 Collette Photography |
Nikon D70 or D2X? Hey, I have a quick question, I have right now a Nikon N80 wich is a film SLR, but I want to get a digital SLR, so Im trying to decide between the Nikon D70 and the Nikon D2X, I know that the D2X has more megapixles etc. but since its going to be my first digital SLR Im afraid that if I go top of the line that I may overwhelm myself with it. So any suggestions on this would be great, thanks!
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Sharon Day |
I'd go straight to the top of the line if I could afford it. If you have really deep pockets you could get the D70 to learn on knowing you'll want the D2x within a few months and it never hurts to have an extra camera body. If you understand owner's manuals ok then you won't have any trouble learning the camera plus there is probably a Yahoo group you could join that would be able to help you with questions you can't find the answer to in the owner's manual. Also, many of the members here at BP that have the D2x would probably be glad to help you out if you needed help.
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Collette Photography |
Thanks for the response Sharon, I still have to keep aving but I'm hoping to get one soon!
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Sharon Day |
Colette, I forgot to mention Nikon will be releasing the D200 soon. It's looking to be a really nice camera. Here's a review on it. B&H has it advertised for about $1699.95 although they don't have it in stock yet. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/
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Debby A. Tabb |
Actually, I was in Calumet in Escondido, Ca (that way if you have one near you ,you can bring it up to them) and because Ruben(the man from BP, I am training photographer for is using Cannon 20 D-I thought about trading in my D70-that I am totally happy with. It would just be easier training with the same equiptment. anyway: a intresting piece of info. they did a in house test of 4 cameras: the Newest Nikon D2x, the Nikon D-70, the Canon Mark II and the Canon Rebel, I was amazed at the results they used a macro lens and took a picture of a watch in raw(i belive) had blown the images up to a 16x20 and the very sharpest results came from...... are ya waiting.....just messin' with ya, the Nikon D70. I was so surprised, because I was talking to Tom there about changing over from Nikon to Canon(i do love canon) because of Rubens Trainees- so they shared this with me-on paper-in my face-I am sooooo glad I opened my mouth about my intentions-My original resurch on the D70 -still good today! actually better info. thought I would share this with you -thier words.." the D70 is one of the best on the market and no doubt at it's price range." and me personally, I would rather spend 1000.00 vs 4000.00 for a repalcement , due to acident,any day. Now the Nikon D200 has finally hit the streets and they were just waiting to get thier paws on it-I belive it is in the 1,500.00-2,000.00 range.
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Sharon Day |
Wow Debby, that's great news for D70 owners. As much as I'd love to have a D2x if I had that much money to spend I'd rather get something less expensive and spend the rest on really good lenses. I've read the 18-70mm DX lens is supposed to be a good lens, but I have to say I don't love that lens. I'm wanting to replace it. I'm thinking of a 24mm prime for scenics.
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Debby A. Tabb |
Ahhh Sharon, A women after my own heart!!!lol,lol all Greg ever heres from me any more is -"I need a great lens by the time they release that Panda cub to the public!!!" I have a 300mm and Have got some really nice shots of her big brother, but when that little squirt hits the viewing habitat-I want a GREAT SHOT!!
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Sharon Day |
I hear you, Debby! A good lens is everything! The main reason I think I will likely purchase the 24mm prime is because I can't afford the Nikon 17-35 f/2.8. I really like a little zoom when shooting scenery, but that lens is a bit over my budget. If I didn't even have to consider what equipment costs I'd get the Nikon 200-400mm f/4 for your panda shot! Oh well, you know what they say about wishes...
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Collette Photography |
Hey, Thanks so much Sharon and Debby, for all of the info, its greatly apprectiated! I went on the other night to the link that you provided to look at the new D200, "WOW"!!! It looks like the perfect middle of the road between the D70 and the D2X!!! Thanks so much for the info, I had no idea that they were evn comming out with another one!! Debby, let me know if you find out anything about the D200 verses the D70, any more info regarding the diff. would be great!!! Also, I have two lenses (a nikon AF Nikkor 28-80mm, and a Tamron AF 70-300mm w/ macro) for my Nikon N80 that I have now, I know that they will transfer over to the new Nikon DSLR, but what I wanted to know is if I should get any other lens with it since it is digital or will the ones I have suffice for now? Oh, and I do mostly portraiture work, but I do a lot of animal, and macro work as well!! Thanks again for being so very helpfull, I greatly apprectiate it, Im so new to digital that I find myself at a loss sometimes when it comes to knowing specifics and what it best in what situation!! -Collette-
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Terry R. Hatfield |
I Sure Would Like To Know How That Test Of The Cameras Were Performed? I Never Get Involved In The Canon Nikon Thing They Are Both Good Reliable Cameras With Great Lenses And Not So Great Lenses:-) Im Trying To Think Of A Motive For Calumet To Say Something Like That Or For That Matter To Even Conduct A Test Like That? The First Thing That Comes To Mind (They Are Overstocked On D70's}? I Have A D70 I Know Its Limitations,I Dont Have Any Of The Other Cameras Though, So I Couldnt Conduct My Own Test!I Do Know That A 16x20 Image Is Very Big!To Ask That From A 6mp Camera Is Asking Alot,The D70 And The Rebel Is In A Much Different Class Than The Mark II And The D2X,I Would Futher Have To Conclude That The Results Has No Merit.It Would Be Intresting To Know Other Photographers Thoughts Too.
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Debby A. Tabb |
They did the test to better serve thier cosomer with correct info. Calumet does not give there employees a commision or sales qouta. and they pride themsleves on giving quality service and info. so , they say... they kept having some contrary info. so they did a in house test. didn't get there yeasterday-will today. and will talk to John ( the one who dod these tests and relay your question again) I do hope this helps_ as I always say though- camera choice is deffinatly a personal issue there is NO right or wrong.
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Debby A. Tabb |
also, I do have a Cannon 20D at my daily dispossal and truely have noticed some big differentces.
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- Bonnie C. Lackey Contact Bonnie C. Lackey Bonnie C. Lackey's Gallery |
Hmmm, I have both the D70 and the D2X. I love my D70 but now that I'm learning more about my D2X, I am ready to sell my soul to Nikon. I kiss my beautiful D2X every night before I go to bed and whisper sweet nothings into it's battery. First thing every morning, I pat it's lovely little head before the two of us traipse off to walk the dog. Oh, it's a wonderful camera! On replacement cost: don't you folks have your equipment on your homeowners policy? I tripped and smashed my first D70 against a bedpost (no snickers, please) and got a check for full replacement cost within days. Insurance doesn't cost very much...
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Collette Photography |
thanks again for all of the input here!! I think I am starting to lean towards the new D200, that seems to be the perfect go between from the D70 and D2x(which I dont think I can afford just yet!)!! Another question, I have a friend who is new to photography, and is getting her first DSLR for a college class that she is going to take, so she wanted to know what I recomended as a good camera, but I only know Nikon, which I told her about, but does anyone else have any suggestions on a good starter DSLR? Thanks a bunch!! -Collette-
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Terry R. Hatfield |
Did We Forget About This Thread Debby!! Have You Got Anymore Info From Your Friend John?
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John G. Clifford Jr |
I think that, for most people and most subjects, the output from the D200 would be indistinguishable from the D2x. I'd take either, probably buy the D200 unless I won the Lotto, then it'd be the D2x and all the lenses I could carry! I do believe you'll see a qualitative difference between the D70 and either of the other two Nikons. The D70 is a good camera but it is no longer top of the heap. I agree with the others... get the best lenses you can. A good lens on a D70 will make better pictures than a poor lens on a D2x.
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Debby A. Tabb |
hey guys, I haven't gotten any email notices on this thread till now,HUMMM. I did go to calumet an ddid speake to John- they don't have their demo in as of before thanksgiving. he had said any week now. and yes he does plan on doing the same test and adding it to the collection- I told him about this thread-I will remind him about it when I see him -maybe next week.
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Terry R. Hatfield |
Your Ducking The Question Debby!You Wrote; They did the test to better serve thier cosomer with correct info.
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Debby A. Tabb |
excuse me-I don't belive I have to answer to anyone! and I was addressing a possible test encluding the newest Nikon D200-I get a LOT of emails from BP members and someone asked me about this-I had forgot(hieght of christmas for my company and the others I help)tonight I just glanced at my email and realized I had not been reciving emials on this thread. CALL THEM if you would like- Calumet, Escondido, CA. all I know is what the employees there ,including John who did the test, told me and I shared that info accuratly. AGAIN this is what I wrote and WILL repost as soon as I can get more info from him and as far as my spelling ,I receive an danswer a large number of posts and emails a day,ask anyone on the Studio Photography thread-alog with business transmissions, sooo this is what we get.: Actually, I was in Calumet in Escondido, Ca (that way if you have one near you ,you can bring it up to them) and because Ruben(the man from BP, I am training photographer for is using Cannon 20 D-I thought about trading in my D70-that I am totally happy with. It would just be easier training with the same equiptment. anyway: a intresting piece of info. they did a in house test of 4 cameras: the Newest Nikon D2x, the Nikon D-70, the Canon Mark II and the Canon Rebel, I was amazed at the results they used a macro lens and took a picture of a watch in raw(i belive) had blown the images up to a 16x20 and the very sharpest results came from...... are ya waiting.....just messin' with ya, the Nikon D70. I was so surprised, because I was talking to Tom there about changing over from Nikon to Canon(i do love canon) because of Rubens Trainees- so they shared this with me-on paper-in my face-I am sooooo glad I opened my mouth about my intentions-My original resurch on the D70 -still good today! actually better info. thought I would share this with you -thier words.." the D70 is one of the best on the market and no doubt at it's price range." and me personally, I would rather spend 1000.00 vs 4000.00 for a repalcement , due to acident,any day. Now the Nikon D200 has finally hit the streets and they were just waiting to get thier paws on it-I belive it is in the 1,500.00-2,000.00 range. I am on my way to Calumet now will post back if anything has changed.
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Collette Photography |
Thanks everyone for your responses, Im glad this thread started back up, cause I finnally got the money together for a Digital SLR, and I think I want to go with the Nikon D200, but am still gathering info. so all the info given here is greatly aprectiated. I dont have the finds now to get the D2x, so it comes down to either the D70 or D200, So Debby I will be looking forward to you post the results and info that you found out while in Calumet!! Also, does anyone know the exact date that they are releasing the D200 to the public to buy? I know they said the end of Dec. but not the exact date. Im so thrilled that I will at least be able to have whatever one I get for my first wedding that Im photographing!! Thanks again for all of the input! -Collette-
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Collette Photography |
Hey Debby, just wondered what you found out when you were in Calumet? Anything new? -Collette-
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Debby A. Tabb |
Collette, I have been in bed not feeling to well today- but I just got your post notice, and I will try to get there tommorrow. And see if they have gotten it in as of yet- they were thinking mid-dec. it is very,very hard hard to wait when you have that special camera money-burning a hole in your pocket,just waiting to go towards that NEW TOY, huh? I'm not helping am I ,lol,lol. I just got my dream lights and I could hardly wait till the boxes arrived. I wish you so much fun!! I will post tommorrow, if I can't go there, I will call.
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Collette Photography |
Hey Debby, Im sorry your not feeling well, dont worry about rushing espesially since you arent feeling well. I do hope you feel better soon! And yeah, its killing me having to wait! I am chomping at the bit!!!!! So whenever you find anything out let me know, I will try and wait patiently!!!! -Collette-
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- Bonnie C. Lackey Contact Bonnie C. Lackey Bonnie C. Lackey's Gallery |
The reason that Debby can't post any test results from Calumet is that they don't do "testing" as such. They do exactly what we do - shoot a lot of pictures but official testing is a whole different story. So to say that the D70 has better results than the D2X based on a Calumet store employee testing is like saying vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate based on testing by the employees at your local ice cream shop. Perhaps it is better to have factual material to back up claims before becoming part of internet disinformation. BTW, I had dinner tonight with a Calumet Corporate employee who investigated the testing claims when I copied parts of the above forum and sent them to him last week.
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Debby A. Tabb |
Bonnie, With all due respect, I don't post on here things that are not fact. I teach and do not just pass along mis-information. All I have stated is what I SAW - WITH MY OWN EYES. They did the test for their information , due to Question asked within the store.They have not received the D200 as of yeasterday(John , wasn't there this is what another sales person told me) But, I do have to go back to that part of town for some prints later this week to beginning of next.(keep in mind it is Christmas and I am very busy, as I am sure you all are) As far as the cameras go - I am just stating what I saw- to each his own when it comes to taste and needs. I love Canon but I shoot Nikon. I listed the store I suggest you guys can call them if needing or wanting a opinion - they did this to give some better info. I respect that! I am and have been a Proffessional long enough to Know what I saw. I posted what I saw in hopes that those looking for cameras may get some help and you can go to Calumets and ask if they have a test Cameras available in your area. these days, it's a LOT of money to put out-you want as much info . as you can get. and I do hope this helps.
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- Bonnie C. Lackey Contact Bonnie C. Lackey Bonnie C. Lackey's Gallery |
For all of the us non-professional people who have to deal with facts and not opinions, a test done without controls and without scientific standards is worthless. So, I'll repeat in simple laymen terms, to suggest that the D2X, Nikon's flagship camera, is bested by the Nikon D70 based on a non-scientific test is irresponsible and to repeat that to someone looking for information is also irresponsible. To say that in your opinion the Nikon D70 is a camera well worth considering because of your personal experience with it is far more acceptable and is a statement that I would heartedly agree with because I happen to own both models.
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Terry R. Hatfield |
This Forum Is Based On Honest Answers, Misleading People To Think They Can Get A 16x20 Print From A D70 Camera That Is BETTER Than A Mark II Canon Or A D2X Nikon Is Ludicrous! I Too Am A Non-Professional Photographer Debby! But Have The Knowledge To Know That What Your Saying Isn't True! Quote,(All I have stated is what I SAW - WITH MY OWN EYES.)Unquote And What Exactly Did You See In That Print That Was Lacking In The Others? Now That We Know That Calumet Doesnt Do Any Official Testing At All My Original Post Of This Test Having No Merit Stands! I Have No Idea What You Based Your Conclusion On That The D70 Made A Better Image? Maybe Because You Own One?,Well I Own One Too And As I Said It Cant Match The Quality That You Can Obtain From The MarkII Or The D2X,For That Matter My D1X Will Out Perform The D70,Its All Together A Different Class Of Camera,Thus The Huge Price Difference.Misleading Info Is Never A Good Thing,Let The Experts Do The Testing...
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