laura, and I already had checked out your Haladay gallery! I loved the shot of the feet with the names. It was perfect! I didn't get a chance to go to their home today, but will be going tomorrow morning for the wife. I don't have strobe lights and am almost embarassed to admit I'm not sure how to use them anyway! I just have the two softboxes. I am taking my camera tomorrow so I will come up with an excuse for taking a few shots! haha I'll try those settings you mentioned and depending on the lighting, I'll decide about flash. Although I'm taking the pics at 5pm ET so it will be dark and lighting will be slightly different anyway.

I'll be sure to post the link for them once I get them done tomorrow night and will be ready for some opinions!

Thanks for sharing Laura! I'm going to try to be more active in here, you are all so helpful!


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12/5/2005 2:31:42 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  What do you have hooked up to the softboxes? Are they cool lights or hot lights? Without knowing, it's really hard to say. You'll probably want to go with a smaller apeture and slower shutter...maybe 125 at f8 or less, depending on your lights. The biggest challenge for me was taking them against the fireplace, I kept getting shadows behind the plants on the mantle! I had to move the lights out more from the subjects to avoid it.

Strobes are SUPER easy! They are a definite investment, though.

Thanks for checking out my session! The early shots outdoors were taken at about 4pm; the later shots, by the pool, the feet and them walking, were taken at the end, closer to 5:15, and the sun was setting. I metered my exposure off the ground near my subjects without any sky in the frame in order to not underexpose them. The sky came out really grey-white, but it was intended to be a B&W anyway, so that didn't matter much.

GOOD LUCK! I look forward to seeing the proofs from your shoot!


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12/5/2005 3:04:03 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  I know this is going back but I was wondering if I could get some help with the downloading fonts thing. I went to 1001 fonts and tried to download a font. I printed off the instructions for installing on a window pc. I downloaded and extracted it and it is on my desktop and I move to step 2 (actual installation) I open windows, click on fonts icon, click on file menu and select "install new fonts" and the "add fonts" pops up and then I don't understand. It says locate the folder on your hardrive containing the extracted fonts. Well I can't find it anywhere but I see it on my desktop. I don't know much about computers so I am lost. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!


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12/5/2005 4:24:11 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  It doesn't allow you to access your desktop for some reason, that's why I tell everyone to move it from your desktop to your program files folder. You should be able to access it from there. Double click on the font file folder, it'll find the font files. Click Select All and Install. Should work like a charm! Good luck!


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12/5/2005 5:52:52 PM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  I just wanted to mention something about installing fonts incase no one knows this. Be careful not to install too many, or your computer will have problems. I think the limit is around 150, I'd have to check to make sure.. I save all extra fonts to a folder under documents. Then open the one I want and minimize the font, go to Paint Shop, click on the text tool and scroll to the one I want. I'm not sure it Photoshop works the same or not, try it and see.

Just my thoughts.


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12/5/2005 6:14:58 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  Thanks so much Laura, it worked!


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12/5/2005 6:16:05 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  This is probably a silly question but how do you guys take out red eye in ps7? I have always used my other program for that.


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12/5/2005 6:46:18 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  haha yeah, I'd like to know that too!


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12/5/2005 7:43:59 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Brenda, welcome!!
I did find a few father daughter examples, but will post them tommorrow.
I am so sorry,I just am not feeling well today- I have been in bed since shortly after 12:00 this afternoon.
Hopefully tommorrow will be a better day for me.
jsut remember to show the LOVE!
*if it's christmas ones they want dad and daughter holding a gift towards the camera( as a offering to mom)in front of tree.
* a big box wrapped in front of the tree-daughter inside and dad lifts the lid.
*daughter with arms around dads neck.
*them decorating the tree-if mom has a favorite ornament then have them put it on together( 1 on each side of tree, both with hand on orniment hanger)
*get a big shinny orniment and do the same as above-but get a picture of mom to overlay her face on that ball.
ok, I have to lay back down.
good night.


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12/5/2005 8:41:08 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
laura, I thought I would just show you the Disney candlelight event.
I prayed I just get something as I told you- here are a couple-Ithought i'd share with you all-
Merry Christmas.


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12/5/2005 8:46:03 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Well, the red-eye situation... I thought I had seen a red-eye adjustment tool somewhere in PS7, but I couldn't find it. You could use the magnetic lasso on the eyes and then go to your color Image Adjustments to Adjust Color and add cyan to balance out the red. I'm happy that now that I'm using PSE4 if I need one, it has a red-eye tool similar to Picture It and other programs I've used in the past.


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12/5/2005 9:17:03 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Tonya is right about too many fonts, I've mentioned that before. Too many will REALLY make your computer drag!

You're welcome, Melissa!

Hi, Debby! Still waiting on those pics! how'd it go with the boy today? Get any good shots?


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12/5/2005 9:18:52 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  On the Red eye situation . . . sometimes I use Noise Reduction for the whole image and have noticed it helps the red eye as well . . . so you might try selecting just the eye and use a noise reduction feature is ps7 has it and see if that works at all . ..


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12/5/2005 9:33:18 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
sorry, last night the computer was messin' off and I didn't feel well enough to deal with it - only solution that came to mind was-throw it,
so I just went back to bed.
let's see if it feels better today.
and I ended up in bed instead of getting Bruces pictures done.
I sware Laura, if he isn't good for me-I am going to post those test Angel pictures of that cloud background (thread 6 or 7) all over his high school,lol,lol.


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12/6/2005 5:54:11 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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heres a couple more -trying to give you a feel of how beautiful it really is every year.


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12/6/2005 6:06:59 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
heres a couple more -trying to give you a feel of how beautiful it really is every year.


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12/6/2005 6:08:26 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Looks like a Disney production for sure! Big, extravogant, well done and gorgeous!! Wish I was there!

Michelle, I think it was you above that commented on my cards...sorry I missed your post yesterday! Thanks for the compliments! I had SO MUCH fun designing cards (they're all in my BP gallery) but all of my clients that want cards want the one I designed for the client that didn't buy any!! LOL! The basic black with accents of red and the Christmas lights font on the first letters of Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas! It's the PC Lights font on one of those free sites I mentioned. To paint the colors in, you need to isolate just that letter on it's own layer. Select the pait bucket and the color you want to paint, click the areas on the letter to paint. A window will pop up telling you to simplify the layer, click ok. It will no longer be text, but a picture. Now you can color away!

For the texture on the cards, I used a variety of layer textures and patterns available in PSE and changed the depth of the texture and size of the pattern. I think for that one it was similar to a window screen, but I changed the size of the pattern and then replaced the color. I used a pavement texture for my snow on one! added a new layer in white on top and lowered the opacity so that some of the black and gray and the texture came through. I think I also changed the layer style to soft light...I can't remember. I hope that helps! Probably not til you get the PSE, huh?


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12/6/2005 7:29:33 AM

 
Liz Hincka   Michelle, is your N26 backdrop fantasy cloth from Backdrop Outlet?


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12/6/2005 8:54:24 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Hi Liz. .. yes my N26 FC is from BAckdrop outlet as well as almost all of my backdrops. .. and they are almost all fantasy cloths!


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12/6/2005 9:09:09 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Hi all! I'm going to shoot the father/daughter christmas photo this afternoon and would like some input. :)

My equipment I'm taking with me is: D70; 18-70mm; 70-300mm. Two soft-box lights (if my attching an image worked, see the picture); two small stools; and I have four cloths to use if needed. White; black; gold; and a gold/tan mix.

What I know about the house: dark walls (almost a taupe/tan); fireplace (that Dad is lighting when he gets home so we can use it); small tree decorated with reds. Dad & daughter will both be wearing jeans & white shirts.

Dad wants casual.

Should I do some (or all) barefoot? I've been seeing alot of posts from all of you with the barefeet and I like them? I am going to try some of Debby's suggestions on poses (except I don't have and couldn't make today the large box present for the daughter to pop out of).

The room is a rectangular shape with the fireplace being on one of the long walls at 9 o-clock (I like Debby's clock reference for placement); the tree is at 5; and there is a large brown leather sofa at 3.

Dad said I can move anything. He's going to get the room in order (Mom is still decorating) but then said I can move anything into it that I need. They do have some nice antique chairs that I will probably use.

Would it be too corny to have Dad in a chair by the fireplace with an open xmas book and daughter looking over his shoulder? That was one idea I had.

Anyway, I go in about 4hours, so any thoughts I'll take! Otherwise, check back this evening for the results!

Thanks to all!


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12/6/2005 9:58:36 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Okay, so I don't know how to add a photo! hahaha


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12/6/2005 10:01:57 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Brenda, call me-or send me a number and i'll call you


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12/6/2005 10:08:04 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
here's some unedited (there is no time now) dad and daughter types of poses.


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12/6/2005 10:11:07 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
here's some unedited (there is no time now) dad and daughter types of poses.


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12/6/2005 10:11:40 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I have more-I am lookin


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12/6/2005 10:19:20 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
if this disk is right you'll see something


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12/6/2005 10:20:27 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  going to pull them off the other computers


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12/6/2005 10:28:05 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Thanks for all the ideas Debby. I left you my number on voicemail. :) Hopefully we'll catch each other.


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12/6/2005 11:05:41 AM

 
Liz Hincka   Thanks Michelle! do you layer them over another solid backdrop or is it just the fantasy cloth we see hanging up? I was assuming fantasy cloth was pretty thin but your backdrops look great, and not thin or transparent. Maybe your trick is lighting them?
Also for anyone else, when you have placed an oder with MPIX, if you are ordering enlargments of a pic, and need multiple sizes like 11x14, 5x7 and wallets, do you send in multiple files of that photo or do you order from one file? Have you noticed any differences I guess or what works best for multiple sizes of one pic. Thanks all!


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12/6/2005 1:38:16 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Hi Liz. .. Yes I do layer my fantasy cloths. . . I have a royal blue one that I will put behind the N26 sometimes and almost always I put everything dark over a charcoal velour backdrop I have. ..if I'm using lighter backdrops then I of course use white muslin or something . . . The fantasy cloths are VERY thin but very versatile too . . . I need to order another N26 though because the one I have is already wearing thin from being caught in shoes and stuff. .. I don't usually do much with lighting my backdrops unless it's just using the modeling light! I think I need one of those barndoors or snoot things so I can direct the light. .. otherwise my strobe totally washes the backdrop out.

MPix. . . when ordering from them . . I have found for me personally that I upload an 8x10 for that size and 4x5. I upload 5x7 for those and wallets. . . if I'm wanting anything larger than 8x10 I crop to that size so I don't lose any resolution. It's a pain but saves me time when I am going through their ordering process and then I know exactly what I"m getting and no surprises on the cropping . .. and can also place my logos accordingly. I used to upload mostly the 8x12 size and then crop to fit but found that my logo would become so small on my wallets and I would have to place it so I could crop to all sizes that it just became easier to upload the different sized files. For some things like the sports pictures I can get by with using my 8x10 file for my wallets and 5x7 because I don't mess with my logo on those. I think you could probably get by with having an 11x14 and using it for your 10x13, 8x10, etc.


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12/6/2005 2:47:01 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
You know I was back reading looking for something someone had asked and I realized,I never put in the BEAUTIFUL templet Liza made for my golf tournament.
It is so very cute-she actually sent me two-one for the golfers and this one for any children there.
I just used the biggest kids I could find.
Thank You so much Liza and Laura for all your help.


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12/6/2005 2:56:42 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
You know I was back reading looking for something someone had asked and I realized,I never put in the BEAUTIFUL templet Liza made for my golf tournament.
It is so very cute-she actually sent me two-one for the golfers and this one for any children there.
I just used the biggest kids I could find.
Thank You so much Liza and Laura for all your help.


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12/6/2005 2:57:13 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Good evening All . .. Well it finally happened. .. my FIRST dissatisfied customer ... This was from the shoot I posted above(Papay family). . . and the same family that I had heard about twice this weekend that were sick and still came to the sitting. .. I finally called her yesterday and she didn't answer so I didn't leave a message and just thought I'd see if she called me back .. .she didn't so I then called again today .. . same thing . . no answer. .. well about an hour later she called back . . . and basically confirmed what I already knew. . . she said she didn't like them . .. not one of them .. . I apologized to her and she said it wasn't anything I did or didn't do but yet of course I do feel somewhat responsible... however she did go on to say that three of them were sick(got home and started throwing up)and that she didnt' like the way she looked. .. They "forgot" their checkbook the day of the sitting so they hadn't paid their sitting fee so she did offer to pay me that I just said not to worry about it . . . I certainly didnt' want my name associated with someone who charged $35 for crappy pictures. . . but she basically said if she was going to spend that much money she wanted them to look good ... she then said she did still want to take the 4 kids pictures. . .

I'm just kind of down I guess. . . Honesly in my heart I knew they weren't the best pictures and wasn't surprised she didn't liek them . ..and the things I feel most responsible for is the way I posed them which is usually my "problem". Can someone take a look at the pics in above in this thread and offer some suggestions . . .

Some things I knew before the shoot was of course they had 4 kids and two very small ones, and that they were very large parents. . . we were supposed to do an outdoor shoot but the weather didn't cooperate. . . I really feel an outdoor sitting would have done alot better because it wouldn't have downsized their size but instead doing them in the studio it looks like I had to cram 2 big adults and 4 kids into the sitting(which I basically did). She was the one who chose to do the indoor sitting when I called to ask her because of the weather forecast.

But my other question I guess for future reference is . . . have any of you photographed people that were quite large? I myself am not a skinny minnie and therefore always feel like I look fat in pictures, but I also look in the mirror each day and I guess would expect to look that way. . . Naturally that doesn't mean heavy people shouldn't get their pictures taken but I guess I just don't know what they might expect from a photographer. . . So besides posing differently what else could I have done differently(besides decline the sitting since I knew them LOL) The mom also chose a bright red shirt and tucked it in and then as you can see red and yellow were their "colors". I also know I could have done just more upper body stuff but with the two little kids I just wasn't into it good enough I guess. . . I have two stools and a bench and then some step stools . . . my room is only about 13-14 feet wide and I was struggling with getting far enough back to allow for an 8x10 crop but yet be close enough to not do any full body stuff. . . however. . . she said she wanted some floor shots with them sitting and stuff. .. and before she left that day she asked me what I thought and I showed her the images in the camera which I know is nothing like seeing it bigger. . . and she felt like there was something to work with .. .

So again she did say how it wasn't my fault but she simply didn't like the pictures and I think it was mostly the way she looked in them. .. I basically told her not to worry about the sitting fee and she didn't insist on paying so at least I don't feel obligated to do a reshoot . .. and she didn't really inquire in regards to a family reshoot but just commented about getting the kids done . . . and to be honest . . . her kids are very difficult and can be a real pain not to mention the two boys are 3 months and 15 months so needless to say I will most definitely make her get back with me to set up an appointment . ..

Okay sorry this is so long . . but again if anyone would mind taking a look at the Papay Pics above in the thread(posted around the 26th) I'd appreciate it!


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12/6/2005 4:50:36 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Hey Michelle! I'll give you my unprofessional thoughts. I think some poses standing up at an angle with one of the the children in front of each of the parents may slim them down a little. I agree with the bright red tucked in shirt was a bad move on her part. You can only work with what you have. I wonder if she would really like any picture anyone took right now? As for me right now I haven't lost much wieght from my two kids and I don't care who takes I picture I'm sure I wouldn't like it. Our family took a picture a while back of the four of us on our tummies outside and they were cute cause they hid my double chinnnnn! I won't take offense. You did your job. And maybe the dad needs a featherduster to smile?


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12/6/2005 5:44:31 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Hi Andrea. . . Thanks for your thoughts. . . I did think of a standing pose. . . and should have tried it I guess. . . but they are both fairly tall also and so I was concerned with getting the top of the backdrop bar in the photo and not being able to crop it out . . . I hope no one takes offense when I am concerned about taking pics of heavy people but I just need help and didn't know how else to really say it . . . I know if we could have done them outside they would have turned out much better because the outdoors would have surrounded them rather than them cramming into the indoors. .. the kids were all just such different sizes too and the two little ones just kind of had me with blankness .. .I had several "outdoor" poses in mind . . . I really do not prefer to do family pics especially ones with small children(babies) and am very tempted to just try to make it doing Seniors and individual kids or perhaps just a couple of kids. .. but then I get families with all older kids who are fun and easy to work with and I don't want to leave them out ... I live in a very small town so I pretty much know all my clients... and I guess it will be to my best interest to screen situations like this and perhaps just not be able to find a time for them . .. that's copping out I know but I'm just really feeling bad about this and afraid it will get back to others in town . . .

As far as the dad and smiling . .. I did jokingly say .. .now we need a smile from dad too when I was trying to get the kids to smile and he allowed how he was smiling from the inside. .. so even my feather duster didnt' work :-(

Please everyone understand that I in no way am trying to ridicule anyone that might feel like they are heavy but simply just feel like that was my problem with the posing here. ..


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12/6/2005 5:54:56 PM

 
Pat Wimpee   Michelle, I think we all struggle with this. I know I do!! My thought would be to try and have the mom and dad angled on the stools. Put the bench (or even cinder blocks if the bench is too tall) in front with the two older kids sitting on it covering the mom and dad's middle. The each parent can hold a younger one on their outside leg. Does that make sense? I think that would help cover the problem spots better.


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12/6/2005 7:40:55 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Hi everyone,
I am already 2 days behind on this thread. I'll have to do some catching up later but:

Laura, Beautiful family shots. Well done BTW, absolutely love your card designs!!!!

Michelle, As you well know, I struggle with family posing, so I am no expert to give advice. Debby gave me lots of really good tips last week and that has helped a lot. Looking at your pictures, I would have to agree with the Pat's advice mentioned above. Mom and dad on the ground might benefit from having the 2 older kids in front of them, maybe lying on the ground. The one with them in the chairs is more challenging because they need to be able to hold the little ones. Maybe if mom could be angled to the side more and having dad somehow stradle the chair, that way it is not a straight on shot, and then having the 2 older children in front of the parents, or off to the side, angled in to them. I feel for you. As you know, I have my own challenges with posing, but keep in mind, every time you do this, you learn one more thing. So, the next time, you will be ahead one more step for a similar situation. I think the clothing choices to detract from the picture, but that is beyond your control. Each time we do this, we get better, so don't be discouraged.

Debby, what would your advice be?


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12/6/2005 8:17:56 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Thanks Lynn . . . of course I see all kinds of . . .If only's. . . after I get the pics home and look at them closer. ..

Debby's advice to me is probably to find a new hat LOLOL . . .

I know you say practice makes things easier but I just somedays feel like I'm taking huge steps backwards. . . is it possible to be a photographer that doesn't do families .. .they are absolutely my least favorite . . . with the exception of a very few that have had older children! But how do you tell people when they call . . that Hey I do great on individual photos but families I really stink . .. seriously .. .


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12/6/2005 8:26:32 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Well, I did the shot with the dad & the daughter. Let me start by saying that I'm not happy with them.

Their wall colors are dark, the room was very narrow and everything & everybody was very tight. I tried the best I could. This is my first true paid shoot (not that it is in any way an excuse for what you are looking at!) :)

Anyway, I've emailed Debby and asked her to be brutally honest, so I would ask anyone else for the same. I truly want to learn to do better and I can't think of a better way than to get honest input & comments from everyone here.

I'm going to show them to the dad and go from there. He wanted all light, fun, casual pics. Nothing formal, nothing too posed.

I have to go to bed now (really!) so I won't see your comments until tomorrow, but I will be checking first thing in the morning.

Thank you all in advance! I'll get my coffee before I log in so I'll be ready! haha


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12/6/2005 9:04:15 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Well, I did the shot with the dad & the daughter. Let me start by saying that I'm not happy with them.

Their wall colors are dark, the room was very narrow and everything & everybody was very tight. I tried the best I could. This is my first true paid shoot (not that it is in any way an excuse for what you are looking at!) :)

Anyway, I've emailed Debby and asked her to be brutally honest, so I would ask anyone else for the same. I truly want to learn to do better and I can't think of a better way than to get honest input & comments from everyone here.

I'm going to show them to the dad and go from there. He wanted all light, fun, casual pics. Nothing formal, nothing too posed.

I have to go to bed now (really!) so I won't see your comments until tomorrow, but I will be checking first thing in the morning.

Thank you all in advance! I'll get my coffee before I log in so I'll be ready! haha


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12/6/2005 9:07:56 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
I don't understand adding pictures to the thread so forgive me. :(


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12/6/2005 9:09:24 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Here are two more. I'm sorry for the extra entries!


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12/6/2005 9:11:56 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Last two, then I'm off to bed.


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Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
 
 
 
Last two, then I'm off to bed. Sorry!


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12/6/2005 9:14:46 PM

 
Andrea Tuft
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/12/2005
  Brenda, I like the one with there backs together. I would crop it and fix the color a bit and it would be really cute.


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12/6/2005 9:19:36 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Brenda,
you are being MUCH to hard on yourself!!
You did VERY well your first time out.
you do need to keep learning about posing-the more you see "correct Posing" the more your "minds eye " will copy it.
ok, lets look at each one:
*number 1: just not a good pose.
*#2 girl leaning on Dad: this is cute, you got eye direction good job!
try opening these in PS and using auto levels.
*#3 back to back: VERY ,VERY GOOD! this is the hardest pose to keep eye direction and YOU NAILED IT!!!
GOOD JOB!
*head shots are good: dad's nose should have come towards you a little more- I tease poeple-"..come on strech, little more if it is uncomfortable it's a good pose.." keep in mind this statement is VERY TRUE! when we are comfotable we release muscles,that when kept tight help us to look more awake, alive, younger and even thiner.
* the little girls shots both perfect and cute- great eyes on both -the full length one could have the nose come a round just a bit more- but it is ever so slight-you did a great job.
just brighten them up in PS. or send them to me and I will do the corrections and send them back to you .
I told you I would be HONEST if you asked me to be.
you did a very good job.

Michelle,
I do not belive I have EVER told anyone EVER to quit! or get a NEW HAT.
I have offered you to call as I do everyone else- you never have.
so I don't comment any more, because I feel like you are satisfited with yourself as a photographer- and I don't comment much any more unless the person has contacted me and said : "please comment on the thread so others can learn, email me privetly or ..."
I am still here if you would like to chat-I know where you are at as a photographer- watched this stag many, many times-it's something you have to decide to correct.
Do I think anyone with a passion should quit-NO!
I think you need some understanding- this is a real place you are in and everyone can experiance it at some time.
it is that "make it or brake it place"
to so many of you ,thanks for your trust in calling me, for all of you I am there if you need a bit of help.
same for you Michelle.
Wishing you a better day. :-)


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12/7/2005 7:05:45 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Debby I didn't mean for you to take that literally(telling me to find a new hat). . . I thought by putting the LOLOL that would signify I was trying to make light of the situation . . . I'm sorry! Perhaps my time for this thread has expired! Wishing all of you the best for this holiday season! I have appreciated everyone's help tremendously!


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12/7/2005 7:13:23 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Michelle,
I am in no may mad at you.
I am however concerned that you may quit in stead of talking about the cure for this situation.
I have been in place my self and most of you will be it is easier to quit, but so much more satisfiing to talk this through and get your direction clear.
Mine came from a women who was at the time my boss-and it was our biggest step being the good friend we are today.
and I thank GOD for Auny Robbinson!
and that she cared enough to not let me quit.
but this is on line - all I can do is offer a talk.


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12/7/2005 7:21:40 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hey, All! Sorry I've been doing hit-and-run posts lately! I haven't had tons of time to comment. HOWEVER, I feel I must now...

Everyone is starting to take things VERY personally and I think some are just getting so frustrated and canít seem to pull out of the slump theyíre in. Time for support group intervention!!!!!!

YOU WILL! Keep plugging along and YOU WILL!!! THANKFULLY, I DID! Iím feeling very confident now, as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when I was seconds away from throwing in the towel and sell all my equipment on e-bay over a few bad shoots and difficult clients!

My suggestions...Keep looking at everyone's work. Scour the internet for inspiration - IT HAS REALLY HELPED ME pull out of my slump, believe me! I have a folder in my favorites called Inspiration and I refer to it and add to it often! Seeing others work that I admire not only get's my creativity flowing again, but it makes me say "well now why do I think I can't do that?" Of course I can, and SO CAN YOU! All of you! KEEP GOING!!! DON'T QUIT!!!!!!

Thanks to Debby for talking me down off the ledge a few times!!!! Talking to someone who's been there has helped tremendously!!!!


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12/7/2005 7:28:34 AM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  Again . . I never have seriously considering throwing in the towel . . and my comment was simply to try to brighten up my mind over a dissatisfied customer... I have too much invested in this to quit now and I have lots of happy customers. . . I simply was asking for advice for a certain TYPE of clientfor future reference but I will say I will seriously consider finding a discreet way to screen future clientele if I do not think I can capture them in a way that they will find pleasing to themselves... I will continue to post my better work in my gallery so everyone feel free to keep in touch! Again I thank everyone for the help I have received here and although I don't always comment I do use alot of it.


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12/7/2005 7:35:47 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Brenda,
I will offer up my opinion here, I would want this from you and the others here as well if it were me. I am certianly no big pro, I have more to learn than I like to think about, but I think one of the best ways to learn is from our peers, so here is my two cents, that and a subway token...well you know the expression :)
I agree with Andrea, the one with their backs together is cute, with a few fixes as she suggested, it would be fine.
I also think the one of the girl laying on her tummy is fine, I would crop in in as well, but I am sure you left that extra space for cropping. The head shot of the girl, the holiday garland looks to be coming out of her head (this is something I have to pay constant attention to myself). The head shot of the dad has some shadow issues, again one that I am dealing with as we speak, I had a wedding do that to me and I spend two days cloning. I got some advice about it on this site and I was told to (1) get your subjest away from the wall (not always possible though) and (2) get the flash above them to throw the shadow down, either bounce the light off the cieling or wall, and/or use a stroboframe if using on camera lighting(which I don't think you did here right?) I have been practicing with this, but I have a wedding this weekend, and I am nervous as hedouble hockey sticks about it. The two of them together with the chair is a good one too, the shadow issue there again, and I would crop that above his belly if possible, that area looks a little unattractive and it would get rid of her legs being spread apart. The garland is growing out of his head on this one too, but it is a cute pose. The one of him in the chair and her on the floor, again cute! I would have tried to straighten her shirt, and it seems dark, maybe you could lighten it a bit?
All that said, I think you did ok. I looked at your gallery and your website, and you have some great photos! I think you are very creative as well! Maybe you got a little nervous, it being your first paid job? Especially with some details that were not easy to work with. I do that, and tend to forget the little details, like straightening the clothes, or a bra strap showing, or things in the background. I have to make myself scan before I take a pic, I forget easily when I am nervous. Don't beat yourself up too bad :)


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12/7/2005 7:49:27 AM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Thank you Debby, Tonya & Andrea!

I really appreciate the input and the help. I just looked back over them as I was reading everyones input, and I can see exactly what each of you are talking about. The nose more forward; the shadows (and Tonya, I was actually using two softboxes, I guess my placement wasn't right, it was such a narrow area to be working in.)

I have tons of inspiration from all of you and I'll just chalk this up as step one of a fun & exciting career! If they order one print, it was a success as far as I'm concerned! One is better than none, right? haha

I do have another question for all of you. I'm not the greatest with PS7 yet (still keep the dummies book handy!) so do you make any & all corrections before you print the proofs or do you just do simple corrections and then print the proofs & do extensive corrections only on the ordered poses? The reason I ask is that I spent just an hour last night doing auto contrast correct on every shot (yes, their house & colors were that dark even with the softboxes & flash, although I totally forgot to use my add-on-flash ---- BLONDE MOMENT----- ).

So do I spend the time doing the clean up, cloning, etc now or just explain to the Dad that those things will be cleaned up before printed?

Also, the rest of the pictures can be seen at www.photosbybrenda.com/kirsch (sorry, I don't know how to make that a link).

Thanks again everyone. You are all truly talented people and I am learning so much from all of you even though I may not post often, I read every day and I told Debby on the phone yesterday, I have a journal at my computer with all the tips & hints & comments I find that I may need to use later! My own personal BP Bible!

Thanks again! I'll let you know how it goes when Dad sees them. If he isn't happy with them, I may offer to take some additional shots outside somewhere.


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12/7/2005 11:18:53 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Brenda,
Such a good attitude, it is just one step, you can't achieve success until you fail here and there....that is what I tell myself. I have a feeling he will order, I looked at the rest of themand there are some good ones in there.
Regarding the ps repairs, personally, I would not let my customer see anything that was not the very best I could present to them,if they bring something up after that, then you can tell them if it can or cannot be corrected. One of the first things I learned about photography, is to show only your best work to anyone who could be a prospective customer, and that really makes sense. I love your idea about the BP Bible, think I will start one!


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12/7/2005 12:38:55 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Brenda, am I to understand that you didn't have the on camera flash that signals the slave on your lights?
RE:"I totally forgot to use my add-on-flash"
well then you lights would not pop correctly if at all-hence the problem.
and next tiem problem solved.lol
I have done this same stuff-example those disney shots-The ONE event I wait ALL YEAR to go to-I forgot the flash.lol,lol
I have also gone to a event shoot and remembered the laptop , but.....
forgot the power cord- what a goofball.


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12/7/2005 12:59:01 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Brenda,
Such a good attitude, it is just one step, you can't achieve success until you fail here and there....that is what I tell myself. I have a feeling he will order, I looked at the rest of themand there are some good ones in there.
Regarding the ps repairs, personally, I would not let my customer see anything that was not the very best I could present to them,if they bring something up after that, then you can tell them if it can or cannot be corrected. One of the first things I learned about photography, is to show only your best work to anyone who could be a prospective customer, and that really makes sense. I love your idea about the BP Bible, think I will start one!


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12/7/2005 1:00:52 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Debby, check your email, I sent you two versions of the template you needed, I hope this helps.

I want to spend time on here, but I'm still fighting with figuring out writing HTML code on my website. Wow!!! I'm feeling like I'm working with a foreign language. I'm determined to do this on my own though. I'm just so afraid of messing up the one that I already have by trying to make changes instead of letting someone who knows what they're doing do it.

I love the BP bible idea.


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12/7/2005 1:27:47 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
here is one- the one I did- now i'll have to use yours.


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12/7/2005 1:34:14 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
here


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12/7/2005 1:37:20 PM

 
Tonya R. Boles
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/7/2004
  Liza,
For HTML help check out this site for online lessons. They are FREE...I took a few lessons and it really helped me. I was trying to learn Front Page, but finslly gave up and went with something else. If you have questions, contact me, I will see if I can help. I'm not a pro at it, but I'll do my best to help.
Tonya B.
http://www.webtechu.com/


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12/7/2005 3:28:51 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
© Debby A. Tabb
Nikon D70 Digital ...
 
  a little colorized
a little colorized
© Debby A. Tabb
Nikon D70 Digital ...
 
 
Ok here are a couple of Bruces shots.
Liza, I will be working with the templet first- wanted to see what you thought about this- to hide his goofy behavior- ?


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12/7/2005 3:37:46 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Wow Debby, these are great!!! I really like them in the B&W and the color touches look really good.

Tonya thanks for the offer for help, I may take you up on that one. I'll check out the website too.


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12/7/2005 4:41:19 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  Cool pics Debby! Those are awesome!

I am trying to do a collage in photoshop and I would like it print an 8x10 at mpix. It says the biggest I can print it is a 5x7 so I was wondering what I need to set it at on photoshop.

thanks.


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12/7/2005 5:10:45 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  I posted this in new questions also under OMG need help....but wanted to get it here too, I am in big trouble if I cant figure this out!.....
I hope someone can help me. I went digital about a month ago and have been practicing and shooting and loving my nikon D50. I bought 3 1g sd memory cards. Something has happend to two of the cards, they just all the sudden are unreadable. The first one, I thought my card reader was defective because it quit being recognizable by my puter so I thought it ruined the card or something like that. Tonite I was taking pics of my kids and I had the card about 2/3 full and it just quit. Camera would no longer snap and card had message CHR. THe book says this means the card is unusable!!! what the blankety blank blank??? My husband put the card in his mp3 player to see if it would read it and it says it has 0 bytes!!! I have a wedding to shoot SATURDAY!! This cannot happen. I need to know what is happening or why it is happening or how to fix it or something. Please, does anyone know???


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12/7/2005 5:19:18 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Tonya,
Did you formay the cards to the camera when you put them in?
and what type are they? I trust ONLY my Lexar 80 and scan disk EXTREME cards.
the Extreme 1gig.is fast and has been reliable and the lexar 1 gig. is a real quality card I trust at 80 it is fast.
is thecamera new and where did ya get it- options , to take it back or get advise from them- call Nikon customer service for advise- and the makers of the cards-or take them back and have them replaced.
I have never had this problem, I am sorry you are going through it- but hey- bright side- better now then at the WEdding.
Debby


Thanks lisa- I am really glad you think this is better-I told Bruce you were mad with him,lol and read hin your note- he said to tell you OK- he'll stop it. goofball

Thank You Melissa as well- I just resize the collage and save at 300DPI.
and have made them perfect off Liza's cd up to 11x14.
hope this helps.


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12/7/2005 5:34:36 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  The cards are san disk, but the nikon store told me they would be fine. I did not format them, I put them in and they went to working so I did not think I had to...in my previous exp with formatting, whatever you were using would tell you when your data needed to be formatted...like I have a dvd recorder that prompts me to format if I insert and unformatted dvd. This may be the prob, but w/o formatting I could still read the pics on the prev one, it went bad as I was looking on it, but I used it for several days first. Also, one of them will only let you fill to 512k even though it is a gig. Do I have to format each card to the camera? I have tried that to them now and no go, it wont even recognize the card as anything but "unusable"...oh got the cards at best buy
The camera is new, about a month or so now, and I will give them a call in the AM


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12/7/2005 5:47:37 PM

 

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  I would like to say to Michelle that I really enjoy your work and hope that the posing becomes easier for you. I struggle sometimes too.

I feel like Debby jumped down your throat and that was terribly uncalled for.

I personally would never call someone off the forum and I don't believe that makes you unworthy to help. I think you are a better photographer and that they should be calling you.

Just my two cents. It seems my time on this entire site has expired. I think that alot of people get really poor advice here from a small handfull of people.

Michelle, feel free to contact me. I wouldn't mind staying in touch with you. I enjoy your work immensely. Keep up the good work!

Amber


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12/7/2005 5:55:47 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I am so sorry, I really don't know everything sounds in order.
scan disk should be fine-the Extremes just run faster.
if you are shooting raw- that will fill your card in about half the time.
but there still seems to be a problem.
yes, call Nikon first! and do make sure they know this is your shooter for a up comming wedding, being that is still on warrenty- hopefully they will help you out faster.
and I most likely would still replace the disks as well- take them back to best nuy and again explain that you really can not take a chance the cards will freeze at the wedding.
again, I am sorry, I have no real help for you- hopefully some one on Bp can help.
debby


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12/7/2005 5:59:48 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Amber,
I am sorry you feel that way - I will say it agsin, I was in NO way mad or put off by what Michelle had said.
I was just concerned she would quit- so I addressed it.I had not even been posting, I was home sick when she involved me.
I do not ever want to see someone quit.
I do not comment on Michelles posts of images , not to punish her in some way- but because I have not been told by her that she wants help or feels she needs any.As I have by others.
Again, I offered her to call or send me a number because this is a stag in the development of the photographer that is a difficult one, and should be discussed on a one on one - when the person can hear in your voice that you are trying to help and have simpathy for what they are going through, because you ,yourself havebeen there.


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12/7/2005 6:08:41 PM

 
Debbie Nelson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/19/2001
  Debby,

I have not posted in a while, but I just felt I needed to do so tonight. I think Debby was giving honest professional advice. I have not had the time to take any pictures these past few months because of my colleges classes, but I know I will eventually get that camera back in my hands. And when I post the pics here and ask for comments and opinions, that is exactly what I want. Debby I appericate the straight forward and direct to the point advice you give. I thank you for your honesty and your willingness to share the knowledge you have gained from the many years in the photography business. We do not grow unless we learn from or bad experiences. We all have so much to share and learn. Just my two cents worth.
Deb


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12/7/2005 6:35:53 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Thank You Debbie N.,
For your support- I really appreciate your kind words- Have honestly tried to be supportive to any and everyone here in their goals, I only responded to her post because I surly don't want anyone thinking I may say something like that in a privite email etc.
most of the time if someone needs to have some time to just talk out a few things - I call them, I don't why anyone would would hesitate, the help here has been all free- and in most cases a pleasure to give and see when helpful.
I want you all to know this has been a pleasure to spend time with you.
and to get to know some of you by phone.


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12/8/2005 7:03:21 AM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Well, I don't know Debby T personally, and I am fairly new to this thread, but I have never seen someone so willing to help others, esp online. She gives her time and knowlege so freely. She talks in person to those who are interested in purchasing things, and does research for them...I mean, this goes above and beyond if you ask me. I think she is an angel!


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12/8/2005 7:32:02 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  I have learned more from this thread than any class that I took. Everyone has been very helpful and great!

I have another photo shop question. Thanks for the last one Debby about resizinge the collage. That worked!

I am trying to make another one and I use the marquee tool to cut out my little squares, and I wasn't sure if there was something I could do after cutting out one square and then getting the exact same size of square of the first one.


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12/8/2005 8:42:20 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Thank You again- you both are very kind and it is a pleasure to know that you are enjoying this thread and all it's wonderful content.
now, when it comes to MOST ps stuff- I am SO FAR BEHIND you guys!!!
Liza and Laura are the ones who have helped me so VERY much. And all of you have been so inspiring with your designs!
I just got lucky one day , Liza had sent me a test CD of the BIGGER film strip(plenty of Pandas) and I was messin with it an dsent it to costco to print as a 11x14- she was surprised that you could resize her templetes- but YOU CAN!! it just takes NOT knowing what your doing,lol,lol.
I know they can help- but until they get back to you- how about a square font, place them where you want them, then go back and cut them out??
would that work?


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12/8/2005 8:58:17 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
 
This is what I did, but I know the pictures are not even.


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12/8/2005 9:12:22 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
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coll
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one more try


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12/8/2005 9:13:39 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Melissa,
really very , very cute- and if there not ( never trust my eyes,lol,lol)
then they so very close.
great job!


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12/8/2005 9:18:36 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Ok Melissa, let me see if I can get this all typed out for you. We'll see how long my little one is patient with me being on the computer:)

Fill you page with the color you want by pressing alt & backspace. Using the marquee tool make your selection size for your opening, press delete. The area should still have the selection around it. You should be able to move your mouse over and inside the selection and click and move that selection box over to where you want the next opening and then press delete.

There is a more detailed way that I do mine because I am a picky perfectionist. I will be happy to share that with you if you want to give me a call and I'll walk you through it step by step over the phone. Its so much easier that way. I'll send you an email with my home number and the shop number, not sure where I'll be today.


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12/8/2005 9:50:10 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
 
Thanks a bunch Liza!


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12/8/2005 11:42:08 AM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
  They Smythe Girls
They Smythe Girls
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:)


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12/8/2005 11:43:15 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Ok, It takes me SOOOOO long to do this stuff you all do with such ease.how do you shoot a razzberry with text.lol
just kidding - I really thank you all for the help.
Ok Liza and Laura, you have seen the other options for Bruces gifts to his Grandmothers- here is the third- is this a better look?? for his age or too old?
Honest Opinions- I am no good at this.


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12/8/2005 11:51:18 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
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Ok, It takes me SOOOOO long to do this stuff you all do with such ease.how do you shoot a razzberry with text.lol
just kidding - I really thank you all for the help.
Ok Liza and Laura, you have seen the other options for Bruces gifts to his Grandmothers- here is the third- is this a better look?? for his age or too old?
Thank you Liza so much because - Professional Photographers DO screw up!!! I had forgotten to turn Bruce( the Brat is so hard to Photograh,lol)
and Liza , taught me how to flip him.
and Laura, for ALL the WONDERFUL fonts she shared!! thanks guys :-)
Honest Opinions- I am no good at this.


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12/8/2005 11:54:12 AM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  Oh Debby, I really like the top one with the trio of portraits. But, a grandma might like the 2nd collage more because it shows him just have fun and being silly. Both are great, that's going to be a hard choice. Another thing to think of I guess is how much wall space does grandma have. Is one bigger than the other when printed? The top one just has a really nice quality to it that draws you into it. So I've been of no help here since I like both. Ok Laura, your turn:)


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12/8/2005 1:41:04 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  LOL,LOL,LOL
YEP, YOUR AS BAD AS I AM,LOL
I CAN'T DECIDE SO I PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE!!
THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING ONE A CARD AND I FOR THE WALL- BUT PROBUBLY TOO MUCH BRUCE,LOL.

BUT, THANKS, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO GIVE.
I HOPE YOUR HAVING A GREAT DAY LIZA,:-)


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12/8/2005 2:11:43 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I like the top one for a card or a gift (I might bring his name down just a tad) but I like the bottom one, too. It'd be a great framed collage! How about both??? (I know...I'm no help, either.)


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12/8/2005 2:29:58 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  Debbi,
ok, I have looked and looked and if I had to pick then I would pick the first one! I love the black on black.

Everyone,
Do you resize your pictures before you have them printed? I made a collage in photoshop and it is just to big. When I sent it to Mpix and clicked on an 11x14 it just crops most of my picture out.


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12/8/2005 2:35:46 PM

 
Cyndee Wanyonyi
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/7/2005
  HI Melissa,
When I make a collage, I begin the collage by opening it to whatever I want the size to be. Just begin your 11 x 14 by making an 11x14 canvas.

I actually got the idea for the template above from another photographer's samples on her website...I can't remember where, I'll try to post it later...but she has great card ideas on her website. Anyway, I can't take credit for the creative energies running with that card (originally used as a baby announcement).
Cyndee ><>


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12/8/2005 2:42:08 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
 
can you do that when you are using a picture as the background? I opened the picture and I changed the canvas size to 11x14 and it cut most of the picture off.


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12/8/2005 3:28:18 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
 
 
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collage
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This is the pic I am trying to print an 11x14 and when I send it to mpix it just cuts every thing off because its too big. I found the measurements to print on thread 2 and I tried them but the pic was still to big. I was just wondering if it is even possible?


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12/8/2005 3:31:05 PM

 
Christy Jackme
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/3/2005
  I haven't followed any of these threads in a while because of Debby's sometimes misguided and snappy advice to people. But I heard a rumor that some not so nice things were being said again.
Amber, Michelle, and anyone else who feels the same:
Do not let this one person discourage you from BetterPhoto. There are hundreds of professional photographers on here with lots of great advice, constructive criticism and knowledge to offer. I have had so many positive experiences here. I'm sorry for anyone that has not felt the same.
If you are interested, CJ Patterson and Laura OConnor have started a yahoo group for a lot of us starting our businesses. And it has been a very supportive and positive place. For anyone interested contact one of them, or send me your e-mail and I will pass it along.
And Debby.... I think it's time you started paying betterphoto for all of the advertising space you are taking up!


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12/8/2005 4:29:23 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  I have talked about Liza's Cd's lately,
Not my own- you really do need to re- read some of this before jumping on me.
Most members I talk to have sent me their number-I call them so it doesn't cost them- and have I charged any of you for ANYTHING?
I don't think so-I have given everything I have for free.


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12/8/2005 4:46:13 PM

 
Lynn Snow
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/30/2005
  Okay, everyone, this thread is taking a major downward plummet these last couple of days. While, I am not able to always keep up with the thread on a daily basis, I have been participating in this since the summer. I have learned more on here than anywhere else. But, the best part has always been the support and friends made. It is a shame to everyone involved to lose all of this for a few dissatified people.

I have to say, I had never talked to Debby personally until 2 weeks ago. I was having posing problems and she spent close to 2 hours on the phone with me, giving me advice and support. I am so very thankful for her and her willingness to help others. She has a very good heart and it is a shame to see it being trashed lately.


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12/8/2005 4:57:08 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  I am so unhappy about the turn this thread has taken. It had started because there were a few of us needing the same thing...guidence on our portraiture and starting a business. Way back in September, I had approached Debby about starting a Yahoo group to continue it so we weren't tying up the BP threads, but so many people started to join in and share and ask for help that we kept it here. I kept asking Debby to move it to Yahoo, but she insisted that we keep it here to help more people in the position Betsy and I were in when this thread started. A LOT of people have been helped, whether they post here or not. A LOT. Debby has given freely her advice, knowledge and experience to anyone willing to listen and learn. Anyone posting here asking for advice and critique should expect just that. To my knowledge, Debby has never posted anything here without permission from the photographer to post it in the public forum. Just because others may disagree with her advice does not mean that she doesn't know what she's talking about from her own many years in the business. I don't have that experience, but have felt that I have something to add. I'm sure plenty of people on here, lurkers and posters alike, probably think I'm talking out of my A@@ because a few short months ago I had NO CLUE what I was doing. But, I can offer my advice from my own experience and from things I've learned quickly along the way, and that is all I can offer, take it or leave it. Same with Debby, Liza and everyone else here. The Yahoo group was a collaboration on mine and CJ's part largely to continue this type of forum in a more private area, but for ANYONE who wanted to join, whether or not you even own a camera or have 50 years in the business, it's open to everyone on every level who has a passion for portraiture...just like here.

I don't think the way this is turning out and turning on Debby is fair in the least. I'm sorry that a couple of people misundertood or took offense to anything that has been said or posted here. Christy, I have been friendly with you on a personal and professional level and will continue to do so, but I really think your reappearance just to attack Debby was childish, rude and uncalled for.

Since this thread seems to be taken up by just that, misunderstandings and miscommunications and plain ol insults. I am highly suggesting we end it here. It is doing no one any good anymore, I can't weed through all of the PC crap to get to why I'm here...to learn and share. I just don't have the time and energy for it anymore.

Good luck to everyone and Happy Holidays. For anyone who'd like to keep in touch, please contact me any time.

And now for how I really feel... LOL!


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12/8/2005 5:33:23 PM

 
Tonya Cozart
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/22/2003
  Well, I don't want to see the thread end, I love it here. if you don't like it here, don't visit, it is quite simple.
To try and turn this back ...
I am looking at softboxes on ebay...steve's stuff, and what power level do I need? I want this to be supplemental to the light kit I will buy soon(unknown kit at this time). I want to put it on my christmas list...there are several powers to choose from...any help?


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12/8/2005 6:28:44 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Well said Laura! and I'm with Tonya, I don't want to see this end. Heck, I'm still trying to re-read all the other threads to keep up! hahaha

Debby helped me, a little newbie, a great deal this week and others have helped me too (they just don't know it). This is a great place, I hope it keeps going.

Oh... and in case anyone cares... it's 10:04pm here in Maryland and it's snowing. Now there's something to smile about! :)

Take care all our photo friends!


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12/8/2005 7:03:41 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Thanks to those that have reached out to me, I truly appreciate all of your kind words! Please don't get me wrong, I personally can't end this thread, as it is not "mine" and doesn't "belong" to me! All of you...KEEP IT GOING! I may pop in on occasion, I just won't be as involved. Let's be honest, I haven't had much to say lately anyway, I've been to busy to keep up with you all! Please feel free to continue this wonderful forum and keep plugging along and learning from eachother!!!


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12/8/2005 7:08:36 PM

 
Brenda M. Wolfensberger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/29/2004
  Hey, here's something I'd like to share... MPIX ROX!!!! :)

I just ordered some prints from them for a friend. Then I ordered all their sports items (with my daughters volleyball pics) and I'm entering four photos in a contest at our local art museum and I ordered the four 16x20's from MPIX. All this was done between Monday & Tuesday and I have everything today. And WOW!!! They are amazing. (well, the photo was pretty darned good to start with!) haha but their quality and service are just amazing.

Anyone who has't tried them yet, should! They are almost half the cost of the only "good" lab in our area and I don't have to leave my office. I can get all my prints while still in my pjs. :) I love this life! :)


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12/8/2005 7:18:57 PM

 
Melissa Farnsworth
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/5/2005
  I really don't want this thread to end at all. Debby and everyone here has helped so much. I really think it is silly that people are bickering over the internet. People should grow up and act their age.

HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYONE.


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12/9/2005 4:47:47 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
 
 
 
Mellissa,
Happy Friday to you too!!
Well, I have talked to Liza, and Laura about this and the feeling is a bit devided, about shutting the thread down.
But you know what- there will always be another one on Studio Photography and the business of, because of all you new and excited joiners!
So why not keep it here- can you ALL ignore those who are unhappy? And welcome those who kidly want to have some fun?
well , then- enough said!
I NEED your HELP!!
I have been here at this computer ALL day-yes ALL DAY - catching up on some editing and trying to catch up to all of you with this card stuff.
I have had wonderful inspiration here, Liza, Laura,Cindy's(even though you said it was someone elses, you made it yours as I have done as well)
Alisha,Michelle and Mellissa,oh I hate to for get anyone, but I am sure I have. there some great baby ones going for a while _ I was watching but I have forgotten all the names.
Well here are a few of theh ones I worked on-Please give me your Opinion.
And let me know what I should change_ I am not satisfiyed with all for them.
So please help.


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12/9/2005 4:38:45 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Ok , I know they are simple- but I had to start some where,lol,lol
the choochoo one should have what they are thankful for in the year.
new home toys etc, or just the Families names.

Thank you Liza and Laura for your countless hours of helping me.


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12/9/2005 4:48:43 PM

 
Tom Sheridan
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/22/2004
  Hello all, I was away for a week and seem to have missed a bunch of activity. I have found the information on Betterphoto and this thread to be very helpful as well as other forums and groups available. One of the great thing about having photography as a hobby is that so many people like to share their knowledge and experience with others. Now with the proliferation of internet connectivity the camera clubs of the past are thousands large here any elsewhere. The good thing is that there are thousands of helpful experts out there, the bad thing is that there are thousands of helpful experts who may clash or disagree.
That said, there are 2 things about the internet that I learned when I started using it about 20 years ago and find is more true now.

1. There is a lot of good information and there is a lot of bad information on it. Always consider what you read someone's opinion unless it is clearly fact (citations help). For someone looking for help with anything, a technology, photography, how to rise children...recognize that what you are reading is opinion. In the case of this thread I think there are some excellent contributors with great advice and opinions but that doesn't mean I am always in 100% agreement, especially as this is an artform. So if you don't agree with what someone says it doesn't mean they are wrong any more than it means you are right. There are always many ways to do something or teach something and no method works for everyone.

#2. "Flame wars" almost always start because of a misunderstanding. If you read the countless postings here you will find almost zero personal attacks except for a few that are in response to perceived attacks. This form of communication blocks the majority of the ways we communicate. Studies show that a person's tone, volume, facial expressions, and body language communicate much more than the words they use. Written communications block almost all of that so it is natural for misunderstandings to occur. The problem with threads such as this one is that there is such a volume of communication there is much more chance of a flame to catch on. So, I hope everyone who gets something out of this discussion and those who contribute their helpful advice continue to do so. If someone is truly upset about something another person types then by all means contact them via email or stop "talking" to them on the thread. The worst thing to do is to fan the flame as it only blocks the discussion.

Sorry if I am sounding like a teacher but I have seen this many times before and although this is very mild by what goes on elsewhere it is still the wrong way for the discussion to go.

Also, as Laura states the discussion continues on its own regardless of any one person's actions. So "quit" if you aren't getting anything out of it but please think twice about posting a negative comment. That will only help yourself in getting something off of your chest. This thread is at its best when posts are all about helping someone else.


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12/9/2005 4:56:40 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Looking good, Debby! Great job!

Debby and Tom, you're right, we've been doing well on here, there's no reason to dissolve the thread (but perhaps start ANOTHER new one??!!) I got my feelings off my chest and admitedly, I was tired, cranky and not in the mood to put up with anyone's BS when I posted last night, so it was rather un-edited and I apologize for fanning any flames. I normally keep my mouth shut, but...

ANYWAY! So, as I said to several of you, it was going to be near impossible for me to stay away, so here I am! LOL! Didn't take me long, did it?! Now, I'm off to edit proofs from today's maternity session and make another card. See you all soon! :)


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12/9/2005 6:23:38 PM

 
Liza M. Franco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/26/2004
  I'm staying too. I was tempted to give up on the thread because negativity had nothing to do with why we all come back to this thread day after day. The thing is, I feel that there was a core group of us from the beginning who have shared so much and now we have so many new folks hanging out on here with us and I kind of feel like we need to stick around and help everyone else as we have all been helping each other. There is a lot of knowledge and wisdom floating around on here and this has benefited all of us greatly. I'm ready to get back to the fun stuff.

Debby, I am so proud of you, you have been a busy bee today. Isn't Photoshop fun? I want a tree like the one you have on the bottom card. I used to have clip art like that on a computer a long time ago. I haven't found much clip art for decorating my cards this year. So I thought I'd share this idea with everyone. I created a bunch of new cards but just wanted some kind of small decoration to go on them. So I started taking pictures of actual items like ornaments, teddy bears, snowmen, nutcracker soldier guys and then remove everything around them and turned them into my own clip art. Tomorrow's goal is to go look like a real nutcase and take macro pictures of an awesome holly tree in the McDonald's parking lot. Thankfully my 20 year old son is away at college and won't have to face the embarassment:)

Seriously though, I have really enjoyed seeing everyone's cards and announcements. Everyone has a different style and sometimes it is just nice to have new inspiration.

Brenda, I'm right there with you about Mpix. They are great!!! I'm waiting for an order right now and am so anxious to see the prints. I get so excited when the Mpix boxes arrive.

Have a good night everyone.


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12/9/2005 7:06:23 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  OK GUYS LETS GET RID OF ALL THE JUNK -
AND HAVE A NEW START!!
THREAD #9:
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/QnAdetail.asp?threadID=21098

LETS REMEMBER WE ARE ALL WORKING OUR TAILS OFF AND WE GET TIRED-IT'S
***********CHRISTMAS!!!!**************
THAT TIME OF YEAR WHEN ALL GOOD PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE STRECHED THIN, BEING MOM'S AND DAD'S- GOOD FAMILY MEMBERS- AND HARD, HARD WORKERS.
WE HAVE TO BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER- THE BETTER YOU ALL GET , THE MORE TIRED YOU'LL BE NEXT YEAR !!!.LOL.LOL


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12/9/2005 8:50:19 PM

 
Tina Edwards
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/12/2005
  checking in I know it is late but wanted this in my threads list to read later


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3/11/2006 10:58:09 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  Good Morning, just moving this thread for someone.

As we discussed, this is mostlikly the thread you are looking for -there are 21 parts to this thread, but I belive this one or back towards number 1 will be where your answers are.

email me with a number if you need more or have questions, I have more time in the car right now,lol.
But am more then willing to help ya out,
Have a great day,
Debby


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6/6/2006 8:01:41 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  OK Nat.W,
I think this may help, let me know if you need more.
have a great day,
Debby

there are 23 of these threads.


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